00:06:09 I'd like to make a terrible OS... sounds like fun 00:06:34 I think we could make a good nanokernel.... they're much easier to develop. 00:08:47 Let's make a Multiboot-compliant boot loader that runs on top of GRUB! 00:10:06 hmmm.... let's see... 00:10:35 ihope__: So, multiboot compliant in both senses? :P 00:10:45 Indeed. 00:10:53 I think a lesson could be had from hardware interupts.... you could fill the entire system with a number of asynchronous callback sturcture things.... 00:11:18 instead of doing stupid things like.... polling the kernel constantly for hardware signals. 00:11:22 Actually, can't GRUB run directly from GRUB? 00:11:44 SevenInchBread: poll the kernel for hardware signals. If you didn't get any, forfeit your time slice. 00:11:44 SevenInchBread: system calls 00:11:47 So GRUB is GRUB-compliant? 00:11:49 Maybe. 00:12:00 SevenInchBread: GRUB has a chainloader feature. 00:12:31 bsmntbombdood, ...did you intend for that to sound smart-ass-ish? :P 00:12:32 -!- ihope has quit (Connection timed out). 00:13:34 ihope__, in my experience... polling never works as good as interrupts and exceptions and the like 00:13:36 SevenInchBread: system calls are powered by interupts (at least on x86 linux) 00:13:56 I guess that's true. 00:14:00 bsmntbombdood, yes I know... but you can plug any number of callbacks onto them. 00:14:08 I'm thinking more along the lines of a "hook" 00:14:08 you put the system call number in one of the registers and call int 0x80 00:15:27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooking 00:16:04 hooks are probably one of the most awesomel plug-in-new-features things I've ever seen. 00:19:16 -!- Pikhq has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 00:30:24 -!- ihope__ has changed nick to ihope. 00:44:50 -!- Figs has joined. 00:45:07 I got a nice bit of code for you all today 00:45:08 http://rafb.net/p/j5n3ZG98.html 00:45:10 it's in C 00:45:21 good luck figuring out what it does (without compiling) 00:46:10 What's the _ do? 00:46:19 In main(t,_,a) 00:46:20 I have no fucking idea. 00:46:24 but it compiles 00:46:30 and it runs 00:46:32 Presumably it's argv 00:46:37 -!- jix__ has quit ("Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht"). 00:49:50 I ran it to see what it does 00:50:01 and I can't for the life of me figure out how the output came out as it did 00:50:02 :P 00:54:48 -!- Figs has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:54:54 -!- Figs_ has joined. 00:54:54 -!- Figs_ has changed nick to Figs. 00:57:50 hi 00:57:53 got disconnected there 00:58:00 -!- Figs has changed nick to F. 00:58:04 -!- F has changed nick to Figs. 01:04:13 oohhh 01:04:15 I get it 01:04:23 the first part of it, at least 01:07:30 oh good grief 01:07:30 >.< 01:30:14 ihope, since the filesystem will be versioned... it makes it nearly impossible to lose data due to a faulty operation. 01:30:44 Are we taking a break from the kernel stuff? 01:30:57 Say, I don't suppose you have a spec for the kernel... 01:31:09 in fact... you could probably define macro-like operation scripts... and if any of the smaller parts fail... the filesystem process automatically reverts the operation. 01:31:24 well... I did. 01:31:34 but... it wasn't complete... as there was a lot of unanswered things in it. 01:31:36 and I lost it. 01:31:47 which means I'll probably never summon the willpower to write another. 01:52:59 They say something about fruits of labor. I dunno what. 01:53:20 First you decide whether you want to do something, then you act on your decision. 01:59:50 I decided that I -didn't- want to rewrite that kernel spec... because I'm a lazy bastard... and then acted (gleefully) upon my decision. 02:30:38 ihope: I know nothing about OSs :P 02:32:31 Oh, how nice. 02:32:39 You, bsmntbombdood? 02:34:47 My dad wrote his own :P 02:34:55 Duno what he started with tho 02:35:17 see, the problem with operating systems, is you have to write 34930493094830984 drivers for it to be usefull 02:35:35 Actually, you only need 3. 