< 1121645974 0 :BigZaphod!~BigZaphod@64-198-85-243.ip.mcleodusa.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1121646760 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1121648703 0 :coster!~coster@ip42005.poa.virtua.com.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1121648975 0 :coster!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1121649642 0 :ZeroOne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1121649690 0 :ZeroOne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found a new page with lots of esolang interpreters/compilers: http://www.jaapan.de/en/myprg.php?page=progs2 < 1121649724 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it's Japan-Germany-England :-P < 1121649786 0 :ZeroOne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy really seems to have a thing to Atari computers :p < 1121650310 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atari computers are cool.. I have an old 800xl :) < 1121650372 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the st < amiga < 1121651106 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1121654715 0 :BigZaphod!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1121655107 0 :calamari_!~calamari@dialup-4.240.246.51.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1121655244 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1121656011 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1121656482 0 :BigZaphod!~BigZaphod@66.6.34.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1121658170 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Kurt4 < 1121658261 0 :Kurt4!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CXI < 1121658427 0 :Phy!~nbenitez@200.84.45.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1121658501 0 :Phy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1121658611 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1121658618 0 :Phy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi\ < 1121658678 0 :graue!graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1121659318 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.108.71.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1121659340 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1121659346 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so much for the constants page.. wrote a program to exhaustively find solutions :) < 1121659392 0 :Phy!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1121659401 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1121659407 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what'd you write it in? Brainfuck? < 1121659461 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please share this program with us < 1121659647 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrote it in java < 1121659689 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a file wiki with an html upload button :) < 1121659707 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, ohhhhhhhhhhhh, Giki? :P < 1121659716 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giki? < 1121659731 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1121659736 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://giki.sourceforge.net/ < 1121659739 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1121659743 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1121659743 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember now.. hehe < 1121659746 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just being an idiot :-P < 1121659770 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I' < 1121659779 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m usually an idiot, so you're ahead of me ;) < 1121659868 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: can you show me how to upload the file to the wiki? < 1121659951 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still wishes there could be in-wiki files.. it would be perfect for this situation
< 1121660479 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have it generate the best non-wrapping version as well < 1121661579 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as discussed before, the wiki isn't the best place for files < 1121661597 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :send it to me and I'll add it to svn... or, if you want, I can give you an svn account to add it yourself < 1121661985 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"quit" < 1121663127 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1121668768 0 :Keymaker!~no@cb138.netikka.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1121668949 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a brainfuck related xmas card: < 1121668950 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/stuff/xmas.png < 1121668973 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant to post it here last Christmas, but probably forgot < 1121668994 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yesterday i fixed couple of pixels and saved it as png.. uploaded it some seconds ago < 1121671257 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1121673599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1121673600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1121677847 0 :yrz!~yaro@82.52.177.196 JOIN :#esoteric < 1121678355 0 :jix!jix@p5489B76A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1121678380 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t-online sucks! < 1121678407 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin < 1121678495 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dropped my dsl connection... my router tried to reconnect but nothing happened... i took a look in the logs.. something with authentification errors and session limits... :( < 1121678503 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1121678588 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks, jix < 1121678598 0 :yrz_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1121678667 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, is 0.2 still the latest version of cipple? < 1121678810 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: yes < 1121678997 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you add some sort of license to the beginning of it so I can copy it legally? < 1121679284 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1121679696 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.harderweb.de/jix/cipple/cipple.c < 1121680022 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, thanks < 1121681176 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok again.. is this correct? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Image:BF2Planar.png < 1121681262 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows how to map 2 instruction into a 1 instruction box without wire crossing (and connection to the storage (the dashed liens)) and how to map instruction[instruction]instruction into a 1 instruction box (without wire crossing too) < 1121681427 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to have a line to the particular cell of storage you want? < 1121681509 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really clear on what's being proved here, because I thought that the problem was, you need to have a planar state graph where all the storage is considered part of the state < 1121681549 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storage part of the state? < 1121681567 0 :lindi-!