00:11:17 <CakeProphet> Hmmm... okay.
00:11:23 <CakeProphet> I present ye all with a challenge.
00:11:29 <CakeProphet> A collaborative challenge.
00:11:35 <CakeProphet> Simulate brainfuck with wikisyntax.
00:11:49 <CakeProphet> I feel like proving wikisyntax is turing complete.
00:13:13 <GreyKnight> we need some sort of reward for these challenges >:-(
00:14:09 <CakeProphet> It'd be really shoddy... but I'm thinking we could use a {{BFarray}} template that contains a bunch of if templates... each one checking a number... if the parameter of the template equals a number in one of the ifs... then the BFarray template will return something.
00:14:46 <CakeProphet> but... how would you alter the returned templates any deeper?
00:15:30 <GregorR-W> I feel like wiki syntax is probably not TC.
00:15:53 <CakeProphet> I think it's possible... just... insanely difficult.
00:16:22 <CakeProphet> It has control flow... something similar to variables... and returnable functions that intake parameters... so.... it's pretty close.
00:17:01 <GreyKnight> Looking at semi-Thue systems might be instructive if you're looking into this
00:17:16 <GreyKnight> ISTM there's some connection between the two
00:18:40 <GregorR-W> Recursion/iteration?
00:19:12 <GreyKnight> well, the whole idea of computing by replacing strings with each other
00:19:40 <GregorR-W> I was actually asking CakeProphet if there's recursion or iteration :P
00:20:02 <GreyKnight> ...I knew that!
00:20:30 <CakeProphet> Well... wikimedia software purposely blocks infinite loops to prevent.. uh... well..
00:20:31 <CakeProphet> you know.
00:20:34 <CakeProphet> infinite loops.
00:21:00 <CakeProphet> iteration... don't think so... but given the tools you have you -might- be able to create iteration... somehow...
00:21:04 <GreyKnight> Well, you're only interested in the language, not the implementation
00:21:31 <CakeProphet> The software prevents infinite loops... but otherwise I'd say it's possible to do recursion.
00:22:07 <CakeProphet> If they can make an if template out of scratch... I'm guessing iteration is possible too.
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00:24:15 <CakeProphet> It can also except input... in the form of the <inputbox> code... which could be used to alter templates... which are going to be the building blocks of any sort of TC wikisyntax.
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02:55:36 <Razor-X> I hate Wiki markup, so I'd rather prove TeX is turing complete... but that's trivial to prove :P.
02:56:36 <Razor-X> Do I get a reward for implementing the Ackermann function in Scheme, CakeProphet ?
02:56:43 <Razor-X> And the entire 1.5 minutes I spend on it?
02:57:01 <CakeProphet> ......no
02:57:08 <Razor-X> Aww man.
02:57:19 <Razor-X> But, because of that, I feel like plotting this function on a 3D graph.
02:57:42 * GreyKnight gives Razor-X a tasty bun as a prize
02:57:53 <Razor-X> Yay! IRC tasty bun!
02:58:29 * GreyKnight gives up trying to draw an ASCII bun
02:59:05 <Razor-X> Did you enter the competition, by the way?
02:59:15 <CakeProphet> >.>
03:00:19 <Razor-X> Wha?
03:00:39 <GreyKnight> .,.
03:01:26 <Razor-X> Wha?
03:02:02 <GreyKnight> ?ahW
03:02:28 <Razor-X> Yes.
03:02:49 <GreyKnight> 'W\'h\'a\'?\
03:03:29 <Razor-X> #\W#\ #\h#\ #\a#\?#\!
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04:12:10 <GreyKnight> (defun ackermann (a b) (cond ((= a 0) (1+ b))  ((and (> a 0)(= b 0)) (ackermann (1- a) 1))  ((and (> a 0)(> b 0)) (ackermann (1- a) (ackermann a (1- b)))) ))
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05:09:17 <Sgeo> Night all.
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05:27:05 <Razor-X> What if I feed it a non-integer?
05:27:13 <Razor-X> *Burn*.
05:29:12 <GreyKnight> Well, non-integers don't exist in the language yet :-P
05:29:34 <GreyKnight> well, non-integral numbers, I mean
05:29:34 <Razor-X> Wow. Sounds mighty useful :P.
05:29:45 <Razor-X> Time to stare at more ABNF goodness.
05:30:03 <GreyKnight> ABNF: It's What's For Dinner
05:31:07 <Razor-X> Ah, here's the distinguishing point between servername and the alternative.
05:31:19 <Razor-X> It's funny, because x / y isn't technically part of the ABNF standard, but it's used everywhere.
05:31:34 <GreyKnight> EABNF? :-P
05:31:42 <Razor-X> E?
05:31:49 <GreyKnight> Extended
05:31:57 <Razor-X> -_-''
05:32:07 <Razor-X> MEABNF we'll have soon enough.
05:32:31 <GreyKnight> SHDMEABNFWXYZ-andapartridgeinapeartree
05:32:52 <Razor-X> ;D.
05:34:53 <Razor-X> Uggh. Parsers :P
05:34:54 <Razor-X> .
05:35:13 <GreyKnight> Hm... I am going to have to make setf places work properly before I can put in decent hash tables
05:35:20 <Razor-X> But after I write the parser, things should go easier from there, and maybe I'll ease my conscience enough to write a program that plots the Ackermann function.
05:35:54 <GreyKnight> I don't think Ackermann will look very interesting as a graph :-P
05:36:05 <Razor-X> I think it would look pretty whacky.
05:36:49 <Razor-X> Of course, both a and b would have to be graphed only on intervals of [1, 5] :D.
05:37:07 <Razor-X> Well, x will be [0, 5].
05:37:13 <Razor-X> Anything more will take ages to evaluate.
05:37:14 <GreyKnight> and interpolated between, unless you know how to extend it to real numbers
05:37:41 <Razor-X> Well, it's a graph, I'm not trying to prove a theorem through induction.
05:37:45 <GreyKnight> :-P
05:38:39 <GreyKnight> Just pointing out that a collection of 25 points mightn't be very fascinating without an interpolated surface between them
05:39:14 <GreyKnight> It's monotonic in both arguments, though, so no pretty features :-(
05:39:48 <Razor-X> Heh. True.
05:40:04 <GreyKnight> Just a sheet that suddenly shoots off vertically
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05:43:36 <Razor-X> Hmmmm. Does any IRC server omit the prefix?
05:44:34 <GregorR> Omit what prefix/
05:44:38 <GregorR> ?
05:47:17 <Razor-X> The IRC prefix.
05:49:40 <fizzie> If you mean the ":foo" part of the message, it's legal to omit it, so you should allow for that, no matter what current servers do.
05:50:18 <Razor-X> Yeah, I thought so.
05:55:12 <GregorR> Nearly got my GNU/Linux system set up on my Mac LC580 8-D
06:00:09 <fizzie> I used to run GNU/Linux on a Performa 5200, but that's a few orders of magnitude more normal; it's a ppc box, not a 68k one. (Although it's also a very silly box: http://www.lowendmac.com/roadapples/x200.shtml )
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06:03:44 <GregorR> Mine was probably a road apple too.
06:03:52 <GregorR> But I replaced the proc.
06:16:24 <Razor-X> Incredible, FreeNode's ping timeout is just incredible.
06:16:53 <Razor-X> I was gone for 30 minutes, and the PING request wasn't ponged and it's still alive :D.
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10:11:39 <pgimeno> I've received a spam with this plaintext content:
10:11:42 <pgimeno> ook Of
10:11:42 <pgimeno> ook
10:11:42 <pgimeno> ook Of
10:11:42 <pgimeno> ook Of
10:11:42 <pgimeno> ook
10:11:43 <pgimeno> Of
10:11:47 <pgimeno> Of
10:11:49 <pgimeno> ook Of
10:12:29 <pgimeno> made me wonder if it is a short program written in a variant of Ook!
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10:19:15 <nickie12> hello?
10:19:57 <Arrogant> hello?
10:20:06 <nickie12> ^^
10:20:12 <Arrogant> :D
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12:43:27 <Sgeo> BBl
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20:40:14 <ihope> So it's Python, Perl, PHP, and Ruby?
20:40:35 <kipple_> what is?
20:40:45 <ihope> The P languages.
20:41:20 <kipple_> is there a language called Puny yet? if not, i might have to make one...
20:41:50 <ihope> Nope.
20:46:45 <kipple_> it would of course be weakly typed
20:49:14 <ihope> Weakly typed but with static typing?
20:49:41 <ihope> And you'd have to give types for everything, but the types wouldn't do anything?
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22:06:21 <ihope> Selling cake for more than you buy it for = prophet?
22:06:23 <ihope> :-P
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22:50:07 <CakeProphet> ?
22:50:23 <ihope> Bad pun.
22:50:30 <ihope> Profit = prophet, aye?
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23:40:57 <alex89ru> Hi @ all
23:41:10 <kipple_> hello
23:41:19 <alex89ru> Has anyone of you already writtem your own esoteric language?
23:41:26 <alex89ru> maybe an interpreted language?
23:41:46 <kipple_> yes, many of us have
23:42:04 <alex89ru> good
23:42:07 <GregorR-W> I'd go so far as to say /most/ of us.
23:42:11 <alex89ru> and  what abou you
23:42:14 <alex89ru> +t
23:42:18 <alex89ru> okay :)
23:43:19 <alex89ru> are most of this languages interpreted or comnpiled?
23:43:23 <alex89ru> compiled
23:43:36 <alex89ru> or oth?
23:43:41 <GregorR-W> Probably slightly more are interpreted, but many are both.
23:43:45 <kipple_> I guess most of them are interpreted
23:44:36 <alex89ru> kipple_ , GregorR have specialy YOU written some esoteric languages too? If so, have you published these?
23:44:40 <kipple_> so, have you made any esoteric languages then?
23:44:46 <alex89ru> no
23:44:51 <kipple_> I have written Kipple ...
23:44:59 <alex89ru> lol :)
23:45:01 <GregorR-W> I've written several.
23:45:02 <alex89ru> link?
23:45:13 <GregorR-W> http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Gregor_Richards
23:45:19 <alex89ru> thx
23:45:19 <kipple_> http://rune.krokodille.com/lang/kipple/
23:45:28 <alex89ru> thx
23:45:36 <alex89ru> I'
23:45:47 <kipple_> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page is really the place to go
23:45:54 <alex89ru> ok
23:46:03 <kipple_> if you're after esolangs
23:46:31 <alex89ru> yes i am
23:49:19 <kipple_> time to sleep. gn all
23:51:44 <alex89ru> Is it hard to develop one esoteric language? ( I assume, that it is not hard for interpreted esoteric languages, but maybe I'm wrong??? )