00:00:20 <Keymaker> to note, all use of brainfuck code generators such as bf-basic is strictly forbidden
00:00:48 <kipple> that's hard to prove though
00:01:24 <Keymaker> well, one can spot the generated code quite well
00:02:55 <Keymaker> to get the winning code one needs to use brains and do tweakin' no generator can even think of
00:03:23 <Keymaker> and to note, since this is cool community nobody would use code generators anyways ;)
00:04:05 <kipple> Wow! ORK has skyrocketed on the 99bob rating list, and is now #6 :D
00:09:45 <kipple> if ORK hadn't been so excessively verbose when it comes to manipulating variables it could almost be used as a normal language :)
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00:11:28 <kipple> here's a nice contest idea for you: write an ORK implementaion in BF ;)
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00:12:44 <Keymaker> that could be a *bit* difficult
00:14:17 <Keymaker> but i assume this contest will be hard enough for most of people, including me. i have no idea yet how to code the stuff that's wanted in the comp..
00:15:14 <kipple> I'm sure it will be difficult enough :) the previous ones has been, at least for me (but I'm no good at BF programming)
00:15:45 <Keymaker> the first was rather easy, but the second was a bit harder
00:15:55 <Keymaker> i was very close getting my entry done
00:16:32 <Keymaker> these days i could easily finish it though..
00:17:11 <Keymaker> this third competition may be a bit harder than the second, not sure
00:17:33 <kipple> wasn't there like almost no entries last time?
00:17:58 <kipple> sure you want to make it even harder?
00:18:24 <Keymaker> i'm sure the last round's lack of entries was because most of the people were really busy
00:18:59 <Keymaker> believe me, the task wasn't that hard
00:19:12 <Keymaker> i got all the routines working but i couldn't make the stack work properly
00:19:39 <Keymaker> but when i saw the winning entry i realized that the stack would've been so very easy to implement by using one different method
00:19:51 <Keymaker> and if i had used that i would've got my solution working
00:25:21 <Keymaker> anyways, i think i'm going to bed. hopefully the competition is ready to be started 'later' today
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02:50:38 <kipple> haven't been able to work more on my bf-to-glypho compiler
03:03:39 <Wildhalcyon> Hmmm, bf-to-glypho would be easier than glypho-to-bf I think
03:09:02 <kipple> probably. but more importantly: bf-to-glypho would prove TC
03:13:46 <Wildhalcyon> yeah, it should work, and prove TC. Im fairly certain TC is provable, since it has random access, exact same looping as bf, and can produce an arbitrary effect at an arbitrary point
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04:19:23 <GregorR> The moon weighs 11,771,110,100,000,000,000,000 stones.
04:21:56 <GregorR> That would be a good BF project!
04:28:03 <GregorR> 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
04:28:04 <GregorR> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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15:02:55 <jix> moin everyone
15:05:43 <Wildhalcyon> Im not sure what Gregor was talkin' about... I got 1 oz = 2.8349 * 10^-5 metric tons
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15:39:18 <nooga> aaaa..tokigun..where are you?!
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16:44:31 <ihope> ...I'm working on Esos-hw version 1.0.
16:49:41 <ihope> It's pretty simple, and I'm almost done with it...
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17:59:38 <jix> Keymaker: anything new abut the bf comp?
18:00:15 <Keymaker> i hope to get it started later this night
18:01:15 <Keymaker> basically all i need to add is: judging & scoring and deadlines
18:01:24 <Keymaker> maybe some clearing and other small things
18:04:20 <jix> and the main thing is...?
18:06:59 <jix> 19:01:07<Keymaker>but the main thing is ready
18:07:16 <Keymaker> you'll see when the competition starts
18:07:31 * jix can't wait
18:07:51 <Keymaker> with that main thing i mean the competition task and instructions
18:08:31 <Keymaker> you're probably goin' to be in?
18:08:55 <jix> if i have enough time
18:09:12 <Keymaker> at least keep on eye the result(s)
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19:34:02 <Keymaker> now the only thing that is required is the dates
19:34:15 <Keymaker> (i mean dates for this competition time)
19:34:40 <Keymaker> [well, real dates are missing as well]
19:35:35 <Keymaker> the time could end 1st november
20:05:02 <Keymaker> the new brainfuck competition, Integer Brainfuck Competition, has started
20:05:04 <Keymaker> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1360541&forum_id=201037
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20:28:30 <Keymaker> i just told that the new bf competition has begun!
