< 1118361601 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm. I think he has... < 1118361619 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has told me how he has a slow computer.. that's about it < 1118361687 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives up then < 1118361740 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I have time, I'll start a new wiki that is more user friendly < 1118362647 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let's try this again < 1118362656 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is "stuff", and there is "info about stuff" < 1118362678 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program is "stuff" < 1118362695 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is for "info about stuff" < 1118362698 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is an example program stuff or info about stuff? < 1118362737 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'll note that I don't see any reason the wiki can't also store "stuff". < 1118362749 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither... < 1118362769 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason is that "stuff" can crash your computer, or require a certain operating system, or eat up your RAM < 1118362775 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"info about stuff" is just information < 1118362790 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my slow computer is one of many possible examples of why mixing "stuff" and "info about stuff" is a bad idea < 1118362818 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am quite happy to store relevant "stuff" on esoteric.voxelperfect.net, if people are interested in having it there < 1118362822 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want "stuff", don't download it. If your web browser lets websites crash your computer, it is broken, period, and should not be used as the baseline for everthing. < 1118362854 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think websites should have programs in them at all < 1118362883 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean every website with a java applet is broken, period? or is my opinion NOT the final say on what is or isn't broken? < 1118362898 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the existence of Flash, I've got to say that almost every else in the world disagrees with you on that one. < 1118362947 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly my point < 1118362974 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your opinion that my "broken" web browser should not be accommodated is not law, either < 1118362995 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your opinion on what is broken is invalid because you're not seeing that it's your browser that's broken. It's like the ethnic joke where the guy goes to the doctor and says "My leg hurts when I poke it, my chest hurts when I poke it, my head hurts when I poke it" and the doctor responds "Your finger is broken." < 1118363031 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1118363045 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not trying to be mean or insulting, just point out that web apps are not uncommon or inherently bad. < 1118363235 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't change the fact that they don't belong on a wiki < 1118363250 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is nothing hard about the concept of separating content from information about that content < 1118363261 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a "fact", that's your opinion... < 1118363272 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do belong on a wiki, the wiki has file support for just that reason. < 1118363288 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki has file support to store images < 1118363339 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: why does the esoteric wiki have to fit into the "normal" wiki.. we're supposed to be out there, right? :) < 1118363340 0 :graue_!~graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118363349 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dividing data and metadata is arbitrary. If you're providing both, provide them together. < 1118363387 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And MediaWiki does not have file support just for images; otherwise it would not be possible to upload anything but images. < 1118363399 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I can understand graue's reluctance to change his wiki.. he started that wiki before we all got together and started decided things.. so it isn't quite fair to ask him to change what was already there < 1118363443 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. I'm asking because I see straightforward ways to make things better. Is very much in the wiki spirit. < 1118363538 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1118363565 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malaprop: I think graue has his own ideas about how a wiki should be run, and doesn't want to change those to fit what the rest of us would like.. that's totally his choice tho. That's why I think it might be best to choose to start fresh < 1118363600 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather build up than start again from scratch. It's why I'm such a pain in the ass. < 1118363632 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, let us not end up with two competing wikis! < 1118363680 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on that note, I unfortunately have to go. I may be online again in a few hours or it'll be tomorrow morning (~13h). < 1118363686 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya malaprop < 1118363687 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idles. < 1118364166 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having to put something one mouseclick away is a very stupid thing to fork a wiki over < 1118364253 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: I don't see it that way, exactly.. this one item certainly isn't a dealbreaker. What gets me is how you do not seem to care about the opinion of the rest of the community.. we had a lot of plans that were made together, and you singlehandledly vetoed those plans when we decided to go with your server. < 1118364361 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: we were going to have file uploading, but you didn't want that, until we complained so loudly you couldn't ignore it.. this java applet thing was in the works pretty much from the very beginning=, we we're going to have multiple wikis, etc.. < 1118364410 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is totally fine for your own server.. hey you're the boss.. but I don't think you're being very cooperative < 1118364450 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so, in the future, when something needs to be done.. I'm sure it will be the same way < 1118364477 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have vetoed all of one plan, put forward by two people; there is no problem moving the java applet one mouseclick away; the multiple wikis idea was rejected with everyone's agreement because it wasn't practical; file uploading is a feature that was implemented separately from the wiki with everyone's agreement who happened to speak up < 1118364510 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're blowing a lot of hot air and it's silly, just for one extra mouseclick people will have to make to get to your java program < 1118364564 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: I recall things differently < 1118364589 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone wanted to be able to uplaod files, only requiring a user account < 1118364615 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were the only one that wanted all the sql beg you to upload file hoops < 1118364616 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revolution!!!! < 1118364634 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: hehe < 1118364651 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't upset, btw :) < 1118364656 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people of the world rise against graue's tyrannical rule < 1118364661 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*peoples < 1118364741 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I see no problem letting him run his wiki the way he wants to < 1118364798 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should have left it that way from the beginning.. it was a mistake, is all. His wiki predates the whole eso preservation thing < 1118364872 