< 1128298273 0 :WildHalcyon!n=chatzill@216.154.205.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1128298477 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1128301846 0 :Aardwolf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ik zen der is mee weg" < 1128306259 0 :Gs30ng!i=L@211.179.80.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1128306268 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so shocked < 1128306336 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any more 'udageoid' except for Glypho and Trigger? < 1128306385 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I haven't expected any 'udageoid' because I thought it's not that notable idea < 1128306406 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well, it is, apparently < 1128306420 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also considered about the way of Glypho < 1128307829 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway Glypho exists now, seems like it's made when i was absent, i'm shocked < 1128307846 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wildhalcyon made a great work i think < 1128308501 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1128308503 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1128308546 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i'm just writing down v0.2 spec of udage < 1128308554 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of this language GregorR < 1128308740 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean what do you think of v0.1 udage < 1128308785 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(english version of v0.2 spec is unavailable for a couple of minutes, i'm just working on it) < 1128309391 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it, but I haven't had enough time to really do anything in it ... I've been busy in the past few weeks. < 1128309450 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been too. i'm preparing an exam which truly kills me < 1128309470 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy < 1128309501 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm just taking a break and devoting it to complete the spec... :) < 1128313467 0 :Sgep!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1128313970 0 :tokigun!i=tokigun@sparcs45.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1128314125 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello :) < 1128314136 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello tokigun < 1128314161 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm working on crc32 checksum in befunge < 1128314193 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working on new udage spec in english < 1128316402 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1128316413 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Udage < 1128316419 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is as far as i can do < 1128316480 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new specification is now on there... if somebody's interested, check out < 1128316515 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time it seems to be turing complete... but i'm not sure < 1128316730 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freak NANDN1 operation is gone and some new concepts from this channel are accepted < 1128316861 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so exhausted and so satisfied... except for poor english translation of stuffs. corrections are totally welcomed < 1128317400 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts on his "official broken English to correct English translator" hat.
< 1128317422 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1128317473 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, udage website(containing full spec) is also wikiwiki < 1128317478 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to correct it too < 1128317506 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, that means I can nitpick with no victim :) < 1128317597 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeap, nobody's gonna realize it ever nitpicked :) < 1128318320 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts his stamp of grammatic approval on it.
< 1128318327 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't too bad, just a few "the"s and such *shrugs* < 1128318350 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that point hurts < 1128318361 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the very victim of THE Disease < 1128318398 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears that who spend long time on coding in Malbolge cannot use THE in right way < 1128318458 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time i heard it i thought it's no more but ridiculous, but nowadays i feel like i really write some Malbolge code in my dream... < 1128319009 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1128319038 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, when you said "cannot use THE in right way" you should have said "cannot use THE in /the/ right way" < 1128319044 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1128319116 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see.. well that's a difficult point for Asian < 1128319201 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i sometimes correct some the-related mistakes of my friends, but now i feel like... they were right but i told them wrong way and made more victims of the disease... < 1128319234 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i'd rather use babelfish < 1128320639 0 :Arrogant!i=Arrogant@15.orlando-09-10rs.fl.dial-access.att.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1128322401 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friends are asking me about the spec < 1128322444 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's something confusing in spec < 1128322691 0 :Arrogant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC for those that like to be different" < 1128323174 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"to reboot" < 1128326399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1128326400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1128329552 0 :calamari!n=calamari@dialup-4.240.242.123.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1128338147 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1128340583 0 :calamari!n=calamari@dialup-4.240.244.89.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1128340884 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1128340912 0 :jix!i=jix@F3008.f.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1128340929 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin < 1128343441 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1128343487 0 :jix!i=jix@F3008.f.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1128345622 0 :fizzie!i=fis@sesefras.tky.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1128354343 0 :sp3tt!n=chatzill@cust-148-133.elhandel.umeaenergi.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1128355138 0 :Keymaker!n=no@o210.ip5.netikka.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1128355144 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1128355149 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: welcome back < 1128355557 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grhh.. writing a brainfuck program goes something like this for me: 1. write the program 2. notice that it doesn't work 3. realize some stuff that could've done other way 4. don't bother finding the bug, start writing the program again with more care < 1128355709 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the cycle repeats :) < 1128355851 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, yeah < 1128355856 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1128356175 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: haha.. same here < 1128356682 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and often the errors are so unnoticeable < 1128356698 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like moving one cell less than supposed or something like that < 1128356723 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can be often strange effects and things that look working but don't work with certain input or such < 1128356742 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because of an error somewhere) < 1128357179 0 :Gs30ng!i=L@211.179.80.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1128357245 0 :[HU]NoOnE!n=kralikba@catv-d5de965c.