< 1160784005 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "true", do you refer to the Dartmouth timeshare version? < 1160784014 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or BASICA? < 1160784015 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1160784018 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1160784054 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was finding a bunch of conflicting information about it and wanted to find out the truth from the source < 1160784059 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't actually expect a reply < 1160784082 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the question is what did I do with that mail? I know I saved a hardcopy someplace < 1160784119 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think modern niceties like labels, optional line numbering and floating-point values really dillute the language, but it bothers me a lot when I see a "BASIC" that uses curly brackets everywhere, has strict typing, and requires variable predeclaration. < 1160784137 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's pretty funny < 1160784152 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bfbasic should work for you then < 1160784154 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wtf... that's... not basic..." < 1160784168 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah- BFBASIC is a pretty nice piece of software. < 1160784169 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it only has chars < 1160784172 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1160784182 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, it was fun writing it too < 1160784205 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, now that I'm taking this compilers course, I have the urge to rewrite all my old compilers < 1160784224 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, 5200BAS < 1160784237 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wow- I didn't realize you were the author of BFBASIC. < 1160784244 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shakes calamari's hand.
< 1160784317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite way of writing a compiler: design the language so Tcl can parse it for me. :p < 1160784324 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1160784335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works well for BFM, at least. ;) < 1160784372 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lost Kingdom" together with BFBASIC constitute one of the most impressive demonstrations of BF's capabilities to date, in my opinion. < 1160784405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LostKng, BTW, was written in BFBASIC. :p < 1160784415 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what I meant. < 1160784435 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF's capabilities? < 1160784446 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Turing-complete, kid :-P < 1160784451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Turing complete, and can therefore do anything. -_-' < 1160784468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(within reason: no halting problem solving for you) < 1160784469 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in an abstract sense, but in the implementation of an actual complex app. < 1160784481 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a difference between something being possible and being pulled off. < 1160784503 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible to make a C-to-BF compiler, you know. < 1160784510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFMC will be more impressive if Gregor *works on it*. :p < 1160784517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. < 1160784520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C2BF. < 1160784521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1160784532 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a Haskell-to-BF, and Lisp-to-BF, and such. < 1160784540 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curry- and Prolog-to-BF. < 1160784572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: There *is* a C-to-BF, BTW. < 1160784574 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can get around the I/O limitations, it isn't that mind-numbing a concept. < 1160784624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calamari has gotten a way of getting around the I/O limitations. . . < 1160784625 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like an OS written in BF would most likely need a small amount of wrapper code made in another language to get around that problem. < 1160784650 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1160784665 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just leave the I/O bit undefined. < 1160784708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsoAPI. < 1160784742 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsoAPI, eh? < 1160784743 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read about EsoAPI... < 1160784756 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What'd it do, exactly? < 1160784764 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah http://kidsquid.com/programs/esoapi/esoapi.html < 1160784798 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bingo- that would do it. < 1160784798 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: I wrote a tiny bf based os < 1160784812 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it functional? < 1160784822 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsoAPI is just disk access? < 1160784828 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. that depends on your definition of functionall hehe < 1160784834 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1160784854 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you apply it to other operating systems to make even more operating systems? < 1160784868 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an6yhow.. it's that BOS link oin the bottom :) < 1160784896 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically gives you esoapi plus a bf interpreter < 1160784900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens carefully, and adds an EsoAPI wiki page
< 1160784902 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't anything else < 1160784913 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h12.252.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160784924 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, esoapi has been somewhat taken over by pesoix < 1160784940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsoAPI provides for an *idea* of getting complex I/O in Brainfuck, but nothing functional. < 1160784951 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PesoIX? < 1160784959 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Am I capitalizing it right?) < 1160784977 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :) < 1160784988 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. fascinating.. < 1160784989 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: i think it's PESOIX < 1160785035 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, another co-creation with Jon Ripley. < 1160785043 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started implementing PESOIX, but ran into some big problems < 1160785047 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :) < 1160785057 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicks: http://www.google.com/search?q=PESOIX
< 1160785061 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't think we knew each other when he started that < 1160785070 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: http://catseye.mine.nu:8080/projects/pesoix/doc/pesoix.html < 1160785330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might implement PESOIX sometime. . . < 1160785355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I do so, I will, of course, create a BFM library to assist writing PESOIX code. < 1160785373 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I ran into problems when trying to do the fancy i/o wrapping < 1160785387 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a bit of a trick to write software for, but just think of the expanded horizons it offers to esoteric programming... < 1160785399 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the idea was that you could use pesoix to instantly upgrade any i/o capable interpreter < 1160785406 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicks: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/BFM
< 1160785427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Thus why I'd make a library. < 1160785429 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the problem is that i/o streams don't get sent right away.. they get buffered < 1160785447 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: a buffer would be a sensible approach < 1160785452 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err library < 1160785462 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a library is probably the least painful way to make PEOSIX accessible to coders. < 1160785486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could just make an unbuffered interpreter. < 1160785495 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the wrapper program would be even less painful if it worked, because then the interpreter wouldn't have to change at all < 1160785505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. . . < 1160785511 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't work, sadly. < 1160785527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But PESOIX could be done. < 1160785546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I implement it, I'll implement it on top of egobfi. ;) < 1160785674 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day, computers will be fast enough to run BF as fast as they can run compiled C today. BF is going to kick ass in 50 years. < 1160785728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah. < 1160785843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers how to implement pesoixlib. . .
< 1160785950 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you'd want to do after implementing PESOIX would be to write libraries for within BF that would allow you to replicate the majority of the standard C library, (that is, the parts that depend on I/O) thus making semi-practical porting a reality. < 1160785968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: I'd do it in BFM. . . < 1160786353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to work on implementing PESOIX right now. . . < 1160786373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, I'll think of how I could make a slightly more useful API for PESOIX. :p < 1160786433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps access to networking facilities? < 1160786436 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it a new dialect < 1160786442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1160786443 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(easel has networking facilities) < 1160786450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call 0x02! < 1160786471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: It has some CGI facilities. < 1160786536 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about direct memory access (specifically, VRAM) < 1160786554 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I could synthesize a graphics library < 1160786678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With network support, one can call X11. :p < 1160786711 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means your programs would have a dependency chain up the ass. VRAM is lower-level. < 1160786737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an option. < 1160786804 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1160786846 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you aren't going to implement VRAM-access, I claim 0x05 for future use. < 1160786934 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0x05: your one-stop graphics and sound I/O shop!" < 1160786950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided one thing that I'm not going to do. . . < 1160786968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a feature is already in EsoAPI or Easel, it won't go into 0x02. < 1160786984 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally. < 1160786986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One can, with 2 more output characters, switch into one of them to access those features. ;) < 1160787023 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the idea < 1160787055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be a bit annoying for BFM code, though: < 1160787069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toEasel tmp2 < 1160787093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :printAsDecimal foo < 1160787099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to0x05 < 1160787106 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh- you can always build a more convenient syntax for those functions later. < 1160787112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputSoundBit foo < 1160787117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1160787151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just as easily make every pesoixlib macro call "toEasel" or "to0x05", etc. when appropriate. < 1160787171 0 :Arrogant!n=scotty@6.orlando-09-10rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160787179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or extend BFM to make it simpler. :p < 1160787187 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://index.hu/tech/tudomany/ttfkp060327/ <- is that something Hungarian? < 1160787198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tudomany means science, i believe < 1160787281 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, cool- 3d displays? < 1160787628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. . . Yeah. PESOIX. >:D < 1160787656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely hungarian. < 1160787784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't make out whether index.hu is a portal or a news site < 1160787870 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If you are an expert at POSIX, you have everything necessary to implement PESOIX without even touching a language interpreter. Otherwise, g'luck :P < 1160788097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that the EsoAPI dialect is ill-advised - it requires PESOIX to know internals of the esolang. < 1160788123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*esolang implementation < 1160788135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: It's easier to tie in the interpreter to allow for such things as buffered