< 1120262648 0 :BigZaphod!~BigZaphod@66.6.34.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1120262946 0 :jimbo000!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1120263003 0 :BigZaphod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think windows should be named an esoteric OS because it is just a pain to use sometimes. < 1120263014 0 :BigZaphod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I own a mac. :) < 1120263034 0 :BigZaphod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, just venting... I had a failed attempt to make a win2k box dhcp properly. < 1120263038 0 :BigZaphod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1120263966 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's pretty esoteric how Macs cannot be controlled using the keyboard at all < 1120264014 0 :BigZaphod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah.. that's only a problem if you don't know all the shortcut keys. :) < 1120265198 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 2L a counterexample of the wire crossing problem? < 1120265808 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure to have understood the problem well < 1120266335 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that languages like Befunge and SNUSP and such seem(ed) need to have a "jump over" instruction somehow < 1120266768 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't a "nop" (space) be enough? < 1120266808 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the points where the paths cross, that is) < 1120266997 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that counts as a wire crossing too < 1120267093 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but no need for # if a space is in the crosspoint < 1120267174 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace "the problem is that" with "roughly stated, the problem is that" < 1120267364 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, part of the state (in the TM/FSA sense) is the PC direction; if a NOP instruction is in the crosspoint then the wires can cross without problems, as long as there's a state that "remembers" the PC direction - that's my opinion at least < 1120270184 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just written an interpreter for a really esoteric language < 1120270186 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it works < 1120270256 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language? < 1120271087 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a crazy new one < 1120271096 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two-dimensional < 1120271108 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :45 degree turns < 1120271427 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :à la Wierd? < 1120271642 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not like Wierd < 1120271658 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like Befunge or PATH or SNUSP or whatever, but it can move diagonally < 1120271664 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all turns are relative < 1120272304 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1120272685 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite < 1120273217 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'nite < 1120274177 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :puzzlet < 1120277576 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"quit" < 1120289095 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've released a new two-dimensional language, ADJUST < 1120289102 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is extremely esoteric < 1120289119 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look for it at http://www.esolangs.org/files/ in at most eight hours < 1120289124 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1120289323 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.150.254.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1120291199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1120291200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1120293571 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1120295526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: the problem is not whether wires "can cross without problems", it's simply whether wires must cross at all < 1120295539 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict 2L is rife with wire (or if you prefer, path) crossings < 1120295619 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hard time imagining writing a 2L program without crossing at least once - but that doesn't mean much, since i have a hard time imagining writing *any* 2L program :) < 1120295642 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's way past my bedtime... good night < 1120295648 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite < 1120295710 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem is to build a noncrossing program, not to let it cross without problems < 1120297972 0 :jix!jix@p5489CFCC.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1120298025 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin < 1120303309 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mornin < 1120317167 0 :phos!~dan@adsl-218-174-182.jax.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1120318587 0 :{^Raven^}!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is watching Live-8 gig in London-UK
< 1120326067 0 :sp3tt!~chatzilla@cust-148-133.elhandel.umeaenergi.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1120330294 0 :sp3tt_!~chatzilla@lite-148-133.umenet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1120330553 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: yes... or rather, to find a language where all programs are non-crossing (or prove that there isn't one) < 1120330558 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some definition of non-crossing < 1120330581 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems to be the real sticking point... it's hard to define how programs should be represented by graphs < 1120330623 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1120330639 0 :sp3tt_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sp3tt < 1120330671 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, ... i just found this, somewhat randomly: < 1120330674 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/L/Li/List_of_esoteric_programming_languages.htm < 1120330681 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lists several that i've never heard of < 1120331860 0 :phos!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1120332330 0 :yrz\werk_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1120332413 0 :yrz\werk!~yaro@host32-180.pool8250.interbusiness.