00:00:25 <oerjanj> some Lisp and Smalltalk systems allowed that as I recall. Don't know about Python.
00:00:47 <oerjanj> maybe there is a module you can use for it...
00:02:19 <CakeProphet> hmm... basically the only part of the parser that touches the main program is a single line... is it possible to put that single line into a try:except  that somehow doesn't fuck the program over?
00:02:40 <CakeProphet> "blah = surrealocmds.SurrealoParse(cmd)"
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00:10:15 <oerjanj> hmm... could you make the Parser an iterator?
00:13:57 <CakeProphet> *scratches head*
00:14:06 <CakeProphet> Well... the parser parses via iteration..
00:15:44 <CakeProphet> It runs through all the command functions with a for loop and sees if any of them are triggered, if one is triggered, it returns it.
00:16:26 <CakeProphet> But.. I think I got it now... I basically just enclosed stuff in functions, so in the except statement I can tell it to run the function again...
00:16:47 <CakeProphet> Thus giving me something like resumable exceptions.
00:16:47 <oerjanj> i am talking here about Python Iterators, btw.
00:17:06 * CakeProphet nods, "Me too..."
00:18:09 <oerjanj> hm...
00:20:19 <CakeProphet> Python's iterators... are... while and for.
00:24:03 <oerjanj> um, no. iterators are objects having __iter__ and next methods, and can be used in for ... in loops.
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00:25:24 <oerjanj> there is also something called generators...
00:25:51 <CakeProphet> Oooh
00:26:31 <CakeProphet> Python iterators then... are... pretty much any non-integer... strings, lists, arrays, dictionaries (associative arrays), etc...
00:26:41 <CakeProphet> tuples aren't iterators as well..
00:28:05 <CakeProphet> No wait... strings don't have the __iter__ method.
00:29:06 <oerjanj> so, if you made your parser an iterator, you could just do something like for token in parser: token.command()
00:29:34 <oerjanj> (if I have the syntax right, i am looking things up as we speak)
00:32:00 <oerjanj> and of course the token.command() could be wrapped in try: except, and maybe you could have one for the parser too.
00:32:17 <oerjanj> or maybe that would ruin your tracebacks?
00:32:53 <oerjanj> anyhow, i should go to bed
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00:35:35 <CakeProphet> Oh... I made a CommandList list item to use in the for loop... but... yeah.. he left.
00:39:46 * CakeProphet bangs his head against the wall, "Ha! I'm such a shitty programmer it's not even funny."
00:58:28 <CakeProphet> Argh... functions give me headaches... I always get a bunch of unexpected errors that I have no idea how to fix.
00:58:38 <CakeProphet> When I work imperitively everything is pretty straightforward to fix.
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01:31:16 <CakeProphet> Hmmm... anyone know how to get Python to import modules twice?
01:31:33 <CakeProphet> Apparently it imports once... and then any other commands to import are ignored because it already has the file.
03:21:23 <Razor-X> ... Why would you need to import a module twice?
03:21:43 <pikhq> What's next?
03:21:51 <pikhq> #include <stdio.h>
03:21:55 <pikhq> #include <stdio.h>
03:21:56 <pikhq> ?
03:30:32 <Razor-X> #include <ieatbabies.h>
03:31:55 <pikhq> >:D
03:32:51 <GregorR> www.donotputthebaby.com
03:32:56 <GregorR> (Obligatory link)
03:33:42 <Razor-X> Are there any RSI-avoiding tips other than rest?
03:33:54 <Razor-X> Mind mf slow responses.
03:33:58 <Razor-X> *my
03:34:10 <GregorR> Ergonomic keyboard, Dvorak, and there are specially designed not-quite-keyboard things that are better for you.
03:34:29 <Razor-X> I have a Model M and already use Dvorak.
03:34:31 <pikhq> Wetware.
03:35:01 <GregorR> Don't use a keyboard :P
03:35:06 <Razor-X> I must.
03:35:16 <Razor-X> So much more vocabulary. So much more clicking.
03:35:25 <pikhq> Don't use a mouse.
03:35:26 <pikhq> Oh, wait.
03:35:27 <GregorR> Apple sez: "The keyboard is obsolete!  Use teh mouse roflcopter"
03:35:33 <pikhq> Ratpoison user. :)
03:35:41 <Razor-X> Th keyboard is easier on me than a mouse.
03:35:45 <Razor-X> *The
03:36:14 <pikhq> As it should be.
03:37:23 <Razor-X> Even with a trackball.
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07:57:50 <nooga> aaa
07:57:53 <nooga> http://www.clifford.at/bfcpu/bfcomp.html
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08:04:18 <GregorR> nooga: ?
08:04:20 <GregorR> And?
08:06:21 <nooga> well
08:06:36 <nooga> it's almost like c2bf
08:07:20 <GregorR> Except it's not intended to be C.
08:07:23 <GregorR> Just a subset thereof.
08:07:45 <GregorR> And yes, I'm well aware of it.
08:10:11 <GregorR> And then, Gregor went to sleep.
08:12:58 <nooga> bah
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10:09:56 <nooga> mhh
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14:05:37 <RodgerTheGreat> 'morning.
14:07:39 <nooga> moin
14:07:42 <nooga> g2g
14:07:43 <nooga> bye
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14:07:46 <RodgerTheGreat> cya
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14:51:25 <ihope> "This channel requires that you have registered and identified yourself with the network's nickname registration services."
14:51:28 <ihope> Does it, now?
14:53:47 <RodgerTheGreat> hunh
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16:24:33 <GregorR-W> ihope: Yeah, it says that but doesn't enforce it at all >_>
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19:20:34 <pikhq> Silence. . .
19:25:52 <GregorR-W> SILENCE!
19:29:37 <pikhq> Da.
19:30:23 <pikhq> 0^+.^
19:40:37 <ihope> Silence...
19:40:43 <ihope> ...is golden.
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19:59:06 <ihope> Would that be the code problem causing the netsplits?
20:00:53 <GregorR-W> No, that's the code problem causing Freenode servers to come to life and kill people rampantly.
20:00:57 <GregorR-W> The netsplits are just a side effect.
20:04:54 <ihope> Oh.
20:05:13 <RodgerTheAFK> hm.
20:10:15 <sparr> Cause a netsplit, please.  :)
20:15:52 <ihope> [ERROR] Missing required parameter server1.
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22:37:52 <ihope> main(){while 1{}}
22:37:56 <ihope> Is that a valid C program?
22:38:32 <GregorR-W> No.
22:38:49 <GregorR-W> main(){while(1);}
22:38:54 <GregorR-W> Is as close as you could get to that.
22:39:07 <GregorR-W> Just as short though :P
22:42:00 <ihope> What's that in assembler?
22:44:24 <fizzie> main(){main();} is shorter, and might not even crash in some environments.
22:46:20 <ihope> What about a label and a goto?
22:50:23 <GregorR-W> I think 'goto' would put you over.
22:53:14 <fizzie> main(){x:goto x;} has as many characters as the while(1); version.
22:53:32 <fizzie> main(){for(;;);} is one character shorter, actually.
22:57:41 <GregorR-W> If you use the compiler line: "gcc -Da=main(){while();}" then your program is really short:
22:57:43 <GregorR-W> a
22:59:06 <ihope> You mean the machine code in ASCII is "a"?
22:59:13 <ihope> Or the C code is "a"?
22:59:20 <GregorR-W> The C code is "a"
22:59:23 <ihope> Oh... yeah.
23:04:58 <fizzie> GCC compiles "main(){while(1);}" to 0xeb 0xfe, which is a relative jump to itself. (0xfe there is -2.)
23:05:59 <GregorR-W> Hahah
23:06:01 <GregorR-W> Awesome
23:07:17 <fizzie> (When optimizing, that is; when not, it does "0x55 0x48 0x89 0xe5 0xeb 0xfe", or in other words "push %rbp; mov %rsp,%rbp; jmp <itself>". And this all on x86_64; would be %ebp and %esp on i386, and something completely different on other archs.)
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