vs. unbuffered input. . . < 1160788144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not impossible, just easier. < 1160788155 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is easier, but less flexible :) < 1160788161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. . . < 1160788177 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI, I will accept any and all patches implementing PESOIX into EgoBF :P < 1160788237 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if they must be run as root and "rm -rf /" after being run too many times? < 1160788239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schweet. < 1160788266 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll run it under virtualization pretending to have Linux on a live CD? < 1160788271 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's run from Linux, right?) < 1160788321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I assume you mean "if well-written". :p < 1160788347 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, he means ALL. < 1160788357 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was just a bit messy, I may be inclined to clean it myself. If it's a total mess, feel free to make a branch ;) < 1160788396 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it won't run under virtualization? < 1160788401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a total mess, stab me with a rust knife. < 1160788427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rusty < 1160788438 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A KNIFE MADE OF RUST < 1160788444 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very effective though :P < 1160788473 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rusts GregorR-L's knife
< 1160788484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could almost be a novel title < 1160788502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: The Easel spec specifies that any unsafe calls (specified in the spec) must be approved by the user. < 1160788520 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if you have a dirty mind, that refers to... well. < 1160788541 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Easel
< 1160788559 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. You lose. < 1160788565 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jonripley.com/easel/api.txt < 1160788595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dialect 0x01 of PEOSIX (and the only one to really have support for file access at the moment). < 1160788612 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1160788616 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an interpreter for Plof in D. < 1160788649 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite complete yet, but it can do while loops and the ilk :P < 1160788657 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof, eh? < 1160788662 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the spec thingy again? < 1160788668 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codu.org/plof/ < 1160788702 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore the plof2js on that web site, I broke it in transitioning to a new server and have been too lazy to fix it :P < 1160788741 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does it have enumerated list thingies and strict left-associative folds? < 1160788746 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, it sucks. < 1160788748 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1160788796 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be more specific with respect to "enumerated lists" < 1160788802 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could mean about eighty things. < 1160788816 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff like "the integer range 7 to 80". < 1160788862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm excited about PEOSIX, just not enough to actually do stuff with it. XD < 1160788872 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1160788884 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Ah - right now in the stdlib, I'm trying to decide whether to move it into a language feature. < 1160788898 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both? < 1160788902 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1160788916 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it automatically optimize everything? < 1160788927 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No - hence wanting to move them into the language itself ;) < 1160788947 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what optimization rules are for. < 1160788976 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would continue, but have to go, time to go home. < 1160788986 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff like "change reverse . foobar to reverseFoobar and barfoo . reverse into barfooReverse". < 1160788994 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except each in its own rule :-P < 1160789002 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"kill(getpid(), SIGWEEKEND)" < 1160789957 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1160790246 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: btw, I was using 0x02 for my pesoix implementation :) < 1160790262 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since it hasn't been released.. go ahead < 1160790270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1160790782 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1160791217 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nduru, Moyiga. "Is 'Cull' a Four-Letter Word?", Inter Press Service, December 5, 2005. Retrieved on May 12, 2006. < 1160791232 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think it is a four-letter word, seeing as how it has four letters in it. < 1160791265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is starting to have worries about ihope's ability to understand connotations
< 1160791323 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1160791989 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160793730 0 :kipple_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1160794977 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!" < 1160795025 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160796823 0 :ihope!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160796836 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a !google command for EgoBot. < 1160796843 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get to work on those daemons, guys! < 1160796878 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1160796883 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure you could do that as a daemon :P < 1160796894 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But EgoBot is OSS - if somebody makes a patch, I'll accept it. < 1160796917 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't do that as a daemon? < 1160796928 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need net access. < 1160796949 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need Internet access to tell that the top Google result for "foobar" is" http://www.google.com/search?btnI=I&q=foobar". < 1160796964 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1160798170 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.08.09" < 1160799248 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION possesses a commodore 64!
< 1160799264 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I just need to get the damn thing to work... < 1160800319 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have criticized Java before, and while my criticisms stand, I must say I'm sorry for ragging so hard on Java. < 1160800325 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ deserves it much much more. < 1160800364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: They both deserve it equally. < 1160800404 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, Java is just slow and badly implemented. C++ is plain bad. < 1160800448 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: Meh. I prefer a decent functional language. . . < 1160800454 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Agreed. < 1160800461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including Tcl, the functional language that thinks its an imperative one. :p < 1160800481 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm attempting to write a SWIG wrapper for C++ code in the aftermath of a fever. < 1160800534 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm just making my fever worse. < 1160800560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merely your insanity. < 1160800623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been trying to figure out some guy's attempts at making a simple Brainfuck interpreter. . .
< 1160800633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's driving me nuts. < 1160800646 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this person is determined to use everything C++. < 1160800650 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG input stream iterators. < 1160800657 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG templates! Who needs structs?! < 1160800680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::cout << "Why couldn't we just use printf?!?" << std::end; < 1160800710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("Joy, the sanity of C is here."); < 1160800725 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writefln("D is better than both C and C++"); < 1160800741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts "Well, that goes without saying." < 1160800743 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, but only if I can wrap it first. < 1160800765 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :println("Plof looks a lot like D in this case :P"); < 1160800782 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(display "Well, whatever floats your boat") < 1160800818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putStrLn "Can I join the discussion?" < 1160800826 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(display "Sure!") < 1160800850 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar = println; < 1160800868 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, knowledgeable people of #esoteric, what's an input stream iterator? < 1160800895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence_ $ concatMap putChar $ "Sanity is overrated" ++ toEnum 10 < 1160800909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*map < 1160801030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftxtgen We're esoteric. < 1160801034 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1160801039 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1160801040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!txtgen We're esoteric. < 1160801044 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1160801047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah! < 1160801092 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen We're esoteric. < 1160801108 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :130 ++++++++++++++[>++++++++>++++++>+++>+++<<<<-]>>+++.++++++++++++++.>---.<<++.>.>-------.<.<+.----.+++++.>.<--.---------.>--.>>++++. [705] < 1160801113 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pwned. < 1160801119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{M[m(_o)O!"There we go. . . A *real* language!"(_o)o.?]} < 1160801176 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1160801271 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, again, what is an input stream iterator? < 1160801329 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something which implements the interface of an iterator, but actually reads input, I'd imagine. < 1160801351 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You young-uns and yer fancy OOP wards. < 1160801372 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you use an input stream iterator is a more pertinent question, I guess. < 1160801451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(message "Surely we're *all* Emacs users, right?") < 1160801496 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(display "Let's use Lisp from the dark ages!!!111!!!") < 1160801532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defun no () (message "No, thanks; I'm good.")) < 1160801539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 PRINT "No, I use vim" < 1160801557 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm fairly certain that that's BASIC, not Vim. XD < 1160801573 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define dark-ages "I like using 20 different syntactical forms!!!!111!!!") < 1160801576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no) < 1160801615 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dark-ages) < 1160801621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::%s/BASIC/vim/g < 1160801652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Vi written in BASIC? < 1160801654 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no) < 1160801683 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modified: oerjan: I'm fairly certain that that's vim, not Vim. XD < 1160801710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't parse vi syntax. < 1160801723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give it to me in an Elisp sexp, and I might obey. < 1160801725 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't know sed-style regexps? < 1160801917 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160801952 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed is lovely. < 1160801992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: I'll only parse his statements if he does it in Elisp. :p < 1160802005 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1160802038 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think at this point it'll be more fruitful to attempt to read Japanese than reading C++ code. < 1160802058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it always? < 1160802076 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I had a noble goal in mind. I was trying to wrap it in SWIG to take it out of the clutches of C++. < 1160802117 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to be fun to attempt, because *everything* that's used is an object (except argc). < 1160802142 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hi Razor-X. Haven't seen you in a while. How goes it? < 1160802144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems a bit excessively OOP. < 1160802157 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too bad. Just somewhat sick. < 1160802194 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the author *really* have to use std::ios_base::skipws ? < 1160802247 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in the midst of attempting to nurse a commodore 64 back to health. < 1160802256 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1160802261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Install UNIX on it. < 1160802281 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: maybe later. First, I need to get the video output working. < 1160802285 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming he can get a floppy with a UNIX variant for the C64. < 1160802304 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@58.77.172.