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1128357653 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello guys < 1128357672 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1128357719 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about entering a brainfuck golf contest, do I have any chance as a newbie? < 1128357761 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which contest? < 1128357774 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, "a" contest < 1128357783 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to ask you about all this < 1128357804 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only one brainfuck contest running i know of < 1128357819 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a difficult one... < 1128357864 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, does it have some kind of homepage? < 1128357880 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1128357892 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi keymaker < 1128357893 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Keymaker < 1128357894 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second.. < 1128357915 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/stuff/ibfc.html < 1128357920 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard, yeah < 1128357922 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1128357926 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1128357929 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker, i've just completed the new spec of udage < 1128357936 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1128357951 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1128357955 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1128357956 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can check out esolang wiki < 1128357959 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1128358005 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noone: nice to see more brainfuckers < 1128358011 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it exactly, do we use 8-bit cells? < 1128358019 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, nice to be here :) < 1128358035 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1128358038 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik 8-bit wrapping cells < 1128358046 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NONwrapping < 1128358054 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NONwrapping? < 1128358067 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1128358071 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One-byte non-wrapping memory cells, non-wrapping memory array." < 1128358079 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1128358084 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's said 8-bit as well, btw) < 1128358088 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can trash all my code :( < 1128358093 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1128358104 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byte !=> 8bit < 1128358124 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1128358128 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm confused) < 1128358133 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, didn't notice it, I was looking for 8 or 16 < 1128358142 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1128358144 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are bytes that have a different size < 1128358160 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought byte meant always 8 bits < 1128358184 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does happen if i decrement a zero byte? < 1128358191 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR < 1128358207 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1128358217 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than i'm not going to join the comp... all BF algorithms i know are for wrapping cells < 1128358236 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1128358269 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does nonwrapping mean? < 1128358274 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that < 1128358285 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you increase cell with value 255, it can not go to 0 < 1128358289 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as wrapping would do < 1128358291 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :255++ => error 0-- => error < 1128358303 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and same with decreasing, if cell is 0, it won't go to 255 if you decrease it < 1128358341 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1128358345 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and btw, noone: it is not part of brainfuck golf! < 1128358351 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1128358354 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you probably thought so because it was in bf golf forum) < 1128358373 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bf golf is not a kind of contest, but a row of contests? < 1128358374 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just using brainfuck golf forums, because i haven't bothered making own brainfuck forums < 1128358381 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1128358388 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have never ran any bf golfs < 1128358396 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just using their forum since nobody cares ;) < 1128358408 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :) < 1128358429 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, how did you end up to bfgolf forums? < 1128358487 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking around (I think "esoteric languages" in google), then I found this channel < 1128358494 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1128358497 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I saw where the logs can be found < 1128358591 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, have you programmed anything with brainfuck yet? < 1128358659 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some small excercises, like counting from 0-255 in a 16-bit one (something like BFDev) < 1128358667 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1128358668 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing really serious < 1128358672 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1128358692 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i can pretty much say this competition is impossible for you < 1128358719 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt even i get my entry done.. < 1128358754 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops... Then even a correct, non-optimal program is good to have? < 1128358768 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-optimal? < 1128358779 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, one can have non-optimal program in this competition < 1128358788 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a program that works, but is slow and big... < 1128358793 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, gotta go < 1128358796 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one must not make it with any brainfuck code generator such as bf-basic.. < 1128358800 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1128358811 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know bf-basic! < 1128358813 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1128358817 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, good :) < 1128358817 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya < 1128358819 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1128358820 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1128358856 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1128358860 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1128358869 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1128358869 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun: really interesting project! < 1128358875 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that crc32 in befunge.. < 1128358888 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it goin'? < 1128358918 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: code is complete now, but i have to make it smaller < 1128358927 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1128358930 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1128358935 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tokigun.dnip.net/.local/work/Works/esolang/befunge/crc32/code-original.txt < 1128358938 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working code here. < 1128358959 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1128358962 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to make it smaller but it doesn't work. < 1128358975 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimizing befunge can be rather hard < 1128358981 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1128358990 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1128359030 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try to read it a bit.. :) < 1128359048 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tokigun.dnip.net/.local/work/Works/esolang/befunge/crc32/design.txt < 1128359066 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before writing it, i wrote this pseudo-code to check algorithm < 1128359098 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1128359104 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that can be very very useful < 1128359167 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in funge-98, when EOF, "~" works as "r". < 1128359187 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buf in befunge-93, when EOF "~" is undefined behavior < 1128359224 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1128359236 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked several befunge-93 interpreters, and found most of them uses fgetc(stdin) or getchar() to implement "~" < 1128359246 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1128359268 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they leave the value unmodified? < 1128359285 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1128359289 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero? < 1128359293 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF < 1128359300 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm < 1128359307 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF is macro constant in C < 1128359310 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1128359323 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's -1? < 1128359334 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally it is -1 < 1128359341 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1128359344 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it has to be less than 0 < 1128359366 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have to write two codes to process EOF < 1128359383 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one for funge-98, and one for befunge-93 with fgetc) < 1128359395 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1128359478 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: have you tested it? < 1128359485 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1128359495 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have interpreter on this computer and too lazy to get one < 1128359502 0 :tokigun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1128359904 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1128361706 0 :WildHalcyon!n=chatzill@216.154.205.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1128361712 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1128361713 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy folks < 1128361721 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1128361723 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1128361725 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How have you been keymaker? < 1128361730 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally you are here WildHalcyon < 1128361739 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i am fine, thank you" < 1128361744 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1128361745 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally! < 1128361754 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1128361760 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so fascinated about glypho < 1128361767 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are? < 1128361781 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apologize for not having a basic interpreter ready yet. It's been a bad fortnight < 1128361794 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've completed new spec of udage < 1128361825 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took a look at it. It looks nice. Resembles huffman coding slightly. < 1128361846 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glypho could be better answer for symbol independentness < 1128361875 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you tell me more about huffman coding? < 1128361894 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time i tried to make udage turing complete, but i'm not sure < 1128361932 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glypho is TREMENDOUSLY independent, which has some disadvantages as well. There's some ideas I had regarding how to make it better in that respect, but I like the way its turned out < 1128361999 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i've considered about grouping several letters and checking the pattern of it < 1128362005 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huffman_coding for some huffman coding info. < 1128362012 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i supposed 3 letter grouped parsing < 1128362049 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i just screwed up because it's kinda big deal, like it is no more 'udage' < 1128362143 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ive got an extra instruction in glypho that I don't know what to do with :-(, mostly because the instruction I had in its place didnt seem to do anything < 1128362354 0 :WildHalcyon_!n=chatzill@216.154.205.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1128362471 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I think you'll find that my computer is less than stable right now < 1128362478 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found that udage seems like a typo of usage < 1128362480 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1128362514 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The words do differ by only a single letter. They convey entirely different sense of meanings however < 1128362534 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :udage sounds more like "sludge", which would be fitting for an esolang < 1128362549 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1128362568 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sludge is viscous, like tar. Therefore, udage is like a tar... pit! < 1128362583 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1128362600 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? Its a good name for an esolang. < 1128362609 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect name < 1128362642 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well even Google says "Did you mean usage?" when i try to search udage < 1128362711 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google is merely trying to confuse and disorient you. < 1128362772 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also work on a wiki named Usgae, which means joke or humor in Korean < 1128362805 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my friends ask what's wrong with me and the word 'usage' < 1128362829 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you live in korea? < 1128362832 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeap < 1128362873 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1128362946 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 3 korean in this channel < 1128362978 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 3 of us is all the esolang developer in entire korea :) < 1128363039 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well... maybe the fact that i'm purely korean makes my english suck :( < 1128363050 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't suck that bad < 1128363132 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest 2 korean's english is much better than mine < 1128363174 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats ok! < 1128363209 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me talk in udage < 1128363250 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1128363275 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/----/\\/\\\-----//\\/\/-----//\//\\-----//\//\\-----//\////-----/\//\\-----/\\\\\-----/\/\///-----//\////-----///\\/\-----//\//\\-----//\\/\\-----/\\\\/- < 1128363309 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and that means...? < 1128363315 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World! < 1128363332 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay :-) < 1128363350 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokigun, would you make him an interpreter that works on IRC? < 1128363611 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I get the glypho interpreter finished, I need to work on my second "language" < 1128363651 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean not a programming language? < 1128363664 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1128363685 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it could be considered a progrtamming language, but not necessarily < 1128363720 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/progrtamming/programming < 1128363741 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1128363768 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could be considered as programming language? < 1128363800 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my constructor for interactive TRANSCRIPT < 1128363806 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1128363876 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im trying to combine the interactivity of Forth with the fun IF-style programming of TRANSCRIPT < 1128363884 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the worst of both worlds! :-) < 1128363888 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1128363965 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its probably going to be object-oriented, with a verbal syntax similar to ORK < 1128363974 0 :kipple!n=marneus1@ti300720a080-4107.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1128364020 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1128364025 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as the "player" you have an inventory, and "objects" have some specific properties < 1128364100 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kipple < 1128364102 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wildhalcyon: a suggestion for the last Glypho instruction: "Pop the 4 top elements and interpret the pattern as a Glypho instruction" < 1128364115 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1128364131 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kipoohh, kip, you're outstanding! < 1128364142 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that was strange. < 1128364145 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, not bad at all! < 1128364148 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, yes, kip, you're outstanding! < 1128364155 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know ;) < 1128364160 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1128364178 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WildHalcyon_, where does the name Glypho came from? < 1128364203 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glyph means symbol, right? (or atleast something similar) < 1128364203 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I finish glypho and interactive TRANSCRIPT, Im going to start on my bestselling book series, starting with "Learn to program in Perl in 24 years!" < 1128364205 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have read the spec more carefully, but because of my humble english... :) < 1128364227 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly kip - since its composed of symbols, its glyph-oriented < 1128364258 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1128364281 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Year 5 of the book will be "sell this book, then look for a used copy later this year on ebay. Start up again at year 6." < 1128364340 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like lazy evaluation applied to writing? < 1128364421 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loosely, yes. < 1128364436 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1128364439 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like lazy evaluation applied to all walks of life. < 1128364455 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"learn brainfuck in finite time" < 1128364501 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go. just had to mention my glypho suggestion before I forget it... < 1128364504 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed later by "Eventually understand how to code in Befunge" < 1128364508 0 :noricube!n=abcd@61.97.60.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1128364509 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. bye < 1128364510 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you very much Kipple, I think its a winner! < 1128364516 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1128364615 0 :Lament!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1128364803 0 :chips!n=chips@222.122.46.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1128364828 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~udage < 1128364828 0 :chips!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ~¿©´ÝÀÌ ÄÚµå : ¿©´ÝÀÌ Äڵ带 ½ÇÇàÇÕ´Ï´Ù < 1128364865 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1128364883 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an irc bot of my friend < 1128364899 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruction ~udage interprets the udage code < 1128364932 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's something wrong with printing messages... i should ask him. wait a second < 1128364989 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1128365081 0 :noricube!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~udage < 1128365081 0 :chips!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ~udage {code} < 1128365121 0 :noricube!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~udage  < 1128365121 0 :chips!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :result: '@' < 1128365121 0 :chips!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :order:0 1 < 1128365131 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~udage /----/\\/\\\-----//\\/\/-----//\//\\-----//\//\\-----//\////-----/\//\\-----/\\\\\-----/\/\///-----//\////-----///\\/\-----//\//\\-----//\\/\\-----/\\\\/- < 1128365131 0 :chips!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :result: 'Hello, World!' < 1128365131 0 :chips!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :order:0 1 13 25 37 49 61 72 83 95 107 119 131 143 < 1128365152 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1128365763 0 :[HU]NoOnE!n=kralikba@catv-d5de965c.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1128365785 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb [HU]NoOnE < 1128365790 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1128366018 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1128366514 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1128367984 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. a brainfuck error < 1128368214 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is? < 1128368221 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underflow < 1128368226 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unmatched brace? < 1128368232 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1128368234 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underflow < 1128368236 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decrement on 0? < 1128368237 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm, yes, that could happen < 1128368243 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1128368256 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-]- < 1128368264 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1128368266 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we can just wrap it < 1128368278 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i don't use wrapping memory < 1128368328 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then its definitely an error < 1128368334 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i know :) < 1128368340 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its nice if you have arbitrarily large integers < 1128368355 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1128368379 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i should give a try at that kind of brainfuck implementation sometime < 1128368379 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think we don't even need it < 1128368386 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1128368386 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, we have infinite long tape < 1128368391 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1128368394 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1128368405 0 :Gs30ng!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then even the cells are all bit, there's no problem :) < 1128368409 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1128368455 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant that i perhaps should just try once an implementation that uses for example long ints.. doing stuff with them is naturally a lot easier than with only bytes < 1128368470 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably i don't have time to try that kind of thing for a long time < 1128368478 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i never will < 1128370186 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1128373151 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1128375634 0 :[HU]NoOnE!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1128376982 0 :J|x!i=jix@F336f.f.strato-dslnet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1128377561 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Funkadelic!" < 1128377747 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1128377751 0 :J|x!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1128380834 0 :ihope!n=ihope@c-67-172-99-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1128380878 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll go design the most comfusing game in the world now. < 1128380951 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a denial-of-service IRP virus: Goodbye everyone! < 1128380956 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1128382270 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bitte waehlen Sie eine Beerdigungnachricht"