20:33:08 <Keymaker> but the main thing are the two-byte integers
20:35:43 <GregorR-L> Well, I'll start writing in a bit, but will fail miserably *shrugs*
20:36:47 <Keymaker> i'd be interested how it would affect if info about this competition would be posted in slashdot. i mean, can they actually code or just talk crap x)
20:37:19 <GregorR-L> Slashdot = dumb. They can all just talk crap. Of this I am certain ;)
20:38:00 <Keymaker> better just to keep the info in esoteric programming circles
20:41:59 <GregorR-L> I can tell you one thing. The implementation I'll be using is EgoBF :)
20:43:25 <Keymaker> ok, as long as it can not generate brainfuck code
20:47:59 <jix> Keymaker: i wrote 2 byte int routines a long time ago
20:48:10 <jix> i can use them to port any 1 byte math routine to 2 byte ints
20:48:38 <jix> i wrote them for my bf checksum program (that i didn't complete)
20:48:59 <Keymaker> but please don't release them yet, so that nobody gets tips!
20:49:07 <jix> of course not
20:49:21 <jix> i want to WIN
20:49:46 <Keymaker> i just e-mailed dbc and laurent.. ;)
20:50:37 <jix> may we add instructions?
20:52:46 <Keymaker> at least not to your competition entries
20:54:16 <Keymaker> i'm sorry about that, but i think the 8 instructions are enough
20:54:44 <jix> uh r is difficult
20:55:51 <Keymaker> i'll start thinking about the integer stuff tomorrow. i have couple of ideas already, though.
20:57:30 <Keymaker> anyways, it's very good to hear you ang gregorr are going to give it a try
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21:09:57 <Keymaker> the Integer Brainfuck Competition has begun
21:10:00 <Keymaker> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1360541&forum_id=201037
21:13:20 <Wildhalcyon> Is it just me, or is quicktime not the most annoying piece of software ever implemented?
21:14:07 <jix> quicktime is very old
21:15:05 <jix> apple tries to move all the features from the old and dirty and mac os pre x-ish quicktime to the new osx core video,audio and image
21:15:48 <jix> or do you talk about the quicktime player as user?
21:17:47 <Wildhalcyon> It screws up my file dependencies, even when I tell it NOT to
21:17:52 <jix> yeah quicktime player is crap
21:18:02 <jix> i thought you talked about the quicktime lib
21:18:22 <Wildhalcyon> its the only player that can play .mov files tho
21:19:44 <jix> video lan client
21:20:07 <jix> a video player that plays many formats
21:20:23 <jix> http://videolan.org/
21:21:01 <Keymaker> i can't remember where i heard about it, it's the best player i've used
21:21:35 <jix> windows media player is crap too
21:22:08 <Wildhalcyon> Im not a big fan of wmp either, but it generally does what I ask it to do, and doesnt install iTunes at the same time
21:23:06 <jix> of course on the windows platform apple bundles quicktime with itunes
21:23:20 <jix> mac os comes with quicktime and itunes
21:23:49 <jix> oh and are you sure windows media player does what you want? .. my firewall reports many unwanted connections
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21:26:36 <jix> (connections to M$ are unwanted)
21:28:41 <Wildhalcyon> As soon as I get the opportunity to afford a new comp, I'm heading towards linux. The way its setup right now though, it won't work :-(
21:29:18 <jix> i lost my old 16-bit BF routines.. working on new ones
21:30:36 <Keymaker> this competition will be quite exiting i think
21:36:29 <Keymaker> there's interesting looking interpreter in wikipedia brainfuck article, written in some "BBC Basic"
21:36:39 <Keymaker> it seems to be new addition there, haven't noticed it before
21:50:26 <jix> 16bit ADD done
21:54:37 <jix> 16bit SUB done
21:56:45 <jix> but i can't do 16bit MUL inplace
21:57:21 <jix> for r=a+1 and r=a-1 i only needed space for r and a for r=a+b and r=a-b i only needed space for a,b and r
21:58:08 <jix> just noticed another problem with the "simple" way
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