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1160802309 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hld.c64.org/poldi/lunix/lunix.html < 1160802313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: There's one online (I'll link it as soon as I can bother). < 1160802314 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking I might eventually get an ethernet interface for it, and install ConTiki < 1160802317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Gregor linked it. < 1160802333 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1160802651 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can SWIG target D? < 1160802698 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bcd.gen can target D :) < 1160802708 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bcd.gen? < 1160802718 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My C[++] .h -> D import converter < 1160802731 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work well? < 1160802764 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works quite well with C, less so with C++ ... it converts FLTK2, but nothing too template-ful and even less using STL :( < 1160802810 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this probably fails then. < 1160802864 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1160802875 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But C++->C with SWIG then C->D with bcd.gen would "work" :P < 1160802895 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would be hard to convert this to a non-OOP form. < 1160802917 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking Java, since the CPU intensive stuff is taken care of in this library anyhow. < 1160802928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A text editor would work best. :p < 1160802930 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it would be good practice when I decide to take the test later on. < 1160804915 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night-all < 1160804932 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1160805130 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1160805692 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1160805794 0 :bsmntbom1dood!n=gavin@adsl-70-250-178-101.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160806085 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1160806259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1160806460 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later, everyone. < 1160806573 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1160809383 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1160812799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1160812800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1160814824 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1160818405 0 :tgwizard!n=tgwizard@c-cb3de155.178-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1160820640 0 :jix!n=jix@L625e.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1160823034 0 :Arrogant!i=Scott@206.orlando-04-05rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160824989 0 :kipple_!n=kipple@167.80-202-102.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1160828552 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1160835081 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1160835106 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the volume of a pizza with thickness a and diameter z? < 1160835114 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, *radius* z < 1160835387 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: regarding your remarks about fever... Orthagonal (sic) was produced by a guy with a high fever, so maybe it helps esolanging < 1160841573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi*z^2*a < 1160844143 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM pi*z*z*a < 1160844147 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1160844158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. < 1160844165 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION took 14 hours to get that joke when he first saw it.
< 1160845001 0 :kipple_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160845013 0 :kipple_!n=kipple@167.80-202-102.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1160846461 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160847328 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160847353 0 :RodgerTheGreat!n=RodgerTh@wads-5-233-121.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1160847373 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1160847378 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1160847423 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up? < 1160847435 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me.. just got up :P < 1160847446 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here. < 1160847456 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1160847507 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to figure out why my truck is having trouble starting < 1160847530 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm a computer nerd rather than a mechanic :/ < 1160847622 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too bad car hardware isn't as modular and standardized as computer hardware. < 1160847746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to contemplate implementing PESOIX. . . < 1160847748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whooo. < 1160852640 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1160853616 0 :Razor-X`!n=user@user-11fa9mk.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1160853636 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1160853777 0 :Razor-X`!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Razor-X < 1160858014 0 :ihope!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160858310 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1160859930 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn2-0-0-cust919.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1160859933 0 :l-_-l!i=l-_-l@bb220-255-94-59.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1160859984 0 :l-_-l!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1160860013 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|-_-| < 1160860067 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need an esoteric language that's hard to run on anything but, say, PowerPC. < 1160860091 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do go on. < 1160860149 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I wonder whether PowerPC would fit that criterion. < 1160861359 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps d < 1160861363 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 EgoBot: daemon EgoBot reload < 1160861365 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 GregorR-L: daemon cat bf < 1160861367 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 ihope: ps < 1160861391 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fatal exception 0E has occurred at 0137:BFFA21C9. The current application will be terminated. < 1160861428 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1160861445 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor! Have you been running EgoBot on Windows again? < 1160861704 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Har har har. < 1160861731 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody knows how to make me talk, it's not impressive. < 1160861759 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, GregorR has logs, hope. < 1160861763 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ihope < 1160861808 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have at least pretended somebody else did it :-P < 1160861884 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat cat < 1160861887 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat < 1160861999 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you're bent on abusing EgoBot, I'll just impersonate you. < 1160862013 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, eh? But actually--oh, say... < 1160862298 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope has multiple !cat-personality disorder. < 1160862317 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1160862335 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will eat you, ihope !!! < 1160862351 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aah! < 1160862387 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away
< 1160862417 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... < 1160862419 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away
< 1160862423 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't catch me, I'm the Gingerbread Man!!! < 1160862450 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I think different thought processes of EgoBot are having lag :P < 1160862457 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1160862459 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION catches EgoBot
