< 1083374926 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083375077 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been working on the site. turns out that i can create some mean layouts :) < 1083375122 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meme.b9.com/clog/esoteric/04.04.30 < 1083375127 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meme.b9.com/clog/esoteric/04.05.01 < 1083375134 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i /quit, time stops :-) < 1083375526 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xm, the wiki is still to be coded. < 1083375528 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"wikied." < 1083375860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waah, did the time stop again? < 1083375888 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew, I can still irc. < 1083377499 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083377792 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe hey, mad html skills! < 1083377805 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, psychotic, to be exact. < 1083377825 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://bitrot.ee.teiath.gr/esoteric/ please provide feedback. the wiki will be ready Really Soon Now. < 1083379011 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"fnord." < 1083380238 0 :heatsink!~heatsink@dan0612.urh.uiuc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1083383381 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp5.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083383395 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm need perl help, anyone alive? < 1083383869 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to help < 1083383887 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1083383889 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's some help: use python instead :) < 1083383895 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the problem? < 1083383901 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i would, but i didn't have it on the local unix box :) < 1083383906 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this code: < 1083383916 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $html_header = \ < 1083383916 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1083383916 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1083383919 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... more stuff ... < 1083383920 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'; < 1083383928 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1083383932 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i try to print it with print $html_header; < 1083383941 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only thing i get is SCALAR(0x211d90) < 1083383956 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints the internal representation or whatever, and not the actual text. < 1083384055 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing doesn't happen for me < 1083384079 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on 5.6.1 < 1083384093 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apparently have 5.8.3 < 1083384128 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that this is really what's different. < 1083384163 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed that when I print \$html_header then I get what you get < 1083384174 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you print $$html_header? < 1083384192 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1083384193 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1083384220 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1083384228 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k works now < 1083384248 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why, though :) . < 1083384258 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was that extra backslash? :) < 1083384293 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'extra'? < 1083384301 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you think? < 1083384304 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... < 1083384328 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, yeah. < 1083384335 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrolary: perl is illogical. < 1083384392 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for the type symbols that go in front of Perl variables? < 1083384412 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungarian punctuation or something? < 1083384426 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like $sSomeScalar? < 1083384430 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1083384440 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i think it's hungarian naming < 1083384448 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you check out the site? < 1083384459 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1083384468 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, do so :) < 1083384500 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the color scheme < 1083384518 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and layout < 1083384533 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh thanks :) < 1083384541 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikied code is what you'll hate :-) < 1083384592 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you misspelled it < 1083384596 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "wicked" < 1083384604 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1083384610 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's wicked < 1083384612 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :em, "wicked" i mean. < 1083384626 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's wiki-ed -> wikied (pronounced "wicked") < 1083384630 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, wicked languages < 1083384649 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1083384681 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't turn 'wikied' into the same sound
< 1083384696 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will get it right next time
< 1083384704 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you need a space between the b and the d < 1083384712 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in feedback < 1083384722 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, it wraps around though, so i bugged it :) < 1083384747 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1083384851 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i'm back to perl < 1083384853 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1083384854 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"w." < 1083397265 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1083397296 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned language, that perl. < 1083397311 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION agrees
< 1083397324 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm rewriting wikied in, and it proceeds rapidly. < 1083397358 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm uploading the new layout of esoteric now, it's better than the previous (i hope) < 1083397361 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds marvelous, but I suspect it's moreso because of a grammatical error < 1083397378 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're rewriting wikied in, and it proceeds rapidly? < 1083397380 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you calling my grammar a liar? :) < 1083397386 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, in. < 1083397387 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in c. < 1083397391 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1083397392 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grammar lies. < 1083397423 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, if i statically link the executable i won't have to un-chroot apache < 1083397432 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been experimenting with lil' computer-generated 2d abstract image algorithms
< 1083397446 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any pretty pictures? < 1083397455 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet, just blobs < 1083397466 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta tune the algorithm methinks < 1083397471 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blobs can be interesting, with the help of edwin. < 1083397505 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are free wiki sources too, if you wanted to do that < 1083397524 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even just have them for reference < 1083397527 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, but i thought i'd like a little adventure. < 1083397547 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is listening to laika
< 1083397553 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heatsink where are you from? < 1083397574 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is from usa
< 1083397578 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to darken the 'contents' td background... < 1083397580 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which state? < 1083397584 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cali < 1083397591 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083397596 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, rejoice! < 1083397623 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :contents links need a little contrast < 1083397625 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie oh, i just forgot to turn off the multiverse rtc, that's why you could irc (i'm a poet...) < 1083397749 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, now I'm starting to get interesting stuff < 1083397758 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I've detected a misplaced parenthesis :) < 1083397768 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1083397771 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rejoices
< 1083397778 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love broken links! < 1083397786 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is being worked on < 1083397792 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i darkened the bgcolor. < 1083397810 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh tfts suck for webdev. < 1083397836 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tft? < 1083397928 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i use a laptop as my workstation < 1083398290 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do laptops suck for webdev? They run vim as good as any other computer. < 1083398329 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not laptops, tfts. < 1083398399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1083398400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1083398564 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, something a little interesting, now < 1083398594 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses his ol' website that's getting cluttered for a quick demo
< 1083398600 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geocities.com/noktakanto/cgimg.html < 1083398659 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice < 1083398662 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like bloodcells < 1083398714 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1083398749 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp> open ftp.openbsd.org < 1083398749 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connected to openbsd.sunsite.ualberta.ca. < 1083398749 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :421 There are too many connected users, please try later. < 1083398749 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1083398753 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think I'd come up with an algorithm in 4 hours < 1083398757 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have done it nine hours ago. < 1083398775 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are all these canadians doing? They shoudl be asleep! < 1083398797 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are giving us somebody to blaim. < 1083398798 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame < 1083398829 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, duth is available if you want the latest obsd. < 1083398838 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.duth.gr/pub/OpenBSD/3.5/ < 1083398842 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xm, or not. < 1083398844 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1083398857 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOSE DAMNED CANADIANS. < 1083398918 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figuring out an algorithm for making hyperdispersed random dots is hard < 1083398963 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "hyperdispersed" is a word that doesn't seem to be used outside of ecology. We should fix that. < 1083400567 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://bitrot.ee.teiath.gr/esoteric/ please provide feedback. the wiki will be ready Really Soon Now. -- language of the week: http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/ook.html write something in/for ook. < 1083400732 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the orange-on-white text is still hard to read... < 1083400748 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on which white? < 1083400761 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me, orange-on-argent < 1083400802 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easilly readable on my screen... anyway, i'll try to find a descent shade of orange < 1083400837 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be because my screen is over 1200 px wide or something... < 1083400922 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many inches? (is your monitor) < 1083400958 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seventeen < 1083400976 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small. < 1083400978 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lcd < 1083401036 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should increase the font size to 11 or 12... < 1083401056 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, wait, it's... P { font-family: arial,verdana; font-size: 12px; color: 000000; } < 1083401069 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 pixels? < 1083401092 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it says < 1083401093 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083401255 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083401280 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1083401282 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it have to be ook? :( < 1083401303 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ook is a dutch word, isn't it? < 1083401324 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just dutch-like < 1083401330 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament one language per week :) < 1083401427 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to bed then < 1083401436 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see yaz < 1083401437 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1083401443 0 :heatsink!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083401474 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't count Ook to be an esoteric language at all < 1083401474 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament allow me... < 1083401487 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's brainfuck with a few candy < 1083401535 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any language isomorphic with an already existing language is dumb < 1083401550 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless < 1083401551 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, brainfuck has better syntax. < 1083401562 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax, heh... < 1083401571 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck's syntax isn't obfuscated < 1083401573 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good < 1083401581 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax should never be obfuscated < 1083401594 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algorithms and primitives should be obfuscated :) < 1083401594 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, the obfuscation lies at a more important level < 1083401611 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in ook, only syntax is needlessly obfuscated relative to Brainfuck < 1083401779 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i go lie down and read the dis docs now. < 1083401788 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh what on earth forced me to download miktex... < 1083401818 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, dis < 1083401832 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt anybody ever looked at dis in detail < 1083401908 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1083402863 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if they did, they'd look like cowards. < 1083402884 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naaah < 1083403184 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cowards < 1083403188 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a coward < 1083403196 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mother is ashamed of you! < 1083403200 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say that in my face. < 1083403234 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's true, but only because i code. < 1083403778 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dis was for people who thing malbolge's to hard-core? < 1083403805 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. Dis is "Malbolge lite(tm)" < 1083403816 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and malbolge is malbolge proper. < 1083405240 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for his two typewriters
< 1083406069 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found the greek, didn't find the latin. of course, i was looking for the latin... < 1083409738 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1083414348 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :""Sleeping"" < 1083447278 0 :lament!~lament@S0106000d3a705704.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1083449584 0 :andreou!~peace@ppp5.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric