00:17:20 <Aardwolf> How do I run the ruby code posted by jix? I typed ruby and then copypasted his code and pressed enter, but it doesn't do anything
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00:21:38 <kipple> you must end it with CTRL-D (linux) or CTRL-Z (win)
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11:14:54 <calamari> interested in comments on the following scheme:
11:15:12 <calamari> cd Befunge (would change to the Befunge wiki page)
11:15:28 <calamari> ls (would list files on the EsoShell:Befunge page)
11:16:01 <calamari> a file would be named something like wiki:HelloWorld
11:17:00 <calamari> if I wrote to "hello" it would be in RAM (not on the wiki), but I could do cp hello wiki:HelloWorld to save my changes
11:17:20 <calamari> perhaps mount Befunge is more appropriate
11:18:40 <calamari> the idea is that if I allowed regular read/write to go to the wiki, it would probably clog up the wiki will all sorts of temporary files
11:19:06 <lindi-> edit, test, edit, test, cvs commit when it's ready
11:20:27 <calamari> graue is (or did) create a special wiki namespace EsoShell
11:20:31 <lindi-> you want contribute to a wiki from EsoShell?
11:20:51 <calamari> so EsoShell:Befunge will be the place to store files for Befunge
11:21:12 <calamari> for example HelloWorld.bf (or whatever)
11:21:36 <calamari> then EsoShell can access those files from the wiki
11:22:04 <calamari> this gives it permanent storage capabilities, backed up my the reverting power of the wiki
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11:23:54 <calamari> I think it'll be a cool way to share and run esoteric programs
11:24:44 <calamari> does wiki: seem okay as a file prefix?
11:31:18 <calamari> hmm, I wonder if there is a way to get a list of all pages in a particular wiki namespace
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13:32:03 <{^Raven^}> jix: I looked at those compression schemes you suggested, only two were better than my own: rice gave 0.001% better compression and huffman gave 5% better. I have written new algorithm which is 10% better.
13:32:25 <J|x> you combined rice with mtf?
13:33:08 <{^Raven^}> no, combined my CCC1 with dictionary, it gives much better results
13:33:20 <J|x> can i have your source code and test data?
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13:41:10 <{^Raven^}> jix: http://jonripley.com/volatile/forjix.zip
13:41:59 <J|x> {^Raven^}: thanks
13:43:49 <{^Raven^}> jix: i hope that you're not entering the 2k comp, you've got all my secrets
13:44:09 <J|x> {^Raven^}: hehe
13:44:36 <J|x> i'd use zlib for compression *g*
13:44:47 <J|x> require'zlib'...
13:45:13 <{^Raven^}> erm, i would need to code the zlib decompression myself from scratch and in less than 400 bytes of code
13:45:27 <J|x> zlib is in the ruby stdlib
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13:45:43 <jix> and my old game is written in ruby
13:46:04 <jix> but i'm not going to enter with it.. it's too bad imo
13:46:29 <{^Raven^}> I'm using BBC BASIC and coding everything from scratch
13:46:49 <{^Raven^}> using no libraries or external code
13:47:02 <jix> yes the reason i don't enter is that i used zlib and i count that as cheating
13:47:32 <{^Raven^}> same here, one guy I believe is using Java and as many libraries as he can
13:48:16 <{^Raven^}> the decompression routine for Source_Old.dat is only 120 bytes
13:48:25 <jix> source code?
13:48:48 <jix> or byte-source-code-something?
13:49:29 <jix> that's short
13:50:21 <{^Raven^}> thx. Code optimisation and algorithm design is one of my specialties
13:50:30 <jix> Compress.txt is 3kb much larger
13:50:55 <{^Raven^}> The compressor can be huge as it is not part of the final product
13:52:00 <{^Raven^}> The trick is to get the best compression and have the smallest possible decompressor
13:52:50 <{^Raven^}> My new compression algorithm becomes more efficient as the size of source data increasses
13:53:57 <jix> i'm searching my old lz77 variation code
13:54:44 <jix> 31 lines of code for decompression
13:55:20 <{^Raven^}> mine is 2 lines for the current scheme and probably 5 lines for the new scheme
13:55:31 <jix> 333 bytes of non-space code (the code is indented and not written for shortness)
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13:57:51 <jix> lzjx (my lz variation) with the hard coded default settings compresses not as good as your new scheme (100 bytes larger)
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14:00:39 <jix> you have to register your nick.. they blocked unregistered users because of spamming attacks
14:00:57 <jix> but they forgot to block /me's...
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18:56:01 <graue> if whoever does the DNS for www.esolangs.org could update it, that would be nice
18:56:12 <graue> the server changed its IP address, but esoteric.voxelperfect.net still works
19:03:54 <GregorR> www.esolangs.org seems to work for me ...
19:07:14 <graue> including the wiki?
19:07:29 <graue> maybe the DNS was changed and hasn't propagated here, then
19:08:21 <jix> wooby owns it ( i scanned my logs)
19:09:09 <jix> according to domain-whois his email address is completelycrazy AT(Yes AT) aol.com
19:09:57 <graue> he delegated it to someone
19:11:59 <kipple> www.esolangs.org works fine for me as well, but the wiki gives a database error
19:12:25 <graue> that means you're accessing the old server
19:12:51 <kipple> indeed. the other address works
19:14:22 <kipple> anyway, we had a discussion here the other day about changing the default skin of the wiki to monobook (same as wikipedia). I would definately prefer that, and a couple of others agreed.
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19:26:46 <graue> think of it as a motivation to get an account (so you can switch to a better looking skin)
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21:58:07 <Aardwolf> Hey, what's this? http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Chem
22:01:55 <pgimeno> apparently something that wants to be deleted
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22:07:16 <kipple> the summary for the edit says "(Just test)".
22:07:37 <pgimeno> thanks for notifying, Aardwolf
22:07:44 <pgimeno> I've moved it to Esolang:Sandbox
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