~lindi@kulho150.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1121681569 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the graph? < 1121681734 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-System) turing complete? < 1121681909 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules just allow 1 symbol => N symbols but not N symbols => N Symbols with N symbols => N symbols it's like thue < 1121681987 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Context-free so it's a pushdown-automaton < 1121682003 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really the one to talk to about this theoretical stuff < 1121682566 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :braktif seems to be non-planar < 1121682699 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses ^< and v> they cross < 1121682820 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm working on a braktif like non-wire-crossing cellular automaton < 1121686435 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tape and the instructions * > and < are implemented < 1121687184 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ when current cell is false is implemented < 1121688145 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a turing complete planar cellular automat < 1121688208 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a little error < 1121688817 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed < 1121691926 0 :malaprop!~ph@ppp-68-251-52-33.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1121693407 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Donate a manual typewriter to ME for your only hope for a future!" < 1121695285 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning, people-who-are-not-in-my-time-zone-and-hence-it-is-not-morning-to. < 1121695387 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin GregorR < 1121695463 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi :) < 1121695599 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1121695624 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 3pm here < 1121695666 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1121695688 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 6AM here. < 1121695708 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes 3pm is morning for me < 1121695718 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1121695773 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a planar turing complete cellular automat (using alpaca) < 1121695862 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because brakif doesn't seems to be planar < 1121695926 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmm, why did I wake up? < 1121695931 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz* < 1121695954 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, work. < 1121696003 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work?! < 1121696050 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor needs his $$$ :) < 1121696064 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need €€€ < 1121696097 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i have €€€ and atm i don't need more < 1121696167 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, THE NOT ENGLISH! < 1121696218 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1121696316 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"€€€" comes out as garbage to me. < 1121696326 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :€€€ is EuroEuroEuro < 1121696335 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your charset UTF-8? < 1121696335 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW, I can't read a Euro. < 1121696345 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably living in ASCII-land. < 1121696370 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is ascii compatible < 1121696373 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the AMERICAN Standard Code for Intellectual Interchange! It's AMERICAN, which implicitly means better. Like SUVs and killing innocent things. < 1121696451 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway, time for me to go to work, see y'all later :) < 1121696482 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later < 1121700274 0 :yrz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:16 < GregorR> "âB¬âB¬âB¬" comes out as garbage to me. < 1121700274 0 :yrz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:16 < jix> âB¬âB¬âB¬ is EuroEuroEuro < 1121700478 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using UTF-8 < 1121700768 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1121700873 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.147.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1121702192 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: yes, L-systems are PDAs. < 1121702685 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: they are Context-Free grammars => PDAs < 1121702699 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: braktif isn't planar < 1121702799 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: yes, i know < 1121702809 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most interesting 2d ca's aren't < 1121702819 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i made a planar smallfuck interpreter using alpaca < 1121702826 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although... possibly all are isomorphic to ones that are < 1121702838 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :through neighbourhood isomorphism < 1121702865 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: can i see it? < 1121702870 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1121702941 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm uploading everything < 1121703145 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing down a little smallfuck => plainfuck (PLanar brAINFUCK) converting guide < 1121703378 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.harderweb.de/jix/langs/alpaca/plainfuck/(guide.txt|plaunfuck.alp|test.pf) i hope i uploaded a working version < 1121703395 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plainfuck.alp not plaunfuck.alp < 1121703450 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's planar because i'm only using < ^ v and > < 1121703595 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you checked that the state diagram of each cell is also planar? < 1121703621 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, look at the time < 1121703626 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to leave for school now, sorry < 1121703630 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya later < 1121703649 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1121703659 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh statediagram of each cell uhm < 1121703671 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1121703700 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have a brainfuck presentation that is planar (not a cellular automat) < 1121704204 0 :fungebob!