< 1089273599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1089273600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1089274353 0 :WildHalcyon!~wildhal@c-24-18-250-7.client.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1089274361 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey late-night esoteric people! < 1089274676 0 :deltab!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning here < 1089274752 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, where is "here" ? < 1089274764 0 :deltab!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK < 1089274775 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that makes it close to around 10 am then, right? < 1089274787 0 :deltab!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:20 < 1089274814 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, earlier than I thought < 1089274859 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do you work with esoteric languages much deltab? < 1089274882 0 :deltab!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work, no; play, sometimes :-) < 1089274969 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess its hard to "work" with esoteric languages < 1089274995 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im not entirely sure how many people have put down the ability to work with bf on their resume, but I imagine its probably less than 10 < 1089275579 0 :WildHalcyon_!~wildhal@c-24-18-250-7.client.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1089276654 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1089279250 0 :WildHalcyon_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1089299043 0 :Keymaker!~Keymaker@wire74.adsl.netsonic.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1089299052 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.. < 1089299081 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehloo. < 1089299095 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1089301836 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm,, bye < 1089301838 0 :Keymaker!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1089303202 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away < 1089305883 0 :calamari_!JeffryJohn@as07-pho-az-205-186-110-231.rasserver.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1089305887 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1089306128 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was wrong.. I can't get away with just [].. if I did that, I'd have to make regular variables return their address, which would mean to do a regular variable you'd have y[0]=x[0]+1 .. pretty lame. < 1089306171 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y=x+1 would be like int *y=&x+1 < 1089306186 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1089306193 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need & < 1089306202 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your assembler is very good. it's now possible to write tcpip in bf. < 1089306221 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtv: lol < 1089306237 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't joking :) < 1089306270 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be ;) < 1089306279 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was small tcpip stack in php and it shouldn't be more than 64k of bf-asm code i think. < 1089306303 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually someone could just rewrite that code in bf-asm < 1089306316 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1089306333 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about the details of tcp/ip < 1089306340 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sics.se/~adam/phpstack/ < 1089306377 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcp/ip is simple if you don't want to get complex about it. < 1089306479 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty neat < 1089306615 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing bfasm is still missing is bit manipulation < 1089306652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's all kinds of stuff like explicit congestion notification (RFC2884), syncookies, window scaling (RFC1323), Nagle's algorithm and loads of others if you want a funky tcp/ip stack. < 1089306671 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a routine that only requires constant memory regardless of the size of the cells < 1089306744 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long it'll take before we see the first brainf*ck web server that talks something like SLIP into the input/output streams of brainf*ck. < 1089307130 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to have a web server somehow it will need to access a modem or network card. Can standard i/o be redirected in *nix to allow that? < 1089307165 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see this guy just has it going over a serial cable < 1089307173 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, you can do it without any network at all. < 1089307228 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's possible over loopback on any sane unix. < 1089307268 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, i remember there was tap interface. there should be readme or something. < 1089307299 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tap exists on linux or *bsd, do you have any? < 1089307387 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have linux on another partition < 1089307491 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can install *nix on any old 386 machine, work remotely and have a windows as a workstation. < 1089307571 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah.. do you know of any cpu testing programs? < 1089307609 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu testing? your bf-asm compiling itself? :) < 1089307611 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a system that crashes out when trying to load windows or linux.. works fine in dos < 1089307626 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it's something with protected mode or what < 1089307643 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ran a memory testing program and it found no problems < 1089307659 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it hang or does it print something before death? < 1089307689 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the windows installer it gave various error messages < 1089307713 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most probably it < 1089307720 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux would give some kind of error (with the register dump, etc) < 1089307721 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s broken < 1089307746 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty weird that dos works, though < 1089307750 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow < 1089307754 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or totally incompatible. indeed it's unusable. < 1089307771 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are network drivers for dos < 1089307774 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1089307839 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1089307844 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lament < 1089307910 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that stuff from Adam Dunkels works just like a charm in *nix and easy to debug. in dos and windows you will need to do something to terminate such a strange networking. < 1089308286 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in win31 it would be easy with trumpet networking and a null-modem between two com-ports. < 1089308349 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I didn't try installing win3.1.. that's a great idea < 1089308439 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for distracting you from bf-c :) in win3.1 there was three mode afair, and it's possible to avoid protected mode with some config key. < 1089308458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a command-line flag. < 1089308466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to disable the "386 Enhanced" mode. < 1089308473 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure about 3.1? I remember 3.0 could do it < 1089308480 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 3.1 too. < 1089308516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I have a feeling I ran 3.1 on a 386sx/16 with only 1M of memory, and the 386-enhanced mode needs at least 2M to work, so it ran on the non-enhanced mode by default. < 1089308523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it might've been 3.0 too. < 1089308553 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't run win32s on it in that mode, though. < 1089308602 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think the backported ie5+ms-ppp/slip-dialer needs win32s. trumpet could work. < 1089308635 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trumper with netscape 1.0 is more than needed :) < 1089308635 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have trumpet around here somewhere on an old isp cd < 1089308660 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine was on an isp floppy, and I'd be surprised if it's not un-broken still. < 1089308738 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcpman.exe 119K, netscape.exe 1.2M :) < 1089308770 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I had netscape during my win3.11 times. < 1089308784 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a version of mosaic on the floppy. < 1089308820 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. I think I discovered the problem < 1089308836 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a bad cpu fan < 1089308850 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least that's the current problem < 1089309329 0 :|Stryder|!~mstilwell@mo-65-41-98-92.dyn.sprint-hsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1089309433 0 :|Stryder|!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1089312678 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu fan changed.. trying knoppix < 1089312874 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1089312881 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pun intended) < 1089312917 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1089313020 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.. it's still booting.. I don't think knoppix was designed for a 450mhz cpu < 1089313046 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :450MHz is quite a few < 1089313088 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh, kde finally coming up < 1089313111 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. actually not 450.. 333 .. remembered that wrong < 1089313145 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, my email relay thingie works again. now to update some MX records. < 1089313749 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1089314863 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1089316106 0 :WildHalcyon!~wildhal@c-24-18-250-7.client.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1089317239 0 :WildHalcyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Goin' away now!" < 1089319760 0 :kosmikus|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus < 1089324785 0 :kosmikus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kosmikus|away