00:16:53 -!- hamZta has joined. 00:36:48 -!- sebbu2 has quit ("@+"). 00:48:43 -!- hamZta has quit ("was kicked by hamZta (§284.395 hamZta)"). 01:02:11 -!- jix__ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 01:02:32 -!- jix__ has joined. 01:10:45 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 01:36:57 -!- IChrisI has joined. 01:37:25 -!- oerjan has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:41:31 -!- IChrisI has left (?). 01:57:17 -!- digital_me has quit ("leaving"). 02:46:13 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 02:46:23 http://www.codu.org/hats.php < Now finally up to date. 02:58:48 -!- jix__ has quit ("CommandQ"). 03:24:10 i overslept again :( 03:24:35 Haha 03:44:57 * Pikhq is of the opinion that you like hats too much 03:45:29 How many pairs of underwear do you own? Probably more than the number of hats I own ... I think you like underwear too much 03:45:53 How do you know I'm not a nudist or something? :p 03:46:08 True. 03:50:35 -!- ihope has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:58:25 every nerd has to have some weird ass hobby 04:59:33 I have to presume you intended a hyphen in there somewhere. 04:59:40 And I'm going to hope it's before "ass" 04:59:43 you can choose where to put it 04:59:50 Because I'd say there are plenty of nerds without a weird ass-hobby. 05:04:37 http://www.codu.org/hats/Kofia-med.jpg < My newest hat is super-cool. 05:05:11 Though it makes me look super-bald :P 05:07:39 * Pikhq lacks a weird ass-hobby. 05:07:46 Weird-ass hobbies? Plenty. 05:08:03 一番は日本語だ。 05:46:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyl5Mwr84MA 05:49:47 . . . 05:50:31 I feel sorry for kids who saw that, I really do. 05:56:31 "Always ask someone you love before you put anything in your mouth." 06:55:17 libpng is incredibly complicated 06:56:52 Would you prefer to do a PNG decoder by hand? 06:57:25 well, no 06:58:43 but come on, it uses setjmp 06:59:44 And libc provides for it. 07:10:17 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 07:22:11 http://www.google.com/search?q=lodepng 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 10:22:14 i overslept as well.. luckily they let me in 40 minutes late 10:23:00 because i was the only one making the test (overslept it once already) it would've been kind of a waste not letting me in 10:26:12 you have more hats than i have underwaer 10:26:14 *wear 10:26:45 i'm pretty sure i have less than 8 10:28:26 this is killin me 10:28:30 hehe :P 10:28:53 still trying though? 10:29:31 yeah 10:29:38 just woke up from a nap 10:29:43 late again? 10:29:55 no 10:30:00 tired as hell though 10:30:07 hmm... i wonder if coffee would make that harder 10:30:09 -!- GregorR-L has quit ("Leaving"). 10:30:17 or easier 10:30:18 that's what i've read 10:30:22 yeah 10:30:33 for some reason i assumed it would 11:39:58 -!- jix__ has joined. 11:56:18 -!- sebbu has joined. 12:04:55 -!- jix__ has changed nick to jix. 12:35:29 bsmntbombdood: did you read any other resources before starting? other than that one short post 12:35:34 i mean 12:35:42 about the not- sleeping thing 12:35:52 *not-sleeping-that-much 12:36:02 just google "ubermans sleep schedule" or "polyphasic sleep" 12:36:04 there's lots 12:37:07 how many have tried it? 12:37:10 i mean 12:37:15 10 12:37:18 or 1000 12:37:23 well 12:37:24 i don't know... 12:37:33 guess i'll read google. 12:38:19 anyone from germany here (sorry if i should've already known), wanna write me a 150 word essay :> 12:38:36 some guy blogged a whole 6 months of it 12:38:58 8| 12:38:59 wow 12:39:14 i would too, prolly 12:41:36 i hope it gets better soon 12:43:11 what do you mean? 12:44:37 i hope i adapt soon and stop being tired 12:44:44 ah 12:44:48 two days now? 12:44:53 hmm 12:45:03 hard to say when i started 12:45:21 i should probably be able to tell whether we last talked yesterday or the day after that... but i can't 12:45:53 prolly in the night, i don 12:46:02 't see any reason why i wouldn't have been here 12:47:48 i woke up from my last full night's sleep about 2 days ago 12:49:33 i've done that much without any sleep a few times 12:50:02 but they say you lose your mind after about 3-4, however little you need sleep normally 12:50:13 never tried 13:02:40 -!