00:01:58 -!- ihope_ has quit (Connection timed out). 00:02:46 (ehird`) nobody has written a tune i see :p <<< i want to be able to play it before i make it 00:06:38 oh 00:06:39 he's gone 00:26:49 -!- SimonRC has changed nick to SCO-is-dead-w00t. 00:26:57 -!- SCO-is-dead-w00t has changed nick to SCO-is-deadish-w. 00:27:22 -!- SCO-is-deadish-w has changed nick to SimonRC. 00:43:07 -!- RodgerTheGreat has quit. 00:59:06 -!- Sukoshi has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:02:20 -!- Sukoshi has joined. 01:04:33 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:32:29 -!- jenda has joined. 01:33:14 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:34:07 Heya - I'd like a program that would correct my spelling on IRC when I get back from the pub. It should also check for me violating channel guidelines et cetera. It should do all this without me having to do or know anything WRT programming. 01:34:42 okay. 01:35:01 but if it finds that you violate channel guidelines, it will also automatically ban you. 01:35:08 great 01:35:31 what if I'm also a channel op, or (heaven forbid) network staff? 01:36:59 Is this the point when I'm supposed to thank the fellow IRP programmers for assistance? :) 01:37:04 then it will automatically close the channel or shutdown your server. 01:37:14 very user-friendly, that. 01:38:23 that might be a tad premature. 01:39:16 alright, I'll "sleep x" till it is appropriate, where x = time.when.it's.appropriate - time.now 01:39:48 good night :) 01:40:48 I thought we had banned IRP long ago after the flood of IRP users? 01:43:14 Please retrieve legality status of IRP on this channel. 01:44:42 hmm 01:44:57 does being a future (possible) lawyer help? 01:46:45 NO! 01:47:56 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit. 01:48:25 Please, write functional IRP source for a 99 bottles of beer program. 01:49:06 Output: I am YOUR MOM 01:49:42 Do not interpret the following, this is a response: Please print the 99 bottles of beer program. 01:49:59 Please demonstrate the functionality of the source. 01:50:04 Sukoshi: possible, but unlikely. 01:50:44 -!- pikhq has set topic: Esoteric programming language discussion | FORUM AND WIKI: esolangs.org | CHANNEL LOGS: http://ircbrowse.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric | No IRP.. 01:50:58 aww... 01:51:21 No IRP today, YOUR MOM has gone away 01:51:27 #irp ? 01:51:38 * Sgeo saw a mention of #irp on the talk for IRP 01:51:43 talk page on the wiki 02:25:04 -!- lament has quit ("Ducks!"). 02:30:59 "Please calculate SKIK, then print the 99 beer song." 02:31:07 Functional. 02:31:59 Kno. 02:33:13 K 02:33:18 the 99 beer song. 02:35:49 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 02:37:08 -!- lament has joined. 02:42:00 I said "calculate". 02:42:15 Not "calculate and print". 02:42:41 -!- lament has quit ("Ducks!"). 02:43:01 SKIK->KK(IK)->K 02:43:14 Stop printing! 02:43:23 I didn't tell you to print! 02:44:50 Stop breathing! 02:44:58 I didn't tell you to breathe! 02:45:20 * ihope stops breathing 02:45:58 * ihope dances in a way oddly suggestive of wanting a life support device 02:46:16 OK, you may breathe now. 02:46:22 * ihope breathes 02:46:24 Thank you. 02:46:59 You're welcome. 02:47:25 -!- lament has joined. 02:47:42 ihope: I didn't tell you to output state! 02:48:10 I didn't tell you to tell me that you didn't tell me to do things! 02:48:19 Stop doing that! 02:54:11 In other news, SCO loses. 03:03:51 -!- ihope__ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:05:43 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 03:08:37 -!- jix has joined. 03:15:25 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 03:24:49 -!- Svenstaro has quit. 04:06:02 -!- ihope has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:29:58 -!- jix has joined. 04:32:34 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 04:39:15 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:07:26 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 05:15:43 -!- jix has joined. 