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RHDNC. 07:34:43 Do you drink tea? 07:34:55 yes, earl grey, lipton and a green chinese brand. 07:35:06 Teabags? 07:35:10 but rarely, only when i'm smoking 07:35:16 yeah, mostly. 07:35:17 Google gives one hit for rhdnc 07:35:17 Of course, scheme can be compiled to assembly, but it's already been done 07:35:26 I haven't had coffee in a long time either 07:35:34 heatsink: The compiler itself is Scheme too? 07:35:35 Earl Grey, Rooibos, and Jasmine 07:35:38 lament: yes 07:35:47 Are you going to publish it? 07:35:58 I can put it on the web if you'd like 07:36:15 lament "real hackers don't need coffee" heh 07:36:25 It's quite small 07:36:30 it's the first ever, isn't it 07:36:43 I believe so 07:36:44 andreou: yeah, they produce their own caffeine 07:37:06 * andreou is spreading new legends 07:37:17 heatsink: i think it's rather neat that it can be done at all :) 07:37:33 Well, thanks 07:37:34 Oh, and tea in teabags is the devil. It's even worse than instant coffee. 07:37:40 Have you played with unlambda much? 07:37:52 It's basically wood shavings, painted brown, with added artificial flavours. 07:38:04 lament i am a sinister creation, what can i say... 07:38:09 heatsink: no, not really 07:38:12 Why would anyone need to paint wood shavings brown? 07:38:20 Dark brown. 07:38:28 i don't like brownies. 07:38:40 The funny thing about unlambda is that it's more fun to write an implementation of unlambda than it is to write a program :) 07:38:46 hm let's give titles to the lurkers of this channel. 07:38:46 I don't think I ever wrote a single non-trivial program in unlambda 07:38:49 <-- resident surrealist 07:39:03 edwinb - mushroom guy 07:39:09 that's a classic :) 07:39:27 Taaus -- power to the people 07:40:04 clog -- talent misplaced 07:40:04 lament care to self-characterize? 07:40:16 hm 07:40:24 cmeme -- sinister meme infection device 07:40:32 s/infection/distribution/ 07:40:49 <-- in it for the girls 07:40:53 dbc -- cute-fishbone-fractal guy 07:40:56 lament hehe 07:41:05 no, dbc is just the fractal guy 07:41:06 the cute goes to the fishbone fractals, ok? :) 07:41:09 ok 07:41:11 Um... the majority of girls in this profession are computer-generated 07:41:20 fizzie -- beffungoid 07:41:34 heatsink: that's what makes them so appealing 07:41:36 heatsink suits me fine, 07:41:55 I suit you fine? aw, how sweet ^_^ 07:42:11 hm this channel does not have a homepage. 07:42:12 heatsink: he can't forget you feeling him earlier 07:42:12 yet. 07:42:16 well 07:42:20 i'll hack together one when i wake up :-) 07:42:21 this channel has a whole mailing list 07:42:33 lament no, the mailing list has this channel. eh, right? 07:42:41 well, right 07:42:56 A homepage with a wiki would be damn nice. 07:43:07 It could serve as a repository for esoteric stuff as well 07:43:09 wiki? hm, i'll see to it, although i've never administered a wiki before. 07:43:20 * andreou hates web-based communities 07:43:22 what with catseye dead 07:43:25 they should all be sent to dis 07:43:28 it's dead? 07:43:29 damn. 07:43:34 ok. 07:43:47 it's been dead for years 07:43:52 and there's that other place (tm) 07:43:57 anyone good with webdesign? i can provide the space and scripts, but i really can't put two and two bits together when it comes to gfx :) 07:44:13 which uses "stupid" instead of "esoteric" 07:44:17 i thought it was just forgotten (by me); i remember it going down for "just a while"... 07:44:19 and "brainfork" instead of "brainfuck" 07:44:20 ah yeah 07:44:29 ... i never saw it came back up... 07:44:31 * andreou claps 07:44:36 * andreou weeps 07:44:49 alas, it's gone 07:44:57 we shall move on. 07:45:12 the esoteric community isn't just small, it's horribly fractured. 07:45:16 Mostly into chunks of one person each 07:45:28 hm this fractal i have on the background... it's weird... it has angels, a huge demon-like pig trying to eat me, many horns and strange colors... 07:45:37 I saw this great mention of brainfuck in one of the class lecture notes 07:45:41 Are the angels trying to eat you? 07:45:56 heatsink a reference similar to the 'f - not funny' in that intercal paper? 