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20:50:01 <ihope> Hmm... I get a 403 error whenever I try to edit the Wiki or log on.
20:50:18 <ihope> Is there some broken CAPTCHA in here?
21:30:18 <SimonRC> Quote: "I once worked on a project where all code was created using CodeGeneration. It was a complete mess - jumps everywhere, different calling conventions for different functions and all sorts of crazy things. I told the team they were crazy - how could anyone work with this?" ...
21:31:01 <SimonRC> ... "They replied that I shouldn't be programming in assembly and I should let the compiler take care of it."
21:33:59 <SimonRC> .'. There is nothing wrong with code generation *if* you treat the generated code as a form of object/intermediate code.
21:34:33 <ihope> There's nothing wrong with code generation if you never look at the code it generates?
21:35:01 <SimonRC> e.g.: /* This code is machine generated. You should not edit this code, for the same reason that you do not edit compiler output. */
21:35:23 <SimonRC> Don't put it in source control, either.
21:35:54 <SimonRC> Treat it with the same rules as any other intermediate code.
21:36:10 * SimonRC continues to ramble in this way for several minutes.
21:36:28 <lindi-> and yet people still put binaries to CVS
21:37:03 <SimonRC> That is asking for trouble, IMHO.
21:37:13 <lindi-> SimonRC: yes and makes building from source very difficult
21:37:37 <lindi-> SimonRC: an average java "source" arhive includes 3-10 jar files for dependencies
21:38:01 <SimonRC> Makefiles are quite capable of expressing the relationship between code-generator input and code-generator output.
21:38:13 <SimonRC> They are good for all *sorts* of stuff.
21:41:02 <SimonRC> Oh, BTW, one-shot code generation is not bad.
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