< 1180483244 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgets about making the compiler optimized for now
< 1180483264 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are any of you "kopaka649" on digg? < 1180483279 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause he is mentioning the Wiki and is at +1 digs ATM < 1180483292 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i'm watching you people do stuff and try to feel like i'm doing something as well... perhaps a little futurama would help -> < 1180483302 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am become digg, waster of time < 1180483352 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what type to make the unlimitedtape
< 1180483354 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long? < 1180483366 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LONGTAPE IS LOOOOOONG < 1180483395 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was kicked from #esoteric [kicked: "No LOLCODE!"]
< 1180483429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i just realized Uberman is like the coolest name ever < 1180483496 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed that it had the literal German meaning: Uber + man, rather than being someone's name, initially < 1180483534 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf.c:11: error: ‘c’ undeclared (first use in this function) < 1180483535 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\"Uberman < 1180483536 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1180483538 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did declare it < 1180483558 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: that's what it is, isn't it? < 1180483561 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1180483562 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1180483608 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: which? < 1180483619 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uber+man < 1180483642 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Hrm? What self-hosting compiler? < 1180483772 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yes < 1180483788 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it turned out be someone's name < 1180483793 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1180483828 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikhq: In your language. < 1180483847 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/pfuck-1.0.tar.bz2 < 1180483864 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make PEBBLE=path-to-pebble < 1180483907 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I am expecting too much of them to think about any compiler stage beyond the fecking parser < 1180483917 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Maybe. < 1180483936 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOK I HAS PARSER! < 1180483957 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, no. < 1180483960 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAS PARSER? < 1180483960 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WUT IZ TEH SIMANTICS? < 1180483963 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARSE! < 1180483967 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lolcode people are retarded get over it < 1180483984 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they are amatures < 1180483989 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extreremyl so < 1180484017 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just shut up about lolcode already < 1180484032 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, ok < 1180484033 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. . . < 1180484061 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good plan < 1180484068 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOO THEY BE TAKING MY LOLCODE < 1180484076 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-S < 1180484093 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/65853
< 1180484095 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too long for a BF compiler! < 1180484098 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. at least it dynamically reallocates the tape < 1180484104 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1180484106 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i borked it < 1180484121 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: You've obviously not seen Gregor's Brainfuck compiler. < 1180484137 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not too long < 1180484140 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/65854
< 1180484141 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1180484167 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now - for lang->bf compiler stage one < 1180484181 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's broken too < 1180484188 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1180484189 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to allocate tape < 1180484192 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1180484195 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed it < 1180484197 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see one place above < 1180484203 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: http://esolangs.org/files/brainfuck/impl/egobf-0.7.1.tar.bz2 Now *this* is a long Brainfuck implementation. < 1180484204 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.textmate.org/65854 < 1180484211 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1180484213 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1180484249 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfzzor..... my hello world doesn't print < 1180484286 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1180484289 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't handle loops!! < 1180484293 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Your tape expansion bit should be inside the compiled code, not in the compiler. < 1180484307 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikhq: Yes, loops will require that < 1180484311 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just -- it'll be every > executed < 1180484314 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be a lot of overhead. < 1180484321 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, stuff like >,[>,]<[.<] will be broken. < 1180484361 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder, if you could tell the os to sigsegv when you overan some memory < 1180484366 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1180484372 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, make it a random int < 1180484389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives up
< 1180484392 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, even better. . . < 1180484395 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( < 1180484402 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the tape be highest in the program's memory, then catch sigsegv and expand the tape then < 1180484421 0 :sekhmet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1180484425 0 :sekhmet!n=pez@adsl-76-204-94-90.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1180484430 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int tmp=*(int *)NULL; < 1180484439 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized i cannot use \1 in the replacement without full fledged eval < 1180484445 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. Instant SIGSEGV. < 1180484459 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikhq: clearly < 1180484475 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1180484489 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you could just *send* SIGSEGV. . . It is, after all, a normal signal. < 1180484508 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you would just fuck malloc's bookeeping data before you went outside of the allowed memory < 1180484512 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that doesn't work < 1180484512 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/65855
< 1180484519 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK - now i just have to do loops < 1180484520 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hard < 1180484533 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering i don't need to do any checking < 1180484536 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just while () { } < 1180484546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what i did do is at http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/ehird.pl < 1180484561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as said, it doesn't handle \1 properly < 1180484609 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1180484616 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/65856
< 1180484624 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expanding-no-checking-infinite-tape-brainfuck-to-c-compiler. < 1180484693 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, let's think how to use the brainfuck tape. < 1180484695 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders
< 1180484731 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders things... "use plain BF integers? or add some type headers?"
< 1180484965 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION commented out debug statement and added a short header comment
< 1180485050 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck-to-c-compiler? < 1180485053 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how exciting. < 1180485090 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it is < 1180485117 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i needed it according to certain specs < 1180485124 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including overflow warnings, infinite tape etc < 1180485429 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1180485855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1180485972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I assumed that it had the literal German meaning: Uber + man, rather than being someone's name, initially <<< 1. actually über in german 2. i don't think a name is worse if it's a name < 1180485996 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to call his system "fucked up". . .
< 1180486016 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that, I believe, is the scientific name for "How the hell is that segfaulting?!?") < 1180486036 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2:45... 6 h till test \o/ < 1180486045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this time not something easy like math < 1180486055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to do like a speech or something < 1180486057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1180486059 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really like pushing it < 1180486071 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will tell you the secret to doing a speech < 1180486076 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite simple... < 1180486080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do < 1180486085 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get very interested in the subject. < 1180486097 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to drive his middle fingers through the drive platters
< 1180486112 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough so that you start monologuing at strangers in pubs about the subject... < 1180486147 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you prepare a presentation by giving the speech and thinking at each point "what slide would make this bit clearer" < 1180486152 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did speeches already... everyone else did 1-2 min, a few 5 min, i did 10... and failed :) apparently my ideas weren't good and it's very important to look at the audience. < 1180486158 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thereby adding diagrams, equations, examples, etc < 1180486172 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, do all of that in 6hrs < 1180486174 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't like the subject you will have problems < 1180486205 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the subject was basically "improving your surroundings" < 1180486206 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fuck*. < 1180486208 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1] 7729 segmentation fault sudo emerge -av glibc < 1180486213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had about a million ideas about it < 1180486247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got the worst grade < 1180486286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit my ideas might not interest most people < 1180486290 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikhq: not today thanks < 1180486293 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i did not once look at the audience < 1180486315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise it was great < 1180486335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, sleep now, i'll have to wake up in 3 hours and make the german essay < 1180486350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i won't, i'll sleep till 10 and fail the course \o/ < 1180486352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1180486354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-----------> < 1180486372 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sleepyness has turned into delerium and slight drowsyness and euphoria < 1180486471 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: good luck < 1180486474 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did you start? < 1180486504 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonight is my 3rd night < 1180486614 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, saturday i started < 1180493696 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1180495026 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1180495712 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h92.229.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1180495819 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1180495820 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1180495820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1180495831 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1180496290 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision) < 1180496292 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1180496292 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1180496292 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1180496322 0 :CakeProphet_!n=CakeProp@h92.229.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1180496812 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1180496952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1180496952 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1180496975 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1180496975 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1180497391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1180497391 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1180497546 0 :oklopol!n=ville@194.251.103.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1180497574 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1180497847 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@122.46.188.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1180497931 0 :Pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-43-34.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1180498872 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1180501438 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1180501732 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1180501872 0 :Pikhq!n=pikhq@c-75-70-43-34.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1180503104 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@c-76-27-232-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1180510412 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't tired at all, suprisingly
< 1180511999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1180512000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1180515386 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1180516314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... i wonder if "import Std ! Graphics ! Line Kthx;" is a good syntax for importing Line :P < 1180516372 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am greatly traumatized now that i've learned that natalie portman has a finite erdos number < 1180516373 0 :aarcane!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, which language ? < 1180516376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need something to tell it the line is ending, because i want import to abide by the same rules as others < 1180516378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk < 1180516379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1180516407 0 :aarcane!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1180516428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Std ! Graphics ! Line as Line; will work fine though < 1180516458 0 :aarcane!