- jix__ has joined. 13:10:59 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 13:33:44 oooh neat 13:33:47 "Between the 120 ~ 150 hours mark vivid hallucinations, similar, but more lucid than those of a psilocybin experience tend to begin, and by the seventh day (160+ hours) the participants are reported to be both awake and lucidly dreaming continuously." 13:33:55 that is with completely no sleep 15:35:26 -!- ehird` has joined. 17:20:10 that does NOT sound fun. 17:27:54 wow wa woo wa 17:50:15 was lolcode perpetrated by one of us lot? 17:59:39 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 18:24:15 -!- sebbu has quit (Connection timed out). 18:31:41 -!- jix__ has quit ("CommandQ"). 20:37:07 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:37:28 -!- oerjan has quit (Client Quit). 20:38:56 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:56:38 -!- aarcane has joined. 20:56:49 Hi 20:57:07 Does anyone know of a brainfuck interpreter which can be built as an apache module so I can use it in my database ? 20:57:15 erm, in my website I mean 20:57:32 Hmm. 20:57:37 I think there is modbf, actually. 20:57:37 and I'd like if it included bindings to LOLCODE as well, since I'm planning to mix brainfuck and LOLCODE on my website :) 20:57:51 Dear God. . . 20:57:56 Pikhq, what's the website ? 20:58:25 http://sourceforge.net/projects/modbf/ Can't attest to the quality, though. 20:58:43 You could possibly be better off trying to write that in modphp or something. 20:59:48 Mmm 21:31:03 17:48:45 < SimonRC> was lolcode perpetrated by one of us lot? 21:31:58 Jessicatz and red_herring seem to be the main proponents of LOLCODE, and neither is here 21:32:37 :-( 21:33:31 in fact I appear to be the only common link between #esoteric and #LOLCODE 21:34:15 and that's just 'cause jessicatz got me thinking about brainfuck o,.,0 21:35:14 speaking of brainfuck, how does one use the Database in brainfuck ? 21:37:43 zzz 21:39:13 There is no database in Brainfuck. 21:39:31 You could do something such as PESOIX to provide for Brainfuck database access, though. 21:44:17 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 21:52:42 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:53:17 LOLCODE is goddamn stupid IMO 21:53:38 its authors appear to believe that an esolang based on internet abbreviations is a very new and funny idea that deserves its own website 21:54:50 also everybody ELSE seems to think its the funniest thing possible 21:55:05 -!- Sgeo has joined. 21:55:16 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:56:09 well it's not new, there is Omgrofl 21:56:16 exactly 21:56:38 but somehow it's all over the net with "Looky someone made a prgo languaj with INTERNET WURDS LOL!!!!!!!!" 21:58:06 hmm... it's long since i've gotten excited about languages whose main idea is their connection to the real world... like pokemon->commands, internet-slang->commands or smileys->commands 21:58:50 while these could make the greatest languages of all if properly made... their actual functionality is not cool in any way, usually 21:59:27 well, of course i get excited about them 21:59:35 i get about any language 21:59:42 There's also smiley. 21:59:50 but not like "omg why didn't i invent this" excited 21:59:54 many esolangs are just a thin level of coding above something ordinary. 22:00:01 i mean, LOLCODE can be a good esolang... 22:00:09 but with the stupid overhyping and all of that, it 22:00:16 's lost my respect at least 22:00:17 oklopol: I've actually had ideas for a Pokemon language which *could* be interesting. . . Of course, it's just not interesting enough for me to write it. 22:00:24 The most I'll do is talk about it. 22:00:24 heh 22:00:32 Pikhq: object oriented, surely? "I choose you, CLASS!" -> instance of CLASS 22:00:44 ehird`: Nope. 22:00:51 :( 22:01:05 Each Pokemon contains a list of attacks. It goes through each attack before going on to the next. . . 22:01:09 -!- crathman has joined. 22:01:24 It's looping construct is "mimic", wherein it can temporarily become another Pokemon. 22:01:28 heh 22:01:46 that's an example of syntax-driven esolang design, which i was talking about, that of ehird`'s... which is kinda rude to say since you just said it :) 22:01:49 So, psuedo-functional. 22:02:31 Really, IMO, if you're going to do an esolang that's syntax based, you should have more than just the syntax be interesting. 22:03:38 (or make the syntax so damned weird that that alone is justification. . .) 22:03:54 hehe 22:03:59 that's cool of course 22:04:01 (Malbolge's syntax counts, and it still has more than just syntax) 22:04:35 i've never played with malbolge 22:04:43 always assumed i ain't leet enough 22:04:55 That's because nobody is. 22:06:03 hrm.. a language where "hello\nhello\nhello" is an infinite loop 22:06:04 i like 22:07:38 * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/65789 22:07:39 i highly doubt this is turing complete... it can infinite loop and metaprogram but not much more 22:08:51 syntax: INPUT or INPUT\nREGEXP\NREPLACEMENT (the replacements are carried out, then it is evaluated as one of those two syntaxes) 22:08:56 ANYTHING. -> prints ANYTHING 22:09:52 "one of those two syntaxes" ? 22:10:20 syntax: INPUT or INPUT\nREGEXP\NREPLACEMENT (the replacements are carried out, then it is evaluated as one of INSERT THIS MESSAGE HERE) 22:10:24 quining syntax. :) 22:10:56 hmm 22:11:01 i guess i'm just stupid. 22:11:23 i'll try to understand that for a few minutes, then ask again 22:12:21 syntax: INPUT or INPUT\nREGEXP\NREPLACEMENT (the replacements are carried out, then it [it? the new INPUT?] is evaluated [like recursively?] as one of INSERT THIS MESSAGE HERE [i have no idea...]) 22:12:34 the world through my eyes 22:12:38 like recursively - yes, it the new input - yes 22:12:52 okay 22:13:06 have you seen slashes 22:13:07 // 22:13:09 /// 22:13:13 EVALUATION PROCESS: INPUT. if INPUT is ANYTHING., output ANYTHING, OTHERWISE... INPUT\nREGEXP\nREPLACEMENT (the replacements are carried out, then the new input is evaluated) 22:13:40 that is a deathmode for slashes. 22:13:52 deathmode? 22:13:59 opposite of wimpmode 22:14:02 ah 22:14:25 we tried to make a nontrivial loop in slashes... no one could do it 22:14:52 hello.XhelloXworld 22:14:52 X 22:14:54 \n 22:14:56 ^ hrm. this SHOULD print "world" 22:14:58 but it prints "hello" 22:15:30 and in slashes you can have "/first/replacements/ any text here, just output /second/replacement/ sdf" 22:15:35 evaluates left-right 22:15:40 * Pikhq wants a death mode for Brainfuck. 22:15:48 and each time a char other than / is seen, it's output 22:15:50 actually, slashes doesn't have regexes 22:15:56 oh 22:16:01 damn 22:16:06 you're right 22:16:11 part of what makes it so difficult 22:16:17 i'm pretty sure it won't get easier though, actually 22:16:31 well - some regexp engines are near turingcomplete 22:16:35 perl's IS turing complete iirc 22:16:46 because you can't make context-binded replacements with regexes 22:16:51 so theoretically you could write the program just being a regexp with input crafted to make it work 22:16:54 unless it's made that way 22:17:00 hmm 22:17:16 i'd say pumping lemma. 