< 1117764277 0 :graue_!~graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117764387 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: is FukYourBrane really a programming language, rather than a game? < 1117764423 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely of interest to the Esoteric World, but i'm thinking maybe it shouldn't go on the language list in the wiki < 1117764790 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1117770008 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki doesn't have any programming languages whose names start with X < 1117770015 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone make up a language with a name that starts with an X < 1117771939 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1117772442 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue_: I guess the question is, is RedCode a programming language? < 1117772536 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"sleep" < 1117773111 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RedCode may be but CoreWars isn't < 1117773215 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYB/FukYorBrane is associated with your game, not with the language, and you use the page to describe the game, not the language < 1117773223 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence, i'd call it a game, and not a language < 1117773239 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1117773244 0 :graue_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :graue < 1117773288 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. So where should I link to it? I'd rather not have it just be a hanging page ... < 1117773310 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add it to [[Category:Brainfuck derivatives]] < 1117773350 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps link it from Brainfuck as a "more interesting variant", too < 1117773435 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is unsure how to get to the Category: Brainfuck derivatives page ...
< 1117773551 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add "[[Category:Brainfuck derivatives]]" at the end of the FYB article < 1117773587 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha < 1117773588 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There 'tis. < 1117776931 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1117780087 0 :GregorR-L!~GregorR-L@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117780209 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYB A0.6 released < 1117780223 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool new verbose system implemented. < 1117780236 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Produces megs of output for a run, but is very helpful. < 1117784702 0 :graue!~piecrust@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117784726 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i uploaded a wiki sql backup to http://www.oceanbase.org/graue/junk/sqlbackup.zip < 1117784734 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pgimeno, you can download that and stop worrying < 1117784746 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have the images, but there was only one image anyway, and it sucked, so no great loss < 1117784748 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1117785599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1117785600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1117790221 0 :sp3tt!~sp3tt@skola-elev2-182.edu.umea.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1117790357 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1117790459 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1117793284 0 :kipple!~kipple@163.80-202-100.nextgentel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1117801359 0 :sp3tt!~sp3tt@skola-elev2-182.edu.umea.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1117801984 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1117802271 0 :malaprop!~ph@ppp-68-251-59-237.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117805837 0 :jix!jix@p5489AE15.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117806024 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin < 1117807660 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi < 1117807867 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1117807956 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are the periods at the end of each line optional in ORK? < 1117807962 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1117807967 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1117807981 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ignores the punctuation, but it's good for clarity *shrugs* < 1117808000 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing a polyglot, so it's nice to know these things :) < 1117808009 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whew* < 1117808014 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck with that *head explodes* < 1117808037 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I have brainfuck, befunge and ORK and it was rather trivial < 1117808097 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can put the befunge and brainfuck code straight into the file, and ORK just ignores it! < 1117808103 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess since you would only need to formally comment in ORK, it ought not be too hard *shrugs* < 1117808111 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right X-D < 1117808127 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make an } else { printf("THIS BAD CODE!!!"); } < 1117808133 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean with "formally comment"? < 1117808146 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, by the spec you have to use a # to comment. < 1117808153 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really you don't ;) < 1117808163 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. same with kipple :) < 1117808182 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cipple support both types of comments < 1117808211 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the other type? (not #) < 1117808259 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10>o This is ignored because here is no command "Hello">o < 1117808278 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes. same here < 1117808301 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to get as close to your interpreter as possible < 1117808323 0 :sp3tt!~chatzilla@cust-148-133.elhandel.umeaenergi.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1117809301 0 :J|x!jix@p5489AE15.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117809508 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! I've got the polyglot working with befunge, brainfuck, kipple and ORK :) < 1117809892 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1117809899 0 :J|x!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1117809965 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do? < 1117809974 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just Hello world... < 1117809979 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather boring < 1117809999 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I intend to add several more languages < 1117810252 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polyglot? < 1117810288 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program that is valid in more than one language < 1117810293 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1117810301 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link/Example? < 1117810315 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyglot_(computing) < 1117810730 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your code? < 1117810767 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a work in progress... < 1117810849 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix|essen < 1117810890 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the eight language polyglot page: "25 Jan 2001 Richard Stallman The proper name is GNU/Polyglot, damn you!" < 1117810937 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :added chef < 1117810970 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1117810993 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am working on a language with some basic self modification... < 1117811070 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1117812765 0 :jix|essen!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1117813073 0 :Keymaker!~Not@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1117813088 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! i wanna write a polyglot too! < 1117813097 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts writing
< 1117813134 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker: Just write 'print "hello world";' and you've got python, perl, and PHP done. : < 1117813197 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1117813234 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if you really want to have fun, write a polygot quine. < 1117813256 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1117813260 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds really interesting < 1117813274 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malaprop: ruby too < 1117813278 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try! < 1117813285 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1117813288 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom!" < 1117813305 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: Damn am I good. < 1117813535 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for php you need < 1117813622 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my polyglots: http://rafb.net/paste/results/d6Bq0K77.html < 1117813632 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 languages < 1117815437 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rename.noll8.nu/sp3tt/mathspec.txt Comments? < 1117815621 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to use the 8 bf commands ? < 1117816079 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RMS doesn't get the respect he deserves. < 1117816129 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did RMS create an esolang that doesn't have a wiki page? < 1117816135 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1117816141 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's called "emacs" < 1117816154 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not a language, but it's pretty damn esoteric. < 1117816175 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just referring to the quip about "GNU/Polyglot" < 1117816211 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stop calling "Linux" GNU/Linux the day I decide to release a program I care about under a weak license like BSD instead of GPL. < 1117816229 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that those are directly related) < 1117816373 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp3tt: do you have some code examples? < 1117816387 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1117816404 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rename.noll8.nu/sp3tt/hw.math < 1117816466 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically uses a stack to print Hello world, when it can be done without one. Also demonstrates how to use userdefined vars in functions. < 1117817945 0 :Keymaker!~a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1117817958 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this'll be fun. < 1117817965 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1117818145 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/paste/results/MmZgkY86.html < 1117818178 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my 5 lang poly that prints: Just another hacker,\n < 1117818213 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O I am surprised it is even possible. < 1117818274 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in c i'm using #define:s and /**/ to comment the other code out < 1117818289 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in bf i jump ([-][ code ]) over the code containing ,s < 1117818303 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ruby i end the code with __END__ < 1117818311 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with is defined as c macro ;) ) < 1117818315 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1117818362 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 13,14 is a comment for bash to line 21 and for perl to 24 < 1117818380 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 23 is a comment for bash to line 26 < 1117818393 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm going to add whitespace ;) < 1117818586 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1117818591 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not going to do that < 1117818701 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple < 1117819326 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1117819333 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-][code] isn't really safe < 1117819366 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1117819373 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were talking about something specific, not in general < 1117819374 0 :CXI!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shuts up
< 1117819589 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kipple is included < 1117819598 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 langs.. i rule ;) < 1117819656 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.. it's working with Cipple but not with the java interpreter < 1117819694 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cipple is very syntax tolerant =<<- is ignored because neither the first nor the second < have valid arguments < 1117820735 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 != 3 according to python... < 1117821001 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 != 3 #=> False < 1117821065 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp3tt: that evaluates to False for me < 1117821123 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1117821140 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is correct. < 1117821272 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not according to python if you don't use int() correctly first <.< < 1117821322 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is (3!=3)==False wrong? < 1117821390 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough polygloting for today.. < 1117821401 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to write down lazybrain specs < 1117821508 0 :OliBir!~bb_oli@202.70.71.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1117821553 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin OliBir < 1117821706 0 :OliBir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI < 1117821782 0 :OliBir!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1117821796 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0o < 1117821947 0 :NotGregorR!~GregorR@c-24-21-138-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117821954 0 :NotGregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1117821957 0 :NotGregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI < 1117821960 0 :NotGregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1117822242 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0o... < 1117826494 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody familiar with C-INTERCAL here? Chris? < 1117826514 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get an error when trying to compile the included examples < 1117826517 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICL999I NO SKELETON IN MY CLOSET, WOE IS ME! < 1117826517 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ON THE WAY TO 1 < 1117826517 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : CORRECT SOURCE AND RESUBNIT < 1117827491 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Banned from network" < 1117829537 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: I don't know about C-INTERCAL but that error sounds as if it depends on a file from the distribution that can't be found < 1117829914 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1117829942 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same error that comes if I try to compile a file which doesn't exist. < 1117829977 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "no skeleton" part suggest it but you never know < 1117831817 0 :sp3tt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]" < 1117834898 0 :Keymaker!~a@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1117835321 0 :jix!jix@p5489AE15.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117835351 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is back
< 1117835518 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1117835530 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna be few days away starting from tomorrow < 1117835559 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 140km bike trip (and the other 140km back) < 1117835565 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally 280 km < 1117835580 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the longest trip i have ever done is ~10km < 1117835587 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::} < 1117836342 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is annoying! < 1117836353 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me about 20 mins to realize a logical error.. < 1117836425 0 :graue!~graue@ip68-100-130-21.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117836472 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, C is pretty damn annoying < 1117836904 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1117836910 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's fast < 1117836994 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1117837049 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs DirectNet, OBLISK, orkc, 2lc, and FYB.
