< 1159920096 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get the stroke of genious first, I am not sure how to incorperate it in to the language < 1159920149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that, I *think* you've got +-><., done. < 1159920193 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|wez|: and what's your native language? < 1159920204 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian < 1159920215 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1159920228 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1159920229 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the one that's like swedish but with a potato in your mouth? < 1159920235 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i think that's dutch < 1159920256 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like durch whitout the potato and beer < 1159920266 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dutch < 1159920358 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: swedish with a potato in my mouth would be danish < 1159920385 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1159920663 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in brainfuck how exactly does [] works? I guess it is a while loop, but what values does it check for? < 1159920753 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@unaffiliated/bsmntbombdood JOIN :#esoteric < 1159920767 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pink ones < 1159920817 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, i thought it was the ones colored #7f7f7f < 1159921474 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm so [] only checks if current pointer is zero or not, if it is not continue the while loop, that shouldn't be to hard to implement in MonkeyCode < 1159922259 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the intuitive definition of turing-completeness is: < 1159922282 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can make it out of two apples, a roll of string and a piece of cardboard, it's turing-complete < 1159922309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Wrong. < 1159922320 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no. < 1159922374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I can create an abacus from that, but it wouldn't be Turing complete. < 1159922379 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 4 objects represent a binary value, which is an instruction. how they change over time defines the program! < 1159922421 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's about how you use it < 1159922438 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: soo, everything is turing-complete, since we have macGyver? < 1159922440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Your definition is wrong, however. < 1159922452 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: my definitions are never wrong. By definition. < 1159922470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One can create something that's not Turing complete from that; you said that if you can create something with that, then it's Turing complete. < 1159922492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, your definition is wrong. QED. < 1159922531 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove your first premise. < 1159922534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your definition was just wrong. Therefore, your definition of a "definition" is, itself, wrong. < 1159922552 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|--O--O--| < 1159922559 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your FACE is wrong. < 1159922623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have there a trinary abacus (the cardboard is in half, the string is drawn between its two halves and tied to it, and the string goes through the apples), with only one digit. < 1159922628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is clearly not Turing complete. < 1159922653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, one can create something that's not Turing complete from 2 apples, a piece of cardboard, and string. QED. < 1159922675 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a fault in your proof. < 1159922683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is? < 1159922687 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1159922715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you were wrong to say that there's a fault in my proof. < 1159922723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to elementry logic. < 1159922723 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is obviously critical since it leads you to an incorrect conclusion. < 1159922738 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! You misspelled 'elementary'! < 1159922745 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S it. < 1159922747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "correct" conclusion itself wasn't proven correct. < 1159922758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my misspelling wasn't part of the proof. < 1159922813 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can prove the correct conclusion. < 1159922834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, do so. < 1159922846 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll prove the contrapositive, that is, anything which is not turing-complete is not made out of two apples, a roll of string and a piece of cardboard. < 1159922872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just disproved the contrapositive. < 1159922878 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a simple inductive proof. < 1159922895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. Allow me to disprove it. < 1159922901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You first. < 1159922901 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You haven't seen it yet. < 1159922923 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider any non-turing-complete object X. < 1159922945 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By definition, X is of a lower computational class than a turing machine. < 1159922964 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore X can be emulated by a turing-machine. < 1159922981 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two apples, a roll of string and a piece of cardboard cannot be emulated by a turing machine. < 1159922991 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, X is not made out of aforementioned materials. < 1159923032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one can emulate this in a Turing-complete machine. < 1159923039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider the universe. < 1159923053 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universe isn't Turing-complete, being finite < 1159923077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universe's finite state hasn't been proven. < 1159923087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be either finite or infinite. < 1159923104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, it's finite existence in the dimension of time hasn't been proven. < 1159923127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, the universe fits the *practical* definition of Turing completeness. < 1159923161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It emulates many finite-state automata, which (except for the infinite memory requirement) are Turing complete. < 1159923182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These finite-state automata, you may know as "personal computers". < 1159923221 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you consider finite state machines to be turing complete, you are rather outrageously misguided and deluded. < 1159923222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the universe is clearly pratically Turing complete (which, BTW, is the definition we should be dealing with, as we are merely talking about practical devices). < 1159923251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: They are *practically* Turing complete; that is, if they had access to an infinite storage device, they would be Turing complete. < 1159923254 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not talking about practical devices. I have never seen a practical device made from two apples, a roll of string and a piece of cardboard. < 1159923264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|--O-O--| < 1159923272 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One-digit trinary abacus. < 1159923279 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's practical???? < 1159923279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely it exists in practice. < 1159923306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: For this definition of practical (can actually be made in our finite universe and used), yes, it is practical. < 1159923319 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you keep redefining things < 1159923324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm not. < 1159923331 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not, but you do. < 1159923338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I merely paid attention in Computer Science 101. : < 1159923340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1159923342 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You keep abusing grammar, too. < 1159923368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's IRC; if you can understand it, don't give a fuck. < 1159923377 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps English is not your native language. To make communication easier, I will switch to toki pona. < 1159923391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you failed Logic 101, as well. < 1159923407 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toki ni li pona ala pona tawa sina? < 1159923419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have so far not actually argued against my logic. You've argued against everything *but* my logic. < 1159923424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't speak Toki Pona. < 1159923431 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mi pilin e ni: sina sona ala e ilo Turing. < 1159923436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a native English speaker, damn it. < 1159923461 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ni li pona :) < 1159923471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cxu vi parolas Esperanton? < 1159923496 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toki Epelanto li ike tawa mi. toki Epelanto li kalama ike! < 1159924311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koroshitai. < 1159924311 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1159924311 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1159924311 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: what < 1159924311 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a language! < 1159924311 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1159924311 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1159924311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has so far used 3 different languages < 1159924311 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( :) =|;{> :| < 1159924311 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Bulgarian. < 1159924311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm contemplating using a fourth: dumbass. < 1159924311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1159924311 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq hates me :( < 1159924311 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's okay, i would hate me too if i were him. < 1159924311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't hate you; I just think you're playing a fool for fun & profit. < 1159924311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will hate you after a few more hours of this, though. :p < 1159924823 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, what was that? < 1159924829 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The... hmm. < 1159925983 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.08.09" < 1159926721 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1159928698 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1159928704 0 :|wez|!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1159930540 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1159932000 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"haaaaaaaaaa" < 1159932735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1159932905 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1159932924 0 :lindi-!n=lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1159934006 0 :Arrogant!i=Scott@118.orlando-09rh15-16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1159937576 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-200-73-175.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1159938604 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1159940256 0 :GregorR-L!n=GregorR-@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1159941249 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1159942358 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" < 1159943958 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1159946683 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1159948799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1159948800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1159949313 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1159992379 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1159992379 0 :clog!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1159994536 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf61f7.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1159994951 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h37.233.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1159995153 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC" < 1159995713 0 :ivan`!i=ivan@wikipedia/ivan JOIN :#esoteric < 1159997424 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi and bye to the several of you < 1159997442 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as appropriate) < 1159997952 0 :ivan`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" < 1159998661 0 :calamari!n=Kid@cb03.cs.arizona.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1159998674 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht" < 1159998694 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1159998973 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1159999006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :de ho < 1159999034 0 :CakeProphet!n=CakeProp@h37.233.213.151.ip.alltel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160000041 0 :tgwizard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1160000848 0 :Arrogant!i=Scott@157.orlando-06-08rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160000920 0 :Keymaker!n=nobody@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1160001158 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/programs/aura/hey.aura < 1160001165 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/programs/aura/loop.aura < 1160001218 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/index.php?page=langs&lang=Aura < 1160001294 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, should've linked only the last link, as it has the other two linked in it. oh well < 1160001462 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.donotputthebaby.com/index.php?s=Condom < 1160001667 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot folk here today. anyways.. termination.. < 1160001669 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1160001921 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1160001930 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: hehe.. my wife is due in April... so I guess we followed that one ;) < 1160001992 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here was an ipod color test http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/iPodLinux/M4100002.JPG < 1160002014 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, awesome 8-D < 1160002037 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in regular graphics mode it is fine.. but that was a console using ansi escape sequences < 1160002056 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I need to debug it < 1160002080 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, underline, bold, low intensity, reverse video don't work properly < 1160002394 0 :ihope!n=foo@c-71-205-100-59.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1160002535 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1160002551 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1160003734 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders where a description of Aura is. < 1160003755 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is currently reading the interpreter < 1160003878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems more like a debugger - it prints the memory contents before each step < 1160004129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has fun with Brainfuck Golf. . . < 1160004248 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing quite like the 'ol BFG. < 1160004268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1160004280 0 :paparent!n=paparent@197-80-252-216-dsl.enter-net.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1160004291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's the good man making it happen. < 1160004449 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see your 42-instruction solution. < 1160004497 0 :paparent!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did you tell about the golf ? < 1160004506 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1160004510 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 instructions. < 1160004539 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we probably should've explained more. < 1160004540 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It outputs ")". < 1160004550 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, good idea. < 1160004558 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the challenge: output the lowercase letters a through z < 1160004565 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my best: 45. < 1160004572 0 :paparent!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my best: 44 < 1160004572 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sheesh, it might be easy. < 1160004621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard part is getting a small solution. < 1160004631 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks to feesh's score of 56, my ego remains intact < 1160004638 0 :paparent!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1160004649 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah. My first try was 48, and I didn't really have any trouble *doing* it. < 1160004674 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting because you have to initialize two constants, and there are many ways to fiddle with things. < 1160004681 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrapping cells ranging from 0 to 255, infinite to the right, starting on the leftmost cell? < 1160004700 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contest/reference interpreter are here: http://paparent.nonlogic.org/index.php/brainfuck) < 1160004741 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I believe you're correct, ihope. < 1160004774 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed with my solutions nonwrapping cells, but pikhq says they work. < 1160004849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is a two-cell wrapping solution. < 1160004902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, just for the hell of it, I rewrote it into BFM. . . < 1160004918 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that was coming, sooner or later. < 1160004923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, duh. < 1160004942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I *could* be lazy and just use "brainfucktobfm.tcl". . . < 1160004947 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, is that "papa rent" or "pa parent"? < 1160004958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Produces inefficient BFM code, though. < 1160004961 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking "pa parent" < 1160004985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And inefficient C code from bfmc. . . < 1160005010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, now that I've fixed the accidental pointer arithmetic issue, works quite nicely again. < 1160005011 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'l be impressed when you can copy and paste the challenge description into BFM and then generate a solution that only takes 40. < 1160005039 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does it in 48 commands < 1160005055 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse than Rodger but better than feesh :-) < 1160005072 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1160005088 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably did it like my first try- I had 48 originally. < 1160005091 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rewrites certain things < 1160005163 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down to 46. < 1160005176 0 :paparent!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: nice :P < 1160005183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine has two loops. . . :) < 1160005194 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine has three. < 1160005196 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1160005202 0 :paparent!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've one < 1160005227 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++(...)+++++.+.+.(...)+.+. ;) < 1160005245 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets confused by his code and scraps it, then starts over < 1160005252 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1160005256 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: we have a winner! < 1160005270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: That's 149 characters. < 1160005281 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And valid Brainfuck Audio. :p < 1160005282 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: thanks, I was hoping someone would tell me < 1160005288 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha true < 1160005289 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was 148. < 1160005297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :97 26 2*+pq < 1160005319 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++(...)+++++ is 97 commands, no? < 1160005328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . Argh. It would be 148. < 1160005332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: Yes. < 1160005333 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1160005374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :97 26 2*1-+pq < 1160005392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the *right* solution. . . < 1160005420 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say I understand your notation. < 1160005424 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it BFM? < 1160005441 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's describing the cells. < 1160005465 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it pretty much makes sense. < 1160005479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: No, it's dc input. < 1160005495 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc? < 1160005506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In infix notation, "97+26*2-1". < 1160005524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc is a calculator on *n*x which uses RPN. < 1160005631 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"97 26 2*1-+pq" doesn't look reverse to me. < 1160005638 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish notation = suffix, no? < 1160005646 0 :Eidolos!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prefix < 1160005657 0 :Eidolos!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in Lisp) < 1160005682 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Polish notation, also known as prefix notation, is a form of notation for logic, arithmetic, and algebra." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_notation < 1160005689 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still suffix notation :-P < 1160005706 0 :Eidolos!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suffix is end, prefix is beginning.. < 1160005722 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um ... < 1160005732 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish notation is prefix notation, REVERSE polish notation is suffix notation. < 1160005750 0 :paparent!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry guys, need to go now :P < 1160005752 0 :paparent!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun ! < 1160005755 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 44 is the best so far? < 1160005760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: 42. < 1160005768 0 :paparent!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lemme a PM if you got something < 1160005769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My solution. ;) < 1160005769 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok < 1160005912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. i have the implementer/designer of Aura under suspicion of not understanding C arrays start at index zero... < 1160005914 0 :RodgerTh1Great!n=RodgerTh@wads-5-233-121.resnet.mtu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1160006187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i take that back, after some pondering.