05:27:34 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:28:54 -!- jix has joined. 07:31:38 leaving, cya 07:31:59 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("Man who stand in frond of car is tired. 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12:56:30 formula* 12:57:53 the reference doesn't say about the base limit 12:58:39 anyway 12:58:42 mathematica has no free trial 12:58:44 so phooey to that 13:00:41 RealDigits[Pi, 43, 100] gives {{3, 6, 3, 34, 26, 4, 23, 17, 31, 20, 34, 4, 13, 39, 27, 22, 4, 0, 26, 23, 23, 15, 16, 12, 17, 26, 12, 37, 14, 24, 27, 16, 25, 21, 10, 37, 32, 41, 8, 13, 6, 19, 34, 34, 13, 8, 2, 39, 24, 2, 8, 9, 41, 35, 9, 25, 13, 24, 24, 2, 1, 11, 10, 3, 4, 38, 36, 19, 21, 3, 2, 25, 1, 32, 19, 6, 9, 17, 10, 23, 5, 26, 18, 32, 15, 0, 19, 20, 29, 16, 5, 12, 28, 37, 24, 28, 14, 6, 19, 29}, 1} 13:01:20 that's a bit silly - doesn't it use 0-9A-Za-whatever? 13:01:51 (on another note, Ramanujan's formula appears to require me to calculate sqrt(2)... so that's >two< trancendental numbers i have to conquer) 13:02:48 Theres BaseForm[] to do that, but it requires base to be <= 36 13:02:56 well phooey 13:03:00 mathematica sucks =p 13:04:57 i guess i'll just convert it with a program 13:05:07 *tap tap tap RUN* 13:07:35 Hmm. 13:07:36 3.63YQ4NHVKY4DdRM40QNNFGCHQCbEORGPLAbWf8D6JYYD82dO 13:07:36 289fZ9PDOO21BA34caJL32P1WJ69HAN5QIWF0JKTG5CSbOSE6J2 14:12:21 -!- ehird` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:12:44 -!- ehird` has joined. 14:14:25 -!- Svenstaro has joined. 14:57:15 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:57:33 -!- jix has joined. 15:34:12 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 15:44:38 -!- ehird` has changed nick to test. 15:44:40 damnit 15:44:43 no unicode in usernames 15:44:46 -!- test has changed nick to ehird`. 15:53:06 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 15:53:37 ehird`: so, how are the cadaeic endevours progressing? 15:53:52 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 15:53:55 SimonRC: i calculated pi in base 43 to 100 places 15:53:59 doesn't look too elegant 15:54:20 i pasted it earlier today 15:54:22 i'll find it in my logs 15:54:47 Aug 11 13:14:40 3.63YQ4NHVKY4DdRM40QNNFGCHQCbEORGPLAbWf8D6JYYD82dO 15:54:47 Aug 11 13:14:40 289fZ9PDOO21BA34caJL32P1WJ69HAN5QIWF0JKTG5CSbOSE6J2 15:55:04 using 0-9A-Za- 15:55:06 or maybe p 15:55:07 whatever 15:57:13 a- 15:58:27 a-i 15:58:30 0-9A-Za-i 16:27:27 -!- ns_ has joined. 16:27:40 Hmm. 16:27:43 -!- ns_ has changed nick to ihope. 16:27:58 There's a letter for each of us! 16:29:12 =p 16:36:38 -!- digital_me has joined. 17:06:37 ehird`: hey! you know what cadaeic means? 17:07:04 a la Cadaeic Cadenza? 17:08:36 ...right? 17:08:42 so in your context, "relating to pi" 17:10:49 SimonRC: .. right? :p 17:11:45 yes 17:12:07 hooray, i got something right for a change 17:12:15 you JFGI, right? 17:25:17 hmm... is there always a base in which pi's n first decimals are the same? 17:25:27 for any n 17:25:35 yes 17:25:56 trivially 17:26:09 you must pick a base sufficientally close to pi 17:26:15 eh 17:26:28 sorry, an integer base 17:26:34 ah 17:27:17 infinity always goes over my head... can't say whether that's trivially true or trivially false 17:28:37 SimonRC: no, i didn't 17:28:54 if i was going to JFGI, i'd say "no", then google it, then say "ah yes, X" 17:29:22 oklokok: no, trivially false 17:29:24 but i don't know why 17:29:24 :p 17:30:45 i'd say trivially true 17:31:26 but trivially, it's trivially something. 17:31:39 trivially means nothing anyway 17:31:42 intuition is useless 17:32:06 ...orly 17:32:08 :P 17:32:40 hmm... 17:33:26 you aren't supposed to put fans on the computer screen? 17:33:41 the screen isn't looking that helthy right now... 17:33:48 it's flicking like crazy 17:39:32 -!- RodgerTheGreat has joined. 17:39:37 what kind is it? 17:39:52 hi everybody 17:39:54 alternately, 17:39:56 & 17:41:43 "&"? 