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04:47:37 <jix> moin everyone
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05:37:13 <lucien> bonjour
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05:37:24 <nameless> hello
05:37:29 <nameless> someone here ?
05:37:31 <kipple> hi
05:40:10 <nameless> i wanted to have information about creation of programming language 
05:41:16 <nameless> i've got a project of language, but i don't know what is the easier way to develop it
05:46:27 <nameless> nobody can help me ?
05:46:51 <kipple> what exactly is it you need help with?
05:47:47 <kipple> designing the language itself, or implementing it?
05:48:26 <nameless> i want to create the language
05:48:33 <nameless> this language doesn't exist yet
05:48:38 <nameless> i want to create a compilator
05:48:41 <nameless> if you want
05:50:55 <kipple> ok
05:53:00 <kipple> what kind of language is it?
05:53:23 <kipple> i.e. what languages is it similar to (if any)
05:58:56 <nameless> hum
05:59:03 <nameless> it's kind imperatif
05:59:12 <nameless> but i want to implemente a new method
05:59:19 <nameless> autoprogrammation
05:59:30 <nameless> i want to use list to save the syntax
05:59:49 <nameless> a non static syntax if you want
05:59:55 <nameless> or a dynamic syntax language
06:00:03 <nameless> :)
06:00:16 <jix> sounds interesting
06:00:28 <jix> but i'd implement such a language using an interpreter instead of a compiler
06:00:45 <nameless> hum...
06:00:57 <nameless> my first idea was to develop in pascal
06:01:08 <nameless> with dynamic list
06:01:23 <nameless> but i want to have information to know other method of development
06:01:23 <jix> and where is the problem?
06:01:28 <jix> ah
06:01:40 <nameless> the easier way, the best way, the other way
06:01:55 <jix> i'd choose a language that is somewhat similar to the language you want to implement
06:02:15 <nameless> so i have to learn lisp ... arf
06:02:21 <kipple> LISP is very good for doing dynamic stuff like that...
06:02:33 <nameless> yep
06:02:43 <jix> nah... LISP isn't the only language that is able to do dynamic list stuff
06:03:07 <kipple> I guess some of the newer langs like haskell or ruby would also be fine
06:03:18 <jix> yeah but haskell isn't good for imperative languages....
06:03:24 <jix> i'd choose ruby
06:04:30 <nameless> ruby ?
06:04:36 <nameless> i don't know this language
06:05:29 <jix> nameless: it's a mix of perl python smalltalk and something new
06:05:37 <nameless> hum...
06:05:46 <jix> it's easy to learn and is Object Orientated
06:05:53 <nameless> ok
06:06:04 <jix> has dynamic arrays, bignums and everything
06:06:49 <jix> nameless: http://ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/ << this is a good tutorial
06:07:42 <nameless> do you know if exist a ruby and lisp compilator on ubuntu ?N
06:07:48 <jix> ruby isn't compiled
06:07:51 <jix> ruby is intepreted
06:08:04 <jix> and yes the ruby interpreter should be in the ubuntu package system
06:08:11 <nameless> ok
06:08:13 <nameless> thx
06:08:41 <nameless> it's true lol
06:08:42 <jix> and if you decide to use lisp i'd use SBCL but i don't know wether it's in the ubunto package system
06:08:44 <nameless> i already have ruby
06:08:55 <nameless> SBCL ?
06:08:58 <nameless> what is ?
06:09:01 <jix> Steel Bank Common Lisp
06:15:47 <nameless> do u know the name of the list packet on ubuntu ?
06:16:10 <nameless> i search on synaptic (packet gestionnar) but i have many packet
06:17:12 <nameless> i found sbcl :D
06:19:40 <jix> nameless: oh and a good lisp tutorial: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/
06:20:18 <nameless> thx
06:21:04 <nameless> i'll give you information when my DSLC (Dynamic Syntax Language Compiler) will be finish :)
06:28:28 <nameless> how can i wrote on screen a what contain's ruby's variable ?
06:28:35 <nameless> or a calcul
06:28:48 <nameless> when i do 1 + 1
06:29:04 <nameless> nothing happenend
06:32:52 <nameless> forget
06:33:00 <nameless> i'll read some tutos
06:33:04 <nameless> bye thx for all
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09:04:56 <nooga> hi!
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10:08:37 <ihope> Hmm, botbotbot.
10:10:31 <nooga> hm?
10:11:29 <ihope> My IRC bot isn't finished.
10:11:34 <ihope> I started over.
10:11:57 <ihope> Now I have to use enumerated types for things that enumerated types should be used for.
10:12:47 <nooga> i'm writing lambda calculus evaluator as a core of sadol ]|[
10:18:32 <ihope> Hmm, /me thinks
10:18:47 <ihope> How would these lambda thingies be represented?
10:19:52 <nooga> ~expression
10:21:29 <ihope> I mean internally, by the compiler/interpreter.
10:23:18 <nooga> oh, i'm working on it ;p
10:23:35 <ihope> Heh...
10:23:47 <ihope> You could parse it into SKI calculus.
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10:25:38 <nooga> that's an idea
10:35:34 <ihope> Blum blum shub ding-a-ling prung...
10:36:21 <ihope> Nope.
10:36:57 <nooga> ?
10:37:19 <ihope> I can't figure out how to represent SKI calculus in SADOL ;-)
10:37:31 <nooga> me either
10:37:48 <nooga> but SADOL ]|[ can be different from previous
10:47:28 <ihope> "I see," said the blind man as he spit into the wind. "It's all coming back to me now..."
10:47:54 <nooga> o.O/?
10:49:15 <ihope> "I see," said the blind man as he spit into the wind. "It's all coming back to me now..."
10:50:56 <nooga> nose hump
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11:23:21 <fuse> hello
11:23:34 <nooga> hello ;p
11:23:43 <fuse> nooga
11:23:58 <nooga> hm?
11:24:05 <fuse> i got to brag and boast about this to someone
11:24:08 <fuse> really, it's killing me
11:24:15 <fuse> I WON THE 18TH IOCCC
11:24:18 <fuse> DAMN, I RULE
11:24:26 <fuse> there, i said it. thanks for your attention.
11:24:50 <nooga> oh
11:24:58 <fuse> i feel much better now
11:25:06 <nooga> really, i tried to write Obfusc. C proggy
11:25:13 <nooga> wanna see
11:25:18 <fuse> i'll probably have to use a different nickname from now on
11:25:46 <fuse> so are you interested in esoteric programming languages, nooga?
11:26:35 <nooga> yea, even invented one language
11:26:57 <fuse> cool, how does it look like?
11:27:02 <fuse> got an interpreter
11:27:03 <fuse> ?
11:27:05 <nooga> sure
11:27:09 <nooga> w8
11:27:23 <ihope> W8, eh?
11:27:49 <fuse> maybe he means "wait"
11:29:20 <nooga> http://rafb.net/paste/results/E1eSiP45.html << whis is my obfuscated c attempt ;p (only header actually)
11:29:48 <nooga> http://esolangs.org/wiki/SADOL << here's my eso lang
11:31:00 <nooga> http://rafb.net/paste/results/YvYKS271.html << and this is unfinished rest of this obfuscated proggy :/
11:31:28 <fuse> the first one looks readable with gcc -E :)
11:31:58 <nooga> because it is ;p
11:32:37 <fuse> hahah, cool
11:32:39 <nooga> http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-sadol-989.html :>
11:33:17 <fuse> woot
11:33:32 <nooga> hm?
11:33:39 <fuse> nice
11:34:06 <ihope> :-)
11:34:09 <nooga> ty
11:34:17 <fuse> my ioccc entry: http://www.fzort.org/mpr/hacks/mpr-ioccc-2005.c.txt
11:35:33 <nooga> wohoo
11:36:32 <fuse> ... and the corresponding remarks file: http://www.fzort.org/mpr/hacks/mpr-ioccc-2005.remarks.txt
11:37:27 <nooga> n/c
11:37:54 * ihope tests to see how good whatever compression algorithm
11:37:58 <ihope> ...is
11:38:12 <fuse> it has zero compression
11:38:25 <ihope> Um...
11:38:41 <fuse> in fact, it performs negative compression
11:39:14 <nooga> erm
11:39:54 <fuse> i tried to implement run-length encoding, but there was no way to make the code fit within the required size constraints
11:40:28 <fuse> so i just left it out
11:40:40 <ihope> Now, should I write that Malbolge "Hello, world!" program now or later?
11:41:09 <fuse> i think someone already did that :)
11:41:39 <nooga> fuse: can you write an obfuscated quine in C? 
11:42:10 <fuse> nooga: here's one i wrote a while ago: http://fuse.superglue.se/life.c.txt
11:42:57 <fuse> nooga: it's not technically a quine, since the output doesn't look exactly like the original program
11:42:59 <nooga> gulp
11:43:05 <fuse> nooga: it's close though
11:43:11 <nooga> (4:C",216!"9(4:C",216!C!C!"9(4:C",216!C!C
11:43:22 <fuse> heh
11:43:23 <nooga> now, here's a SADOL quine, already obfuscated :>
11:44:15 <fuse> cool
11:44:45 * jix has to write a rhotor quine
11:45:26 <nooga> jix: do you have an idea how to write rhotor interpreter in strictly imperative language? :p
11:45:50 <jix> yes
11:46:09 <nooga> oh great
11:46:15 <nooga> i'm so stupid
11:46:21 <fuse> nooga: a bunch of quines: http://fuse.superglue.se/quines.txt
11:46:30 <nooga> even you can implement lazy evaluation -.-'
11:46:51 <fuse> what's rhotor, excuse my ignorance?
11:47:11 <nooga> a language invented by jix
11:47:31 <nooga> fuse: u r real C hacker... never saw one ;]
11:47:45 <fuse> heh
11:47:55 <fuse> nah
11:50:54 <nooga> lol, por que you gave your root pasword on your homepage? hm?
11:51:11 <fuse> i don't believe in passwords
11:52:31 <nooga> and that's the reason? ;p
11:52:45 <fuse> yeah. pwn my computer!
11:54:01 * fuse browses esolangs.org
11:55:42 <nooga> i feel confused and tricked
11:56:29 <nooga> well, g2g, bye
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11:56:37 <fuse> bye!
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12:14:08 <jix> !rhotor <r,y/x/r<s,a,b/a,<s.s,b>\q/<%34>,r<s,<%92>,b/<%92>,<%92>,<s.s,b>\s,a,b/a,<s.s,b>\p/<%34>,<%44>,<%60>,<%62>,<%10>,<>>,y>,y><s,a/s.s,a>,%"<r,y/x/r<s,a,b/a,<s.s,b>\\q/<%34>,r<s,<%92>,b/<%92>,<%92>,<s.s,b>\\s,a,b/a,<s.s,b>\\p/<%34>,<%44>,<%60>,<%62>,<%10>,<>>,y>,y><s,a/s.s,a>,%",<>
12:14:29 <jix> that's my quine
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13:18:46 <SimonRC> jix: euch
13:19:54 <jix> SimonRC: euch?
13:22:11 <SimonRC> you rquine looks horrible
13:22:31 <jix> yes
13:25:30 <SimonRC> hmm
13:26:14 <SimonRC> Does rhotor *really* use improper lists or is that a mistake in the wiki?
13:27:20 <jix> improper lists?
13:28:24 <jix> well it doesn't use lists at all.. rhotor uses cons.... and your program uses them to implement some kind of list
13:28:51 <jix> but IO is done with proper lists
13:29:12 <jix> ah and yes the default syntax creates inproper lists
13:31:57 <SimonRC> The wiki says: "Strings are written as <byte1>,<byte2>...<byteN>."
