< 1083629418 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083631206 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083631228 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou, check your memos < 1083631379 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the separator lines are too thick, but the title idea is very good. < 1083631387 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please dcc over the tarball < 1083631408 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't archive it, since you can download it yourself < 1083631414 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll do so now if you want < 1083631426 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which separator lines? < 1083631447 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the orange-gray lines < 1083631472 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be the same as in your design < 1083631485 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're about five pixels thick or so. < 1083631498 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they appear to me to be 10 < 1083631513 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you set them as height="1", which doesn't have a unit < 1083631515 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be 1-pixel high :) < 1083631528 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should've used 1px < 1083631533 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like them thicker, personally < 1083631541 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 10 is probably too much < 1083631583 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, check now, how's that? < 1083631610 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, now they are subtler < 1083631684 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should we use darker colors? you know, for the site to be more, eh, sinister :) < 1083631722 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it how it is. Sinister will scare people away. We don't want the site to do that, we want the languages to :-P < 1083631779 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh luring them in with candy and sweet talk and then sodomizing their minds. that's so, eh, esoteric... >8-)# < 1083631786 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, the way I have it done, the colors are all customizable, except for the title bar and subtitle, which I didn't feel like making classes for individual letters < 1083631818 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one reason I hate table-based sites so much < 1083631827 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to change appearance you have to mess with html < 1083631843 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, the wikied code is stacked on my todo que (as #1), since i have to learn latex right now, i'll restart work on it tomorrow or the day after. < 1083631875 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you happen to be able to make it in PHP? < 1083631886 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki? < 1083631893 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that way whatever I do will integrate better < 1083631899 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1083631924 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't know PHP, it's no big deal... but I probably should learn perl anyway < 1083631925 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. there are about 100 lines of C left, so I'll finish that first and then i'll rewrite it in php < 1083631948 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you using C? < 1083631953 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's not in perl; perl is evil and at the same time sucks like a hoover. < 1083631972 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plus, i would have to break the chroot or create a local tree with perl+libs) < 1083631979 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch where you say that... this is a programming channel < 1083632005 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an esoteric programming channel, so i can hate and bash every and all languages :) < 1083632013 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touche < 1083632083 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know! if you're using that argument, let's make the site in Brainfuck! < 1083632116 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did see a webserver somewhere that had a brainfuck mod) < 1083632158 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apache has a mod_bf and i considered using it. < 1083632168 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't know that < 1083632183 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, i value what is left of my mental stability :) < 1083632259 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever mental stability I had is now gone since I created my own esoteric lang < 1083632275 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, it's far too overrated anyway < 1083632408 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think we should have a user system? < 1083632419 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm working on php-ing it now) < 1083632451 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about a user system < 1083632546 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a required sign-up system, an optional one, so credit /can/ be given if wanted < 1083632573 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, *that*. well, that is already in the works. < 1083632577 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1083632609 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I screw over the IE users and make a cool bottom bar like I have on my homepage, http://www.toreun.org? < 1083632641 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would we just cram everything into the contents section of the left? < 1083632688 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking for organizing wiki link trees and other random stuff? < 1083632700 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bottom bar seems to work ok in ie6... < 1083632706 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really? < 1083632719 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think so :) < 1083632734 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't even show up for me < 1083632743 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and last time I tried it, it didn't mouseover well < 1083632754 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh here we go, I refreshed < 1083632760 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bottom bar is the thingie with the buttons? < 1083632760 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mouseover doesn't work < 1083632774 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's the thing with the links < 1083632779 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that on IE appears at the top < 1083632786 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good browsers it should be fixed always at the bottom of the page < 1083632805 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, yes, at the top. what should the mouseover do? < 1083632817 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring up submenus < 1083632827 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it in another browser < 1083632837 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's horribly useless, but incredibly cool < 1083632839 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have/use any other browsers < 1083632867 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, then my new site design will most likely look quite different on your browser than intended < 1083632886 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should look nearly EXACTLY the same as yours, with only a few pixels off in a few places < 1083632927 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better have a site that will be viewable from any browser < 1083632957 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah - we're going for the "poison candy" philosophy *g* < 1083632990 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not poison, hallucinogenic (we have edwin working on that department) < 1083632997 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need... a... smoke... < 1083633023 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, mushrooms don't necessarily attract people like candy < 1083633094 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking along the lines of soaking the candy with strong amanita muscaria extract. < 1083633108 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, coding under the influence of entheogens will probably be *something* < 1083633154 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, brainfuck < 1083633164 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally < 1083633172 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1083633193 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, do you know the rewrite rule for .htaccess files? < 1083633264 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been meaning to learn it, but never got around to it) < 1083633338 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewrite rules? eh since i don't know what it means, i guess i don't know them :) < 1083633369 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're used by apache to determine what information is being requested and what information is being given < 1083633373 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on URLs < 1083633386 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's exceedingly complex and not exactly sensible < 1083633406 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/exceedingly/unnecessarily < 1083633420 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't mean plain .htaccess, right? heh < 1083633461 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some stuff in .htaccess is pretty easy, since it's just basically a .conf < 1083633561 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make /pagename refer to /index.php?action=pagename < 1083633595 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm dunno how to do it < 1083633699 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1083633790 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess linking to ?something is gonna have to suffice < 1083633812 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, like literally ln -s'ing? < 1083633843 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean href'ing < 1083633860 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1083634090 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i *found* it! < 1083634092 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/ffcc/ < 1083634123 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1083634555 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be, it came highly recommended... < 1083635472 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o andreou < 1083635476 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+ooo edwinb fizzie kosmikus|away < 1083635479 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+ooo mooz- mtve Taaus < 1083635482 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Toreun < 1083635725 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm out < 1083635727 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"z." < 1083639286 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp5.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083639323 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's http://www.toreun.org/esoteric/index2.php? < 1083639354 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's my modification) < 1083639404 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the bf program do? < 1083639415 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that mod has a lot of blank space :) < 1083639473 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I made it a fixed size < 1083639478 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of a quine < 1083639619 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to about < 1083639694 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer'' that reminds me of something. < 1083639710 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the standard spacefilling text < 1083639712 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lipsum.com < 1083639723 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah heh < 1083639747 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to show you what happens when there's more to a page than normally fits < 1083639808 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's never more than normally fits, we esotericists can handle anything and everything! < 1083639822 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sinister laughing* < 1083639824 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should get mozilla or firefox, just so you can see how my site is supposed to look :-P < 1083639853 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do so if i go to the tei today ;p < 1083639863 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotericists? how bout "esoterians"? < 1083639885 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more cult-like... i like it :) < 1083640080 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tei? < 1083640125 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teiath.gr :) < 1083640185 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1083640654 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, in IE 6 my site looks so... esoteric < 1083640687 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all wrong. < 1083640697 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have written it in either befunge or lojban. < 1083640742 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban as a programming language? now there's an interesting idea < 1083640756 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a human language < 1083640759 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is loglan < 1083640761 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1083640763 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'logical language' < 1083640779 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a conlang fan(atic?) too < 1083640789 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i got it: we'll write it in greek. < 1083640791 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient greek. < 1083640822 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin, we already have the about page done! < 1083640833 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no - ancient egyptian hieroglyphs! < 1083640839 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin can be easilly deciphered < 1083640844 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's an idea < 1083640855 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since there are no fonts < 1083640868 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll write them by hand, then scan them and save them in an obscure format < 1083640887 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which the documentation is produced by a program in malbolge < 1083640900 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we will introduce a bug or two in the program. < 1083640918 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an obscure format /generated/ by a malbolge program! < 1083640938 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't work < 1083640957 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but translated into .png by a bug-ridden malbolge program... that's something. < 1083641042 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why png? how bout one of those weird macintosh formats < 1083641078 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xpm < 1083641100 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that for the gimp, too? < 1083641105 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so most people will have to try and read a 1024x768 C structure < 1083641111 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there's no support < 1083641155 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think any mental stability I had now has completely gone. < 1083641176 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any mental what? < 1083641183 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1083641213 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1083641221 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'll go make an icecream now. < 1083641252 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh - instead of sticking *just* to malbolge - we make it a polyglot for every language in our wiki < 1083641332 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I suppose that'd make it too easy to compile < 1083641395 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should skip the icecream and go directly to heavy liquor < 1083641442 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have edwin give you some mushrooms < 1083641462 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't want to hallucinate about malbolge, mon! < 1083641464 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1083641507 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good point... usage of hallucinogens prevents psychological defense mechanisms < 1083641528 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1083642078 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your wiki have a separate discussion board? < 1083642107 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, no, just one wiki per language < 1083642157 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make more wiki pages? < 1083642169 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you submit a new language? < 1083642190 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make as many as you want < 1083642209 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was thinking each page, or each language, at least, have it's own forum-type thing, where users can discuss the language) < 1083642213 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought that the wikis would be an easy way to have pages about the languages, i didn't use them as fora < 1083642244 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, which is why I was thinking each wiki page would have its own forum, to have discussions < 1083642260 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than have users discuss directly on the wiki, crowding everything < 1083642304 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the wiki will be used just for the definitions of languages etc < 1083642317 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really hate web fora, i prefer mailing lists :) < 1083642365 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083642394 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my mail server is blacklisted on the esoteric mailing list, last time I checked < 1083642410 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come? < 1083642413 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1083642418 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably an open relay < 1083642431 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about not having whois information < 1083642444 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ident? < 1083642448 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my domain, I'm assuming, but some other domain on the same server < 1083642452 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1083642455 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you the admin of the mail server? < 1083642461 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1083642471 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whois and ident are different stuff < 1083642479 0 :heatsink!~heatsink@dan0612.urh.uiuc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1083642484 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the whole of .gr doesn't have whois (thanks, hostmaster.gr), however i can post < 1083642490 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably something else < 1083642502 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1083642503 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1083642527 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm blacklisted on many servers, because of bad administration on the part of my server, so a lot of mailing lists I can't access < 1083642575 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, with a wiki, people may be inclined to post discussions anyway < 1083642616 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the exelixis of the wiki will drive discussions out :) < 1083642627 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if we need another forum, i will put one up < 1083642644 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was, however, thinking of a reference site for the available esolangs < 1083642645 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not do what wikipedia did, give every page a discussion section? < 1083642669 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's doable i think < 1083642678 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not provisioned in the code, but How Hard Could It Be TM < 1083642679 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heatsink: that's what I'm thinking, but instead of just making the discussion section just be another wiki, make it be a messageboard < 1083642680 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1083642699 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I could implement it into the code fairly easily < 1083642714 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just get the wikipedia.org wiki < 1083642737 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On c2.com/wiki there're no separate discussion pages, but people discuss things anyway < 1083642750 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i need something that won't need a whole libc+perl tree < 1083642763 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suck < 1083642822 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would offer my server as webspace, but I'm afraid it's so unreliable it wouldn't be much good < 1083642845 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to downtime or due to security issues? < 1083642846 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has perl support already < 1083642859 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :downtime due to security issues, I'm assuming < 1083642865 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DoS attacks < 1083642871 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1083642872 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1083642876 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm out to get some work done < 1083642885 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1083642891 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1083642896 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"werk." < 1083642933 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament and heatsink, what do you think of my modifications to andreou's design? (http://www.toreun.org/esoteric) < 1083643000 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "best viewed with mozilla" graphic is misaligned in konqueror < 1083643041 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is designed for mozilla < 1083643045 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what do you mean, misaligned? < 1083643075 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's behind the bottom of the main div < 1083643097 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your screen resolution? < 1083643125 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1200 by 900 or something like that < 1083643134 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be fine < 1083643139 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your text size is larger < 1083643143 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that might be affecting it < 1083643143 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the brainfuck background, though < 1083643156 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks... I figured there should be something there < 1083643227 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "about" text is very unoriginal < 1083643235 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just to fill space < 1083643238 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to show the overflow < 1083643246 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION disapproves of plagiarism
< 1083643259 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1083643275 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1083643320 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I really liked andreou's formatting of the box background and border < 1083643342 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant it to be nearly exactly the same < 1083643344 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one only has orange on the top, and a homogeneous background < 1083643363 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a homogeneous background? < 1083643365 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't... < 1083643373 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just orange on top < 1083643374 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at default.css
< 1083643389 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points to little graphic at bottom right of page
< 1083643415 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no border-bottom field for #left in default.css < 1083643421 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1083643433 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in #container < 1083643450 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see < 1083643452 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's a bottom-border for #main, that overrides it < 1083643487 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(originally I didn't keep it a fixed size, so I needed the left bar to extend with the main section) < 1083643492 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least look like it did) < 1083643580 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that #main is filling the entire width of #container < 1083643598 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you take a screenshot? < 1083643655 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgot how to do that
< 1083643673 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the gimp you can do it < 1083643685 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe kde supports the print-screen key < 1083643699 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a shell program that would do it < 1083643705 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it before < 1083643718 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1083643844 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just make an alternate CSS < 1083643882 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for people who don't use Mozilla or Lynx < 1083644028 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I got it < 1083644166 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, the first 13 rows of pixels are white < 1083644200 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 596 white pixels < 1083644221 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next pixel is 152,114,255 < 1083644228 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you writing this down? < 1083644262 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1083644284 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 rows of what, left? < 1083644329 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you send the screenshot? < 1083644404 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whither? < 1083644430 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toreun@toreun.org works for email < 1083644448 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could try dcc, though I don't think it works that well with GAIM < 1083644539 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never dcced before < 1083644562 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1083644565 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dcc send Toreun ~/tmp/screenshot.jpg < 1083644584 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try dcc get me < 1083644587 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack, try that again? I was typing and must've hit c < 1083644620 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /dcc < 1083644627 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /dcc get heatsink < 1083644655 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not working? < 1083644709 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see a message if I do this? < 1083644719 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess not < 1083644726 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you type /dcc get heatsink? < 1083644758 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it doesn't work with gaim < 1083644799 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use xchat? < 1083644854 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on, switching... < 1083644875 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"gaim irc support is limited..." < 1083644893 0 :Toreun!bvnvja@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083644951 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connected failed < 1083644957 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1083644971 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does DCC go over a different port than irc? < 1083644976 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be the firewall < 1083644991 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm DMZ host, right now, the firewall shouldn't be a problem, at least on my side < 1083645009 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I have a firewall that blocks some porta < 1083645062 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :else: print "unknown comand!!111 AHR AHR U SUX0R" < 1083645073 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a line from my script < 1083645096 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll e-mail you then < 1083645102 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that works < 1083645369 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shoudl do it < 1083645414 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that looks like it does on Internet Explorer < 1083645507 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to bed
< 1083645518 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... now it seems that IE renders it more correctly < 1083645520 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, g'night < 1083645535 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1083645546 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083647040 0 :Toreun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1083647065 0 :Toreun!ulszy@ool-45738c44.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083649270 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Dead socket < 1083649296 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1083656576 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083657599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1083657600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1083662847 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083672062 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1083689164 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Operation timed out < 1083693126 0 :cmeme!~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com JOIN :#esoteric