< 1160862466 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah! < 1160862483 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :残念ねぇぇぇ < 1160862497 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omgjapanese < 1160862514 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems EgoBot's thought proccesses can't understand each other either! < 1160862520 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*processes < 1160862537 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fail at spelling. < 1160862561 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadness. < 1160862732 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal is so stupid. He disrupted the hours long silence. < 1160862893 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1160862930 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I wanted to see if we were going for record-breaking silence again. < 1160862951 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about we all be silent, then? < 1160863005 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can't do that. < 1160863009 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The silence has been broken. < 1160863035 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then, let's be silent again at 5PM my time. < 1160863043 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What timezone are you in? < 1160863049 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 2PM your time. < 1160863061 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your time by my clock. < 1160863064 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright. Let's talk for 3 more minutes then. < 1160863068 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1160863075 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. How's life? < 1160863090 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic < 1160863094 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a half. < 1160863106 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My life has not yet ended. < 1160863109 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two minutes left. < 1160863128 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's excellent ihope. < 1160863135 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How goes the C64, RodgerTheGreat ? < 1160863137 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the weather for everyone? < 1160863145 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful. < 1160863147 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes well, but it still fails to function. < 1160863151 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm sick, so it's just that more beautiful. < 1160863159 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good. < 1160863163 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No fever yet though. That'll come later in the day. < 1160863172 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will we begin talking again after this? < 1160863178 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask ihope. < 1160863180 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some hours. < 1160863192 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1160863192 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever we feel like it. < 1160863192 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two, then. < 1160863194 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thirty seconds. I will not announce again, and I advise you to be silent immediately. < 1160863197 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that defeats the purpose < 1160863208 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about .017 hours? < 1160863211 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1160863215 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent. < 1160863241 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 seconds. < 1160863251 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agh! < 1160863261 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You broke the silence! < 1160863268 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, *you* did! < 1160863283 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My clock said the silence had already started when you said that! < 1160863289 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my clock is PERFECT! < 1160863291 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My clock said it hadn't! < 1160863332 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. My colck was an enormous 23 seconds off. < 1160863345 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try again in another minute. < 1160863347 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clock < 1160863364 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we'll stay silent for 0.017 hours. < 1160863377 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. 1.02 minutes. < 1160863382 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1160863385 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1160863390 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the best precision Emacs's calculator can give me. < 1160863397 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might as well start now. < 1160863412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could calculate it with Hugs if you want. < 1160863421 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEATHEN! < 1160863424 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGH! < 1160863431 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could calculate it in Mathematica. < 1160863440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, is there something wrong with Haskell now? < 1160863456 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's "1." : repeat '6'. < 1160863481 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about we all do it by the server clock? < 1160863487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you mean ++ not : < 1160863488 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which server? < 1160863503 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... < 1160863519 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't tell me the different servers have different clocks. < 1160863520 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you all just check my localtime, I base my computer's clock upon apple time servers. < 1160863528 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then. RodgerTheGreat time. < 1160863532 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1160863550 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll start at 17:06:00 Rodger time and go until 17:07:02 Rodger time. < 1160863561 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awesome. < 1160863591 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell us when RodgerTheGreat. < 1160863599 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forehead slaps
< 1160863609 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs out loud
< 1160863612 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=== CTCP time reply ``Sat Oct 14 17:06:07 2006'' from RodgerTheGreat < 1160863619 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Tell us when RodgerTheGreat. < 1160863621 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that order. < 1160863635 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout doing it Razor-X time then? < 1160863637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is not going very well. is there not some esoteric programming language based on silence we could use for assistance? < 1160863657 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps an esoteric programming language based on time. < 1160863660 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just all be silent in ##quantum. < 1160863672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the whole universe disappears! < 1160863672 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be an interesting way to control program flow. < 1160863674 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're always silent there anyways. < 1160863676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He only has half a brain. < 1160863693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was temporally out of place. < 1160863698 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also use Metric Time, but no-one really likes that. < 1160863701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was looking up in the logs without knowing it
< 1160863725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is metric time? < 1160863731 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not even in ##quantum most of the time. < 1160863742 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, almost .6 of the local day is finished. < 1160863751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never been observed in ##quantum.