13:32:22 <SimonRC> rather than: "Strings are written as <byte1>,<byte2>...<byteN>,<>"
13:32:28 <jix> hmm yes you're right
13:32:35 <jix> BUT the %"test" syntax creates improper lists
13:32:55 <SimonRC> !
13:33:02 <jix> so you'd have to write %"test",<> for a proper list
13:33:33 <jix> feel free to fix that
13:33:48 * SimonRC reads the source.
13:34:01 <SimonRC> You were inspired by Shakell, yes?
13:34:10 <jix> no
13:34:19 <SimonRC> Though you used more than one file, unlike me.
13:34:24 <SimonRC> oh
13:34:28 <jix> i wasn't inspired by shakell
13:34:36 <SimonRC> Aaaaaaaaaaaargh!
13:34:51 <SimonRC> TABS!!!
13:34:56 <jix> SimonRC: TABS?!
13:35:10 <jix> tell me i didn't used tabs.. i never use them
13:35:23 <jix> but i never changed the default for haskell D'OH
13:37:19 <SimonRC> You used 4-space tabs (4 spaces == nice indent), but emacs is configured for 8-space-tabs.
13:37:43 <SimonRC> (in Haskell mode)
13:37:50 <SimonRC> Probably because you aren't supposed to use tabs in Haskell.
13:40:25 <jix> updated a new version with spaces instead of tabs
13:47:12 <SimonRC> Have you considered using Parsec, instead of rolling-your-own?
13:49:04 <jix> yes but i was faster writing my own than learning how to use parsec
13:49:50 <jix> but the result is very ugly
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14:06:20 <GregorR_> calamari!
14:06:26 <GregorR_> Give me SVN commit privileges!
14:06:26 <GregorR_> O_O
14:06:27 <calamari> Gregor!
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14:06:58 <calamari> g1mm3 0pzzzzzzzzz!!!!!11one
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14:27:36 <fuse_> hello
14:27:41 <calamari> hi fuse
14:27:52 <fuse_> hey, what's going on?
14:28:01 <calamari> not too much, just working
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14:47:04 <SimonRC> hi
14:47:10 <fuse_> hello
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14:49:01 <ihope_> Arr, it be the underscores!
14:49:10 <ihope_> Aye? It be the underscores?
14:49:20 <ihope_> Aye, it be the underscores!
14:49:31 <ihope_> Oh no, it be the underscores!
14:49:39 <ihope_> Arr, it be the UNDERSCORES!
14:49:46 <fuse_> hahah
14:52:27 <fuse_> (Arr|Aye|Oh no)(,|?) (it|It) be the (underscores|UNDERSCORES)(!|?)
14:52:37 <fuse_> 48 combinations
14:52:41 <ihope_> :-)
14:53:09 <ihope_> Oh no? It be the UNDERSCORES?
14:53:31 <ihope_> By the way, I think that should be (, it|? It).
14:53:47 <fuse_> true
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15:14:38 <jix> GregorR: are you moving c2bf to svn?
15:15:18 <calamari> btw, did you request the c2bf project?
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17:51:16 <nameless> hi
17:51:57 <lament> hi?
17:52:09 <calamari> ho
17:52:53 <nameless> can you give me some information about compiler 
17:53:11 <calamari> which compiler
17:53:19 <nameless> in general
17:53:28 <nameless> i'm programming a language
17:53:28 <calamari> oh, you mean writing compilers?
17:53:31 <nameless> nono
17:53:38 <nameless> i'm programming a language
17:53:44 <nameless> but i want some information
17:53:55 <nameless> about who is stocked variable information
17:54:13 <lament> what?
17:54:44 <nameless> when user make for example : 
17:54:49 <nameless> MyVariable : integer;
17:54:55 <nameless> MyVariable := 12;
17:55:06 <nameless> who is stocked MyVariable information ?
17:55:12 <nameless> type, value adress etc..
17:55:20 <nameless> name
17:55:24 <nameless> size of type
17:55:43 <nameless> not who but how ^^
17:55:50 <calamari> are you asking where the information is being stored?
17:55:55 <nameless> where and how
17:56:25 <calamari> well, it depends
17:56:35 <calamari> is this variable created dynamically or statically?
17:56:45 <nameless> dynamically
17:57:03 <nameless> i'm implementing a dynamic syntax language :)
17:57:18 <calamari> well then store it in memory when it is created
17:57:36 <calamari> using a data structure that holds all the info that you want
17:57:50 <nameless> a list of data structur
17:57:54 <nameless> dynamic list
17:58:35 <nameless> so i have to emulate the stack all things considerate
17:58:50 <nameless> considered*
18:01:10 <calamari> what language is the compiler written in?
18:01:34 <nameless> i code in pascal
18:04:24 <calamari> are you compiling to machine code, asm, pascal, something else?
18:05:10 <nameless> pascal
18:05:35 <nameless> i develop a new language with pascal language
18:05:55 <nameless> i create a compiler 
18:05:58 <nameless> if you want
18:06:42 <calamari> I'm not too familiar with pascal, does it allow dynamic memory?  if so, you already know how to handle the situation
18:07:58 <calamari> dynamic variables rather
18:08:45 <nameless> "does it allow dynamic memor" => yes using pointer
18:08:58 <nameless> ok thx
18:09:01 <nameless> merci 
18:12:38 <calamari> have fun :)
18:14:10 <nameless> :)
18:14:19 <nameless> have you developped some esoteric language ?
18:15:27 <calamari> yep!
18:15:58 <calamari> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Jeffry_Johnston
18:18:20 <nameless> ho you develop a brainfuck compiler
18:18:22 <nameless> nice ^^
18:18:35 <calamari> thanks, it was fun :)
18:19:29 <nameless> arf numberix seems really hard
18:20:11 <calamari> numberix isn't that special really.. I tohught I'd come up with something new (based on Wierd), then I found out about befunge later hehe
18:20:19 <nameless> hehe
18:20:41 <nameless> what is a spaghetti code ?
18:20:54 <calamari> unfortunately my shell is down again
18:21:54 <nameless> linguine seems really interessant language
18:23:05 <calamari> thanks, I like it too
18:23:47 <calamari> been coding an encryption routine in it
18:24:07 <calamari> eventualyl if I get far enough it can be used to play games in here
18:24:13 <nameless> yep
18:24:47 <nameless> is exist some real and complete language on wiki ?
18:25:02 <calamari> what you you mean by that?
18:25:06 <calamari> do you 
18:25:34 <nameless> i quickly read some language from the esoteric list language on the wiki
18:25:44 <nameless> but i don't read a really serious language 
18:25:59 <calamari> what's your definition of a serious language?
18:26:08 <nameless> i mean language where i can easily and clearly code
18:26:17 <nameless> and strong
18:26:26 <nameless> with many possibility
18:26:40 <calamari> well, many of the languages onm the wiki are turing complete, so they can compute anything that any other language can compute
18:27:20 <nameless> yes but i can't coded really with this language
18:27:23 <calamari> but usually if a language is too obvious or easy to program in, then it's not really esoteric 
18:27:56 <nameless> so esoteric language is just for hackers programmers who want makes virus impossible to understand ^^ ?
18:28:25 <jix> 0o
18:28:35 <calamari> it goes to the definition of esoteric: designed for or understood only by the specially initiated
18:29:04 <calamari> so if anyone can understand without putting effort in, it's not esoteric :)
18:30:33 <calamari> hmm, that's interesting.. afaik no one has coded up an esoteric virus.. hehe
18:31:21 <nameless> really ?
18:31:23 <nameless> no one ?
18:31:58 <nameless> why ?
18:32:14 <calamari> most people here aren't into causing problems.. we want to learn different languages and ways of coding things :)
18:34:02 <calamari> I happen to enjoy minimalistic languages
18:35:05 <nameless> hum...
18:35:32 <nameless> i prefer search new method of programming
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20:08:51 <jix> gn8
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