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true. < 1118365095 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually started my wiki to preserve esoteric languages < 1118365107 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just took a while for people to become interested < 1118366724 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally it took a backup solution to become interested. otherwise Wikipedia would have been better < 1118366801 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still think ftp would be the best < 1118366811 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1118367172 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp for a wiki? < 1118367177 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean for the files, right? < 1118367316 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1118369051 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, we don't actually need a wiki. < 1118369518 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I've discovered the reason I can't get a file list for my applet's help program.. http doesn't support getting a file list.. hehe < 1118369577 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1118369690 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with webdav it does < 1118369698 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that probably isn't exactly practical < 1118369737 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make .listing files? < 1118369753 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. it'll have to be something like that < 1118370225 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"brb" < 1118370234 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the built in commands don't change much, unless a new language is added < 1118370291 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be cool to have some kind of programs page that it automatically loaded up, so you had a bunch of example programs to run. Would need to be a wiki though, otherwise content would be nonexistent < 1118370486 0 :wooby!~wooby@cpe-065-191-186-247.nc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1118370492 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re wooby < 1118370501 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just thinking about your idea < 1118370511 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too :) < 1118370512 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it can be done < 1118370515 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas? < 1118370519 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll just need to be in one file < 1118370525 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what mechanism do you propose for referencing code? < 1118370549 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. have a certain wiki page, for say BF programs. Then, a program on the page would look something like < 1118370589 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name: myprogram.b < 1118370594 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code: ....... < 1118370609 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the program could parse the page to grab the programs < 1118370642 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1118370665 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you were hoping for something more interractive? < 1118370672 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking more along the lines of storing code fragments in a db table, with author, description, and usage information < 1118370691 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic, so like a library of bf snippets? < 1118370700 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah exactly < 1118370720 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is it would be so difficult to come up with a standard for handling return data < 1118370764 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also wouldn't work well for languages such as Befunge that are two-dimensional < 1118370790 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm beginning to think it wouldn't work well in general < 1118370802 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still a cool idea for a wiki page < 1118370818 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you had a code fragment recognized by the interpreter as 1, which say... converts a cell value to ascii value < 1118370823 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could save your neatest bf tricks for posterity < 1118370833 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could do like +++1 => 3 < 1118370857 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work cleanly because the return value is only a byte < 1118371004 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could rig file writing to automatically edit the wiki.. that'd be cool, permanent storage < 1118371043 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, just the close operation would want to write anything < 1118371046 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wikiFS ;) < 1118371081 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. it'd be cool.. because you could edit it yourself, or you could use the applet, and it's just plain text on the wiki page to view < 1118371185 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine javascript to be conducive to interactive lang interpreting, at least for BF < 1118371191 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you consider that an option? < 1118371652 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry.. was afk. java or javascript seem file.. both are client side though.. I chose Java because it was more powerful < 1118371669 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/file/fine/ < 1118371847 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1118371995 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, just perusing the bfbasic readme < 1118372009 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'randomize' would be an interesting function to implement < 1118372247 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo all < 1118372284 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hio < 1118372453 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How goes? < 1118372488 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION abides < 1118373882 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooby: it was fun :) < 1118374655 0 :graue_!~graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118374716 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hola sen~or graue_. < 1118374729 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please mentally combine the n and ~ ;) < 1118374737 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do < 1118374841 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the fact that you're now logged in as graue_ instead of graue suggests that you didn't get my response in #directnet ? < 1118374854 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, nope, but i'll go see what it was < 1118374915 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"this client is obsolete" < 1118374942 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :graue < 1118374953 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#directnet just lost its peak user count ;) < 1118375650 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1118375746 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, i gotta say calamari's idea for loading programs from a wiki page is pretty cool < 1118375803 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it could be accommodated by creating a new namespace < 1118375826 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dern too much talking... < 1118375832 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind making a brief of the idea? < 1118375835 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd go to "Brainfuck" and say "hey, this seems cool" and follow the esoshell link to the "EsoShell:Brainfuck" page with the programs and stuff < 1118375858 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari has made a small fake shell program as a java applet, and it has esoteric language interpreters < 1118375864 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know that much. < 1118375866 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was so people could try new languages out conveniently < 1118375869 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1118375880 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently he mentioned loading languages automatically from a wiki page < 1118375896 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you could put a "99 bottles of beer" example in the "EsoShell:Brainfuck" wiki article (or whatever) < 1118375905 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the shell would be able to load it directly < 1118375911 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my understanding < 1118375941 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, any idiot could add a cool program to test out < 1118375948 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not have the wiki itse---because some would need input. < 1118375952 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay answering my own question! < 1118376017 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if calamari would go for the "EsoShell:" namespace idea < 1118376035 0 :calamari!