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That being said, some of those strange things that have been tried end up being useful, so an esoteric language can definitely be usable. 04:56:10 Esoteric programming languages generally take some feature or set of features which are quite uncommon amongst programming languages and use those as a basis. 04:57:06 !find EgoBot 04:57:20 :* 04:57:22 :( 04:58:03 -!- EgoBot has joined. 04:58:09 There ya go. 04:58:46 yay 04:58:50 !help 04:58:53 help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon 04:58:55 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda 04:59:10 aww :( 04:59:44 ? 04:59:48 Oh, right. 04:59:51 Haven't added whirl yet :-P 04:59:56 Tell yah what, I'll do that right now. 05:00:49 awesome 05:00:59 brb 05:02:01 This always crashes when I run through a proxy: 05:02:02 !reload 05:02:03 -!- EgoBot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 05:02:06 Yay 05:02:10 -!- EgoBot has joined. 05:02:15 !help 05:02:18 help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon 05:02:20 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl 05:04:31 !whirl http://page.tokigun.net/obfuscation/_/file/99bottle.wr 05:04:36 Huh? 05:04:41 aww 05:05:38 !help whirl 05:05:40 To use an interpreter: Note: can be the actual program, an http:// URL, or a file:// URL which refers to my pseudofilesystem. 05:05:48 !whirl http://bigzaphod.org/whirl/kang-hello_world.txt 05:05:48 Hmn 05:05:52 Huh? 05:05:52 One second 05:05:55 k 05:06:13 Whoops, tpyo :P 05:06:26 !reload 05:06:27 -!- EgoBot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 05:06:29 -!- EgoBot has joined. 05:06:35 !whirl http://bigzaphod.org/whirl/kang-hello_world.txt 05:06:38 Hello, World! 05:06:42 Whoot 05:06:43 :D 05:07:35 !whirl http://bigzaphod.org/whirl/slarty-hello_world.txt 05:07:38 hello world 05:07:48 >_> not much example whirl code 05:09:26 lol 05:09:27 w00t 05:09:33 hey arrogant 05:09:38 my interpreter works 05:09:41 w00t 05:09:49 heh 05:09:52 I'm thinking that one of us should create an intermediate language 05:09:58 That compiles to whirl 05:10:12 sounds like a plan 05:10:22 Then we'll have more examples. 05:10:37 I added some more conditionals to Synesthesia 05:10:46 neat 05:10:52 < 0, > 0 05:11:02 (p ) for positive, (e ) for negative 05:11:08 Couldn't use n :/ 05:11:21 (n ) creates a new scope 05:12:04 So now the four builtin conditionals are: != 0, > 0, < 0, == 0 05:12:22 Although != 0 is unneccesary... 05:12:38 [blah#] is the same thing is (t blah) 05:13:29 waht does (t do? 05:14:19 (t blah) does blah when current cell != 0 05:14:29 basically, an if true 05:15:07 [blah] loops blah when current cell != 0 05:15:11 just like in bf 05:15:13 so really... 05:15:21 (oh, and # breaks out of the current instruction list) 05:15:40 ah 05:16:04 but the == 0 is (f ) for false 05:16:35 !whirl http://bigzaphod.org/whirl/aviad/hello_world.txt 05:16:40 Hello World 05:16:52 *ah* so satisfying 05:16:53 :) 05:17:19 !glass {M[m(_o)O!"Glass is better than Whirl."(_o)o.?]} 05:17:22 Glass is better than Whirl. 05:17:24 :( 05:17:29 !glass {M[m(_o)O!"(So is FYB)"(_o)o.?]} 05:17:32 (So is FYB) 05:17:35 GregorR, what do the interpreters have to be written in for EgoBot? 05:17:41 Or how does it work? 05:17:41 Anything 05:17:44 Ah. 05:17:49 It calls external interpreters. 05:17:49 So it runs a seperate process 05:17:52 Gotcha 05:17:52 Yes 05:20:28 someone wrote a java whirl code generator 05:21:52 * Arrogant refines Synesthesia. 05:29:06 http://paragon.pastebin.com/736485 05:31:04 (i name) seems out of place with the other uses of parenthesis ... 05:31:26 All the other ones operate on code 05:39:27 your files end with .bf? 05:39:38 At the moment 05:39:47 The language used to be Brainfunk 05:39:50 'til I changed it 05:39:55 And I never changed the extension >< 05:40:04 lol 05:40:10 Even though brainfuck is traditionally .b :-P 05:40:34 Yeah, but Brainfunk was .bf 05:40:35 it's bf with added conditionals and subroutines? 