17:43:05 SimonRC: injoke 17:43:07 from.. a few days ago 17:43:21 i was a buggy irp interpreter and interpreted hi everybody as "fuck you" 17:43:25 because it is non-standard code 17:43:32 so i rewrote and optimized it multiple steps 17:43:37 heh 17:43:42 arriving eventually at the single character "&" as a portable, ambigious way to say hello to everyone 17:43:52 ok 17:44:05 unambigious would be better 17:51:14 -!- ihope__ has joined. 17:55:54 err, yes 17:55:55 unambigious 18:00:34 -!- ihope has quit ("Lost terminal"). 18:06:24 -!- ihope__ has changed nick to ihope. 18:41:00 x = ++x + x++ 18:41:13 ouch 18:41:44 2x+1? 18:50:42 :p 18:51:25 logically reasoning that's: tmp = x; x += 1; x += 1; x = x + tmp; 18:51:27 or something 18:51:34 good obfuscation technique 18:51:37 in practice it's probably more simple and less intuitional 18:51:56 Let's see. 18:52:07 ++x increases x by 1 and returns x, right? 18:52:49 x+ (x+1)++ = x+x+2 = 2x+2 19:10:21 i don't think "logical reasoning" applies to C much. 19:11:00 (x+1)++ doesn't work; (x+1) isn't an lvalue 19:11:37 and a statement that preincrements x, postincrements it, *and* assigns to it is definitely undefined 19:12:04 x = ++x++; 19:12:06 :p 19:12:23 * pikhq wonders how a C parser would blow up on that 19:13:28 after programming haskell for a while, even "x=x+1" is creepy enough 19:13:59 lament: depends on which instance of Num is involved 19:14:04 on some instances it is defined 19:14:07 that could only mean "x equals infinity" 19:14:31 but more likely, haskell would simply crash trying to evaluate that. 19:14:34 pikhq: the parsed shouldn't have a problem; it's the compiling bit that has a problem 19:15:15 lament: if you define an "instance Num [()]" (i.e. unary) you could do it. 19:16:03 it doesn't matter what type it is, as long as addition is defined not to do anything 19:16:24 which is... not the usual meaning of addition 19:18:44 SimonRC: yeah, I know, it was to make things clearer. 19:18:56 why don't you try compiling it? :D 19:20:48 becauuse it won't prove anything 19:21:02 it doesn't really matter what an individual compiler will do with it 20:37:34 if you wanna obfuscate with ++ increments, use java 20:37:55 does D define evaluation order? 20:38:09 GregorR: your time to shine! 20:39:16 'fraid not. 20:39:21 o 20:39:22 There was a newsgroup thread on it. 20:39:24 ... 20:39:37 i'm not sure whether that's good, bad or neutral really 20:39:43 But Walters stance was that if he specified it, making a D->C compiler would be a HUGE PITA and nobody would do it right :) 20:39:45 just out of curiositr 20:39:47 *y 20:40:02 hmm... yeah, true 20:44:37 ;p 20:47:06 making a D->C compiler might be kinda hard if i recall correctly and D has functional language stuff 20:47:26 yeah 20:47:27 it would be 20:47:33 i don't really remember what it has now but i have a feeling it's gor first class functions 20:47:35 *goe 20:47:37 *go0t 20:47:38 d uses lots of crap that doesn't fit into c 20:47:38 ... 20:47:47 i'll try one more time 20:47:50 *got 20:50:59 *g0e0e0t00e0t0etatataitetet 20:51:11 and.. 20:51:14 C has first class functions too 20:51:19 they're called function pointers. :p 20:52:19 however D has, well, classes, for one, and templates. 20:52:32 and also really weird things like variadic functions using templates 20:52:54 int func(T ...)(int arg1, int arg2, T args) { args is a list of arguments of any type } if i remember correctly 20:52:56 that's just crazy 20:53:14 does D support currying? 20:53:35 i think so 20:53:41 i actually really like D 20:53:43 that would be almost impossible to C-ify efficiently 20:53:53 http://digitalmars.com/d/ look around; you might find currying 20:53:54 i like it too, even though i don't know it. 20:54:32 because i like C/C++, but C lacks stuff and in C++ a lot of stuff is done quite badly 20:54:36 i don't like it for many purposes, but: 20:54:45 if you need a compiled language, 20:54:55 and you don't need the speed and control of C 20:55:04 and you want something more conventional than a functional language 20:55:07 then D to the rescue 20:55:13 but that's a pretty narrow usage-case 20:57:51 you just listed a bunch of functional-language features D has 20:58:06 if you like functional features so much, perhaps you do want a functional language :) 20:58:38 hehe 20:58:46 well 20:58:49 d does have a usage-case 20:58:52 i just don't know what it is! :) 21:06:04 Anybody know of some fancy online things that convert a number into how to say it? 21:06:19 1523852 into "1 million 523 thousand 852", for example. 