07:46:04 lament no, they're going for the pig. 07:46:06 no 07:46:13 xm and some ghosts as well... 07:46:17 It was a parenthetical comment about the language 07:46:21 i liked the f-reference 07:46:27 heatsink what did it say? 07:46:46 In the kids' programming channels (#c, #python), esoteric languages do get mentioned from time to time 07:46:48 you guys find the worse times to unlurk... 07:46:49 mostly brainfuck 07:47:05 brainfuckoffkiddo 07:47:16 I think it was something like, the text listed programming languages (C, Scheme, Haskell, Brainfudge[1]) 07:47:21 And in the footnote it said 07:47:22 in on minute, my misery will be over. 07:47:38 [1] Don't use that language, kids! 07:47:41 andreou: don't do it! the world needs you! 07:47:42 no. 07:47:48 [1] Out of reach of children. 07:48:11 lament ay) i don't need the world; i need sleep bee) the only person in the world that needs me is heatsink and his fingers. 07:48:16 by the way, do we have any women in here? 07:48:36 cmeme. But she's already married to clog 07:48:51 i'm all for polyamorous relationships. 07:49:01 Well, brainfork is not actually known to be turing-complete; besides which brainfooey is not something any sane programmer would want to program in. For more info on brainfufu, look at the website (...). Of course, it's not actually called Brainflock, but we don't want to mention bad words and all that shit. 07:49:02 hm, and she's french, right? she'll have that cute fwench acc'ent... 07:49:14 But would hcf be? 07:49:27 matters not. 07:49:32 heatsink 'not turing complete'? 07:49:39 it's a freaking turing *machine* fgs. 07:49:54 Larry Wall mentioned Brainfuck in one of his lectures on parrot. 07:49:57 for FUFU's sake! 07:50:07 There was a long list of languages on the slide, and the last was "Brainfuck" 07:50:08 lament they have a bf interpreter in parrot, check parrotcode.org. 07:50:11 and he was reading the list alound 07:50:14 aloud 07:50:22 and when he got to the end he said 07:50:24 "we're famous, we're famous!" 07:50:35 oh, and brain, eh, fork. 07:50:45 "And I can't quite make out that last one... And even if I could, i wouldn't say it. Because there're kids present, and I wouldn't want to fuck with their brains" 07:50:59 Larry Wall might be evil, but he's great :) 07:51:10 HAHAHAHA 07:51:19 evil people are nice. 07:51:21 (: 07:51:38 :) (:never forget to close a comment, kiddo!:) 07:51:54 hm, is there a smiley programming language? 07:52:04 (that would be my addition to pascal, (: ... :)-style comments) 07:52:20 Just what Pascal needs. ANOTHER type of comments. 07:52:23 lament with just :) or with :-) :-* #8-)# etc? 07:52:31 andreou: I guess the latter 07:52:36 You make pascal a happier language 07:52:39 lament three is the charm or however they say that in american. 07:52:54 heatsink: pascal is already ecstatic 07:53:00 heatsink yeah, and pascal programmers really *need* as many smiley faces in their lives as they can have 07:53:34 ok, there goes nothing. 07:53:37 i'm off to sleep. 07:53:38 -!- andreou has quit ("a."). 07:53:59 right-o 07:54:27 I still need to work on that esolang that's made entirely of nested parentheses, brackets, and braces sometime 07:54:30 -!- andreou has joined. 07:54:33 hahaha gotcha! 07:54:35 -!- andreou has quit (Client Quit). 07:55:02 heatsink: isn't there one already? 07:55:09 Oh... darn 07:55:33 i think it was called [] 07:55:46 What, they didn't want search engines linking it? 07:55:55 and invented to be used at the subjects of esolang postings 07:56:00 s/at/in 07:56:41 well 07:56:54 if people can name their language "C" and get away with it, why not "[]"? 07:57:59 sure 07:58:13 I don't think there's an esolang that has a non-ascii name still 07:59:09 hmmmmmmmmmmmm 07:59:19 Well, I liked my other idea better anyway 07:59:20 i can think of a few good non-ascii names 07:59:33 Can you tell me? 07:59:38 'lambda' is a good one 07:59:46 and so is 'wu' (the chinese character) 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:00:05 what does wu mean? 08:00:18 it's more commonly known by its japanese pronunciation, mu 08:00:52 ok 08:01:15 'pi' - perhaps for a language with a transcendental data type? 08:01:41 a C7 chord would be a nice name for a language 08:02:29 What's a C7 chord? 08:02:47 well, a chord based on C and consisting of C, E, G and Bb 08:02:55 but really, any chord based on C would be fun 08:03:01 "Screw C#! That's just one note!" 08:03:07 heh 08:03:27 good name for a threads-only language 08:06:22 Hmm, C - Bb isn't harmonic 08:06:44 I'm looking at the ones almost an octave apart 08:07:07 "harmonic"? 