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kthx is a good terminator, but you shouldn't terminate with ; unless you want to terminate with ; always. \n is usually a pretty safe terminator < 1180516459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"import" and "as" are just primitive functions <3 < 1180516477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :; terminates if termination is necessary < 1180516503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not want to rely on ws, since i'm simultaneously designing an ide, and it... does things :) < 1180516581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :; terminates the line, but no one tells that to import, so import is left waiting for more submodules to come < 1180516662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, \n will probably be one way to end lines, since i reckon haskell uses both and it's a kinda good language < 1180516676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know how exactly it does that < 1180516681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly easy once i think about it < 1180516731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1180516775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"import Std!Graphich as Public" or something might be a good way to "import *" < 1180516787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cs < 1180518362 0 :aarcane!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :iamchrist < 1180518372 0 :iamchrist!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aarcane < 1180518939 0 :aarcane!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :iamchrist < 1180518989 0 :iamchrist!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aarcane < 1180519350 0 :aarcane!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :not_root < 1180519363 0 :not_root!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :root________ < 1180519387 0 :root________!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aarcane < 1180521491 0 :iamchrist!n=Christ@69.62.232.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1180521572 0 :aarcane!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1180522097 0 :iamchrist!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1180522125 0 :iamchrist!n=Christ@69.62.232.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1180523371 0 :aarcane_!n=Christ@69.62.232.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1180523909 0 :aarcane_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1180524163 0 :ihope!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1180524333 0 :iamchrist!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1180524350 0 :iamchrist!n=Christ@69.62.232.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1180524696 0 :aarcane_!n=Christ@69.62.232.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1180525629 0 :iamchrist!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1180527204 0 :aarcane_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1180527222 0 :aarcane!n=Christ@69.62.232.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1180530675 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-185-216.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1180533748 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1180537010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1180537331 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1180538183 0 :mitsuhiko!n=nblackbi@ubuntu/member/mitsuhiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1180538507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Pikhq wants a death mode for Brainfuck. <<< on it! < 1180539846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, deadfuck is ready < 1180539884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfuck is also a brilliant piece from gorgasm, i recommend you listen to it < 1180540115 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it's not tc, since i can't imagine what you can do with it... and there was an even worse deathmode that was quite similar, but i think it's proven non tc < 1180540192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, normal bitchanger, but you have to allocate each cell with X before you can do anything with it other than move over it < 1180540223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, every time you allocate a cell at index n, you render all other cells divisible by n unallocatable < 1180540239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, all other cells whose index is divisible by n < 1180540342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a nice finite memory bitchanger of n bits with ">{n} @{n} <{n}" < 1180540350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dunno if it's tc < 1180540920 0 :crathman!n=chatzill@mail2.imedica.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1180545937 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] < 1180546444 0 :ihope!n=ihope@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1180546508 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1180547814 0 :mitsuhiko!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-] < 1180547820 0 :mitsuhiko!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1180548747 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-113-244.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1180556577 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1180557114 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, would anyone here know of a good guide for learning x86 assembly? < 1180557223 0 :Pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to learn a new esolang. ;) < 1180559562 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i overslept by 7 hours this morning :( < 1180560237 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mom said she tried to wake me up and i (autonomously) told her i was stopping my sleep experiment < 1180560277 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's good you're still alive. < 1180560295 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'm stopping now < 1180560339 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my body can posses me to speak without my brain involved, i think it's pretty desperate < 1180560579 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't confuse your brain with your consciousness. < 1180560606 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consciousness is useful; however it tends to DRAMATICALLY overestimate its own importance < 1180560626 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that people often think it's all they have < 1180560655 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, if my brain can posses me to speak without _me_ involved < 1180560701 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, don't confuse "you" with your consciousness < 1180560715 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you" comprise much more than that < 1180560802 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the things you do are done unconsciously < 1180560816 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not me doing them < 1180560818 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consciousness is a fairly limited tool < 1180560821 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it is you < 1180560834 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me is my consciousness < 1180560846 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my unconsious is part of my body < 1180560857 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a very strange notion of identity < 1180560923 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean self-identity < 1180560933 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't think your body is part of you? < 1180560976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i feel that way too. < 1180560985 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1180560999 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, perhaps i'm still fucked up right now < 1180561028 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean like bsmntbombdood ? < 1180561814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my body has a mind of its own and isn't me. < 1180561833 0 :red_herring!