~BYUMUG@67.106.148.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1121705978 0 :yrz_!~yaro@host101-242.pool8254.interbusiness.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1121706080 0 :BigZaphod!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1121706222 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do work ... or chat on #esoteric ... < 1121706567 0 :yrz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1121707293 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: has ork dynamic arrays? < 1121707729 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you could build your own, it has pointers. < 1121707752 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to make a release of ORK with Instantiate spelled right XD < 1121707924 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g* < 1121708361 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, befunge.org doesn't like my public key any more >_> < 1121708390 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was down a few hours ago < 1121708436 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you checked out the BBCode plugin btw, pgimeno? < 1121708451 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, I'm going to < 1121708508 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, looks like befunge.org will be back up on the 25th. < 1121708570 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the interim, http://www.codu.org/ork/ork-0.9.tar.bz2 (please download lightly, I have limited bandwidth :P) < 1121708581 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, they recently increased the bandwidth there, so it's no problem. < 1121708608 0 :BigZaphod!~BigZaphod@198.45.23.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1121708612 0 :Keymaker!~no@cb138.netikka.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1121709633 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?! my 99 bottles of beer is #1 < 1121709680 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy k? < 1121709692 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1121709696 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. good job < 1121709740 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my 2nd functional programming language (the first one was haskell and i used it only for a day) < 1121709757 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really have to rethink how to do thinks with lambdas < 1121709769 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe i'm going to write lazy-k-basic < 1121709778 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/away < 1121710089 0 :calamari!~jeffryj@lilly.csoft.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1121710091 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1121710249 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1121710267 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that your brainfuck constant program work? < 1121710288 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean how does it calculate that stuff? < 1121710299 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keymaker: well, at first I tried to find a mathematical solution, but I'm not that good, so I took a more brute force approach < 1121710347 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keymaker: it takes all "equations" of the form w[>xz from -14 to 14 < 1121710368 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some things are immediately ruled out, for example w!=0 and x=0, or w!=0 andy=0 < 1121710424 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it then decides what the answer is, by taking i from 1 to 255, (256*i - w) *y *x + z ) mod 256 < 1121710440 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might not be a solution < 1121710455 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that' < 1121710464 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s from memory, so sorry if there are wrong details < 1121710530 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1121710715 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw for there to be a solution (256*i-w)%y must be 0 < 1121710734 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it completes the loop then there was no soln < 1121710760 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if w,x,y,z < 0 I add 256 < 1121710772 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much it, I think < 1121710990 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... now that I think of it, that form w[>xz might not always be the most efficient for the non-wrapping versions < 1121711685 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should cover it v[>w[>x<-]>y<<-]>>z < 1121711897 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.. hehe < 1121711917 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason it has to be -.. could be -- < 1121711990 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so t[>u[>vx<>z .. yay < 1121712077 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w, y (- {-1, -2, -4, -8} < 1121712143 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not.. perhaps for some t, there could be y=-3 so that it completes evenly < 1121712183 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite as easy as the wrapping solutions :) < 1121712340 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually ..no my original form is better, because t=4, y=-2 is the same as t=2,y=-1, but less efficient < 1121712360 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think I can assume y=-1 is the optimal solution < 1121712747 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this problem is a lot more complex than you think it is. < 1121712790 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: possibly.. can you point out something that I've missed? < 1121712794 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1121712798 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here are my current set of combo: < 1121712874 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's possible to do a complete bruteforce. < 1121712928 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z, v[>w<-]>, v[>w<-]>z, v[>w[>x<-]<-]>>, v[>w[>x<-]<-]>>z, v[>w[>x<-]>y<<-]>>, v[>w[>x<-]>y<<-]>>z < 1121712994 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only looking for answers in 0-255, so anything that might be required to generate larger answer efficiently doesn't need to be considered < 1121713118 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v,w,x,y,z (- {0,...,14} < 1121713163 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow.. I'll code that up later on and see what kinds of answers I get < 1121713411 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that I'll need another nested multiplication.. not sure if it helps or not < 1121713773 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1121713946 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think it would help to have v,w,x,y,z greater than 14? < 1121713958 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I don't think so < 1121715300 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1121715756 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki doesn't seem to allow me to upload images.. or am I just missing how to do it? < 1121716538 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehe < 1121716546 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a brute-force solution program < 1121716555 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably will take a few hundred years to run.... < 1121716595 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1121716632 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION times it