< 1117837053 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love you, C. < 1117837058 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1117837061 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're such a wonderful language. What power, what grace. < 1117837072 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dies
< 1117837076 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again) < 1117837095 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does some pointer manipulation.
< 1117837115 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is easy to learn because it does exactly what you tell it, but like, if you make large projects with it, it sort of becomes an impossible mess < 1117837174 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it? right? < 1117837189 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all about design. < 1117837196 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any language can become an impossible mess. < 1117837204 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla is an impossible mess because of bad design. < 1117837214 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, C doesn't HELP any ;) < 1117837232 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1117837309 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need an INTERCAL article at the wiki < 1117837312 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone feel like writing one? < 1117837322 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1117837325 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do that < 1117837330 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never even tried the language < 1117837641 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL is one of those classic esoteric programming languages everyone praises and nobody programs in, i guess < 1117837933 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone said recently in the GMP mailing list: 'C' gives you enough rope to hang yourself, and will even do the favor of throwing one end of the rope over the tree for you ... < 1117837949 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1117837979 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a lame stub for INTERCAL just to have something there < 1117838001 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, pgimeno, did you see the SQL backup i made available? < 1117838015 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's here, thanks! :) < 1117838043 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suspect I'm not the only one who wants to make backups < 1117838061 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people look at that rope, and go "hey, that's handy!" then kill themselves. < 1117838083 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trick is to use the rope to devise a pully system, and then exert less effort to get your task done. < 1117838097 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, stretch all metaphores far beyond any real meaning. < 1117838201 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read partially the spec of INTERCAL, a few years ago < 1117838211 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really funny :) < 1117838239 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day I want to read it fully < 1117838248 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't INTERCAL designed to be uninterpretable/compilable? < 1117838265 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was designed just to be different < 1117838290 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are interpreters and compilers, or that's what I thought < 1117838294 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have my spec writing setup complete... i can start writing specs fast now! < 1117838331 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: yes but afaik they tried to make it as hard as possible to code them < 1117838344 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's a good diea. < 1117838347 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idea < 1117838355 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, not sure < 1117838356 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An esoteric language that is neither compilable nor interpretable. < 1117838360 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to try out INTERCAL today, but I can't even manage to compile the example programs :( < 1117838384 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a language that acts differently depending on the author's eye color. < 1117838398 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the computer can't know that, it can neither compile nor interpret it. < 1117838406 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess it could be an input. < 1117838410 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need a web cam < 1117838440 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a language that acts differently depending on the author's thoughts < 1117838447 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1117838450 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1117838471 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uses author's brain cells as memory < 1117838473 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the author is thinking "Sex" then it prints "Hello, world!" < 1117838478 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1117838492 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it is think "beer" then... < 1117838502 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking! < 1117838505 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy in basic: 10 PRINT "Hello, World!" 20 GOTO 10 < 1117838506 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 booootleeeees oof beeer on thee waaaal < 1117838577 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day I'll submit my Choon program < 1117838592 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad the wav converter crashes < 1117838864 0 :malaprop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds like the work of David R. Hawkins. < 1117841481 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple: I've reproduced the problem; when I do an strace I get this: open("/usr/local/share/intercal-0.24/ick-wrap.c", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) < 1117841684 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an intercal package available for Debian, apparently (is it the first esoteric language to be in a Linux distribution?) < 1117841714 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is? < 1117841724 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice :) < 1117841732 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two, actually; one in perl and the other seems to be c-intercal < 1117841743 0 :mathkid!mathkid@1Cust230.an4.det15.da.uu.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1117841744 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current specs (just lang design no syntax yet): http://www.harderweb.de/jix/langs/lazybrain/specs.rc.txt (redcloth text file) http://www.harderweb.de/jix/langs/lazybrain/specs.html the generated html < 1117841760 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1117841879 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: I'm pretty sure it's not the first, they've got Java. < 1117842299 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated my .txt => html script to output strict xhtml (the automatic content list generation is done by me... txt => html is redcloth and html cleanup is tidy) < 1117842452 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1117842581 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done an important part of my specs and no one cares .. ;) < 1117842607 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be patient ;) < 1117842829 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a basic idea of "be patient," consider that it was several weeks between my writing FYB and your picking it up ;) < 1117842868 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: but it was 5min between i knew about FYB and my first test program ;) < 1117842942 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touchet ;) < 1117842946 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With spelling 8-D < 1117842964 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, we cannot yet write programs in lazybrain. < 1117842993 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe.. yes. but i just want some respond to my ideas.. < 1117842996 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With spelling? < 1117843162 0 :kipple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! the debian intercal package works!