05:40:42 Oh 05:40:43 And scopes 05:40:45 I didn't read carefully :) 05:41:39 I'm thinking .syn 05:41:48 But there're some things that need changing... 05:43:15 (iasciip) still seems off 05:43:35 Since it's the same syntax used for the conditionals and scope operators 05:46:43 Any thoughts? 05:47:17 Here's a thought: YOU SUCK HAHAHAHAHAHAH 05:47:21 Not a useful or constructive one. 05:48:12 there's this War and Peace miniseries with Anthony Hopkins that's 18 hours long 05:51:45 yourmean ani dontliek you 05:51:51 :( 05:51:57 That was to me. 05:52:47 Luckily I can change the syntax extremely easily so the hardest part will be the concept 05:53:23 oh 06:00:56 so anyway, i'm writing a whirl code generator 06:01:22 What's the source language? 06:12:11 python 06:18:08 i <3 it 06:23:53 now: /name/ for imports 06:23:57 Done. 06:25:30 neat 06:29:45 do you have the interp working? 06:30:34 Of course 06:30:46 Making some final adjustments 06:30:55 I've got a standard library that I want to go with it, too. 06:32:31 i lost my whirl interpreter 06:34:07 ... You lost it? 06:34:14 Didn't you just write it? 06:36:09 yeah i forgot where I saved it 06:36:29 >< 06:36:49 ah there we go it was in H:\itemp\Desktop\python scripts\interpreters\whirl interpreter 06:37:18 Good place 06:37:58 I had an I:\Desktop folder and a link to it on desktop so that I could see my wallpapers 06:38:02 sinec I always have a bunch of icons 06:38:22 25 / 5: /math//nums/ {20}{5}|>{5}|{switch}{div}*! 06:38:52 it can't be /math/nums/ ? 06:38:59 Hmm 06:39:11 Shouldn't be too hard to do 06:39:23 nums is a subset of math? 06:39:26 No 06:39:29 nums is another library 06:39:38 Yeah, I'm going to leave it as it is 06:39:49 its /math/ is to import math, /nums/ to import nums 06:40:31 nums gives you {5} and {20} and so that you can easily create numbers. 06:42:24 !whirl 011000001111000011111000001111000011111000001111000 06:42:24 011111000001100100000110011111000111000111100011001 06:42:24 11000000000111110001000111110011001111100010001100 06:42:27 oops 06:45:16 I screwed up {mod} when I changed math.syn 06:45:18 Whoops 06:45:43 26 % 5 should be 1 not 125 :o 06:45:53 you think I should write a language based on trinary instead of binary 06:45:58 heh 06:46:13 * rabidpoobear wonders how 125 was a result 06:46:16 Something like Whirl only with 3 numbers you mean? 06:46:22 I have no idea, I'm following the stack 06:46:23 It used to work 06:46:34 i was just reading the http://www.trinary.cc/ page 06:46:38 and it sounds cool 06:46:47 trinary algebra vs boolean algebra etc 06:47:00 idk how i could construct a language out of it though 06:48:25 Hmm 06:48:37 * Arrogant rewrites math.mod from scratch 06:49:44 good plan 06:52:07 The whole operation should be: x - ((x // y) * y) 06:52:44 In Python, anyway. 06:53:02 makes sense 06:57:33 i'm naming my whirl intermediate language whinter 06:58:37 Haha, nice 06:59:56 ty :) 07:02:31 -!- nooga has joined. 07:02:38 hi 07:03:19 I'm basically defining all of math and stackops in Python as stack operations 07:03:32 def mul (s): s.append(s.pop() * s.pop()) 07:03:34 etc 07:03:41 ahm 07:03:51 Once this works I'll just take the operations I've used and it'll work. 07:03:53 Hey nooga. 07:03:57 hi Arrogant 07:05:35 Arrogant: are u building a stack machine? 07:05:54 nooga: Nope, I'm trying to write modulus in my language 07:05:58 Complicated. 07:06:09 oh 07:09:42 sup nooga 07:09:50 ill talk more in a bit, i got a grilledcheeze on stove 07:11:12 hi rabidpoobear 07:13:04 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGA! 07:13:33 hei greg ;] 07:14:35 wassup? 07:15:44 i'm done cooking 07:16:03 greg owns egobot 07:16:18 Everybody knows that, by the way :P 07:16:31 There was an EsoBot-vs-EgoBot battle that I won despite my awful connection. 07:16:39 i didn't know if he was new 07:16:40 * GregorR laughs at calamari :P 07:16:42 who owns esobot? 07:16:46 ah 07:17:00 calamari. It's written in Java, and requires that the interpreters be in Java as well. 07:17:13 what's yours in? 07:17:18 hehe 07:17:23 I didn't see any battle 07:17:25 hey cala 07:17:43 ego is in C 07:17:56 the only wise hackers' choice 07:18:00 yea 07:18:11 wisdom is overrated 07:18:12 in fact, a lot of egobot is based directly on esobot, so you could say it is just an upgrade 07:18:24 lol 07:18:30 Quite the blatant lie ;) 07:18:36 Also, it's C++ 07:18:38 I like it tho ;) 07:18:48 and you have to admit the similarities 07:19:14 because esobot did come out first :) 07:19:28 but who cares, except you.. hehe 07:19:43 arrogant we gotta write one in Python now 07:19:49 Heheheh 07:20:08 esobot is gpl, so is ego, so it doesn't matter much 07:20:14 Nah, I hate writing IRC bots. I tried once. 07:20:30 calamari: True. 07:20:31 yeah i wrote one a few weeks ago for pyweek 07:20:34 it's damn easy 07:20:44 IRC bots really aren't that complicated. 07:20:48 you pack whole irc functionality in one class 07:20:57 and then just dispatch i/o 07:20:57 they're not that fun either :\ 07:20:58 ;p 07:21:27 of course they're fun 07:22:17 gregor is an advanced ai bot I wrote once and let grow.. bet you didn't know that 07:22:39 ;P 07:23:06 what do you mean "advanced" 07:23:14 ooh... 07:23:17 :P 07:23:26 lament: don't get upset, I didn't know as much when I wrote you 07:24:07 afk to finish what i was doing :) 07:24:12 k 07:25:33 -!- [bot]Zatao has joined. 07:25:39 that's the bot i wrote! 07:25:44 themes, bot! 07:25:44 <[bot]Zatao> Themes: 07:25:44 <[bot]Zatao> Someone else's trash 07:25:44 <[bot]Zatao> A fraction too much friction 07:25:44 <[bot]Zatao> Mind the gap 07:25:44 <[bot]Zatao> Doorways 07:25:44 <[bot]Zatao> It runs on steam! 07:25:51 roflcakes... 07:25:55 ... 07:26:01 it was for pyweek 07:26:08 what are those themes for? 07:26:09 <[bot]Zatao> Themes: 07:26:09 <[bot]Zatao> Someone else's trash 07:26:09 <[bot]Zatao> A fraction too much friction 07:26:09 <[bot]Zatao> Mind the gap 07:26:09 <[bot]Zatao> Doorways 07:26:10 <[bot]Zatao> It runs on steam! 07:26:13 heh 07:26:18 -!- [bot]Zatao has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 07:26:28 for a python game programming competition 07:27:08 "someone else's trash" as a theme for a game? 07:27:15 yeah 07:27:54 fun competition 07:28:00 i got very little done 07:38:07 Yay, mod is working now. 07:38:19 It's been working for awhile 07:38:32 you just didn't notice? 07:38:34 It's just... I couldn't import math 'cause there was a broken one in the main directory. 07:38:38 oh 07:38:40 And I couldn't figure out why. 07:38:44 >< 07:38:50 {mod:*>*|<|{div}>|{mul}<|{sub}} 07:39:14 stack.append(stack.pop() % stack.pop()) 07:39:22 See, it's even shorter than Python, it must be great 07:39:47 i'm trying to write a program without any punctuation, in perl 07:40:47 * rabidpoobear knows nothing about perl. 07:40:54 print uc shift split for qw w apple banana lemon w; 07:40:55 Fibonacci numbers: /math/{fibo:(n(n*(f|=)-(f+|=)-(f+|=)++-|{fibo}-|{fibo}{add}))} 07:41:09 Arrogant: what's that? where is the spec? 07:41:14 semicolon is'nt punctuation? 07:41:30 Can't very well avoid the semicolon 07:41:33 it's arrogant's language Syntesthia 07:41:35 I think it's required in Perl 07:42:20 http://paragon.pastebin.com/736571 07:43:54 stdlib so far is: ascii, adds ascii code for letters to the stack. asciip, prints ascii characters. nums, add an amount to the current cell. stackops, common stack operations. math, common math operations. 07:44:05 Oh, and cmp, comparison operations. 07:45:29 *synesthesia 07:46:11 * Arrogant shrugs. 07:47:35 n u g operators ;d 07:47:57 {fibo:(n(n*(f|=)-(f+|=)-(f+|=)++-|{fibo}-|{fibo}(n*>*[-<+>]<|)))} 07:48:04 For fibo without math 07:48:05 they often call me 'nug' instead of 'nooga' on Polish IRC 07:48:12 Haha 07:48:29 I like Synesthesia. It is my finest work. 07:48:58 I should do something more than fibonacci in it though. 07:49:37 quine! 07:50:06 nah 07:50:48 If I made it extendable in Python... hmm 07:51:31 * Arrogant goes to make some null-terminated string functions. 