22:18:06 however assuming only "normal" regexes it might still be as difficult to write a real loop, if you cannot handle escape characters 22:19:17 well 22:19:21 hmm my interpreter is totally borked 22:19:30 * ehird` writes a spec and makes someone else do it 22:19:42 if you have a way to make bnf'ish regexes, basically tree-rewriting 22:19:47 the problem with slashes as i see it is that you cannot do different things to \ in the "program" and "output" part, so quining seems nearly impossible 22:19:49 then making loops would be trivial 22:20:30 hmm 22:20:48 i only understand my own thoughts... i hate being human 22:21:07 and, i think you mean / 22:21:24 well, both \ and / 22:21:29 oh 22:21:29 okay 22:21:31 ah 22:21:35 fex, true 22:22:01 slashes quining is easy 22:22:05 "hello world" is a quine in slashes. 22:22:09 * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/65795 22:22:11 OK, someone implement ^^ that 22:22:25 ehird`: non trivial quine for looping 22:22:43 that was implicit given we searched for one for ages 22:23:37 * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/65796 22:23:39 that's a sample program 22:24:09 * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/65798 22:24:11 and its evaluation process 22:25:34 you can write loops in it, at least, with clever regexps 22:25:39 no idea if its TC 22:25:52 probably not 22:26:39 hmm 22:27:01 someone tell me how regexes make that easier than slashes, please 22:27:07 -!- Sgeo has quit (Connection timed out). 22:27:10 also, what did oerjan say there 22:27:16 well... regexps are sane and fun and evil 22:27:23 oh 22:27:25 \1 22:27:28 indeed 22:27:31 that is useful 22:27:33 yes - match groups 22:27:57 take that, lisp folks - you can't arbitarily modify the TEXT and SYNTACTICAL STRUCTURE of your programs! :D 22:28:19 -!- Sgeo has joined. 22:28:29 possibly more IO etc could be done with , and stuff 22:29:08 ehird`: you german? 22:29:15 err no british 22:29:27 i'm pretty sure someone will write my essay if i try for long enough 22:29:32 next channel! 22:29:44 i'm pretty sure someone will implement my language if i try for long enough 22:29:49 hehe 22:30:03 can you explain the syntax more precisely? 22:30:19 oerjan: as far as where the regexp/replacement are got form? 22:30:21 *from 22:30:35 yep 22:30:48 if so, it's just a simple "Does INPUT consist of three lines? If so, the lines are INPUT, MATCH, REPLACE" 22:30:52 i forget the names - you know what i mean 22:31:21 and is that splitting redone after each substitution? 22:31:33 only if it needs to check if it needs some 22:31:53 "is there no search/replace possible? if so," is what triggers the check 22:32:26 eval(code){code.replace("\\n","\n"); s=code.split("\n"); if(s.length==1)print code; else eval(s[0].regex_replace(s[1],s[2])); } 22:32:29 that? 22:32:37 what language is THAT? 22:32:45 i guess typeless c 22:32:51 kinda obvious what it means... 22:32:52 ... 22:32:54 :D 22:32:58 anyway, no, not that 22:33:09 it doesn't handle \n etc in replacement/input 22:33:17 and it's the ANYTHING. that triggers the printing, not it being on one line 22:33:29 what? 22:33:30 (e.g. you could have two lines "ABC\nDEF." and it'd print that) 22:33:34 what does ANYTHING. mean? 22:33:42 exactly 22:33:51 oerjan: any character, including a dot, followed by a terminating dot 22:34:05 just one character? 22:34:10 no 22:34:21 I didn't sleep last night. I'm not tired, but I hae no energy whatsoever. Argh. 22:34:21 any... string? 22:34:22 (any character, including a dot+)terminating dot 22:34:23 ;) 22:34:29 s/hae/have/ 22:34:38 any character or any string? 22:34:44 * bsmntbombdood laughs at GregorR 22:34:50 read my evaluation process paste 22:34:52 string 22:34:54 you'll see hwo it works 22:35:25 and on the lolcode thing, cat macros are awesome 22:35:41 ehird`: i won't 22:35:55 what's not to understand about it? 22:38:26 so if the input _both_ contains 3 lines and ends with ., a substitution is done. 22:38:51 no 22:38:56 i'll refine my spec 22:39:50 proof: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/caption1.jpg 22:40:25 * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/65806 22:40:28 that should be unambigious. 22:41:54 so the answer was "yes" 22:42:34 "Is INPUT 3 lines, and only 3 lines?" this is kinda funny :P 22:42:57 * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/65808 22:43:01 and some comprehensive examples 22:43:13 oerjan: no - the input doesn't have to end with . to perform a substitution 22:44:05 that is not what my question meant 22:44:31 "so if the input _both_ contains 3 lines and ends with ., a substitution is done." 22:44:33 GODSDAMNIT IT'S PAOLINI ALL OVER AGAIN! 22:44:51 "and ends with ." 22:44:58 the problem with slashes as i see it is that you cannot do different things to \ in the "program" and "output" part, so quining seems nearly impossible <<< can you explain that so that even i undestand? 22:45:11 if the spec + the example evaluations aren't enough, then i hav no idea what is :) 22:45:16 most things can't be explained that way, but i'll try my luck 22:45:20 someone does what a thousand amartures have been doing for a decade, but they manage to make it popular for some reason, and they get all the fucking attention. 22:45:30 SimonRC: what - LOLCODE? 22:45:44 -!- ihope has joined. 22:45:51 SimonRC: that's the gist of pop music 22:45:59 yeah 22:46:03 i think i understand your language now 22:46:05 SimonRC: i agree if so. 22:46:11 i recognize my childhood piano riffs in todays popular music 22:46:15 SimonRC: reddit's going crazy about it 22:46:26 i pointed out its old had and got a nice shiny -8 points 22:46:29 *hat 22:48:53 SimonRC: The worst part being that it's not all that good. 22:49:15 Pikhq: what - LOLCODE? 22:49:18 if so, i agree. 22:49:21 oklopol: most quines go something like: turn the data of the program into two copies, one being the rest of the program and one being the same data. this requires being able to treat the two copies differently, which seems impossible in slashes 22:49:22 Yeah. 22:49:30 The author asked what a ternary op was when he was shown one 22:49:35 (X) :) Y :< Z i think it was 22:49:39 and he asked if it was a goto label 22:49:49 It's not even really esoteric! 22:49:53 and that "it has too much punctuation could it be expressed in words" 22:50:06 a ternary operator without symbols ... useless! :) 22:50:24 If I can grok a program in it without having read the spec, it's not at all esoteric. 22:50:24 Pikhq: yes, it has includes and stuff - I CAN HAS STDIO? WHY CAN DOES YOU NEEDS STDIO? just do IO! 22:50:39 nonononono ternaries.... use other fixes for your multioperand needs! 22:50:52 <3 ternary ops 22:51:08 * Pikhq is almost tempted to make a real Esolang which is superficially similar to LOLCODE 22:51:29 It will, of *course*, be RPN. 22:51:29 i hope people forget about LOLCODE soon 22:51:32 I am bitching about this more than you lot because I have seen it before. 22:51:37 I mean, more generally... 22:51:43 and real esolangs can reclaim :) 22:51:50 fucking Paolini did it with conlangs 22:52:02 SimonRC: conlangs? 22:52:04 okay, what's lolcode? 22:52:07 SimonRC: What, like the various Brainfuck variants which just change the instruction symbols? 22:52:10 oklopol: Google it. 22:52:12 someone post the url if you have it 22:52:13 oklopol: google it 22:52:15 meh 22:52:17 oh 22:52:18 it takes a week 22:52:19 constructed languagse. 22:52:22 http://ww.lolcode.com/ 22:52:27 thanx 22:52:28 the speakable type 22:52:30 its horrific 22:52:46 not _necessarily_ speakable... 22:52:47 it got popular before it was even implemented, too 22:52:53 It's *really* stupid. 22:53:02 author was apparently either an amazing brain-evaluator or can't program. 22:53:06 It's like a friggin' syntax replacement for C! 22:53:23 Like genocides, you get really sick of them quite quickly. 22:53:27 (and a really bad one, only supporting a subset) 22:53:41 Oh, god. 22:53:48 lolcode's syntax doesn't mangle c's semantics enough to make it esoteric, but it also changes it too much so its just stupid 22:53:57 "variables are untyped, *as far as we can tell so far*" 22:54:12 *hurl* 22:54:19 Pikhq: take a look at some of the implementations http://ww.lolcode.com/contributions/lolphp 22:54:26 It's a bad sign when the spec doesn't even *decide* on whether or not it's typed. 22:54:55 Excuse me while I call that "stupid". 22:55:02 LOLCODE is stupid 22:55:08 lolcode is basic then? 22:55:15 it looks like it 22:55:19 oklopol: heh 22:55:27 http://ww.lolcode.com/contributions/mah-bukkit i don't even think this is PARSABLE. 22:55:50 I get the feeling that nobody involved is a coder. 22:56:14 its mindboggling that an esolang has its own domain 22:56:30 So far, LOLCODE has appeared to me to be entirely loosely typed. I see this as causing lots of problems when it comes to implementation… even if we limit ourselves to LOLCODE being interpreted. — Kyle, 2007/05/29 09:11 22:56:30 ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... loose typing is much easier to implement 22:56:59 "I agree with dynamic typing. Otherwise, it sounds too much like a programming language. — Risser, 2007/05/29 16:31" ... 22:57:04 Especially if you just want to write it in a higher-level, loosely-typed language. 22:57:08 The hell? 22:57:34 http://ww.lolcode.com/contributions/database-queries DATABASE QUERIES IN A LANGUAGE CORE? 22:57:37 Um, a huge amount of languages are dynamically typed. Go back to "AppleBASIC for Beginners", please. 22:57:44 WHEN ALL THE IMPLEMENTATIONS ARE ABOUT 3 LINES 22:57:49 AND ARE VERY INCOMPLETE 22:57:53 Pikhq: it was a quote 22:57:59 ehird`: I know. 22:58:02 ok 22:58:14 I could probably write a self-hosting implementation in 100 lines or less. 22:58:26 When your esolang is that simple, you fail. 22:58:41 esolangs should either be nicely big or tiny 22:58:44 never inbetween 22:58:57 now - somebody implement my language 22:58:59 hmm 22:59:13 you can't have but one file open at a time 22:59:17 same with everything 22:59:29 http://ww.lolcode.com/contributions/hey-guys ........ threading...... DO THESE PEOPLE REALISE THEY'RE DREAMING FAR TOO FAR AHEAD?!!!!!! 23:00:09 I think they want it to be more of a practical language than an esolang. . . 23:00:11 that's what you get when you don't know what turing completeness is... 23:00:11 But fail horribly. 23:00:15 Pikhq: Nah 23:00:18 It's a "joke" 23:00:27 But it's a joke they don't quite get themselvse 23:00:45 So they just take loads of shitty concepts, warp them to their non-programming brains, and laugh about them 23:00:53 And make 3-line implementations that don't actually work, using php and substr(). 23:01:09 i hate practical languages... perl makes me vomit with rage sometimes :) 23:01:21 though might be just my opinion it's practical 23:01:27 Then you must hate PEBBLE. 23:01:35 hmm 23:01:49 i dont think the people doing all of this realise that the language with all the current suggestions would be 1. very hard to implement 2. a very big slow implementation 23:02:05 If you go with the base suggestion, then it's far too easy. 23:02:17 i mean all the contribs 23:02:25 Yeah. 23:02:37 * oerjan is taking a shot at ehird's language. 23:02:56 yay! 23:03:02 what language are you implementing it in? 23:03:14 the same one i hope 23:03:18 oklopol, avert your eyes! 23:03:24 in perl of course 23:03:31 self-hosting without an original impl? haha 23:03:46 makes it trivial, i hope 23:03:46 ehird`: it's the only pure way 23:04:03 oerjan: :) 23:04:04 You know that Esolang contest a while back? 23:04:11 i hope ihope is not too upset with all these mentions of his name 23:04:14 In lieu of judging, I think the entries, at least, should be posted. 23:04:42 "I hope" is not my name. 23:05:01 You can tell because it beeps whenever you say my name, but it doesn't beep when you say "I hope". :-P 23:05:02 ihope ihope hopes that ihope ihope hopes that ihope hopes. 23:05:08 ^ valid! 23:05:56 Besides, there are two other puns you can make out of "ihope". 23:06:01 Three puns total. 23:06:27 ( i hope that )+ 23:06:30 ^^^ valid 23:06:36