~calamari@dialup-4.240.114.223.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118376039 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey calamari < 1118376044 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have been talking about you < 1118376060 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please to read http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/05.06.09 and catch up on the discussion < 1118376061 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi graue < 1118376088 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry.. was getting ready to go out.. gotta watch star wars again :) < 1118376095 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1118376100 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, check it out later then < 1118376115 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :short story: i think it would be cool if you did your java applet thing in a new namespace on the existing wiki < 1118376117 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check it now :) < 1118376120 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "EsoShell:Brainfuck" etc < 1118376121 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1118376127 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1118376133 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be interesting < 1118376140 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb .. reading < 1118376242 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds great.. I was actually wondering how to pull that off while in the shower hehe < 1118376279 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my previous idea of being able to edit old files from esoshell might cause problems.. but saving new ones should be okay < 1118376311 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno.. it all depends on what I can get the wiki to tell me < 1118376340 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know in moin it would tell me when the page was locked and that I had a certain amount of time to make my edit < 1118376353 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of thing < 1118376371 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I'm afraid of is that popluar things to run would be locked all the time < 1118376430 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediawiki doesn't lock anything; if you try to save an edit based on an out of date revision, it just tells you there's been a conflict < 1118376446 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it allow you to resolve the conflict? < 1118376458 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you just lose it? < 1118376469 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure, exactly... i'd have to try it again, but i think it possibly does < 1118376517 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets find out.. http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Calamari&action=edit < 1118376522 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm editing that page < 1118376553 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone do a quick edit and then I'll save mine < 1118376566 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i did one < 1118376607 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1118376619 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives the new text in an upper text area < 1118376624 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the old in a lower one < 1118376648 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it works at least < 1118376650 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool though < 1118376652 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1118376656 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's enough.. < 1118376671 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least EsoShell can know that there was a conflict and work with it < 1118376688 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's good because people won't be ablke to lock others out < 1118377301 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1118377557 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: just did a quick test < 1118377578 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: as long as the page I'm reading is from the same base url as the applet, I can read it < 1118377615 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I could read http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj, even though the applet started from http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/EsoShell < 1118377626 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could not, however, read http://www.google.com < 1118377674 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that going to be an issue at all with what you had in mind for setup? < 1118377755 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually.. even if it is, it's cool and I want to write it anyways.. hehe < 1118377916 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh.. weird.. when I view source on the wiki, I don't get everything < 1118377951 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm.. must be blind < 1118377983 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
how convienient! < 1118378076 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any thoughts on how to wrap the filename and source? need to think about 2d languages, whitespace.. etc :) gotta run < 1118378082 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1118378501 0 :wooby!~wooby@cpe-065-191-186-247.nc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1118379097 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1118379125 0 :wooby!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1118379127 0 :GregorR!~GregorR@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118381181 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"sleep" < 1118381289 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1118383433 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bwarhar < 1118385931 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1118386177 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1118389334 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoshell page crashed firefox < 1118390399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1118390400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1118398702 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning < 1118398710 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i felt asleep :D < 1118398732 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just went to bed for a while and slept ~11 hours < 1118398741 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1118399398 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, seems that I missed an important conversation about 8 hours ago < 1118399470 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: are you using multiple profiles simultaneously? my mozilla crashes if I don't open the java applet in the main profile < 1118399496 0 :sp3tt!~chatzilla@lite-148-133.umenet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118399712 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm not < 1118400022 0 :Dc[Fkn3]!~aa@pcp07730155pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118400036 0 :Dc[Fkn3]!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1118400133 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the conversation about? < 1118400194 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: about esolangs and the wiki < 1118400282 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1118400318 0 :sp3tt!