07:54:22 blah 07:54:54 if you have alist = ['a','b','c'] is there some way to do alist.pop('a')? would you just do del(alist['a'])? 07:55:10 del isn't a function, it's a keyword 07:55:13 So yeah 07:55:18 I think so. 07:55:22 del alist['a'] then 07:55:24 Wait no 07:55:24 ? 07:55:35 >_> 07:55:41 del alist[index] 07:55:47 oh right 07:55:50 kthx 07:55:56 del alist.index("a") 07:56:03 oh 07:56:07 a.remove("a") also works. 07:56:17 cool 07:56:21 that's what i'll use 07:58:33 * calamari oes to bed 07:58:40 and goes also ;) 07:58:43 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 07:59:16 eh 07:59:24 * nooga goes to school 07:59:31 :O 07:59:34 european? 07:59:35 *gasp* 07:59:39 yeah 07:59:51 something wrong? :> 07:59:55 heh 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:01:06 hm? 08:01:24 -!- GregorR-W has quit (Remote closed the connection). 08:01:32 nothin wrong 08:01:34 what country? 08:02:12 P o l a n d 08:02:14 -!- GregorR-W has joined. 08:05:21 anyone know how fast I can send messages on freenode before getting kicked? 08:05:30 or will it auto-limit me? 08:07:16 :O 08:08:18 -!- nooga has quit. 08:42:59 -!- rabidpoobear has quit. 08:44:28 -!- Arrogant has quit ("Leaving"). 09:42:51 -!- calamari has joined. 10:20:14 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 10:36:00 -!- Keymaker has joined. 10:36:20 hi 10:38:27 if i read file in "r" and use fgetc(), does it combine char 13 and 10 into 10 in windows? 10:38:44 (in C) 11:00:38 I would think that's implementation-defined, but usually, yes. 11:00:47 ah, ok 11:00:58 sounds good enough to me :) 11:06:58 The standard only seems to say that if you write something like "foo\n" it must read back as "foo\n", but it doesn't say how the lines are separated. 11:07:16 Heh, it even allows for "foo \n" to read back as "foo\n". 11:07:42 "Whether space characters that are written out immediately before a new-line character appear when read in is implementation-defined." 11:08:08 that's stupid! 11:10:39 In some systems all files are composed of fixed-length records, and in such a system text file might mean a sequence of fixed-length (say, 80) lines that are space-padded. (And of course the reading program can't know which trailing spaces are padding and which are written data.) 11:11:30 aah 11:30:37 -!- jix has joined. 11:54:31 -!- kipple has joined. 13:04:28 wohoooo! it works! 13:04:56 my horrible smatiny interpreter written in c. 13:57:52 "Hello worlor".. hmm, there seems to be a bug somewhere.. 14:23:26 ah, discovered the bug. problem is in the interpreter 14:26:06 luckily it was easily fixable 14:34:42 success 14:41:16 http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Hello_world_program_in_esoteric_languages#SMATINY 15:34:40 -!- nooga has joined. 15:36:45 hi 15:37:39 ey 15:37:48 wanna see my newest perl hack? 15:37:55 ok 15:38:00 although i can't understand it anyways 15:38:10 it is quite trivial.... and in some way... 15:38:13 you can 15:38:21 some way... awful ;d 15:38:32 http://perlmonks.com/?node_id=551288 15:38:33 here 15:39:02 you can run it 15:39:46 as someone said "I'm sure it will be a classic in highschools everywhere.".. 15:40:00 :p 15:40:08 i don't have interpreter in windows 15:40:14 im damn proud heh ;p 15:40:24 hah 15:40:24 then i must show you the result 15:40:46 though it's quite nasty 15:41:21 (') 15:41:22 (_)_) 15:41:22 DJc 15:41:24 well 15:41:29 damn irc 15:41:46 . (') 15:41:46 . / / 15:41:46 . / / 15:41:46 .(_)_) 15:41:46 .DJc 15:41:58 here ;p dynamic length 15:42:22 i'm mad 15:42:26 i.. see.. 15:43:24 but i said, it's inspired by one guy who's sooo DAMN & HELL & DAMN MAD 15:45:24 ok 15:45:43 gregorr? :p 15:46:04 no ;] 15:46:19 haha 15:50:11 well 15:50:34 too much vodka on hackers' conference :| 15:50:42 hah:( 15:51:01 which was it called? 15:51:07 the conference? 15:51:10 (anyways, i'm off to desert now, be back soon) 15:51:11 yeah 15:51:16 IGK 15:51:20 or dessert 15:51:23 year, dessert 15:51:25 it's local one 15:51:46 you can't know it ;] 15:52:02