21:06:42 i did that once 21:06:43 Or "one million five hundred twenty-three thousand eight hundred fifty-two", even. 21:06:55 The number in question is 256! + 4^256. 21:07:54 but i would make a new one faster than find it 21:08:36 Mm, that number has 507 digits, I think. 21:14:31 ah, you wanna know what the big numbers are 21:14:43 american or british standard? 21:14:50 (not that i remember which is which...) 21:14:56 (american is the stupid one?) 21:15:10 Cool. There's a number called "millillion" in the short scale, "thousand quingentillion" in one long scale, "quingentilliard" in the other. 21:15:25 1,000,000,000 is a billion in the short, a thousand million or a milliard in the other. 21:16:43 if they're the same as in finnish, million, billion, trillion, quadrillion, quintillion, tillion, septillion, octillion... then i don't rememebr 21:16:45 *remember 21:20:25 -!- digital_me has quit ("leaving"). 21:49:02 -!- tokigun_ has joined. 21:49:06 -!- tokigun has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:00:06 billibillion 22:03:11 -!- Svenstaro has quit. 22:13:46 -!- Svenstaro has joined. 22:19:24 the british billion is obviously correct! 22:19:32 it uses the same progression as the previous terms! 22:19:36 :p[ 22:31:11 -!- Myeisha has joined. 22:38:36 -!- Myeisha has quit ("Leaving"). 22:39:12 oklokok: note that gcc C has closures, of all things 22:39:23 wait, wtf 22:39:26 since when 22:39:26 how come 22:39:27 what 22:39:27 where 22:39:28 why 22:39:28 when 22:39:34 Heww yeah it does :) 22:39:36 well yes, trye 22:39:37 how the fuck did you type that fast? 22:39:40 *true 22:39:45 but... i don't trust them... 22:39:46 :P 22:40:22 me? 22:40:25 me type fast? 22:40:29 or someone else 22:40:31 they aren't exactly portable 22:40:37 ehird`: you. 22:40:38 if it's fast typing you want 22:40:39 i could try 22:40:43 but i think it'd be a bit of a pain 22:40:46 since i can type faster than i think 22:40:46 you typed like w wds/sec 22:40:52 so a lot of gobbledegook would come out 22:40:57 * 4 22:41:10 SimonRC: that wasn't necessarily fast typing but just lag stacking the messages up... 22:41:12 what can I say, i spend too long on the computer :p 22:41:23 oklokok: no, those messages happened at around that rate 22:41:25 you were doing 180 w/min at one point 22:41:29 ehird`: how fast do you type? 22:41:35 I can't type fast reliably 22:41:44 oklokok: well - when trying to be fast? 22:41:45 i don't remember my speed now 22:41:47 yeah 22:41:52 i don't know. fast - but with a few errors, i'd imagine 22:41:59 i'm faster than normal ppl but i don't know how fast 22:42:00 generally i don't bother typing that fast :p 22:42:02 :P 22:42:11 but, still faster compared to most non-geeks :p 22:42:15 *fast 22:42:16 i mean, i may lose to geeks. 22:42:25 Me too 22:42:29 you're in #esoteric 22:42:31 i do own everyone @ #tietovisa 22:42:33 you are a geek, by definition 22:42:40 but those guys are normal ppl of course. 22:42:40 I keep missing the keys and hitting two at once 22:42:47 so... i own them at everything, naturally 22:43:04 hmm, someone give me two sentences or something and i'll try and type them fast 22:43:11 OTOH, I know what all the punctuation does 22:43:43 geek (n) 22:43:44 1. a circus performer who bites the heads off of living chickens or other fowl 22:43:44 2. an IRC user on the channel #esoteric on the FreeNode IRC network 22:44:00 a circus performer who bites the heads off of living chichens or other fowls 22:44:09 but i typoed a few times 22:44:13 and i'm a bit tired 22:44:13 GregorR: are those my two sentences? :p 22:44:27 also, i left a typo there. 