< 1156550536 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been wanting to do so for some time. < 1156550596 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old are you, CakeProphet ? < 1156550605 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 < 1156550647 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me tell you something, cake: high-school is worthwhile. < 1156550648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION beats CakeProphet with his calculus textbook
< 1156550658 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :middle school sucks. it's true. < 1156550677 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is in 11th grade.
< 1156550681 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... < 1156550682 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10th < 1156550684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: He's *15*. . . That implies that he's a sophmore in HS. . . < 1156550690 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :high school is worthwhile, ESPECIALLY if you wait to be an upperclassman. < 1156550713 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again: /me beats CakeProphet with his calculus textbook < 1156550716 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :High school is currently getting in the way of my education. < 1156550722 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you'd wait for me to get to my points before interjecting, you wouldn't be getting confused. < 1156550723 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1156550727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I'm a junior in AP Calc. Got a problem with that?) < 1156550758 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, but I have a problem with you talking about it as if anybody is impressed. < 1156550771 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs
< 1156550787 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So mean... we all are today... :( < 1156550793 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not mean, just honest 8-D < 1156550801 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rips ihope_'s face off.
< 1156550812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: Sorry. Too damned used to people going "Oh, you're in calc? HOLY CRAP!!!". I assume that just says more about my school than anything else, though. . . < 1156550829 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1156550979 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the point I was trying to get to is that high-school isn't about learning things, really- it's about getting high enough grades to get into the college you want and developing rudimentary social skills so that your life in the real world won't suck ass. < 1156550999 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm impressed lol < 1156550999 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning is a secondary, hobby-grade endeavor. < 1156551048 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as popular languages are < 1156551053 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs is where its at :) < 1156551081 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah. < 1156551273 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs.
< 1156551280 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider learning more important than college. < 1156551310 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, college is chock full of cool opportunities though < 1156551313 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :high school is _mostly_ about social skills < 1156551321 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and socials skills are more important than learning < 1156551324 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*social < 1156551327 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, learning *is* important. My point is that learning is not what high school is about. < 1156551328 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To you < 1156551334 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: to you, too < 1156551342 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1156551343 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: as you will realize trying to find a girlfriend :) < 1156551345 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at some point you need to learn to deal/cooperate with other humans, which is itself learning < 1156551354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here I was, thinking that high school was about creating a sufficently trained worker for the industrial economy of the early 20th century. . . < 1156551358 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could care less about social skills... or girlsfriends for that matter. < 1156551364 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: that will change. < 1156551371 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1156551371 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is inevitable. < 1156551379 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if I'm -asexual- < 1156551381 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I am... < 1156551388 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i don't care, it will change < 1156551394 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... < 1156551399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a virgin, but not by choice. ;) < 1156551400 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wether you want to even attempt getting a girlfriend or just MAKING FRIENDS, you will need social skills. < 1156551402 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That statement... is so loaded it's not even funny. < 1156551410 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the age of 15, unless you cut off your testicles, you're not asexual. < 1156551416 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it's just how life works < 1156551422 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's commonly accepted bullshit. < 1156551422 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HIGH FIVE WOOOOOOOH :P < 1156551427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the bloody knife in CakeProphet's hand
< 1156551431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-W: :p < 1156551437 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sobbles* < 1156551441 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no, it isn't < 1156551446 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not every guy is a sex-fuel mastodon. < 1156551460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ~/porn says a whole lot about why it's not by choice. . . < 1156551478 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously have -no- desire for anything sexually related... maybe it's a biological defect, maybe I just don't care. < 1156551497 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also have no desire to have friends? < 1156551497 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex doesn't have to be your primary motivator. It's pretty much always there, but it's not necessarily why you want to get in a relationship. < 1156551501 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I frankly don't get it. < 1156551519 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs
< 1156551524 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friends are cool... but I'm not going to -try- and go out of the way to make friends... friendship should occur naturally. < 1156551531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't care yet, I believe you will within the next few months. < 1156551550 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship doesn't just occur. You have to initiate something. < 1156551568 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: trust me, you will change your mind. I'm speaking from experience regarding myself, my friends, and everyone else i know. < 1156551575 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this is a ridiculous conversation and my work day is close enough to over :P < 1156551576 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1156551578 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.2/0000000000]" < 1156551592 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1156551602 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you're like somebody claiming "i'm not mortal, only you guys are" < 1156551605 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just mildly irritated that you guys can't accept I'm -asexual- < 1156551625 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just mildly irritated you guys can't accept i'm immortal! < 1156551627 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asexual people -do- exist... I swear it's not a myth... < 1156551629 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again, I'm saying- EVEN IF YOU DON'T WANT SEX, YOU NEED SOCIAL SKILLS. < 1156551634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to accept that you're ahuman. . . < 1156551651 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1156551660 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously... stop being a jackass... < 1156551675 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hate to get pissed about the whole mess... but all the comments are starting to piss me off. < 1156551690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realise that sexual attraction is the major driving force in, oh. . . Life? The universe? Everything? < 1156551724 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... and mine's broken. < 1156551725 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just using girlfriends as an example, really < 1156551735 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual < 1156551759 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :social skills are more important than learning, because people are more important than whatever you're gonna use your learning for. < 1156551764 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're confusing "social skills" with "sexual drives". Define social skills, in your way of thinking, or we're never going to get anything across. < 1156551785 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sex is mind-boggling distrubing actually... I don't understand how that could be even remotely pleasurable. < 1156551789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drops that thread of conversation. . .
< 1156551798 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget about the whole sex thing < 1156551813 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i think that in general its cool to talk to other people especially in person < 1156551818 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original point was that homeschooling is bad because you don't get to learn/improve social skills < 1156551820 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one feels differently, one is entitled to < 1156551833 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "social skills are more important than learning, because people are more important than whatever you're gonna use your learning for." < 1156551861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I assure you, for those of us who care, it ends up being immensely pleasurable (yay, biology!). And with that, can we just shut up about it, because it's a bit of a moot point? < 1156551865 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much all homeschoolers I know have no problems with social skills. < 1156551915 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can talk to people... and they can talk back... I can convey the emotions I'm feeling... and I don't care enough to get nervous... there... that's social skills. < 1156551940 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if 'don't care enough to get nervous' qualifies :) < 1156551946 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything else is just a fake image... which isn't the kind of social skills I want. < 1156551974 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just proved you have a thalamus, CakeProphet. congrats on that. < 1156552015 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i agree, sex is pretty disgusting :) < 1156552056 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other social skills would I need? And what makes you think homeschooling is going to instantly zap me of all my existing social interactions? < 1156552121 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for one, you could learn to get less irritated when people insult your sexual preferences :) < 1156552133 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure... I scare people with my social presence... but who cares how freaky I am? Obviously the last 11-or-so years of school hasn't made me a social bee. < 1156552172 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you scare people? < 1156552182 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound like good social skills to me :) < 1156552187 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were claiming it didn't exist... that's quite different... it's like saying "No you're clearly wrong about yourself" < 1156552237 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No... it's engraved into your skull to like men" To give you heterosexuals a comparison. < 1156552252 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1156552257 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... I scare people. < 1156552270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . No, it's engraved into your brainstem to like sex. . . < 1156552277 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1156552286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume that you've been at war with it for a bit. :p < 1156552291 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: maybe you should consider stopping scaring people. < 1156552304 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do it intentionally... it's just simply how I am.. < 1156552330 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a freaky person to other people... I'm pretty sure... perfectly normal to myself... so I have the simple conclusion of "fuck other people"... problem solved. < 1156552376 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Nope.. no raging conflicts at all.. I just really don't care. < 1156552378 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not going to work. wether you like people or not, you will deal with and interact with them for your entire life. < 1156552387 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1156552399 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said I didn't like talking to people... < 1156552405 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: "fuck other people" is not a sustainable policy < 1156552422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean it literally. : < 1156552428 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fine with social interaction... I just don't worry about pretending to be someone that I'm not... that'll just screw me over later. < 1156552435 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and extremely ironic, considering your "asexual" nature [rimshot] < 1156552449 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's not about pretending to be someone you're not :) < 1156552456 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about changing yourself to be someone you're not < 1156552461 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1156552481 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, it happens naturally. < 1156552486 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called "growing up" :D < 1156552504 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1156552509 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's personality evolves over time. < 1156552517 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... I'm quite aware. < 1156552522 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's up to YOU to mold and shape who you become, < 1156552527 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1156552543 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and overcome your flaws, while making use of your talents. < 1156552543 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic < 1156552546 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I do... every day. < 1156552560 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already doing that... no need to teach me about it. < 1156552607 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fantastic. THIS explains why we're unable to get through to him. Move along people, nothing to see but a nutjob. < 1156552625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would also explain his lack of logical ability. < 1156552626 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for the record that is NOT WHAT I MEANT. < 1156552647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs hysterically. . .
< 1156552655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orgasm is one of the main techniques. :p < 1156552658 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shakes his head and walks away.
< 1156552661 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irony < 1156552662 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay orgasm < 1156552664 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION orgasms
< 1156552678 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whew < 1156552704 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION orgasms all over the channel
< 1156552710 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry to get so agitated about this... I really hate overacting... I was just feeling attacked. < 1156552789 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: this is one of them "if youth knew, if old age could" things < 1156552816 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: we're just trying to help you :) < 1156552889 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... this really got blown out of proportion... it's not really that devestating to my personal well-being that I'm going to be homeschooled. < 1156552914 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1156552921 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you "scare people" then something is wrong. < 1156552932 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read: emo. < 1156552962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic A hint: normally, saying "I am a practicing wizard/witch/magician" scares the shit out of people. . . < 1156552973 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1156552976 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1156553011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And. . . You don't question that?!? < 1156553024 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why should I? < 1156553037 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, explain to me this: if magic works, why is it that a 15 year old has all the answers, while actual scientists and professionals give it no credence whatsoever? < 1156553053 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- Oh God... here we go... < 1156553062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION passes CakeProphet "HOWTO: Install a brain".
< 1156553064 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even starting this conversation. < 1156553079 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is EXACTLY why religion works: denial. < 1156553080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't used it much myself (I'm Christain), but I think you could use it. :p < 1156553103 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just so you know... no I do not think I can conjure fireballs out of midair and hurl them at people. < 1156553143 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what's the point? :( < 1156553158 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : clearly. if you were that *obviously* crazy, you'd already be in the looney bin. < 1156553166 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Belief shapes a persons reality... to Christians, God exists... etc. that is what I believe. < 1156553179 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1156553191 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does a belief in magic gives you that my non-belief in magic doesn't give me? < 1156553205 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Chaos magic more as a personal principle... not as a method to make weird stuff happen... it's not a tool, it's a philosophy. < 1156553221 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how existentialist. < 1156553224 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute. < 1156553226 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An "unorganized religion". < 1156553231 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I use my dick like that. < 1156553238 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a tool; it's a philosophy. < 1156553261 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :religion, as a concept, is flawed. Faith, moreso. < 1156553277 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers banning everybody in the channel including himself
< 1156553302 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't going to discuss this one... too many different opinions to make any outcome worthwhile.
< 1156553336 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... I guess it is kind of existential... I'd rather be existential than believing in ab Absolute Truth(tm). < 1156553358 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes away... do not ping me about it...
< 1156553381 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no absolute truth but reason. logic. frameworks upon which mankind's greatest achievements have been built. < 1156553401 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: god will _so_ smack you for taht. < 1156553425 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION obviously disses science just because he follows something called "chaos magic"
< 1156553432 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and surely the mankind's greatest achievements are works of art? < 1156553436 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are not at all logical? < 1156553437 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... I agree with science... there's nothing to argue about there. < 1156553442 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for lament's imaginary friend "god" to try something.
< 1156553458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes the biblical verse stating that God ordered us to rule over and study the earth. . . Thereby ordering mankind into science. . . And thereby disproving his own existence. . . ;p
< 1156553466 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: you a militant atheist? < 1156553480 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could agree with that label. < 1156553494 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You scare me. < 1156553525 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there is no absolute truth but reason. " - clearly you haven't smoked pot :) < 1156553526 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been an atheist, Christian, New Ager, Bhuddist, Agnostic, Emo, Goth, and countless other isms.
< 1156553539 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the advantages of shifting paradigms. < 1156553555 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: just become a taoist and get over it < 1156553556 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I at least have a chunk of everyone's opinion at the most... makes it easier to relate to people and sympathize with them. < 1156553587 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing could please me more than an end to the chaos and waste that is religion. I have more of a problem with some religions than others, but they all serve nothing but our own desire for a simple answer to everything. < 1156553605 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spirituality is way more than that... I must say. < 1156553617 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although many people use religion as an answer... others don't. < 1156553640 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: surely "there's no god" is a much simpler answer than any other, no? < 1156553645 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the person.... just like pretty much everything else. < 1156553650 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: non-existance of stuff seems inherently more simple than existence... < 1156553664 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: so YOU are the one with a simple answer... < 1156553664 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear... I'm dragging myself into this. < 1156553682 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION abstains.
< 1156553746 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament- your logic is flawed, because you aren't looking any further than the question of god. the implications behind the non-existence of god, using your remaining chain of statements, prove that I am most likely right. try again. < 1156553790 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: depends on the nature of the god < 1156553808 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: for example, Judaism certainly does not give any simple answers to anything < 1156553816 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything it makes things more complicated < 1156553828 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ultimate problem with proving the non-existence of god is precisely that- those with beliefs will continue to re-define what god is until the argument is meaningless. < 1156553846 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay... here's a solution before we all inevitably get into a religion discussion... let's all just except that people and different, think differently, and believe different things, and that it's okay and that we have no obligation to change them or "convert" them.... okay? THat'll save you all a few hours. < 1156553847 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judaism. Don't even get me started. < 1156553865 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: how does judaism give "simple answers"? < 1156553922 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atheists can be just as guilty of trying to "convert" people as Christians. < 1156553928 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :judaism gives one answer: to wait. It's no wonder that when one of their own tried to reform the religion, they shattered in half. < 1156553958 0 :GregorR-W!n=chatzill@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1156553962 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thou shalt not discuss religion on #esoteric < 1156553965 0 :GregorR-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1156553991 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're only supposed to rant about coding paradigms. < 1156554006 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably just as bad as religion is when it comes to discussion. < 1156554008 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1156554029 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1156554055 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the messiah will likely come after any individual believer dies < 1156554098 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION invents his religious practices every day.
< 1156554099 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case the belief in the messiah is not really a major part of judaism < 1156554110 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: sounds like you simply have too much free time. < 1156554115 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point precisely. judaism is an infinite loop. < 1156554145 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :religions are themselves the memetic equivalent of organisms. < 1156554158 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much more fun than following the same old boring beliefs... poof, one day there's a spiritual entity in me that I'll call the mind buffalo... the next it is customary to wear one sock and do everything with the wrong hand... it's both fun and rewarding :P < 1156554164 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they grow, reproduce, evolve... < 1156554188 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the closest biological analogy would be a virus. < 1156554221 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: basically, you invent stuff for no reason. Consider writing symphonies instead. < 1156554238 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no... I definetely believe whatever I invent. < 1156554251 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as computer viruses spread via networks and email, religions spread through flyers, books, television shows and human speech. < 1156554254 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: so? < 1156554265 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I need a reason? It's fun! < 1156554273 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you could just as well write symphonies instead! it's fun! < 1156554304 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah... < 1156554326 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#religion, the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang - forum: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/forum/ - EgoBot: !help - wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://meme.b9.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric - for brainfuck-specific discussion, go to ##brainfuck - competition: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/2006_Esolang_Contest < 1156554329 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just detour that.. which would take effort... by believing that there is a symphony God that writes all symphonies. < 1156554363 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... i think "too much free time" _is_ your main problem. < 1156554372 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to write a spec for "theos", a religiously structured programming language, to illustrate his theories.
< 1156554381 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can never have too much free time. < 1156554390 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? It's better to be in a little cage without freedom? < 1156554395 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1156554404 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously :) < 1156554435 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quotes are cool... they give people the illusion that other people agree with them. < 1156554444 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOU SHALL LET A BE ONE. THOU SHALL FORM A LOOP. THOU SHALL PRINT A. THOU SHALL INCREMENT A. THOU SHALL REPEAT THE LOOP. < 1156554445 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big.. important people. < 1156554465 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET THERE BE EXECUTION < 1156554478 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who quoted stuff? < 1156554485 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: and random failures, unless there is a AND GOD SAW THE LOOP AND IT WAS GOOD < 1156554489 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my future me. < 1156554503 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be a form of exception checking. < 1156554512 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anonfunc: excellent suggestion. < 1156554532 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be OO code. < 1156554538 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1156554544 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOU SHALL NOT EQUAL ONE < 1156554548 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anonfunc, looking at God's criterium for goodness I don't think the random failures would be avoided < 1156554549 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: or "god saw the loop, and it was good, and blessed it for generations" < 1156554562 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we're talking. < 1156554589 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOU SHALL NOT KILL... hmmm. < 1156554592 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: Depends on the religious framework one operates in, I suppose. < 1156554623 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just my daily bit of irony < 1156554626 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creation can define inheritance. Firmament -> Earth/Clay -> Man, Bees, Porcupines, etc. < 1156554632 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS could be defining a new class. < 1156554644 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1156554648 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output to a terminal could be in terms of GOD'S PROPHET SPOKE TO THE PEOPLE AND SAID: < 1156554658 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha- this is gold. < 1156554682 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to make and name a prophet first (bufferedwriter) and people (output device) < 1156554684 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's suddenly become very clear that i've spent too much time in the old testament. < 1156554686 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND FROM THE DUST OF THE EARTH GOD CREATED MAN man inherits dust... which inherits earth < 1156554700 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old testament is much more procedural. < 1156554711 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: no, AND THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH < 1156554715 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meek inherits earth < 1156554718 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs.
< 1156554745 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no- that means that when a loop ceases to be blessed, meek is passed a value from earth. < 1156554750 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a built in list type: GET THEE BEHIND ME, < 1156554805 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that you could damn a function to prevent it from running, and then purify it if you need it later. < 1156554813 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a built in constant PI that is equal to three. < 1156554822 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1156554825 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RodgerTheGreat: in an Aspect oriented way? < 1156554839 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe... < 1156554843 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the join points are set out as rituals < 1156554854 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the weave whatnots are commandments. < 1156554863 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes- rituals are the best way to handle loops. < 1156554918 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and variables are represented by objects and classes that god must create. < 1156554940 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :commandments are globals and/or some types of conditionals. < 1156554957 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test framework or assertions, maybe. < 1156554958 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damning/purifying allows for additional flow control. < 1156554971 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a preprocessor, perhaps? < 1156554983 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really what they resemble. < 1156554998 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, theres some good verbage for flow control in bits of Romans, maybe chapter six. < 1156555016 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR WE ARE DEAD TO BY THE POWER OF GOD < 1156555038 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND GOD DROVE MAN FROM THE GARDEN < 1156555057 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the fourth car! < 1156555066 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could never remember the fourth car. < 1156555128 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different "locations" for objects could alter how they function: Earth, eden, heaven, hell, limbo- all of which can be defined with different names. < 1156555158 0 :anonfunc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are at least several hundred biblical names for god as well < 1156555162 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THE LORD SAID UNTO THE WOMAN, "WHAT IS THIS THAT THOU HAST DONE?" <-- exception handling? < 1156555169 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your commandments set up what happens on earth and when objects are moved. < 1156555174 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe... < 1156555188 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"earth" is the main workspace. < 1156555199 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eden" is where objects are constructed. < 1156555214 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hell" is where unused functions are discarded to < 1156555223 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "heaven" is storage. < 1156555224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "earth.fuckup();" was unfortunately executed. :p < 1156555231 0 :RodgerTheGreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1156555251 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... so when do we drive