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1180561868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the idea that your unconscious is you is basically dependent on defining you as the opposite of the outside world. < 1180561909 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you define others as excluding their bodies? < 1180561913 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would assume not < 1180561947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my body _belongs_ to me, but whether it _is_ me is something else entirely. < 1180561967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i see no problem with thinking that way of others. < 1180561971 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, consciousness is the part doing the thinking, so its a bit biased < 1180561985 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, as i said, it tends to overestimate its own importance < 1180562014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that is the same. < 1180562024 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be really bad, but thankfully the rest of the mind just ignores it most of the time < 1180562041 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consciousness is not a very effective system; for one, it's really, really slow < 1180562046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean my experience contains several parts. the outside world, my body, my unconscious and my conscious. < 1180562065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should all except the outside world be considered a unit? < 1180562095 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a unit. it has parts. < 1180562123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why should they be referred to by the word "me"? < 1180562152 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :practical reasons as a result of interaction with other people < 1180562154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all i know the unconscious could be just as large as the outside world, and have parts in common with other people. < 1180562168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the collective unconscious idea < 1180562221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you try to determine which part of that is _me_ then you end up looking at which parts are closest to my consciousness. < 1180562258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the conscious then becomes if not all of me then still the part defining what is me. < 1180562310 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if this is relevant < 1180562322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand you _could_ use the body as the reference point. < 1180562355 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ" < 1180562401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some religions define the soul to be the real center, and distinct again from consciousness. < 1180562447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i am saying is there are several options for defining what "me" is. < 1180562469 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but i think mine is the most pragmatic < 1180562483 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not interested in philosophy or religion < 1180562484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the one that works best for other people than me. < 1180562511 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 'pragmatic' means more or less 'suitable for human interaction' < 1180562546 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :human interaction is overrated < 1180562561 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you hit me, and claim being unconscious at the time, well, YOU still hit me. < 1180562598 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :human interaction is hard to overrate. < 1180562621 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the higher mental functions were designed to accommodate it. < 1180562631 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 'evolved' < 1180562632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i am responsible for it. but then so would i be if you were harmed by some item i own. < 1180562650 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, i'm saying "you hit me" < 1180562658 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would you really dispute that? < 1180562664 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It wasn't me, it was my arm"? < 1180562674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am saying that it is merely a matter of definition of "me" < 1180562743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now say if i faint and fall onto you from a balcony. < 1180562793 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1180562807 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just said "i faint and fall" < 1180562814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case my responsibility would not necessarily be larger than if something else had fallen onto you that i owned. < 1180562822 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care about responsibility. < 1180562830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am restricted to using the definitions in English. < 1180562858 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just used "i" to include your body. < 1180562876 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we agree and shouldn't argue anymore :) < 1180562886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose so. < 1180562903 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you can make a big philosophical issue out of this, and many people do < 1180562910 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't really see a point < 1180563024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait until you find yourself strongly disagreeing with your body :) < 1180563050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then anyone who has been ill probably has experienced that < 1180563185 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you disagree that the definition that includes the unconscious and the body is the most suited for human interaction? < 1180563220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for _most_ human interaction. < 1180563237 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1180563250 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's the one built into the language - language being a tool for human interaction. < 1180563365 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case i just don't see any reason to single out the consciousness < 1180563397 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of stuff going on in the mind, consciousness is a part of it, but it's only a small part and only useful in certain situations < 1180563426 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The development of The Language That Shall Not Be Named is progressing at am amazing rate. Never before has an esolang had so much input by so many people in so short a time. < 1180563436 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be the ADA of esolangs. < 1180563452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: what? < 1180563459 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION screams LOLCODE and everybody shudders
< 1180563461 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1180563464 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1180563473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that < 1180563486 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: why are you bothered so < 1180563490 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The group are going to produce more text than any one designer could < 1180563493 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not < 1180563496 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fascinated < 1180563512 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, correction < 1180563520 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will be the PL/1 of esolangs. < 1180563536 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION polls the asynchronous toastie.
< 1180563732 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yummy < 1180564094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whee! http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/ehird.py < 1180564114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if just ehird was here... < 1180566629 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IM IN UR MEETIN, BLOATIN UR LANGAGE!