< 1160863766 0 :Sarta2!n=Sartak@c-24-128-121-242.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160863784 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More accurately, .58598 of the day is finished. < 1160863803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, your velocity and position are both undefined. < 1160863804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :metric time cannot be based on days. it's seconds that are the SI unit. < 1160863806 0 :Eidolos!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1160863815 0 :Sarta2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Eidolos < 1160863885 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I've been making avatars for a bunch of people in my home channel, ##Nonlogic. (which is quite a bustling community these days) Anyone here want one? < 1160863944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh! Oooh! < 1160863983 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avatars. get them while they're hot. < 1160863996 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But metric is not SI. < 1160864039 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like hot-dogs, but with a lower allowable percentage of bug parts. < 1160864049 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hot dogs give me indigestion. < 1160864059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah. < 1160864075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SI is based on metric. < 1160864090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the second may have been a later addition. < 1160864107 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razor-X: I'll bet these won't, further proving their superiority to hot-dogs. < 1160864180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, if metric were based on days it wouldn't be .58598 days but 585980 microdays. < 1160864224 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1160864307 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: Excellent. < 1160864369 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever change my last name, it will become Nossex. < 1160864383 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In lament of lost Sussex's partner. < 1160864399 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. I can readily see how that relates to the previous conversational thread. < 1160864402 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus it's very British-y. < 1160864414 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes. It's very on-topic. < 1160864418 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as "lament's lost partner, Sussex"... < 1160864432 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1160864453 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if someone says ``Hi'' I can read that as ``You're a f***ing slut'' but I don't. < 1160864498 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classy, huh? < 1160864510 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that tremendously amusing. < 1160864527 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may I add that to the nonlogic QDB? < 1160864534 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go ahead. < 1160864623 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :behold: http://zashi.nonlogic.org/nip/index.php < 1160864628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99/me already has a British-y last name. . . Whoo. < 1160864670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION already has a British-y last name. . . Whoo.
< 1160864755 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder. When someone possesses a name that is a commonly understood descriptor of some kind, are they naturally inclined to either match that description closely, or rebel against it so as to personify the diametric opposite? < 1160864759 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly both. < 1160864767 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or either, rather. < 1160864778 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both? < 1160864798 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck on that... unless your name is Thomas Contradictory or something. < 1160864818 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thomas Contradictoryofownlastname. < 1160864856 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our high school doesen't have enough money for something as specialized as electronics. < 1160864891 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my high-school combined engineering class and electronics class as a cost-cutting measure. < 1160864895 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We only have basic theoretical sciences, AP theoretical sciences, and a bit by the way of biology where you get to learn in detail how animals poop, mate, sleep, eat, and continue this circle ad-infinitum. < 1160864907 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of our projects consisted of building things with printer paper and tape. < 1160864942 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, every other girl loves biology. I mean, who doesen't find pooping, mating, sleeping, and eating interesting? < 1160864970 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I find biology interesting, but not for that reason at all. < 1160864982 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, biology is a wide subject. < 1160864990 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biology is like lego-chemistry. < 1160865006 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like biochemistry, but I hate animal behavior, which seems like everyone's favorite part. < 1160865013 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can view cellular processes as a type of computer. < 1160865090 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm particularly fascinated by the self-assembly within the cell, and the complex process of DNA and RNA transcription. < 1160865133 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RNA itself can fold into simple enzymes, which is a revelation when you start thinking about what must've gone on in the initial formation of life. < 1160865142 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my favorite part too. < 1160865145 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1160865156 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But most people seem to hate it. I guess it's a lot more complicated than animal behavior. < 1160865199 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard most of AP Biology is devoted to animal behavior. < 