< 1121716635 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not at home, but I can write the above program later.. should not take too long < 1121716657 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun copy/pasting the solutions in :) < 1121716698 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my program analyzes 100,000 BF programs a minute... < 1121716700 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should write a merging program while that one is running ;) < 1121716704 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, i could rewrite it in C < 1121716739 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1121716760 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will take 70,000 years to run, not "a few hundred" :( < 1121716763 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@61.247.147.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1121716776 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still this is very possible to do < 1121716779 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory < 1121716785 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with currently available computational resources < 1121716816 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 70,000? what's the hurry? ;) < 1121716881 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably solve this in a year by attaching it to a virus and infecting 70,000 windows machines. < 1121716887 0 :BigZaphod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I've had no problem uploading an image to the wiki for Taxi. I used this page: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Special:Upload < 1121717281 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zaphod: thanks :) < 1121717331 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: are these random bf programs? < 1121717673 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: haha < 1121717721 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: no, i'm doing them in order < 1121717826 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: order? < 1121717831 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what order? :) < 1121717861 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, each bf program is a number in base 6 < 1121717868 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6, since "," and "." are never used) < 1121717872 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :halting problem? < 1121717903 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stop the machine after 10000 steps < 1121717911 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have checked for the smallest quine while you're at it ;) < 1121717913 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i should probably decrease that number dramatically < 1121721246 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: the x[>xx solutions are wrong, they should be x[>xx< to leave the pointer at the same cell as the x[>xx solutions still do >.. did I forget ? < 1121721387 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks.. nope
< 1121721403 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raven: the pointer will end up at the desired number < 1121721413 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: yeah, x[>xxx case both pointer and value are in cell 1 < 1121721434 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raven: where is x[>x+++++<-]> (15, 2) (20 section) < 1121721531 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this leaves the cell in 1 < 1121721545 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err pointer in cell 1 :) < 1121721577 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I must be totally misunderstanding your objection :) < 1121721588 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, it's out of date < 1121721597 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't see the recent update < 1121721613 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing tho.. I should rearrange so that the answer ends up in cell 0 < 1121721632 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way 1 and 2 cell versions end up in the same place < 1121721703 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, takes an extra byte for the leading >.. never mind ;) < 1121721723 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"you have no chance to survive make your time." < 1121721775 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhoh, dbc left.. all is lost :) < 1121721827 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed :( < 1121722387 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1121722408 0 :fungebob!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Today is a good day to chat." < 1121723392 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1121723396 0 :calamari!~jeffryj@lilly.csoft.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1121723412 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1121723418 0 :calamari!~jeffryj@lilly.csoft.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1121723423 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about that :( < 1121723436 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dangers of the middle mouse button in linux < 1121723817 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1121723824 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, but middle-mouse-paste=good < 1121723844 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I like it usually :) < 1121723896 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Middle mouse paste is also a rather popular meal to get in an American fast food restaurant, though they don't usually call it that) < 1121724846 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1121724854 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1121725087 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the joke < 1121725103 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1121725243 0 :kipple__!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1121725472 0 :kipple__!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1121725537 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: Fast food = bad, mouse paste = probably not too healthy (mouse paste as in paste made from mice) < 1121725718 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. < 1121725733 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pretends understanding usaian humour
< 1121725748 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1121725751 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats some mouse paste.
< 1121725779 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's wrong with fast food? i thought you americans love it < 1121725815 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something horribly wrong with Americans. < 1121725835 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1121725842 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm anyone ever thought about writing an irc bot in.. BRAINFUCK? < 1121725849 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1121725854 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm.. now I want some Taco Bell :) < 1121725854 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that could be nice < 1121725856 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: wrong < 1121725863 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me did (3 mins ago) < 1121725871 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jox: thought about it, yes.. did it: no :) < 1121725877 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1121725879 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jox < 1121725880 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err jix, sorry :) < 1121725888 0 :jox!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1121725891 0 :jox!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1121725898 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jox < 1121725903 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Keymaker < 1121725908 0 :jox!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1121725910 0 :jox!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who am i? < 1121725915 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1121725917 0 :jox!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR < 1121725927 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh stop it! < 1121725934 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1121725947 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1121725951 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1121725951 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1121725971 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR < 1121725985 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was mean < 1121726008 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is calling me at 11:34pm?! < 1121726013 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker is scratching his head right now I'll bet 8-D < 1121726054 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc bot in brainfuck is hard < 1121726077 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be that hard < 1121726077 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet. < 1121726079 0 :Kmkr!~no@cb138.netikka.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1121726085 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write it in bfbasic < 1121726086 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI KEYMAKER! < 1121726086 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn nick collision < 1121726091 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1121726094 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1121726099 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello :9 < 1121726099 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: that's too easy < 1121726112 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? not hard :) < 1121726142 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: but i want to write it in pure hand optimized brainfuck < 1121726158 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I want to write a BF backend for GCC. < 1121726169 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I put away the cocaine and that feeling goes away. < 1121726196 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: then WRITE IT < 1121726198 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1121726206 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody needs to send Gregor some coke < 1121726206 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kmkr: i'm going to WRITE IT < 1121726212 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1121726220 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmh coke.. < 1121726224 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Keymaker < 1121726250 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: a brainfuck backend for SmallC might be simpler and less complex < 1121726250 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: do you know how to write backends for gcc? I tried figuring it out once and it was too complicated for me < 1121726290 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: front-ends are easier < 1121726301 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: how would that kind of irc bot work? < 1121726311 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: stdin and stdout < 1121726321 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you need to have some brainfuck interpreter on channel or something? < 1121726321 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping to have access to some pseudo-asm language that I would then generate bf for < 1121726361 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a bf bot.. in java though ;) < 1121726367 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1121726378 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: no i implement the irc protocol in brainfuck pipe stdin and stdout to a socket and POW < 1121726395 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that means? :) < 1121726408 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could pass the port i/o to the bf interpreter < 1121726411 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i don't understand about these network things anyways < 1121726424 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'd just have to interpret the server commands.. not really a big deal < 1121726426 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with the program < 1121726441 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: what you said :) < 1121726475 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: the only thing i don't like is answering pings.. but freenode is very pong-tolerant < 1121726507 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I don't think I ever figured out how to answer those 100% reliably < 1121726522 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: how about compiling to your BDASM or BFBASIC? < 1121726542 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either one would work < 1121726552 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah.. i'm not that good in brainfuck < 1121726567 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that stopped me was that I didn't know if there was some kind of intermediate language, and what that language was < 1121726585 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. i have to write this bot in brainfuck < 1121726599 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn phone calls, how am I supposed to do no work when the phone rings. < 1121726621 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.. Taco Bell beckons.. cya all :) < 1121726623 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Most phones have a mute switch... < 1121726626 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: N stage compilation is still compilation and your two languages seem good midpoints < 1121726648 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: that means string handing in brainfuck....have fun < 1121726658 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mm Toxic Hell" < 1121726664 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: yeah.. i'm going to use.. another esolang < 1121726672 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a more string friendly one < 1121726683 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as ORK XD < 1121726704 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a niiiice, 20MB IRC bot with minimal functionality. < 1121726756 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought that using a hash function might be suitable. it should beat the if..then...else block from hell < 1121726793 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge irc bot MUHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1121726811 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's head explodes.
< 1121726858 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my head can't explode.. just implode (vacuum..) < 1121728370 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1121728387 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a fast befunge debugger < 1121728567 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think i'll need some sleep.. zZZzz.. < 1121728571 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good nite < 1121728576 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good nite Keymaker < 1121728578 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1121729871 0 :kipple___!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1121730028 0 :BigZaphod!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1121730086 0 :jimbo000!~jim@ool-43511512.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric