00:47:42 lament: Anyone who needs the number 0. 00:49:53 1997, of course, equals MCX7. 00:51:40 Err. . . That's wrong. 00:54:29 MXM7 00:55:25 er, no 00:56:19 1997 = 199 7 = CIC 7 00:56:22 CIC7 00:56:36 but MM7 is shorter 00:56:51 and so is C3M 01:14:34 But 10 is shorter still (base unspecified). :p 01:44:11 Many rules frown on CIC and want CXCIX instead. 01:45:01 "Thus, one should represent the number "ninety-nine" as XCIX, not as the "shortcut" IC. However, these rules are not universally followed." says Wikipedia on "XCIX or IC". 01:45:04 I frown on positive-integer-only numerics. 01:45:34 But remember: A frown takes N muscles, while a smile takes only M, with N >> M. 01:46:34 Yes. Thus, a numeral system which *can* represent all real numbers (assuming infinite storage) is easier than one that can only store postive integers. 01:47:09 (and, with some additions, the real number numeral system also handles complex numbers) 02:13:03 Pikhq: adding a '-' in front of roman numerals is not any different from adding it in front of decimal numerals. 02:37:05 -!- Rugxulo has joined. 02:37:34 -!- Rugxulo has quit (Client Quit). 02:38:25 -!- ihope_ has joined. 02:38:28 -!- ihope_ has changed nick to ihope. 02:41:20 -!- Rugxulo has joined. 02:42:13 -!- Rugxulo has left (?). 03:23:18 -!- ihope has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:31:25 -!- digital_me has quit ("Lost terminal"). 04:32:04 -!- digital_me has joined. 05:33:34 -!- digital_me has quit ("night"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:55:57 -!- jix__ has joined. 10:24:22 -!- jix__ has quit ("Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht"). 12:00:21 -!- ihope_ has joined. 12:00:23 -!- ihope_ has changed nick to ihope. 12:14:13 -!- jix__ has joined. 12:44:09 -!- jix__ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 12:44:32 -!- jix__ has joined. 13:12:45 -!- jix__ has quit ("Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht"). 13:13:05 -!- jix__ has joined. 16:05:50 -!- helios24_ has changed nick to helios24. 16:32:20 -!- ehird` has joined. 16:44:56 -!- sebbu has joined. 17:18:09 -!- lament has set topic: - the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang - forum: http://esolangs.org/forum/ - EgoBot: !help - wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://meme.b9.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric - Pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/ | http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/. 17:50:55 -!- ehird` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:52:08 -!- ehird` has joined. 18:18:46 oooh 18:18:57 hoo 18:19:14 oko 20:19:20 -!- digital_me has joined. 20:22:04 -!- digital_me has quit (Client Quit). 20:22:50 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:00:31 -!- digital_me has joined. 21:01:06 -!- digital_me has quit (Client Quit). 21:01:18 -!- digital_me has joined. 21:15:34 -!- crathman has joined. 21:30:15 -!- ville_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 21:37:27 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:55:39 -!- jix__ has quit ("Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht"). 22:14:37 -!- oklopol has joined. 22:15:30 -!- ville_ has joined. 23:33:21 -!- ehird` has quit. 23:52:17 that turing machine in the topic has no halt state 23:52:26 what is suposed to be the end of computation? 23:54:21 anything 23:54:22 you can use any halting computation to test, i think 23:54:26 yeah 23:54:47 any halting computation to set up, too 23:54:56 huh? 23:55:10 bsmntbombdood: to check when to halt, you analyze the state 23:55:35 bsmntbombdood: but the rule for halting has to be sufficiently simple 23:55:47 basically, you code and decode a computation from/into this machine using some other program. 23:56:15 have the decoding be done by a utm 23:57:39 the point is that the de/coder should be simple enough that you know _it_ is not providing the universality 23:58:05 hm, simply being halting may not be enough 23:58:51 you just have to satisfy the committee 23:59:06 which, realistically, shouldn't be difficult unless you're actually cheating