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1120333530 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see.. it's just a copy of wikipedia's list... (strangely large list they have considering they don't consider half of them encylopedic enough...) < 1120333710 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to see a voting system on the esolang wiki btw < 1120333748 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like, everyone with a user page is allowed to put either a '+' or a '-' next to each entry on the language list < 1120333756 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only one, and it must have a link to the user page < 1120333812 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although... i'm not sure < 1120333852 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would be better to just try to get everything, no matter how bad < 1120333856 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure where it stops < 1120333872 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, is Joy esoteric? < 1120333895 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it too useful? < 1120333917 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter, is ALPACA really esoteric? < 1120333954 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, someone wake up graue... i want to know why he deleted 23. < 1120334499 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, the wiki's gone down anyway :( < 1120334653 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m, back up... maybe it's just under load < 1120334749 0 :J|x!jix@p5489F925.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1120335364 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1120335821 0 :J|x!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1120336157 0 :sp3tt_!~chatzilla@lite-148-133.umenet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1120336656 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1120337841 0 :graue!~graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1120338811 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1120339402 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: when I started the esowiki in April, I originally intended to copy over the esolang content from Wikipedia < 1120339428 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got about half through with that before deciding it was a mess and it would be best to start over, so I deleted everything < 1120339451 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one has gotten around to re-adding 23 < 1120340357 0 :sp3tt__!~chatzilla@cust-148-133.elhandel.umeaenergi.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1120340365 0 :sp3tt__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sp3tt < 1120341238 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: ok, i was about to re-add it... i'll do that, then < 1120341409 0 :sp3tt_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1120342516 0 :sp3tt__!~chatzilla@lite-148-133.umenet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1120343067 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm. there is sort of a band between esoteric and joke language... sort of an "I DARE you to implement this"...: *W, SARTRE, Magenta, Tamerlane, TURKEY BOMB, probably others... they could be jokes, or esolangs, depending on the weather... wonder if they deserve their own category... < 1120343454 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1120344151 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I guess a SMITH variant going in spirals can be a TC 2D language < 1120344438 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TC noncrossing 2D language, I mean < 1120344441 0 :sp3tt__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]" < 1120344456 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but maybe I'm still misunderstanding something) < 1120344550 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey pgimeno, you looked at ADJUST yet? < 1120344984 0 :phos!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1120345345 0 :Kmkr!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1120345351 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ello < 1120345666 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: not yet < 1120345667 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hgi Kmkr < 1120345669 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1120345707 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: link? < 1120346352 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1120346381 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: it's quite possible. cellular automata look like good leads... < 1120346393 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads about adjust
< 1120346495 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds interesting this far.. < 1120346633 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh! < 1120346814 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language is evil < 1120347114 0 :yrz\werk_!~yaro@host32-180.pool8250.interbusiness.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1120347218 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, link is: http://www.esolangs.org/files/adjust/ < 1120347283 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kmkr, writing anything in it? < 1120347467 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one trick I discovered that was not intentional, is that you can access the 2, 3, and 5 commands by themselves using 2 (2*5*5), K (3*5*5) and } (5*5*5), since applying 5 twice is a nop < 1120347552 0 :yrz\werk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1120348077 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1120348081 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps sometime < 1120348099 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool, i was wondering how to do that < 1120348100 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1120348147 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were supposed to have to do other stuff too and just deal with the side effects < 1120348160 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1120348163 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turned out so confusing to program in that I think the 2K} wimpmode is a good thing < 1120348172 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1120348325 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Push the accelerator's value" < 1120348330 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably mean accumulator there < 1120348371 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1120348439 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We consider bits in a byte to be numbered from 0 to 7, with 0 being the least significant." < 1120348453 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean 00000001 would be one or vice versa? < 1120348466 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never understood what means least significant < 1120348503 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kmkr: that would be 0 then < 1120348505 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1 bit is least significant, then the 2 bit, then the 4 bit etc < 1120348521 0 :lindi-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or on this case, 0th bit :) < 1120348522 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 00000001, the bit that is on is bit 0, yes < 1120348543 0 :heatsink!~heatsink@c-24-61-94-111.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1120348642 0 :Kmkr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok