01:28:46 -!- andreou has joined. 01:31:17 i've been working on the site. turns out that i can create some mean layouts :) 01:32:02 http://meme.b9.com/clog/esoteric/04.04.30 01:32:07 http://meme.b9.com/clog/esoteric/04.05.01 01:32:14 when i /quit, time stops :-) 01:38:46 xm, the wiki is still to be coded. 01:38:48 -!- andreou has quit ("wikied."). 01:44:20 waah, did the time stop again? 01:44:48 phew, I can still irc. 02:11:39 -!- andreou has joined. 02:16:32 hehe hey, mad html skills! 02:16:45 eh, psychotic, to be exact. 02:17:05 -!- andreou has set topic: http://bitrot.ee.teiath.gr/esoteric/ please provide feedback. the wiki will be ready Really Soon Now.. 02:36:51 -!- andreou has quit ("fnord."). 02:57:18 -!- heatsink has joined. 03:49:41 -!- andreou has joined. 03:49:55 hm need perl help, anyone alive? 03:57:49 I might be able to help 03:58:07 good 03:58:09 Here's some help: use python instead :) 03:58:15 What's the problem? 03:58:21 hm i would, but i didn't have it on the local unix box :) 03:58:26 i have this code: 03:58:36 my $html_header = \ 03:58:36 ' 03:58:36 03:58:39 ... more stuff ... 03:58:40 '; 03:58:48 ok 03:58:52 and i try to print it with print $html_header; 03:59:01 and the only thing i get is SCALAR(0x211d90) 03:59:16 it prints the internal representation or whatever, and not the actual text. 04:00:55 Same thing doesn't happen for me 04:01:19 i'm on 5.6.1 04:01:33 I apparently have 5.8.3 04:02:08 i'm not sure that this is really what's different. 04:02:43 I noticed that when I print \$html_header then I get what you get 04:02:54 What happens if you print $$html_header? 04:03:12 heh 04:03:13 :) 04:03:40 hmm? 04:03:48 k works now 04:04:08 not sure why, though :) . 04:04:18 Maybe it was that extra backslash? :) 04:04:53 'extra'? 04:05:01 oh, you think? 04:05:04 let's see... 04:05:28 shit, yeah. 04:05:35 corrolary: perl is illogical. 04:06:32 Is there a name for the type symbols that go in front of Perl variables? 04:06:52 Hungarian punctuation or something? 04:07:06 you mean like $sSomeScalar? 04:07:10 yea 04:07:20 yes, i think it's hungarian naming 04:07:28 did you check out the site? 04:07:39 no 04:07:48 well, do so :) 04:08:20 I love the color scheme 04:08:38 and layout 04:08:53 heh thanks :) 04:09:01 the wikied code is what you'll hate :-) 04:09:52 I think you misspelled it 04:09:56 It's "wicked" 04:10:04 ;) 04:10:10 i know it's wicked 04:10:12 em, "wicked" i mean. 04:10:26 it's wiki-ed -> wikied (pronounced "wicked") 04:10:30 you know, wicked languages 04:10:49 oh, ok 04:11:21 * heatsink doesn't turn 'wikied' into the same sound 04:11:36 * heatsink will get it right next time 04:11:44 Also, you need a space between the b and the d 04:11:52 in feedback 04:12:02 i know, it wraps around though, so i bugged it :) 04:12:27 k 04:14:11 anyway, i'm back to perl 04:14:13 thanks :) 04:14:14 -!- andreou has quit ("w."). 07:41:05 -!- andreou has joined. 07:41:36 damned language, that perl. 07:41:51 * heatsink agrees 07:42:04 i'm rewriting wikied in, and it proceeds rapidly. 07:42:38 i'm uploading the new layout of esoteric now, it's better than the previous (i hope) 07:42:41 That sounds marvelous, but I suspect it's moreso because of a grammatical error 07:42:58 You're rewriting wikied in, and it proceeds rapidly? 07:43:00 are you calling my grammar a liar? :) 07:43:06 ah, in. 07:43:07 yes, in c. 07:43:11 ok :) 07:43:12 my grammar lies. 07:43:43 plus, if i statically link the executable i won't have to un-chroot apache 07:43:52 * heatsink has been experimenting with lil' computer-generated 2d abstract image algorithms 07:44:06 any pretty pictures? 07:44:15 Not yet, just blobs 07:44:26 I gotta tune the algorithm methinks 07:44:31 blobs can be interesting, with the help of edwin. 07:45:05 There are free wiki sources too, if you wanted to do that 07:45:24 even just have them for reference 07:45:27 i know, but i thought i'd like a little adventure. 07:45:47 * andreou is listening to laika 07:45:53 heatsink where are you from? 07:46:14 * heatsink is from usa 07:46:18 i have to darken the 'contents' td background... 07:46:20 which state? 07:46:24 cali 07:46:31 -!- lament has joined. 07:46:36 lament, rejoice! 07:47:03 contents links need a little contrast 07:47:05 fizzie oh, i just forgot to turn off the multiverse rtc, that's why you could irc (i'm a poet...) 07:49:09 Ah, now I'm starting to get interesting stuff 07:49:18 Now that I've detected a misplaced parenthesis :) 07:49:28 oh 07:49:31 * lament rejoices 07:49:38 i love broken links! 07:49:46 the wiki is being worked on 07:49:52 i darkened the bgcolor. 07:50:10 heh tfts suck for webdev. 07:50:36 tft? 07:52:08 yeah, i use a laptop as my workstation 07:58:10 why do laptops suck for webdev? They run vim as good as any other computer. 07:58:49 not laptops, tfts. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:02:44 ah, something a little interesting, now 08:03:14 * heatsink uses his ol' website that's getting cluttered for a quick demo 08:03:20 http://www.geocities.com/noktakanto/cgimg.html 08:04:19 it's nice 08:04:22 like bloodcells 08:05:14 thx 08:05:49 ftp> open ftp.openbsd.org 08:05:49 Connected to openbsd.sunsite.ualberta.ca. 08:05:49 421 There are too many connected users, please try later. 08:05:49 heh 08:05:53 I didn't think I'd come up with an algorithm in 4 hours 08:05:57 i should have done it nine hours ago. 08:06:15 what are all these canadians doing? They shoudl be asleep! 08:06:37 they are giving us somebody to blaim. 08:06:38 blame 08:07:09 in any case, duth is available if you want the latest obsd. 08:07:18 ftp://ftp.duth.gr/pub/OpenBSD/3.5/ 08:07:22 xm, or not. 08:07:24 heh 08:07:37 THOSE DAMNED CANADIANS. 08:08:38 Figuring out an algorithm for making hyperdispersed random dots is hard 08:09:23 Also, "hyperdispersed" is a word that doesn't seem to be used outside of ecology. We should fix that. 08:36:07 -!- andreou has set topic: http://bitrot.ee.teiath.gr/esoteric/ please provide feedback. the wiki will be ready Really Soon Now. -- language of the week: http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/ook.html write something in/for ook.. 08:38:52 the orange-on-white text is still hard to read... 08:39:08 on which white? 08:39:21 excuse me, orange-on-argent 08:40:02 it's easilly readable on my screen... anyway, i'll try to find a descent shade of orange 08:40:37 It might be because my screen is over 1200 px wide or something... 08:42:02 how many inches? (is your monitor) 08:42:38 seventeen 08:42:56 small. 08:42:58 it's lcd 08:43:56 maybe i should increase the font size to 11 or 12... 08:44:16 hm, wait, it's... P { font-family: arial,verdana; font-size: 12px; color: 000000; } 08:44:29 12 pixels? 08:44:52 so it says 08:44:53 -!- lament has quit ("Leaving"). 08:47:35 -!- lament has joined. 08:48:00 ugh 08:48:02 why does it have to be ook? :( 08:48:23 ook is a dutch word, isn't it? 08:48:44 no, it's just dutch-like 08:48:50 lament one language per week :) 08:50:27 I'm going to bed then 08:50:36 see yaz 08:50:37 ok 08:50:43 -!- heatsink has quit ("Leaving"). 08:51:14 I don't count Ook to be an esoteric language at all 08:51:14 lament allow me... 08:51:27 it's brainfuck with a few candy 08:52:15 Any language isomorphic with an already existing language is dumb 08:52:30 useless 08:52:31 Also, brainfuck has better syntax. 08:52:42 syntax, heh... 08:52:51 Brainfuck's syntax isn't obfuscated 08:52:53 which is good 08:53:01 Syntax should never be obfuscated 08:53:14 Algorithms and primitives should be obfuscated :) 08:53:14 indeed, the obfuscation lies at a more important level 08:53:31 But in ook, only syntax is needlessly obfuscated relative to Brainfuck 08:56:19 i go lie down and read the dis docs now. 08:56:28 eh what on earth forced me to download miktex... 08:56:58 heh, dis 08:57:12 i doubt anybody ever looked at dis in detail 08:58:28 indeed. 09:14:23 Because if they did, they'd look like cowards. 09:14:44 naaah 09:19:44 cowards 09:19:48 you're a coward 09:19:56 your mother is ashamed of you! 09:20:00 say that in my face. 09:20:34 well, that's true, but only because i code. 09:29:38 dis was for people who thing malbolge's to hard-core? 09:30:05 exactly. Dis is "Malbolge lite(tm)" 09:30:16 and malbolge is malbolge proper. 09:54:00 * andreou looks for his two typewriters 10:07:49 found the greek, didn't find the latin. of course, i was looking for the latin... 11:08:58 -!- lament has quit ("Leaving"). 12:25:48 -!- andreou has quit (""Sleeping""). 21:34:38 -!- lament has joined. 22:13:04 -!- andreou has joined.