< 1182038438 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit a nice day we're having, eh? < 1182038438 0 :EagleBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1182038448 0 :EagleBot!n=EagleBot@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1182038453 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oof. < 1182038464 0 :EagleBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1182038537 0 :EagleBot!n=EagleBot@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1182038579 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let you all play with EagleBot, not that there's much you can do with EagleBot other than make it quit, < 1182038582 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,/./ < 1182038646 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host97-91-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1182038705 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.08.09" < 1182039064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#magic Egobot, work, damn it! < 1182039505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit So there! < 1182039505 0 :EagleBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1182039515 0 :EagleBot!n=EagleBot@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1182041566 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is amazed at the Piranã.
< 1182041580 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, Pirahã. < 1182041590 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Pirahã language is not recursive. They seem to lack to most forms of abstraction, such as numbers, or colours seperate from objects. They have no creation myths, and do not get the idea of storing food for next month. < 1182041595 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/04/16/070416fa_fact_colapinto < 1182041776 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it turing complete? < 1182041784 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or...english complete? < 1182041785 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1182041788 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1182041817 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possibly the world's only remaining "primitive" language < 1182041840 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no numbers... it must be difficult to express quantities... < 1182041895 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't much < 1182041936 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :universal english machine < 1182042240 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's languages that are super-english < 1182042486 0 :ihope!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1182042496 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super-English languages? I dunno--English seems pretty good. < 1182042533 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only because you can only think what your language allows < 1182042536 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not especially much you can't express using the "subject verb preposition noun" stuff. < 1182042568 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can only conceive of the "subject verb preposition noun" stuff < 1182042599 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is a language that can express higher ideas, you wouldn't even be able to describe it in english < 1182042610 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes--the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. < 1182042644 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you think, though, of anything that *might* not be able to be expressed using subject-verb-preposition-noun? < 1182042667 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We even have "that", which turns a verb-preposition-noun into an adjective-like construct. < 1182042694 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because i think in english < 1182042694 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The dog that goes to the store speaks with the clouds." < 1182042728 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you could decouple thought from language... < 1182042731 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mathematicians do a good job of finding weird abstract things. < 1182042791 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The notations that are used in mathematics pretty much denote values, functions, and properties. < 1182042815 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all can still be described with english < 1182042817 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Values can be denoted by nouns, properties by verbs, and functions by preposition-noun. < 1182042837 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean, then, that English can express any mathematical idea? < 1182042848 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm led to believe so. < 1182042866 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any mathematical idea that english speakers can conceive < 1182042926 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you prove that there are useful mathematical ideas that English speakers can't conceive? < 1182042939 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the first step to proving/disproving the existance of super english languages would be to construct the turing machine or lambda calculus of languages < 1182042985 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we know that English isn't it? < 1182042990 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would think that english compared to the english-class-thought-machine would be like C++ compared to the turing machine < 1182043016 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loads of abstraction and useless sugar < 1182043031 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find someone who speaks Japanese or something and ask them if they know of anything that can't be expressed in English at all. < 1182043054 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, what's this language SimonRC was talking about? < 1182043071 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a language from South America, iirc. < 1182043104 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%A3_language < 1182043106 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither the tunes.org logs nor EagleBot's logs seem to display it correctly. < 1182043117 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That page doesn't exist. < 1182043207 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P i r a h a~ < 1182043219 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelt that way ^^ < 1182043229 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1182043231 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:52:25 < SimonRC> http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/04/16/070416fa_fact_colapinto < 1182043292 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1182043597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, he's back! < 1182043621 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? < 1182043637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris Pressey < 1182043663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the wiki < 1182043775 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember who CP is
< 1182043780 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge? < 1182043788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. etc. etc. < 1182043830 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye.ca! < 1182043847 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or .tc even < 1182043858 0 :erider!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1182043861 0 :erider_!n=erider@unaffiliated/erider JOIN :#esoteric < 1182043921 0 :erider_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :erider < 1182044029 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's wonderful! < 1182044222 0 :erider!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I don't sleep because sleep is the cousin of death!" < 1182044877 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1182045138 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ?? < 1182045151 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, pirahã < 1182045158 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, yeah? < 1182046231 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me a moment to realise that was what you were saying was wonderful < 1182046591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: I speak Japanese, and don't know anything that can't be expressed in English. < 1182046613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although *explaining* words which refer to some Japanese legends can take a while) < 1182046696 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear that Japanese has more ordinal numbers than English. < 1182046716 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English needs hacks to express the ordinal number corresponding to one half. < 1182046773 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you mean by "ordinal" is i9n disagreement with Wikipedia. < 1182046809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1182046819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want [[Ordinal numbers (linguistics)]] < 1182046820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1182046842 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1182046842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Japanese has oo ordinal numbers. < 1182046875 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English has an infinite number of them too, doesn't it? < 1182046875 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One postfixes "ban", IIRC, to make it an ordinal number. < 1182046890 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hiragana? < 1182046895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Technically* yes, but it's less-defined. < 1182046899 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever heard of -th? :) < 1182046921 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: give me the one-twelfthth element of this list, will you? < 1182046921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1182046937 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now tell me how to pronounce that. :-) < 1182046973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Japanese: 0.083?? < 1182046995 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And damn, I wish this terminal grokked Unicode. < 1182046997 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I speak French, and I will not pronounce `twelfthth'. < 1182046999 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're using different character encodings. < 1182047011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, I wish the *font* I have grokked Unicode. < 1182047016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: UTF-8? < 1182047021 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8. < 1182047028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1182047032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame Konsole. < 1182047034 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless those question marks are actually question marks. < 1182047038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can be no 1/12th element, that is meaningless < 1182047042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not *meant* to be. < 1182047050 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what if it's a continuous list? < 1182047063 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it all "ban" in hiragana? < 1182047067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1182047085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I *might* be wrong on the specific word, though) < 1182047091 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: does that actually work in japanese? < 1182047158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway neither has got anything on Latin, which has four different classes of number < 1182047158 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I dunno. < 1182047166 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know, pikhq? < 1182047195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* it works, but I can't be sure, since it's not my native language. < 1182047222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, since school's out, I can't ask the people I know who *do* speak it either fluently or natively. < 1182047257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cardinal, ordinal, numbers like "once, twice" but generally, and "n each" numbers. Although of course they are easily expressed in English, just not with endings. < 1182047308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1182047338 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1182047348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1182047403 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"n each" numbers? < 1182047473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that, they're plural adjectives < 1182047496 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do they work? < 1182047556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to remember a suitable noun to use them with < 1182047689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bini oculi" would mean "two eyes each", i think < 1182047775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Homines binos oculos habent" = "Humans have two eyes each" < 1182048081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally that form is where "binary" comes from < 1182048174 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1182048750 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language is fucking twisted! http://www.stud.uni-hamburg.de/users/goldi/aee/beginner/beginner_toc.html < 1182048768 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the first few chapters, you thing is just like Pascal. < 1182048784 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, the introduce pointers and structs, and it suddenly turns out to be like C < 1182048807 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the guy adds unification, and it looks like C meets Prolog < 1182048827 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it tries to be LISP, by addid quoted expressions and Eval() < 1182048836 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what next? Erlang? < 1182048842 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*adding < 1182048872 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epigram! < 1182048910 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1182048924 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ytpesystem tries to pretend it isn;t that of B] < 1182048929 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, B < 1182050132 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no, it;s turning into C++ < 1182050349 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish < 1182050446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hurls
< 1182050503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's PascalFortranCPrologLispC++Assembly. < 1182050575 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1182050581 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not C, B < 1182050589 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yummy < 1182050595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right. .. < 1182050603 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the resulting mess is rather C++-like < 1182050610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to have structs as an intrinsic. < 1182050618 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does < 1182050622 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B is practically the same as C < 1182050623 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're called objects < 1182050627 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for types < 1182050642 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so E should really be called B++ < 1182050725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actively encourages pointer<->integer. < 1182050739 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1182050741 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like B < 1182050757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like K&R C. < 1182050767 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Data-hiding is accomplished in E at the module level. This means, effectively, that it is wise to define classes in separate modules (or at least only closely related classes together in a module), taking care to EXPORT only the definitions that you need to." < 1182050773 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least he got *something* right < 1182050776 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, of course, B with a better typesystem. < 1182050919 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason popular langauges conflate the type-definition mechanism and the information-hiding mechanism, leading to crap like C++'s friend classes. < 1182050957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl doesn't have that problem. < 1182050960 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also hide the elegance of interface inheritance under the bizzarities of implementatio inheritance < 1182050970 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no information-hiding? < 1182050980 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that's because object-orientation is provided by external packages, and not a language intrinsic. < 1182050981 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that everything is a string in Tcl < 1182050997 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor is similar < 1182051001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, everything is a thing. < 1182051007 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. OO is in the libraries < 1182051012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be either a string, a list, or a number. . . < 1182051024 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck does that work? < 1182051035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cleverness. < 1182051069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, magic in the bytecode compiler/interpreter. < 1182051081 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1182051085 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what types are there? < 1182051324 0 :jix__!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-039-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1182051813 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1182052864 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"nonogramming" < 1182053201 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1182053621 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1182056363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1182058188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: According to Tcl code? < 1182058201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scalar and vector. < 1182058250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. < 1182058252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scalar and map. < 1182058401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, fine. . . So scalar variables can represent strings, lists, longs, or floats. . . The tclvar_t struct stores one of them, and converts when needed. < 1182059302 0 :gimel!n=ephilipp@nat7.academ.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1182059629 0 :gimel!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1182062744 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=ieatyou@222-154-150-215.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1182067199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1182067200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1182073941 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-40.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1182075227 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1182075793 0 :Sukoshi!n=Sukoshi@user-11fae58.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1182077884 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting off now, gnight < 1182077904 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAA A AAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA" < 1182081322 0 :jix__!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-039-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1182084545 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1182085898 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host97-91-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1182086122 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1182087866 0 :c|p!n=wil@unaffiliated/cp/x-000001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1182088583 0 :erider!n=erider@unaffiliated/erider JOIN :#esoteric < 1182088587 0 :erider!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning < 1182089088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mörning < 1182089098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mourning < 1182089172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on tuesday, i have to go to another camp :) < 1182089187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the holidayz... < 1182089188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1182090500 0 :boily!n=boily@bas2-quebec14-1167903391.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1182092262 0 :erider!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy father's day! < 1182093048 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bonne fête des pères!" < 1182094281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dinner" < 1182094527 0 :jix__!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-043-085.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1182095058 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1182097455 0 :dak!n=dak@host98-82-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1182098452 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1182100651 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.08.09" < 1182101025 0 :boily!n=boily@bas2-quebec14-1167903391.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1182102206 0 :dak!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :RedDak < 1182102341 0 :c|p`!n=wil@c-68-36-94-174.hsd1.nj.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1182102350 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy, folks < 1182102390 0 :c|p!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1182102416 0 :c|p`!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :c|p < 1182102526 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"WeeChat 0.2.5" < 1182102985 0 :c|p!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1182102993 0 :c|p!n=wil@unaffiliated/cp/x-000001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1182103021 0 :boily!n=boily@bas2-quebec14-1167903391.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1182104009 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1182104020 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host98-82-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1182104409 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1182104506 0 :RedDak!n=dak@host98-82-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1182104661 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday, I wrote an underload interpreter. < 1182104675 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language is warping my mind... < 1182105547 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"WeeChat 0.2.5" < 1182106650 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1182109259 0 :RedDak!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1182110459 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@c-76-27-232-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1182111216 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~~~ < 1182112313 0 :erider!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-] < 1182112485 0 :atrapado!i=openfil@173.Red-81-47-15.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1182113774 0 :c|p!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1182114756 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION *stretches*
< 1182114767 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone knows how to reference footnotes in LaTeX? < 1182115269 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it work to just put a \label in it? < 1182115502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou ^^ < 1182116144 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A word of advice people.... < 1182116167 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are on Usenet, never ever mention the individual "Rob Cypher". < 1182116198 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is like fecking BeetleJuice, except you only have to say his name once. < 1182116215 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned him, and now the group is stuck with him. < 1182116217 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1182116235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an evil version of kibo i take < 1182116242 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1182116277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't been on Usenet for years
< 1182116332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a possibility might be to mention him _everywhere_? < 1182116340 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1182116342 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1182116364 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like saying "If we all rush him at once, he can't shoot all of us". < 1182116377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1182116512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't people have killfiles these days? < 1182116523 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it seems not < 1182116542 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the replies are more of a problem, and the heavy cross-posting < 1182116560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't people have _threaded_ killfiles these days? :) < 1182116653 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there such a thing? < 1182116679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always used trn, the Threaded Read News < 1182116724 0 :c|p!n=wil@unaffiliated/cp/x-000001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1182116767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i heard slrn may have been even better, with its score files < 1182116780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these were Unix terminal applications < 1182116851 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feck... < 1182116859 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can;t figure out how to un-ignore threads < 1182117024 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan i need to access the footnote number < 1182117041 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., some '\*ref' command similar to pageref < 1182117053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: isn't that what \ref does? < 1182117100 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1182117134 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, got it < 1182117149 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to make it visible again first using the لآهثص ةثىØع < 1182117167 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to make it visible again first using the view menu < 1182117198 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oops* < 1182117205 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan well indeed it does < 1182117214 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inherent stupidity increases along with uptime < 1182117230 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, it only allows me to ignore what it thinks of as a whole thread < 1182117236 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: and approaching deadline i guess :) < 1182117265 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true words, it *should* be ready and printed in about 31 hrs (infeasible) < 1182117354 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing is, i spend some time looking in the tug faq and #latex, that i forgot where i needed to crossreference a footnote... < 1182117458 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, off to sleep, no more work can be done right now < 1182117460 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers everyone < 1182117585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: trn allowed you to ignore the replies to a given post although some broken newsreaders did not include the threading information properly < 1182117614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could use regexps to do this automatically based on author, subject, whatever < 1182117640 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although article content was more expensive than headers) < 1182117648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i recall < 1182117923 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1182117950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, trn seems to have stalled about 2001 < 1182117977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully because it was outrun by better competitors. < 1182122161 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is certainly interesting < 1182122171 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may try to make something nontrivial with it < 1182122206 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :math may prove rather tricky unless I do most things in unary.