02:35:59 Actually, like 85% of statistics, that number was pulled out of the space between my ears. 02:36:10 Your dad wrote an operating system, eh? 02:37:17 I need a funny one-liner or couplet 02:38:09 for? 02:38:31 obfuscated program I'm working on 02:38:34 (as the output) 02:39:53 bash.org 02:39:55 find one :P 03:15:35 -!- Pikhq has joined. 03:49:52 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 03:56:57 bah ba bah di baaa bah... Bah? 03:57:48 adena? 04:06:25 Adenosine! 04:06:30 Triphosphate! 04:06:49 Gimme an A! Gimma a T! Gimme a P! What's that spell? ATP! 04:08:08 Gimme a P! Gimme an O! Gimme an R! Gimme an N! 04:08:18 oh 04:08:23 at first I thought you were spelling PORK 04:08:28 but then I saw then N 04:08:44 ya... 04:08:46 who wants pork 04:09:01 Gimme an R! Gimme an O! Gimme an F! Gimme an L! 04:11:46 err 04:11:58 or just an s.t.f.u 04:11:59 :P 04:12:20 Gimme an S! Gimme an T! Gimme an F! Gimme an U! 04:12:45 Bigcheese, either that... or you create a wrapper that can interface with the 34930493094830984 drivers that already exist. 04:13:16 hmm 04:13:17 err 04:13:20 no 04:13:21 :P 04:13:22 Gimme a H! Gimme a E! Gimme a L! Gimme a L! Gimme a O! Gimme a comma! Gimme a space! Gimme a W! Gimme a O! Gimme a R! Gimme a L! Gimme a D! 04:13:26 mabey 04:13:27 i duno 04:13:39 that's what linux does... for network adapters 04:13:43 GregorR: that was almost funny 04:13:47 it might even be funny 04:13:53 Doubtful. 04:13:53 in fact, i think it is 04:13:54 :P 04:14:02 ...I smell an esolang idea. 04:14:06 lol 04:14:13 ;p 04:14:15 Gimme a branch! 04:14:20 Gimme a loop! 04:14:29 Branch 04:14:31 Loop 04:14:34 wow 04:14:36 that would be 04:14:37 random 04:15:41 ok, sense this is #esoteric 04:15:46 lets come up with the syntax 04:15:47 Gimme a Gimme an L when I have no Z in X. 04:15:57 X!=Z; 04:16:04 -->F; 04:16:15 //F==L 04:16:16 ....why not do... 04:16:21 For characters we can use their Unicode thingies. 04:16:22 GO F!!!! 04:16:59 Gimme a LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H! Gimme a LATIN SMALL LETTER E! Gimme a LATIN SMALL LETTER L! ... 04:17:21 Gimme a UNICODE CHARACTER 0133! 04:17:53 No, it has to be Gimme a LATIN SMALL LIGATURE IJ! 04:18:21 hmm 04:18:26 it would be like 04:18:46 Gimme a H and put it in var foo! 04:18:47 :P 04:19:00 ...you people are terrible. 04:19:11 Gimme a LATIN CAPITAL LETTER F! Gimme a LATIN SMALL LETTER R! Gimme a LATIN SMALL LETTER A! Gimme a LATIN SMALL LETTER N! Gimme a LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH CEDILLA! Gimme a LATIN SMALL LETTER A! Gimme a LATIN SMALL LETTER I! Gimme a LATIN SMALL LETTER S! 04:19:44 Francais 04:19:45 ... 04:19:52 We've got , yes we do! we've got , how bout you? 04:19:56 For outputting BugSophia: Gimme a RUNIC LETTER STAN! 04:19:58 Gimme a JAPANESE KANJI ichi. 04:20:08 Bigcheese: no, Français. 04:20:09 ? 04:20:12 wow 04:20:13 anyway 04:20:15 - 04:20:23 would be one thing ichi could be 04:20:29 :P 04:20:35 * SevenInchBread ...should implement bugSophia 04:20:53 Gimme a JAPANESE KANJI KIN. 04:20:54 Figs: that's a Unicode character? 04:21:07 should be 04:21:42 Gimme a RUPTURE, SPLIT APART, COLLAPSE! 04:21:51 (U+5D29) 04:22:01 ???? 04:22:04 WOW 04:22:05 WTF 04:22:10 So what's this JAPANESE KANJI ichi look like in UTF-8? 04:22:12 Bigcheese: what? 04:23:00 ....you know... they don't have to be gimme a somethings 04:23:03 +all 04:23:08 im trying to get mIRC to send unicode 04:23:17 ?? 04:23:17 SevenInchBread: only the characters. :-) 04:23:21 mIRC can barely /receive/ Unicode :P 04:23:36 ya... 04:23:39 piss me off 04:23:49 4E00 04:23:57 Gimme a ! 04:24:17 Gimme a KOREAN man! 04:24:20 どうぞ 04:24:24 (the word) 04:24:24 bah 04:24:24 die 04:24:31 ? what... :P 04:25:48 Gimme a KOREAN HANGEUL 04:26:01 http://www.omniglot.com/images/langsamples/smp_hangeul.gif 04:26:05 Gimme a HEBREW LETTER ALEF! Gimme a LOW LINE! Gimme a DIGIT ZERO! 04:26:06 We've got , , , 04:26:29 don't 04:26:35 We've got Spirt! Yes we do! We've got Spirit, how `bout you? : 04:26:47 ....YOU PEOPLE ARE TERRIBLE 04:27:05 ...but... something like that 04:27:23 what will we call this esolang? 04:27:27 Cheers? 04:27:30 yes 04:27:31 ihope: The kanji "Ichi" looks something like this (my IME is temporarily borken): - 04:27:31 ... 04:27:36 YOU PEOPLE ARE TERRIBLE AT NAMES ALSO 04:27:37 yes, it does 04:27:42 call it pep rally 04:27:47 if you are trying to say one 04:27:55 Bigcheese: Well, yeah. 04:27:56 ????? 04:28:12 ????????? 04:28:15 ???? 04:28:23 quesion marks ftw 04:28:29 that's not question marks :P 04:28:36 to me it is :P 04:28:36 it's japanese 04:28:41 i can see other peoples jap 04:28:42 Pikhq: Unicode calls that thing a . 04:28:43 yeah you ?? 04:28:44 like Pikhq 04:29:06 whoo. Dawkins. 04:29:11 @_@ 04:29:12 two hour video 04:29:32 Figs: Your IRC client is borken: it doesn't send Unicode at all. 04:29:42 so is mine 04:29:42 could be :P 04:29:45 sadly 04:29:49 but I've talked to people in Unicode 04:29:54 so I doubt it 04:29:57 *Japanese 04:32:43 こにちわ 04:32:45 OMG 04:32:48 work? 04:32:55 no... 04:33:00 bah 04:33:02 worked on my clien 04:33:03 t 04:33:05 finaly :P 04:33:21 I get a w/ ~, box, ", a~, box, <<, a~, ... etc 04:33:25 おめでとう。 04:33:29 i see that :P 04:33:41 Figs: Do you happen to *use* Unicode at all? 04:34:02 Me personally? or the software I use? 04:34:15 I use it 04:34:17 on MSN 04:34:23 works fine 04:34:26 :P 04:34:56 こにちわ 04:34:56 -!- Figs has quit (Connection reset by peer). 04:35:05 ? 04:35:15 BTW, that's こんにちは。 04:35:39 bah 04:35:58 it's stupid 04:36:06 i have to set an unreadable font for it to work 04:36:14 -!- Figs_ has joined. 04:36:19 wtf? "There's no great leap, really. You can think of chimps as MS-DOS and humans as Windows 2000." 04:36:46 Figs_: Inapt comparison. ;) 04:36:59 Perhaps chimps == Windows, humans == anything else? :p 04:37:00 I'm quoting a dawkins video 04:37:03 Ah. 04:37:22 Windows = works 04:38:01 In other news, 1 = 2; all mathematicians resign. 04:38:16 私は学生。 04:38:21 I think thats right 04:38:25 if you can even see it ;/ 04:38:27 You forgot a verb. 04:38:34 err 04:38:35 oh 04:38:36 ta 04:38:37 ya 04:38:38 it's 04:38:48 It doesn't show up here 04:38:54 Either "です" or "だ". 04:39:05 私だ学生。 04:39:23 im reading http://www.guidetojapanese.org/ 04:39:28 which seems to be rather good 04:39:35 What you're saying is roughly equivalent to "I student." 04:39:49 No, wait. 04:39:58 You actually screwed the second one up even more. 04:40:03 wow 04:40:05 i pwn 04:40:05 :P 04:40:06 "am I student." 04:40:07 which version of Japanese are you using? 04:40:13 Figs_? 04:40:13 lol 04:40:16 -!- Figs_ has changed nick to Figs. 04:40:24 Figs_: He must be using /dev/urandom/Japanese. 04:40:32 there are multiple ways of encoding Japanese :| 04:40:34 Bigcheese: Verbs in Japanese go at the *end* of the sentence. 04:40:34 I'm using nub 04:40:50 * Bigcheese asks the japanese kid on his msn 04:40:50 Figs: He said "watasi da gakusei." 04:41:09 da? 04:41:13 not wa/ha 04:41:16 Figs: Yeah. 04:41:29 and no desu :P 04:41:39 No, it's there. 04:41:42 In the wrong place. 04:41:46 :P 04:41:49 da is state of being 04:41:50 (da is plain form desu, after all) 04:41:58 私は学生だ. 04:42:00 THERE 04:42:03 There you go. 04:42:12 That, while informal, is perfectly correct. 04:42:19 oh, I see 04:42:28 he meant "Watashi wa gakusei da." 04:42:33 japanese cast system is stupid :P 04:42:41 cast? 04:42:42 And he finally got around to saying just that. 04:42:46 yes, cast 04:42:57 never heard of a cast system 04:43:00 another term maybe 04:43:01 ? 04:43:14 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast_system 04:43:53 oh, that kind 04:43:59 Honorifics 04:44:01 that's usually "caste" 04:44:06 bah 04:44:14 I thought you meant like 04:44:37 (cheese*)&Swiss; 04:44:40 lol 04:44:46 And so I was scratching my head there :P 04:44:48 thats what i was thinking when i wrote it 04:45:27 -!