1160865233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biochemistry's much more interesting. < 1160865243 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like normal chemistry. :p < 1160865245 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I took AP Bio, it wasn't like that at all. < 1160865258 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting, but only to a point :P < 1160865269 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate normal chemistry, but that may have had more to do with my chemistry teacher in high-school. < 1160865270 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1160865273 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Organic Chemistry is so different from normal chemistry, it's incredible. < 1160865294 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like the concept of molecular modularity. < 1160865308 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting, but so much of it can only be learned by rote. < 1160865332 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Veni, vidi, vbnm,./ (I came, I saw, I fell asleep on the keyboard.) < 1160865356 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part I found most interesting about chemistry was... quatum chemistry :P. < 1160865370 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was my main problem with the class- huge tables that had to be memorized, and equations and processes that didn't really make logical sense in a coherent fashion- they "just work". < 1160865371 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physics is also pretty boring, until we can get to magnetism and electronics. < 1160865382 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: No, that's what Chemistry *is*. < 1160865395 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1160865399 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike physics, there's very little logic in Chemistry. It's all experimentation. < 1160865407 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Organic chemistry is even worse by that regards. < 1160865432 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought mechanics in physics class was interesting, mainly because I can apply it to a great number of programming projects. < 1160865432 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quantum chemistry < 1160865449 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... maybe mechanics will be interesting, I haven't gotten to it yet. < 1160865456 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :electromagnetics seemed a little less applicable. < 1160865469 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First we worked on forces, now we're working on heat transfer. < 1160865488 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And AP Chemistry goes into heat transfer much much much deeper than AP Physics seems to. < 1160865576 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders just what ##quantum is
< 1160865591 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was really funny to take high-school Psych after having been in AP Bio- I kept correcting my teacher on how neurochemistry works, and all the anatomy portions were a breeze. < 1160865600 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h186.236.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160865606 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1160865630 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My AP Physics teacher, double major from Princeton with Physics and Chemistry, has forgotten his Calculus and most of his trigonometry. < 1160865638 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either he's going senile, or .... < 1160865639 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1160865657 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or he's finding it hard to care anymore. < 1160865679 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how can you forget the derivative once you learn it? < 1160865700 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm never going to forget how to take a polynomial derivative, that's for sure. < 1160865706 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I can understeand forgetting things like the Intermediate Value Theorem, but how can you forget the very basics of Calculus? < 1160865714 0 :Eidolos!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: You say that now.. :) < 1160865718 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be easy to get pretty rusty on some of the more complex rules. < 1160865731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely one could remember lim_h->0 (f(x+h)-f(x))/h, at least? < 1160865738 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even. < 1160865754 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're turning a secand line into a tangent line, making the delta between the two points of the secand line approach zero. < 1160865771 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can remember that concept, and remember what a limit is, that's it. < 1160865780 0 :Razor-X!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*secant < 1160865783 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm never going to forget *that*. Know why? I have a pile of java objects in my "reusable" folders, one of which is designed for manipulating polynomials. It isn't done, but it can take derivatives. < 1160865810 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My code library exists so that I don't constantly forget how to do things. < 1160865962 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1160867630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will soon reboot into 2.6.18-gentoo. . .
< 1160867935 0 :bsmntbom1dood!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1160868023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160868549 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@67-21-19-37.clspco.adelphia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160868675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1160868735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm. . . New kernely goodness. < 1160868986 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160869095 0 :jix!n=jix@L625e.l.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1160869295 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1160869649 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1160869823 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1160869913 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1160869932 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160870307 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric