00:42:23 <handongseong> Glypho -> Gly4(four) which has instruction of 4 symbols
00:42:36 <handongseong> i would make Gly3 which has instruction of 3 symbols
00:43:15 <handongseong> so there would be 5 different patterns
00:44:12 <handongseong> i'll make it like udage+glypho:
00:45:48 <handongseong> aaa : change BV of a, aab : change PV of a with BV of b
00:45:54 <handongseong> and so on
00:46:32 <handongseong> oh i'm gs30ng
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01:55:49 <ZeroOne> hey... anyone wants a Gmail invitation? 
02:01:53 <ZeroOne> probably not... I'm obviously a few months late with this. ;)
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02:22:23 * GregorR does not HAVE and does not WANT GMail
02:37:04 <kipple> hehe. I was browsing the Klingon language article on the wikipedia (I'm updating the var'aq article), and I noticed that there is a Klingon edition of the Wikipedia :D
02:45:12 <handongseong> yeap
02:45:56 <graue> update the var'aq article on esolang too
02:46:16 <kipple> that's the one I was updating
02:46:26 <kipple> just some small changes
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03:01:47 <graue> oh, ok
03:02:42 <WildHalcyon> hey grau
03:02:48 <WildHalcyon> e*
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04:13:48 <graue> WildHalcyon, good day
04:14:38 <graue> apparently washing machines are controlled by firmware these days
04:14:51 <graue> wonder if I could hack my washing machine and make it run a Brainfuck interpreter
04:23:12 <Gs30ng> WildHalcyon, here's the figure that would help your comprehension about udage parsing priority
04:23:14 <Gs30ng> http://gs30ng.exca.net/udagewiki/pds/priority%5Fimage%5F01.png
04:24:16 <Gs30ng> i'm adding some information about priority problem on the spec page of wiki with that image
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09:46:28 <nooga> hi :D
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10:37:30 <nooga> hm
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15:31:46 <jix> HAHA
15:31:49 <jix> great idea:
15:31:49 <jix> http://ruby-talk.org/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/159518
15:34:40 <Gs30ng> another great idea of Pattern Based programming
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19:23:56 <GregorR> 'lo
19:24:31 <calamari> hi GregorR 
19:24:41 <GregorR> How goes the squid today?
19:25:26 <jix> i'm working on a unbreakable encryption!
19:25:28 <calamari> not too bad.. the cable is getting activated today, so I'm excited about that
19:25:30 <jix> that is easy to brake
19:25:38 <GregorR> 8-D
19:25:53 <GregorR> So it can't be broken, but it can be slowed to a stop?
19:25:54 <jix> (i have no idea how secure it is)
19:27:12 <calamari> if you want to find out, there is a newsgroup that you can post the algorithm to
19:27:37 <jix> i don't even know if it is decryptable ^^
19:27:40 <jix> should be
19:27:44 <jix> if i made no mistakes
19:28:09 <jix> hmm
19:28:26 <jix> "Hallo wie geht es dir?" != "??H??,?u;۳=s?d?? 6"
19:32:10 <jix> crypt_map shuffle wasn't reversible
19:53:41 <jix> works now
19:54:07 <GregorR> Umm
19:54:18 <GregorR> If it's not decryptable, wouldn't it be a hash :P
19:54:30 <jix> no..
19:54:42 <jix> a hash has some other important (argh word missing)
19:54:52 <GregorR> Features?
19:54:58 <jix> properties
19:55:01 <jix> ?
19:55:43 <GregorR> Same idea.
19:56:17 <jix> it has a good coverage over all bits (like a checksym) it's hard/impossible to generate a content that maches the hash 
19:56:28 <jix> a cryptographic hash
19:56:59 <jix> for a hash trees tables... the coverage over all bits is important
19:57:17 <jix> the 2nd thing isn't important for that
20:07:10 <jix> argh encrypting 1kb of zeros results in a chi-square test result of "almost suspect"
20:12:31 <jix> fixed
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20:13:42 <Airrick112> Namaste all
20:14:02 <GregorR> Umm, hi.
20:14:59 <Airrick112> what is this room about? Esoterism?
20:15:33 <GregorR> Esoteric programming languages.
20:17:08 <Airrick112> um
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20:19:20 <cpressey> hehehe
20:19:31 <GregorR> We win!
20:19:32 <cpressey> too esoteric for even the esotericists.
20:19:38 <cpressey> :)
20:21:53 <GregorR> Oh, that reminds me.
20:22:05 <GregorR> Somebody mentioned that there had been one female in this room, ever, a Rosemary.
20:22:09 <GregorR> I just remembered talking to her.
20:22:16 <GregorR> I said hi, so she PM'd me (grr).
20:22:22 <GregorR> She thought this room was about psychics XD
20:24:18 <Robdgreat> well, it could be argued that many of the discussions here run to the paranormal
20:24:44 <jix> my encryption is somewhat based on the chaos function ~3.9*x*(1-x)
20:24:58 <GregorR> True XD
20:28:04 <jix> ultra-hard test... encrypting zeros without salt
20:30:01 <jix> passed
20:33:44 <calamari> how about 1's
20:34:07 <GregorR> ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ
20:34:14 <jix> passed
20:34:29 <calamari> here, try it on my credit card #
20:34:39 <calamari> (NOT)
20:34:49 <GregorR> And social security number
20:34:58 <GregorR> And that three-digit security number on the back of my credit card.
20:35:04 <GregorR> And my birthday!
20:35:08 <GregorR> And my mother's maiden name!
20:35:45 <calamari> I love how I have to use my ssn for everything these days
20:36:00 <calamari> to sign up for cable, I had to give it? why?  so they could run a credit check
20:39:13 <calamari> but, I'm a libertarian, so most everything relating to the govt upsets me these days ;)
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20:45:32 <jix> moin WildHalcyon 
20:45:38 <WildHalcyon> hey jix
20:45:44 <WildHalcyon> whats going down?
20:46:34 * jix writes an encryption algorithm
20:47:58 <WildHalcyon> encryption, eh?
20:48:18 <WildHalcyon> Where up is down, and right is left, and two dozen is 47*sqrt(2) ?
20:48:44 <jix> up can be everything.. (it's salted)
20:48:53 <WildHalcyon> salted?
20:49:02 <jix> same input => different output
20:49:08 <WildHalcyon> Oh, I see
20:49:29 <WildHalcyon> a reverse hash?
20:49:43 <jix> uhm no
20:50:06 <jix> you can think of it as prepending the msg a random number and xor the msg by that number
20:50:26 <WildHalcyon> np: Dragon God
20:50:33 <WildHalcyon> XD
20:51:38 <WildHalcyon> Okay, how is the number chosen?
20:52:05 <jix> mersenne twister prng inited with time and pid
20:52:25 <jix> in my implementation
20:52:40 <WildHalcyon> Isnt the MT a poor choice for encryption?
20:52:55 <jix> in my case not
20:53:45 <jix> because it's only a salt and the 2nd byte of the number is allready encrypted with the key ... and i don't generate many random numbers (MT is a bad choice for one time pad where you generate a random number for every byte)
20:55:16 <WildHalcyon> good point then I guess
20:57:33 <jix> i think the algorithm is weak as hell... because i wrote it to be secure
20:58:34 <WildHalcyon> I generally go for "different" as opposed to weak. Im less concerned with secure cryptography, since any cryptography algorithm I could devise would be made more secure by performing a secure algorithm on top of it.
20:59:34 <jix> rot13 isn't getting more secure by adding another rot13
21:00:05 <jix> huh longer key => worse statistical results?
21:00:27 <WildHalcyon> hwa?
21:00:33 <WildHalcyon> wha even
21:01:30 <jix> hrhr
21:01:37 <WildHalcyon> I don't really count rot13, since the caesar cipher is incredibly easy to break.
21:01:53 <WildHalcyon> cryptograms are more secure than rot13
21:02:01 <jix> any monoalphabetic cipher is easy to break
21:02:13 <jix> even if there are symbols! possible keys
21:02:43 <WildHalcyon> I was thinking more along the lines of a glypho-based cipher
21:03:06 <jix> glypho based?
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21:03:19 <jix> A => some cryptic symbol B=> some other cryptic symbol ?
21:03:21 <jix> moin Keymaker 
21:03:24 <Keymaker> hello
21:03:28 <Keymaker> woah, the channel is full
21:03:48 <WildHalcyon> yes. By encoding the underlying symbols as a pattern (A => aaaa, B=> aaab, C=> aaba, etc)
21:03:55 <jix> au
21:03:58 <jix> -u+h
21:04:09 <WildHalcyon> then randomly assigning a's and b's from a symbol set (say a-z)
21:04:54 <WildHalcyon> ggggiiiakkek would yield abc
21:06:04 <WildHalcyon> not very secure, especially if you know glypho coding
21:06:37 <WildHalcyon> it breaks down into a cryptogram type puzzle fairly quickly
21:07:00 <WildHalcyon> Im brainstorming ways to make it more secure
21:07:05 <jix> => monoalphabetic
21:07:07 <jix> => unsecure
21:07:28 <jix> first use my chaomatic encryption than apply glypho coding
21:07:45 <WildHalcyon> chaomatic?
21:08:15 <jix> it's based on the chaos function x -> ~3.9*x*(1-x)
21:08:34 <WildHalcyon> ah, logistic map
21:08:47 <jix> and on a character substitution table that is shuffled every byte
21:09:03 <jix> with a high data => encryption state feed back ratio
21:09:38 <jix> x is changed depending on the last byte and the table is shuffled depending on x and on the last byte
21:10:19 <jix> and the byte is encrypted by the salt and key
21:10:39 <jix> and i always hit the eject key on my keyboard
21:10:42 <WildHalcyon> I'm all about character substitution tables shuffled at every byte
21:10:45 <WildHalcyon> eject?
21:10:52 <jix> cd-eject
21:10:57 <WildHalcyon> Oh, okay
21:11:05 <Keymaker> (interesting project jix)
21:11:10 <WildHalcyon> I dont have that key
21:11:35 <jix> but i've paid extra money for that key!
21:11:41 <jix> (and for the apple on the keyboard ;)
21:12:03 <WildHalcyon> so you have an apple keyboard and a windows mouse?
21:12:09 <jix> yes
21:12:15 <jix> and an apple computer
21:12:19 <WildHalcyon> cool then
21:12:29 <jix> and a samsung and a philips screen
21:12:42 <jix> (the samsung one is better)
21:13:01 <Keymaker> (interesting thing in the logs was that someone was asking if this was a room for esoterism.. :D)
21:13:14 <WildHalcyon> what is that?
21:13:21 <jix> yeah.. stupid idea... #esoteric a room for esoterism ...
21:13:30 <WildHalcyon> :-( windows hates me
21:13:35 <WildHalcyon> I want a better OS
21:13:39 <jix> it's the other way around here
21:13:42 <jix> i hate windows
21:14:27 <Keymaker> just wait for windows vista then ;)
21:14:42 <Keymaker> (joke)
21:14:58 <WildHalcyon> It thinks I pirated this copy of windows, which I technically did, but only because the CD that M$ gave me didn't work, and they refused to give me a new one. Rather than be out $300, I got this one from a friend
21:15:27 <jix> m$ is slow... they don't release a mayor os version each year
21:15:42 <WildHalcyon> Now I can't update it, to hopefully fix this freezing issue
21:18:38 <Keymaker> grhh.. have to let others use computer, bbl..
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21:19:00 <WildHalcyon> I want to use linux, but I dont know if they'll ever support my audio card or wireless card
21:22:09 <jix> write your own os
21:22:21 <jix> i'd like to build a robot
21:22:31 <WildHalcyon> I dont have that kind of expertise
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21:22:41 <jix> moin canislupus 
21:22:42 <WildHalcyon> plus, then I would need to write a web browser
21:22:49 <jix> WildHalcyon: port one
21:23:10 <WildHalcyon> after I write my own OS?
