00:03:16 -!- goban has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:03:27 -!- goban has joined. 00:43:45 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 00:45:34 -!- pikhq has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:02:56 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:06:08 -!- lament has quit ("I lost an eye in a drunken ko fight!"). 01:13:34 -!- crathman has joined. 01:13:49 -!- crathman has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:15:22 I'd write a brainfuck interpreter in dc if its string manipulations weren't so crappy 01:15:29 -!- tgwizard has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:19:08 bsmntbombdood: just tokenise everything as numbers and use a few register-stacks. 01:19:34 not good enoough 01:20:03 I'll just figure out conversions 01:23:36 ok 01:25:14 i think [
] goes to [ LrdSr 0!=f] Sf LrdSr 0!=f LfSz
01:25:34  assuming l and r are used as the tape, and z is only used to throw away values
01:27:09  Sz should be sz
01:29:07  aaaand it works
01:29:27  all the other conversions are obvious
01:30:16  except input
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01:47:23  aha.
01:47:42  darn.
01:47:49  ahoo
01:48:05  i see how to pop a string in dc but only if what's below is a number.
01:48:32  1r
01:48:37  pop = drop?
01:48:41  yes
01:48:45  how?
01:49:18  use Z to turn anything into a length
01:49:39  oh right
01:51:44  well, storing in an un used register works
01:51:47  hm, and then you can use something like d>r I think.
01:51:55  Zd>r should pop.
01:52:33  what's in r?
01:52:49  any register name. it is not used, since the test always fails.
01:54:06  clever
01:54:15 * oerjan bows
01:56:37  But input still looks like a bitch. I guess you do need to convert characters to numbers on I/O.
02:02:35  arrr
02:02:43  loading an empty stack isn't 0
02:03:03  indeed not?
02:03:36  lr is, Lr isn't
02:03:50  that complicates things
02:05:14  Indeed. Also, it looks like only the main stack has a depth command.
02:05:24  yep
02:05:58  Although that is OK if you use an array that is only infinite to the right.
02:06:27  Which is enough for TC brainfuck.
02:06:36  ?
02:06:43  turing-complete
02:06:54  not that
02:07:04  what?
02:07:05  how do you make the array infinite
02:07:25  by using the main stack for the right part.
02:07:40  hmm
02:07:50  and check depth
02:07:55  right.
02:10:35  you could make it twosided with more work, if you are willing to add flags to the stacks.
02:11:05  or rather, keep track of the depth yourself.
02:11:48  or fill it with zeros 30000st [0Sr lt 1- d st 0!=f]dsfx
02:12:50  well if you want fixed size it would be easier to use arrays, wouldn't it? I don't know how big they are.  Or the stacks for that matter.
02:13:03  arrays are 2048 long
02:14:18  A bit small.
02:23:03  bah
02:23:06  still doesn't work
02:23:31  http://pastebin.ca/383054
02:31:22  I presume a contains [0].
02:31:41  yeah
02:31:46  You need to invoke it at the beginning of the program too.
02:31:57  [0]sa0 goes at the beginning
02:32:05  Right.
02:32:38  So I assume it is ] that isn't working, then?
02:33:31  yeah
02:35:33  oops
02:35:43  there was a problem in the translation file
02:36:35  - wasn't getting recognized
02:36:36  oh. because what you pasted seems right to me.
02:36:43  it is, to a human
02:38:11  hello world prints hello world, after a few "stack empty" errors
02:38:36  hm.
02:38:45  so it is still buggy?
02:38:49  yeah
02:39:04  oh
02:39:55  did you forget the prefix [0]sa0?
02:40:04  no
02:41:10  I was thinking that the ] rule needed some z0=a, but that doesn't change anything
02:41:28  It shouldn't.
02:41:47  why not?
02:41:54  it takes from the stack
02:42:01  The main stack should never be empty.
02:42:44  yeah
02:42:51  after a > on an empty stack
02:42:52  oh wait.
02:43:05  right. > is slightly wrong.
02:43:19  It should be Sr first.
02:43:32  z0=a Sr z0=a 
02:43:43  that too
02:43:44  You don't need the first z0=a
02:43:54  it works
02:44:04  Of course, but it is redundant.
02:44:12  it works to the whole thing
02:44:13  It will never be triggered.
02:45:01  hooray
02:45:43 * oerjan plays a fanfare.
02:50:29  http://pastebin.ca/383081
02:51:28  i don't think you need z0=a in .
02:51:32  oops, . is wrong too
02:52:09  right
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03:10:45  fell asleep in my armchair and woke up now... 10 hours later
03:11:13  heh
03:11:49  sounds like you are ready for a new day :)
03:13:25  it's 5 am
03:13:31  and my back hurts like hell
03:34:33  :-S  !!!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Leaves#Format
03:34:34 * SimonRC goes to bed
03:48:51  SimonRC: neat
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04:17:50  [1Sa [d La*Sa 1- d 0r La]sf
04:17:52  factorial
04:20:15  in what language?
04:20:19  dc
04:20:51  I think i'm going to get a new screen name and say I got a "gnu screen name"
04:23:01  =D
04:23:52  Ha. BTW do you know that all GNU programs must terminate?
04:25:11  huh?
04:25:37  Because they are antiloops.
04:27:36  haha
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04:48:02  i'm very disappointed, my ai just discovered eternal loops were possible in the game
04:49:04  i spent an hour figuring out how it did it... quite trivial but requires a lot of moves before the loop can be done
04:50:19  there is only one possibility - turn your game into a Turing-complete esoteric language!
04:50:41  i've been thinking about that
04:51:12  it's just you can always choose which triggers to use and in which order... that has to be dropped
04:51:43  plus it should still be playable by humans in situation created with humans playing
04:52:03  or it kinda loses the coolness of being a turing complete game
04:52:10  *situations
04:52:46  because first i thought threads for each trigger..... it's kinda impossible to actually use
04:52:47  :)
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05:30:41  too many esolangs are turing tarpits
05:34:02  nah
05:34:39  too many esolangs are minor variations on the same plot.
05:35:28  Not enough esolangs are Perl.
05:37:31  perl is an esolang in itself
05:38:00  oh, the other way is to have as many instructions as you can ;D
05:38:05  nah perl is at _least_ two esolangs.
05:38:45  At least three I'd say.
05:40:50  the third way would be having an unusual basic concept.
06:03:01  ok guys, afk
06:25:23  back
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06:46:04  hey guys, are any of you in an aware state when the mention of esoteric english is presented?
06:46:26  NO PARSE
06:47:07  that's a sentence in eso-english, which is the more esoteric side of english
06:47:56  well in that case it looks like a kind of buzzword speak.
07:01:30  tarpits are cool.
07:06:11  there is a high degree of the cool factor which tarpits are allocated
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08:31:31  ok, gtg, gnight
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18:47:38  Hello
18:53:58  I have an idea for a language
18:55:17  hello
19:00:00  I will prepare something and show you later
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