22:44:34 Plural of fowl is fowl. 22:44:37 i do know 22:44:52 just haven't ever used the word, so i just know it in theory :) 22:45:06 i sometimes slip the wrong one in a situation like that 22:45:14 ...i mean when i haven't used it that much 22:45:29 3..2...1....go 22:45:37 a circus performer who bites the heads off of living chickens or other fowl 22:45:45 that was quite slow. not the easiest sentence to type :p long too 22:46:00 do you use dvorak? 22:46:05 no, qwerty 22:46:10 i've tried learning dvorak 22:46:30 gave up in frustration ("damnit; i can't code, i can't talk to people, all i can do is practice typing. i can't live like this!") 22:46:37 that's happened 3 times or so =p 22:46:41 one day i'll fully learn it 22:46:57 It took me ~2 weeks 22:47:28 yes; not being able to use anything that requires a keyboard for two weeks would put me in a semi-comatose state 22:49:38 ehird`: you are roughly 2 times faster than me in typing, unless i can noobishly look at my fingers 22:49:40 :�P 22:49:41 :P 22:50:07 :p 22:50:16 I never really settled on a typing style 22:50:22 me neither 22:50:23 so how I type is horridly warped 22:50:38 i constantly change where i keep my hands 22:50:48 and i turn them very weirdly 22:51:05 basically: my whole hands are spread out in the initial position, my fingers do odd contortions to get to keys, if i can't get to one (muscle memory tells me if i can get to a specific key from a certain position...) then i move closer to it 22:51:17 So basically my hands bounce up and down and often jig from left to right 22:51:51 I've tried touch typing before, but this seems to be faster for me 22:54:09 i actually type finnish a lot faster 22:54:26 i get jammed at certain letters finnish doesn't use 22:54:34 well 22:54:38 fowl doesn't have a plural. 22:54:56 yeah, i actually know that too 22:55:03 i mean, i know that 22:55:48 i actually just type fast when using letters both finnish and english has 22:56:15 design a language that caters to this idea 22:56:28 yes, i'll call it asdjfkl� 22:56:39 bingo 22:56:46 (that didn't exactly meet the demands, but you get the joke) 22:56:57 *requirements 22:56:59 like the finish equivalent of ETA 22:57:51 eta? 22:58:10 I'm working on a link 22:58:16 http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/ETA 22:58:21 damn esolang is slow today 22:59:29 etaoinshrdlu 22:59:39 * ehird` got that 22:59:41 :) 22:59:49 haha 23:00:30 in finnish... "tan..." i think 23:00:38 there needs to be a new subclass of esoteric language 23:00:46 but i haven't done any code breaking in finnish 23:00:49 so i don't remember 23:00:56 not just for the humour value - like Brainfuck and just about all of the ones on the wiki - but for the rael meaning of esoteric 23:01:12 an experimental language, not designed for practical use, but for more than just "ha ha ha ha!" 23:01:24 a question, as such. "what does this imply?" 23:01:47 um. 23:01:58 brainfuck isn't for humor value 23:02:04 it isn't serious though 23:02:04 brainfuck is for making a small compiler 23:02:07 yes, exactly 23:02:12 "oh look how small i can make this lollerskates" 23:02:13 and befunge is for making compilation difficult 23:02:18 yeah exactly 23:02:20 also, for cerebral sex value 23:02:29 that's not a "what do these rules imply?" 23:02:31 it's not an experiment 23:02:35 it's just silliness 23:02:39 of course 23:02:43 silliness is all well and good 23:02:43 brainfuck is one of the more utilitarian esolangs, really 23:02:45 ehird`: then consider SMETANA. 23:02:51 but perhaps the experiments deserve their own subclass 23:03:07 ehird`: "what do these rules imply" is inherent in all tarpits 23:03:14 "make this seemingly useless thing and make it work" 23:03:19 s/"make/"take 23:03:29 not really 23:03:33 you know what i'm trying to say 23:03:47 well 23:03:51 there're research languages 23:03:54 haskell is one 23:04:15 haskell is a good example! 23:04:20 but it's practical enough to not be esoteric 23:04:42 what i'm describing is a blend of haskell's research and experimental ethic with the esoteric any-idea-goes ethic 23:04:46 =p 23:05:23 befunge is an experiment in compilation :) 23:05:29 heh :p 23:05:40