- RodgerTheGreat has joined. 04:45:35 hi everybody 04:45:38 hi 04:45:44 hello! 04:45:57 what's going on in #Esoteric this evening? 04:46:13 talking about Nihongo, Unicode, and making a cheering esolang 04:46:22 cool 04:46:30 what's nihongo? 04:46:30 (although I think they were joking about that) 04:46:36 Japanese 04:46:40 ah 04:46:49 Nihon = Japan, go = language 04:47:02 I can see how that can lead into discussions about Unicode 04:47:14 it was sort of the other way 04:47:22 Cheering -> Unicode/Japanese 04:47:24 haha 04:47:38 instead of 04:47:38 Figs: that was no joke 04:47:42 we need a syntax still 04:47:44 oh, you're gonna do it? 04:47:57 Mabey, if it's simple 04:48:18 well, we have possible branch and print... 04:48:22 what else do we need...? 04:48:24 loops 04:48:28 is the goal to make the source look like cheering? 04:48:37 yeah... 04:49:18 We need some form of function 04:49:24 "Gimme a [single letter variable names] ... What does it spell?" could be some kind of group evaluation 04:49:25 Gimme an H! Gimme an E! Gimme an L! Gimme an L! Gimme an O! Gimme a SPACE! Gimme a W! Gimme an O! Gimme an R! Gimme an L! Gimme an D! 04:49:48 Flush the buffer? :P 04:49:54 Thats too 04:49:56 uselless 04:49:59 yeah 04:50:04 I want a usefull lang, that looks like that :P 04:50:37 ok, first someone list out a bunch of cheers 04:50:42 well, the What's that Spell? 04:50:45 can be the Print 04:50:48 and the Gimme a/an 04:50:54 can be a way to build strings 04:50:54 could be input! 04:51:12 I can't hear you! 04:51:16 :) 04:51:25 or a multiple parameter math operation 04:51:37 Gimme would be like dim in basic 04:51:39 for vars 04:51:39 use "I can't hear you!" for inpu 04:51:45 t 04:51:56 "I can't hear you" could be used to repeat a block of code, perhaps? 04:51:56 (telling the user to "Speak up" :P) 04:52:04 that's another possibility 04:52:35 but it'd need to take a parameter of some kind to be a useful (FOR...NEXT) style loop 04:52:53 I CAN'T HEAR YOU! AGAIN! AGAIN! AGAIN! 04:53:03 I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LOUDER! 04:53:06 we need paramiters 04:53:06 just a repeat isn't very handy unless we can self-modify 04:53:26 GO TO HELL! 04:53:27 :D 04:53:30 GO HOME 04:53:33 Gimme an INT how do you spell it? i 04:53:46 ooh 04:53:47 :D 04:53:49 nice 04:54:36 that could be useful 04:54:50 dinner 04:54:56 k 04:56:49 ok, now for branches 04:58:51 "IF YOU THINK WE'RE THE BEST, [insert enthusiastic action here]" 04:59:07 actions could include standing up, clapping, cheering, etc 04:59:26 and then you could have "EVERYBODY STANDING UP, [action]" and the like 05:00:05 hmm 05:00:08 ooh! you could also have certain actions be triggered by someone in the "game" "scoring" 05:00:11 we need a way to call a function 05:00:36 If you think i is 5, *** 05:00:45 All statments must end with ! 05:00:46 :P 05:00:49 haha 05:00:55 s /:/! 05:01:26 er 05:01:31 s /;/! 05:03:00 only thing i can think of is 05:04:36 If you think i is 5, Go and do foo! 05:04:40 but thats stupid 05:04:42 :P 05:05:39 some cheers start out with an "exposition" of sorts- like "Hey, we're from [insert high school], and we're ready to rock" etc. 05:05:56 that could be used for variable declaration and initialization of some kind 05:06:35 and if we provide enough control structures, function calls aren't really *necessary* 05:06:43 but they are sexy :P 05:06:47 mainly you just need looping and jumps 05:06:51 but hard too do in esoteric i guess 05:06:59 ya, drop functions 05:07:00 ok 05:07:05 to* 05:07:26 esoteric functions are only for when you want to do stuff recursively, which often serves as a replacement for iteration 05:10:11 flow control-wise, we could get by with just a "repeat block X times" structure and a "start over" command, given a couple flavors of conditional 05:12:38