08:07:14 what do you mean by that? 08:07:47 A cute name for a language would be the symbol of the Zodiac sign that happens to be in effect at the time the language is talked about 08:08:15 by harmonic I mean the ratio of the notes is very close to a rational fraction with small integer numerator and denominator 08:08:46 Nah, that language would be a pain because people would always be getting its name wrong 08:08:47 well 08:09:03 You go through all the trouble of scripting your website to always display the correct name 08:09:17 And then people make static copies of it and leave it around for months 08:09:23 first of all, with modern tunic the ratio of notes a third apart is nothing at all like a nice rational fraction 08:09:28 s/tunic/tuning :) 08:09:41 Yes, that's why I say close to and not exactly 08:09:45 And nobody seems to mind very much 08:10:14 For example, a third is very close to 5/4 08:10:15 Second, while the ratio of C to Bb might not be nice, Bb is a very close overtone of C anyway 08:10:29 er, it's not 08:10:32 nevermind 08:10:53 I'm getting 5.0396/4 08:10:54 Finally though, nobody really cares if it's close or not 08:11:13 what matters is how it sounds. 08:11:22 It sounds discordant if they aren't harmonic 08:11:27 No, that's wrong. 08:11:41 Do minor chords sound discordant? 08:11:51 Diminished chords do 08:12:04 What about minor ones? Is a minor third harmonic? 08:12:13 Music's brain effects are rather interesting; the brain tends to interpret chords and sequences of notes as a single sound 08:12:15 let me see 08:12:40 Yes, that's annoying 08:12:40 It looks like a minor third has a ratio of 5.946/5 08:12:46 But when you're high on weed, that doesn't happen :) 08:12:57 or at least doesn't happen as often 08:13:09 This is why everybody should smoke weed when listening to music. 08:13:29 But then music would no longer aid in studying 08:13:36 And they would ban music at universities 08:13:47 I couldn't handle that 08:14:12 wow, you're right. A minor third is ideally 6:5 08:14:24 anyway 08:15:06 yes? 08:15:25 whether an interval sounds nice depends mostly on the speaker 08:15:33 on the culture of the speaker 08:15:43 Not the listener? 08:15:49 sorry. The listener. :) 08:15:57 (::) 08:16:08 It's true that intervals based on simple ratios sound "more euphonic" by nature. 08:16:39 In the middle ages, there were exactly two really euphonic intervals. 08:16:44 The fifth and the octave. 08:16:52 Even the major third was considered dissonant. 08:17:18 To accept the major third as consonant was a major breakthrough 08:17:32 that happened in the renaissance 08:17:57 Interesting 08:18:15 Now, thanks to things like jazz and modern classical, pretty much anything is consonant, when given proper context 08:18:54 7th chords were good enough for Bach, although he wouldn't end a piece on one. 08:19:18 Anything can be part of a piece, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it consonance 08:19:50 I would say that there is less emphasis on consonance in contemporary music than in classical european music 08:20:06 Does all jazz sound dissonant to you? 08:20:11 No 08:20:40 See. 08:21:08 Pretty much all of jazz uses 7th chords (at the very least), whether major or minor 08:21:16 from C to Bb, by the way, is 16:9 08:21:54 oh, okay 08:22:21 I made a mistake -- I was doing C to B 08:22:34 and that's 15:8, apparently 08:22:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant_seventh 08:22:53 Although I would have missed C to Bb because I was using 60 as the denominator 08:24:16 Hmm, the dom 7th is closer to 17:9, but I'm sure the shared harmonics aren't audible in that case 08:24:29 what 08:24:39 it shouldn't be closer to 17:9 08:24:55 it should be 16:9 because that's what wikipedia says... 08:24:55 C and B are 11 half-notes apart, right? 08:25:18 C and B isn't a dominant seventh. And that's 15:8 08:25:30 C and Bb is a dominant seventh. 08:25:36 oh 08:26:04 it would be a dominant to F-major 08:26:15 and Bb is a note in the F major scale 08:26:27 unlike the C major scale, where it stands out 08:27:38 wow, this is really weird: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone 08:28:09 Oh, I see 08:28:14 interesting 08:30:16 The picture is a big help to understanding that, I didn't know how it worked before 08:30:27 I've heard it mentioned 08:30:42 This is a nice bit of music: "Glass Onion" at http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/listenmp3.html 08:30:48 It's in 22 tet 08:31:27 Not Found 08:31:43 hmm 08:33:36 can't find an alternate source 08:34:23 holy shit 08:34:38 this shepard tone demonstration is scaring me 08:34:50 you can hear it? 08:34:58 http://www.noah.org/science/audio_paradox/endless.mp3 08:35:19 listen to it once, then again 08:37:11 cool 08:37:20 It doesn't quite work for me though 08:37:26 May be because these speakers suck 08:37:51 this might depend on the person 08:37:57 the other examples did'nt work for me at all 10:25:39 -!- clog has joined. 10:25:39 -!- clog has joined. 12:35:25 -!- dbc1 has joined. 12:35:29 -!- dbc has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 13:02:23 -!- dbc1 has quit ("you have no chance to survive make your time."). 13:22:46 -!- mooz- has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:23:01 -!- mooz- has joined. 13:23:50 -!- mooz- has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:24:32 -!- mooz- has joined. 13:28:55 -!- mooz- has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:29:16 -!- mooz- has joined. 18:10:35 -!- andreou has joined. 18:27:01 hm... 18:27:35 given the nature of the website, the mental stability of its creator and the overhead of php/*sql installation in openbsd, i will write the software in some obscure language/db combo. 20:30:59 -!- andreou has quit ("cc."). 21:18:11 -!- andreou has joined. 21:25:31 -!- toreun-away has changed nick to toreun. 21:26:01 hi there 21:26:23 hey 21:27:46 yay for internet cafes that also serve fudge 21:28:05 what is fudge? fud about gigabit ethernet? 21:28:18 un-yay for the noisy people that have decided to have a party just under my window. 21:28:49 not quite, but that sounds even more better 21:29:00 madness: 21:29:00 checking if building in the top-level or dist directories... yes 21:29:00 configure: error: Berkeley DB should not be built in the top-level or dist directories. 21:31:43 iirc gcc wants to be built in a separate directory from the sources too. 21:32:06 ah, should not 21:32:11 i read "should be" 21:32:36 cd docs && ../dist/configure worked 21:32:39 i'm not well :-) 21:33:21 can anyone comment on the performance of c/gdbm apps? 21:34:59 oh, btw, andreou, you are interested in making an #esoteric webpage? 21:35:12 yeah 21:35:29 and lament told me that cat's eye is definately down, so i'll try to make it a bit more generic 21:35:42 yeah... been down for quite awhile 21:35:54 happen to know why? 21:35:55 heh i was "out" for quite a while as well :-) 21:36:03 bah, dunno... 21:37:39 thank eris for oswd.org; now i can steal designs and have a clear consciousness 21:38:46 I like making my own desigsn 21:38:59 I'm not very good at it, but I like doing it all the same 21:39:29 i hate web-designing; i can't hack together something more than a minimalistic spit 21:39:38 (like my homepage, for example :-) ) 21:40:27 my html is always just the logical structure of the document with and

tags, no fancy things like "layout" or stuff. 21:40:55 my site's current under-construction design is, IMO, not that bad - it just isn't compatible with browsers that aren't completely standard 21:41:13 well, I split up layout and design, so my html is like that too 21:41:16 that's exactly what i'm talking about... and it's not good enough for an esolang site 21:41:19 hm, or is it... :) 21:41:32 I get the feeling mplayer _has_ to cheat somehow, there's no way it can do all the things I tell it to. 21:42:02 I'm decompressing a 768x576-sized 25fps mpeg2 file (recorded some pal-rated tv), running a horizontal deblocking, vertical deblocking, deringing, linear-blend-deinterlacing and temporal noise reduction filters on the image, then bicubic-resampling the image to 640x480 and compressing it to a 1000kbps mpeg4, while simultaneously mp3-encoding the pcm audio in the video. 21:42:20 and then it says it can do this for 22 frames in a second. 21:43:00 * andreou is sorry for fizzie 21:43:33 the analog tv picture quality here is quite horrible though. 21:48:07 ok time to put together some code and create a sucky engine. 21:48:09 -!- andreou has quit ("s.").