21:23:17 <jix> right
21:23:19 <canislupus> moin all
21:24:16 <jix> WildHalcyon: better idea... design your own cpu build your own computer with your own os and your own programmming language with your own browser written in it to view pages in your own format delivered over your own network
21:25:02 <canislupus> ohh i see esoteric ;-)
21:25:26 <jix> WildHalcyon: write a befunge cpu
21:25:28 <WildHalcyon> A much better idea jix
21:25:39 <WildHalcyon> Jix, Ive got my own fungeoid in the works
21:25:51 <jix> ARGH 
21:25:54 <jix> eject again
21:25:57 <WildHalcyon> no, different one
21:26:00 <WildHalcyon> not ARGH
21:26:04 <WildHalcyon> although that's a cool one
21:26:04 <jix> lol
21:26:21 <jix> ARGH is more than a computer language
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21:26:37 <GlyphoGuru> it is?
21:26:44 <GlyphoGuru> I know nothing outside the esolang world
21:26:55 <jix> it's like d'oh or..
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21:27:33 <jix> Hm?
21:27:39 <GlyphoGuru> D'oh, D'oh I know
21:29:39 <GlyphoGuru> I've been thinking of a multi-threaded networked befunge for distributed computing
21:31:18 <GlyphoGuru> be back in a sec
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21:35:14 <GlyphoGuru> Did I miss anything?
21:37:09 <jix> no
21:41:23 <GlyphoGuru> Didn't think so
21:42:32 <calamari> WildHalcyon: which audio card and wireless card do you have?
21:42:57 <GlyphoGuru> calamari: I've got an on-board audio card... I don't remember the name, hold on while I investigate.
21:43:13 <GlyphoGuru> The wireless "card" is a proxim orinoco USB adapter
21:44:27 <calamari> and it doesn't work with ubuntu?
21:44:42 <GlyphoGuru> ubuntu?
21:45:28 <calamari> linux distro
21:45:39 <GlyphoGuru> never heard of it XD
21:45:41 <GlyphoGuru> Im not sure
21:45:49 <calamari> I started using it because it worked with my audio card when none of the others did
21:46:18 <GlyphoGuru> It might then, its worth a shot, especially considering the fact that I have an unused 100GB partition on my HD
21:46:36 <calamari> you can test it out using the live cd
21:47:20 <GlyphoGuru> live CD?
21:48:26 <GlyphoGuru> Hmm
21:48:32 * GlyphoGuru looking at the ubuntu website
21:48:38 <calamari> it is able to use my soundcard, the mpu401 midi daughterboard on the card, printer, joystick, scanner, digital camera, well everything :)
21:48:39 <GlyphoGuru> Looks like it might be something to seriously consider
21:49:08 <calamari> I don't have a wireless card or usb drive so I cna't comment on that
21:49:31 <GlyphoGuru> Im not worried too much about the USB drive. Those have been pretty portable on a variety of systems
21:54:05 * GlyphoGuru has requested an ubuntu CD
21:56:06 <calamari> those take months to arrive
21:56:22 <calamari> better to download & burn
21:56:28 <GlyphoGuru> they do? :-(
21:58:12 <GlyphoGuru> my CD burner is currently inactive
21:59:31 <GlyphoGuru> Ill see if I can find one at school
22:01:54 <calamari> that's what I did because dialup takes too long
22:03:03 <GlyphoGuru> I've got "high-speed" wireless, its supposed to take another 3 minutes of downloading
22:05:16 <GlyphoGuru> They've got a lot of bandwidth though. Fastest speeds I've ever seen... 1800 K/s
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22:41:47 <ihope> Any nonlurkers? :-)
22:44:18 <ihope> None?
22:49:19 <ihope> ...Okay then.
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22:53:53 <Keymaker> i'm here!
22:53:59 <Keymaker> although a bit late to reply ;)
22:54:48 <jix> huh?
22:54:52 <GlyphoGuru> hey hey
22:54:56 <Keymaker> hey
22:55:15 <Keymaker> jix: i was answering to ihope's question about any nonlurkers
22:55:19 <Keymaker> but i was a bit too late
22:56:25 <Keymaker> grhhh. any interesting stuff?
23:05:54 <Keymaker> (seems no..)
23:07:53 * GlyphoGuru is working on some not-so-interesting stuff
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23:08:53 <Keymaker> ok
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