~chatzilla@lite-148-133.umenet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118400362 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that graue's idea of a separate namespace is a nice solution for everyone < 1118400522 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally like most of the current directions of the wiki, and given that a solution that is universally accepted is impossible, I think that that's about the best that we can have < 1118400540 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think it's a neat idea < 1118400542 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the backups, but that's currently being worked on < 1118400766 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, there's an issue with the files section that needs a solution: some esolang authors may disagree with their distributions being hosted there, so permission should be gathered before posting files there (those which are explicitly FOSS don't need a permission, I think) < 1118400818 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about the only showstopper for the preservation effort < 1118400819 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you'll want to tag them with whatever the correct license is < 1118400857 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that usually included within the distribution? < 1118400871 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point... maybe a generic tag that says "this file is not necessarily within the public domain" < 1118400888 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, yeah < 1118400955 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the script that gathers the svn head and makes it public could perhaps add such a tag < 1118400976 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with "makes it public" I mean in the files/ dir < 1118401399 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I've seen this déjà vu before.." < 1118401446 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more issue about the "java on the wiki" (hope it can be sorted out): I don't like everyone being able to upload and use java applets in every page; that should be restricted to privileged users or something < 1118405290 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1118405743 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: I agree that java applets upload should be restricted < 1118405802 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, it seems like a lot happened here while I was asleep :) I like the ideas for the EsoShell that came up! < 1118405823 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsoShell? < 1118405831 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like... command.com? < 1118405910 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean this: http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj/EsoShell/ < 1118407332 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: nice, seems that there's consensus after all < 1118407614 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I've managed to fix the fibonacci generator in piet without modifying the whole program (white cells are cool) < 1118407699 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it turns out that 100 Fibonacci numbers are too much for the range of an int < 1118408511 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/piet/fib.php < 1118408521 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1118408524 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/piet/fib2.php < 1118408843 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, the colors are not equal < 1118408854 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :equal? < 1118408885 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen the page? when I compare the original and mine, I see different colors < 1118408892 0 :malaprop!~ph@ppp-68-251-59-237.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118408895 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a gAMA chunk < 1118408937 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are some minor differences. does it matter, as long as it works? < 1118408960 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all, but I'd like equal colors to match for proper comparison < 1118408975 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gAMA chunks don't alter the RGB of each color < 1118409546 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that was because of a gAMA chunk present in the original; now I've uploaded the fixed version < 1118409568 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrected and resubnitted ;) < 1118409737 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what was the conclusion? is npiet implemented correctly? < 1118409907 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1118409933 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not actually related to the program itself; DMM said he didn't have an opportunity of testing it < 1118409943 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wrote it without the help of an interpreter < 1118410020 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that program won't work in the perl interpreter because of the handling of white blocks though < 1118410026 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. that's a useful tool for checking if the language design is ok, before implementing it < 1118410046 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. so is the perl interpreter wrong then? < 1118410096 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so; the spec is pretty clear and even if there's a bit of room for reinterpretation I think it's too forced to interpret that in the way that the perl interpreter does < 1118410144 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, fixing it is just a matter of adding a pixel :) < 1118410150 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think I'll do that < 1118410265 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I'm wrong, it's two pixels < 1118411428 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resubnitted < 1118411450 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one should work with the perl interpreter too < 1118411645 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not totally sure though < 1118412369 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue with npiet is that cells are 32-bit integers instead of bignums, so fibonacci numbers greater than the 45th one don't come out well < 1118412382 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does perl handle bignums? < 1118412459 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the aid of a library, that is < 1118413550 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, it doesn't. The bitwise operators use integers (32-bit here), and afaik most arithmetic is done using floats. < 1118413583 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging from what 'man perlop' says about Integer Arithmetic. < 1118413664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Math::BigInt apparently is part of the standard. < 1118414776 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks; I don't know if the perl interpreter uses that < 1118419121 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1118419136 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1118419208 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :low. < 1118419843 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1118420833 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is piet turing complete? < 1118420847 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too lazy to search information by myself < 1118420917 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm lazy too but i guess so < 1118420930 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just guessing < 1118420961 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1118422691 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it is < 1118422794 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if the stack is able to hold bignums < 1118422840 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have infinitely extendable canvases to paint < 1118422856 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not needed, I think < 1118422902 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as you have a canvas with an UTM program in it, you have a Turing-complete language < 1118423062 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have said that it's a pushdown automaton, but I recently saw that BF just needs a few (5 at most, 2 at least) cells with arbitrary integers in them to be TC < 1118423076 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck#Computational_class < 1118423126 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the stack rotate operation makes Piet able to handle the stack as a finite amount of variables < 1118423141 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that should be stated in the wiki < 1118423158 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go for it < 1118423565 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff in esowiki is interesting < 1118423589 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be quite cool afterall! :) < 1118424422 0 :graue!~graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118424935 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: is that 'smallfuck to smetana' stuff anywhere? < 1118424942 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have you written anything about it? < 1118424950 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be interested in reading < 1118425801 0 :calamari_!~jeffryj@lilly.csoft.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1118425807 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1118425940 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ello < 1118426039 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oy < 1118426045 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1118426056 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can one just edit the esolangs wiki? < 1118426062 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to add some stuff < 1118426065 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do! < 1118426089 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. i'll do so. after the dinner ;) < 1118426090 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is nice if you create an account before editing, but not mandatory < 1118426095 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1118426100 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do that < 1118426290 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i brought the dinner here :) < 1118426333 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please avoid food stains on wiki articles < 1118426347 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops too late :) < 1118427202 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, is it allowed edit User:Keymaker page? :) < 1118427211 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1118427223 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1118427228 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll modify < 1118427310 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can edit practically any page (including other users' pages) < 1118427465 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1118427465 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i meant that is it ok if edit it.. < 1118427465 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you people don't count it as self-advertising or anything < 1118427465 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only linkin' two of my websites ;)) < 1118427499 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the user pages are for! don't expect that anyone else will edit it < 1118427559 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have user page? < 1118427564 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haven't checked) < 1118427608 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Special:Listusers < 1118427608 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/User:Keymaker < 1118427626 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1118427639 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i meant your link) < 1118429296 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: here is what you probably shouldn't do: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:Calamari how's that for overdoing it? :) < 1118429462 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1118429465 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is a nice user page. < 1118429469 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1118429472 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added a new page: < 1118429473 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Hello < 1118429514 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: http://z3.ca/~lament/smetana_sf.tar.z < 1118429516 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1118429519 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: http://z3.ca/~lament/smetana_sf.tar.gz < 1118429559 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers < 1118429591 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. Who needs Hello when we have HQ9+ ? ;) < 1118429667 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hq9+ was great :) < 1118429680 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just checked out Hello's home page and thought: "what? an esolang made by a woman? can it be?" < 1118429690 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wasn't < 1118429700 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. just a guy named Anne < 1118429732 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad, i was almost contacting the person until i read that :) < 1118429743 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I was nammed anne I'd make esolangs too < 1118429824 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs are an exclusively male activity < 1118429825 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very macho < 1118429851 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most of you guys (okay, me too) have nicks which makes it impossible to know your gender, so maybe there are some women here as well... I've just assumed you're all male (probably very sexist of me) < 1118429895 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ lament :p < 1118429900 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1118429908 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: Or you've been on IRC for more than ten minutes. < 1118429928 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1118429952 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :efnet has women < 1118429957 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IRC. The place where men are men, women are men, and 16 year old girls are FBI agents" < 1118429971 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1118429975 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case in point < 1118429975 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1118429978 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :efnet doesn't have women :P < 1118429993 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember where that quote is from though < 1118429999 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either the way, we need females here. < 1118430135 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if there are any, I expect they pretend to be male. < 1118430155 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why pretend? Folks will assume just fine on their own. < 1118430167 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touche < 1118430832 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I'm curious.. how can we display a whitespace program on the wiki without using images? < 1118430875 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you can < 1118430879 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could invent some kind of escape code, but that wouldn't work well for a 2-d whitespace, if there is ever such a thing < 1118430909 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1118430914 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there're women on IRC < 1118430921 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there even are women on Freenode < 1118430935 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to expect women in #esoteric is clearly a bit too much < 1118430942 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1118431016 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be possible, but I don't think you ought to. < 1118431080 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, with whitepsace. < 1118431089 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you are the only one here who explicitly identifies yourself as a male. Got something to hide??? ;) < 1118431109 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION detaches his/her artifificial penis < 1118431125 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you were talking about whitespace :) < 1118431148 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is a known male :P < 1118431164 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorR: I'd like to automatically feed programs from the wiki into esoshell.. but does the wiki allow arbitrary chars like that? < 1118431181 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, I see. Doubtful. < 1118431208 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a mini preprocessor table at the top.. so that you could set a=" ", b="\n", etc < 1118431209 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I guess ... If there's some equiv. to
, it should be happy.
< 1118431211 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is some 
 equivalent?
< 1118431219 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahaha :P
< 1118431222 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great minds, etc...
< 1118431223 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, that would definitely be best
< 1118431291 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remember how to set expert mode in ircii?  
< 1118431323 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess since I don't remember means I am non-expert.. so.. brb :)
< 1118431332 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1118431444 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this esolang wiki editing is fun
< 1118431519 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
 works!!!
< 1118431532 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it maintain TAB characters?
< 1118431593 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1118431601 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see test here: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:Rune
< 1118431656 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't enter tabs directly in the editor (at least not in my browser), but pasting works fine
< 1118431712 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: how exactly does the digital root thing work?
< 1118431719 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it doesn't do anything
< 1118431839 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see
< 1118431842 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had DOS linebreaks
< 1118432206 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh where?
< 1118432218 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digitalr.t
< 1118432221 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1118432222 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1118432234 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were breaking the interpreter
< 1118432241 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used the ready-compiled dos interpreter
< 1118432241 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it works in windows
< 1118432246 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1118432249 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was using the python one
< 1118432252 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1118432261 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it the same one?)
< 1118432267 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so
< 1118432276 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it was in original thue package
< 1118432327 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1118432346 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, yes
< 1118432367 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code should be fine
< 1118432375 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(digitalr.t)
< 1118432423 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody know if whitespace it TC?
< 1118432423 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1118432428 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works after i changed the linebreaks
< 1118432432 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1118432443 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreter's fault :)
< 1118432505 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can't expect any reasonable piece of software to recognize dos linebreaks :)
< 1118432559 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1118432560 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1118432571 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1118432647 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dos linebreaks include char #10, so it should work on most systems, no?
< 1118432691 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: what should work?
< 1118432704 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dos linebreaks...
< 1118432727 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: no, dos linebreaks will work on dos and on especially forgiving editors on real operating systems
< 1118432761 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a whitespace nterpreter should read: \r - this must be a comment, ignore ... \n - line break
< 1118432765 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hence work regardless.
< 1118432782 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. exaclty my point
< 1118432785 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, unless you use MacOS <=9 linebreaks)
< 1118432802 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they change it in OS X ?
< 1118432810 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's UNIX linebreaks now.
< 1118432827 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. If only MS would do the same
< 1118432841 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're just going to make them longer :P
< 1118432857 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: neither 0xA or 0xD are named "line break". 0xD is Unix is carriage return. 0xA is line feed.
< 1118432859 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be CR-LF-PageB-tab-tab-space-lf
< 1118432866 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and \n = 0xD
< 1118432899 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malaprop: From a UNIX-centric whitespace nterpreters standpoint, \n = linebreak.
< 1118432904 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant.
< 1118432917 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1118434628 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a logo for esowiki, featuring esododo:
< 1118434629 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/stuff/esolang.png
< 1118434649 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the creature doesn't probably look like dodo)
< 1118434652 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! the dodo is back :)
< 1118434668 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1118434726 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought it could be fun/look nice. i don't like that yellow flower so much
< 1118434770 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: The yellow flower is the logo for MediaWiki.
< 1118434775 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. several people have been making logo suggestions. maybe we should have a contest
< 1118434813 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1118434825 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, anyone got link?
< 1118435039 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno has been using piet programs
< 1118435060 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1118435063 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw one today
< 1118435068 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he meant to use the fibonacci program, but the eso-program would be much better IMHO
< 1118435073 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see that?
< 1118435074 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. what about random logo?
< 1118435085 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1118435093 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random logo could be nice
< 1118435095 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple, i like your last spoof
< 1118435115 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made some spoofs of the wikimedia logo: http://rune.krokodille.com/lang/logos.html
< 1118435126 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and i like the fourth one
< 1118435138 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I've heard, graue :)
< 1118435177 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of variations that could be done with that theme...
< 1118435189 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does the dodo face away from the page?
< 1118435202 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be looking off the side of the screen
< 1118435218 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, dodos are stupid birds... :)
< 1118435298 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other reason is i simply just can't draw anything :D
< 1118435420 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the late answer, got an unexpected visit of my parents right after pressing enter in the last line I wrote
< 1118435437 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1118435482 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have both corrected DMM's Fibonacci program in Piet and created one which reads (and prints) "ESO" but then don't need to be used as logos
< 1118435494 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/then/they/
< 1118435518 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/piet/fib2.php
< 1118435529 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/eso.png
< 1118435543 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, broken, hold a sec
< 1118435546 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needs to make a three instruction language: [, ], and yellow flower
< 1118435554 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can say the mediawiki logo is a program
< 1118435556 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1118435573 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lang could be called Flower Power
< 1118435576 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/eso-big.png
< 1118435894 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eso logo is really nice
< 1118435903 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. mmh flower power..
< 1118435997 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1118436051 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be reduced at will; it's not fixed-size (though an integral number of pixels per codel is recommended)
< 1118436137 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: can file upload permissions be established?
< 1118436204 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes trying to make music
< 1118436214 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with 'buzz' tracker)
< 1118436377 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, er what?
< 1118436408 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the wiki, I mean
< 1118436454 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not permitting you to upload?
< 1118436470 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been reading yesterday's log about the possibility of a separate namespace for EsoShell
< 1118436491 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea very much but I don't like everyone being able to upload and post java files
< 1118436629 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if file permissions can be established for some users I think that will be safe
< 1118437137 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it should be restricted to admins
< 1118437193 0 :calamari_!~jeffryj@lilly.csoft.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1118437194 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re's
< 1118437512 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari_ 
< 1118437522 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pgimeno :)
< 1118439063 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgh..
< 1118439067 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making music is so hard
< 1118439071 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better just listen :)
< 1118439119 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1118439990 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keymaker: what type of music are you composing?
< 1118440068 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno could one call it composing..
< 1118440073 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hard to tell
< 1118440118 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotrack/schranz
< 1118440143 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with industrial flavour
< 1118440205 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds interesting
< 1118440215 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope so
< 1118440220 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only song i've finished
< 1118440225 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is about half a year old
< 1118440233 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and made with different program; modplug
< 1118440249 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called "radiation machine"
< 1118440273 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's monotrack
< 1118440287 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could upload it if you want to hear it.
< 1118440375 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. and the track must be heard loud. if you listen that one low it doesn't sound good. preferably with good speakers
< 1118440389 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta feel the bass
< 1118440397 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1118440411 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't very danceable, i warn
< 1118440418 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok, i'll upload it now
< 1118440443 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1118440502 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm now uploading, takes a while
< 1118440524 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, don't worry
< 1118440539 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i haven't made up any artist name the artist is "factory esthetic".. :\
< 1118440549 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so don't care about crappy naming!)
< 1118440564 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1118440569 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well, the file is "radiation beta" although it's done :)
< 1118440590 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just an unfinished one
< 1118440602 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :music?
< 1118440609 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, module
< 1118440616 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1118440636 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran out of ideas :)
< 1118440656 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1118440659 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, here it is:
< 1118440660 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/stuff/radiation beta.mp3
< 1118440692 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as warning, again, it's not very good!
< 1118440704 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you upload the module?
< 1118440721 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i have added some effects with audacity
< 1118440732 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cheating
< 1118440736 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add the effects properly
< 1118440745 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't. don't listen then :p
< 1118440775 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: so, about the permissions...?
< 1118440794 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's possible
< 1118440809 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1118440861 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a problem IMO
< 1118440902 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a wiki page hold a java program that is not an uploaded file?
< 1118440922 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. in a different URL (the files section)
< 1118440945 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(np: factory esthetic - radiation machine)
< 1118440954 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1118440960 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now playing..
< 1118441005 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good
< 1118441010 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks!
< 1118441066 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a bit too exaggerated the bass IMO, unless you want to break my window :)
< 1118441072 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :)
< 1118441167 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1118441175 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers :)
< 1118441182 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it
< 1118441185 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the ending "sequence"
< 1118441191 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like where the beeps go off
< 1118441204 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't explain..
< 1118441210 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, possibly
< 1118441250 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be safe enough (for me at least)
< 1118441298 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: you can hardly explain music, if at all
< 1118441317 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1118441320 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, the ending sounds good
< 1118441353 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1118441663 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1118441675 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should start making some content to bf-hacks.org
< 1118441682 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new program or some text
< 1118441698 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not that good writing about math/computer subjects..
< 1118441710 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perhaps i'll just program something
< 1118441724 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or then start writing the first issue of the brainfuck magazine
< 1118441741 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either the way, i'll switch to linux now, takes some mins..
< 1118441743 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I've seen this déjà vu before.."
< 1118442020 0 :Keymaker!~a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1118442028 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1118442394 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't invent name..
< 1118443812 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1118443824 0 :calamari_!~jeffryj@lilly.csoft.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1118443955 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads scrollback
< 1118444001 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don'tthink I'm following very well... but one thing for sure is that the class file and wiki pages need to be at the same url, or Java freaks out with security exceptions
< 1118444027 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything at the same url is fine, but if the url changes any, Java won't allow it
< 1118444039 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err host I should say, not url
< 1118444051 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the host going to change?
< 1118444105 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no it isn't
< 1118444110 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they can be made relative
< 1118444158 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only issue with that is that there are two possible servers for the URLs: www.esolangs.org and esoteric.voxelperfect.net
< 1118444166 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I think we're okay.. the current class file prints a bunch of html garbage.. that is http://lilly.csoft.net/~jeffryj  but the class file was run from EsoShell/
< 1118444187 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: as long as the redirect happens before the java file runs, it's okay
< 1118444198 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, try http://kidsquid.com/EsoShell
< 1118444205 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if they can be really relative
< 1118444217 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not redirects
< 1118444218 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise that's an issue
< 1118444226 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, won't they be?
< 1118444239 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you examine the host that was given in the http request?
< 1118444273 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Java doesn't care what I look at.. once it makes up its own mind, we're stuck with that decision, afaik
< 1118444289 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what I'm saying?
< 1118444306 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it decides what the codebase is
< 1118444311 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: my concern is just if the  or  or whatever tag is used allows relative paths; if that's possible then there's no issue, and I'm pretty sure it is
< 1118444318 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually.. hmmm 
< 1118444328 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the html, it is possible to specify the codebase
< 1118444341 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can tell it the codebase is on a different host than the html
< 1118444358 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can work.. as long as the code is actually where I'm telling it
< 1118444367 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways.. I need to get going
< 1118444370 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1118444371 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1118444922 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1118444925 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is crazy
< 1118444978 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.de.ioccc.org/2004/gavare.c
< 1118444983 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOCCC entry
< 1118444999 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it creates a bmp
< 1118445007 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's a raytracer
< 1118445014 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing
< 1118445503 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that valid C?
< 1118445519 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, it gave me couple of warnings
< 1118445523 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not errors :)
< 1118445557 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1118445564 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1118445573 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need similar program in brainfuck ;)
< 1118445582 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the variables aren't even typed...
< 1118445598 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they default to int then?
< 1118445605 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ran the program?
< 1118445609 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1118445611 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1118445613 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it out
< 1118445617 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will
< 1118445627 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't know, probably they default to int
< 1118445640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Untyped variables are ints.
< 1118445641 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about int was said at ioccc iirc
< 1118445654 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1118445674 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variables only default to int in C89 and C95
< 1118445678 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C99, that program would be invalid
< 1118445708 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my homework exercise solutions used untyped variables.
< 1118445734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a,b=0;main(){read(0,&a,1)?b=b*2|a&1,main():printf("%u",b);}
< 1118445764 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1118445764 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: did it take long to run on you rcomputer?
< 1118445797 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not long
< 1118445802 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe about minute or two
< 1118445813 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe three
< 1118445823 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my linux box is 187 MHz, so I guess I'll wait...
< 1118445828 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :)
< 1118445834 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think we should have articles for language inventors on the wiki?
< 1118445845 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what the A parameter is for?
< 1118445847 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or then you can terminate the program and change the values in the beginning of the code
< 1118445852 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get smaller picture
< 1118445859 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(less time, less space ;))
< 1118445868 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the X and Y params?
< 1118445877 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no idea about A
< 1118445886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'A' value is an anti-alias factor. Setting it to 1 disables the anti-aliasing feature (this makes the output look bad), but setting it too high makes the trace take a lot more time to complete.
< 1118445891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ioccc.org/2004/gavare.hint
< 1118445916 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just make x and y smaller
< 1118446010 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: perhaps some of them
< 1118446022 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like urban müller!
< 1118446030 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cpressey seemed to be
< 1118446032 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is there really much to say?
< 1118446035 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanted on the list
< 1118446036 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of
< 1118446042 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no :))
< 1118446045 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something
< 1118446049 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember
< 1118446060 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it was "wanted pages"
< 1118446062 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a short paragraph about Urban could be on the BF page
< 1118446064 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1118446092 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. well, seems to be we don't know much about this genius
< 1118446100 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm gonna find out someday
< 1118446105 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by sending e-mail :)
< 1118447688 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Authors
< 1118447692 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss