< 1062635617 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@24.67.104.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1062635851 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :SKI combinators in Maple! Woo! "s:=a->b->c->a(c)(b(c)); k:=x->y->x; i:=x->x;" < 1062636943 0 :lament!~lament@h24-85-63-178.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1062639319 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heya lament. < 1062639325 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1062639360 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's the hand-drum fugue coming along? < 1062639364 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to a CS course today! < 1062639367 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the first time in my life! < 1062639385 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe... Congrats. < 1062639387 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. er... i have the first two and a half measures < 1062639433 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an idea for one of the episodes. < 1062639436 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1062639442 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The episodes will likely be improvised. < 1062639461 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. Or something. < 1062639465 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1062639490 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not my fault! < 1062639498 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liar! < 1062639503 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i have another measure too < 1062639957 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case! < 1062639965 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, < 1062640005 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? < 1062640044 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he was going to say something
< 1062640063 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure looked that way... But what do I know... Or care. < 1062640087 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back to doing painful things with Maple
< 1062640268 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you doing painful things with maple? < 1062640295 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because... Umm... Damn. I knew someone was going to ask me that. < 1062640330 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because my CS classes are so insanely easy I've decided to spice it up a bit... Like using Church numerals, etc. < 1062640604 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will your cs professor be able to understand it?\ < 1062640618 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it :( < 1062640635 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as long as it works.... < 1062640647 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1062640974 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to record the first prelude
< 1062641292 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gave up already
< 1062641560 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why have you abandoned your attempt already? < 1062641605 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verbed: have you ever tried to record stuff? < 1062641758 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've worked on a few pieces, all completely synthesized. I imagine the transition from analog to digital difficult, just curious of the details. < 1062641787 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, you enter the notes and computer plays them? < 1062641794 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you play stuff on the synthesizer? < 1062641850 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a MIDI sequencer and had my SBLive synthesize the instruments using SoundFonts ( Samples ). < 1062641858 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :midi! < 1062641862 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for the piece I completed.. < 1062641863 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not quite the same. < 1062641870 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with recording stuff < 1062641881 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that you always get something wrong! < 1062641890 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're a genius. < 1062641898 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus probably doesn't get anything wrong. < 1062641911 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when you do get it wrong, you get to start over! < 1062641919 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So recording stuff is like Nethack. < 1062641938 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If wouldn't mind a less 'authentic' sound, you might sample different individual notes. < 1062641942 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serious multi-track recording is Hell. < 1062641951 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which could be sequenced with CSound for example. < 1062641954 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would mind it very much < 1062641993 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :music is meant to be created and played by people :) < 1062642072 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, the whole point is to record myself < 1062642077 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A difference, to play a piece or to _sculpt_ a piece. < 1062642086 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know my computer can play the first prelude :) < 1062642109 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sculpt! < 1062642114 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sculpt!! < 1062642114 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like composing? :) < 1062642298 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many perspectives on the many aspects of music. < 1062642347 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Western' musics and harmony, 'Eastern' and melody. < 1062642367 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The focus on Rhythm in African musics. < 1062642415 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jazz and its basis on _performance_. < 1062642421 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the focus on timbre in modern classical. blah blah < 1062642423 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pseudomusic of John Cage. < 1062642468 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand modern classical! I'm too dumb for it. < 1062642481 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what modern classical is :P < 1062642484 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I understand jazz. < 1062642494 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, timbre can go fuck itself! < 1062642507 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As can synthesized music. < 1062642561 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verbed: nasty digital stuff without melody, harmony or rhythm. < 1062642644 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The perspective of texture and timbre in music is not reliant on the synthesizer, digital or analog. < 1062642751 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tom Waits has an instrument, a dumpster which is bowed on its cables. < 1062642788 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a guitar. It sounds like a dumpster with cables. < 1062643313 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Music is a specification of form, its meaning is completely malleable. John Cage's 4'33 is a profound example; when made conscious of a context, even complete silence is music. < 1062644022 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very shitty music, certainly. < 1062644424 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To some minds... ears. < 1062645135 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. To most, hopefully. :) < 1062645144 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appreciation of music is not all subjective. < 1062645452 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that I can understand your statement unless we agree on what 'subjective' means. < 1062645540 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's certain music that just sucks regardless of what individual people might think of it. < 1062645583 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean that sincerely? < 1062645624 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1062645637 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean that insincerely? < 1062645642 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1062645658 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean 'No' sincerely? < 1062645688 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1062645702 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about the Yes's? < 1062645742 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1062645747 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All three of them? < 1062645758 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1062645762 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even that one? < 1062645767 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1062645808 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last one doesn't seem very sincere. < 1062645822 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I have a cold. < 1062645834 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you do. < 1062645841 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sincerely. < 1062645854 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1062645868 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously < 1062645882 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some music is just not meant for homo sapiens < 1062645935 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can 'music' exist independent of human thought? < 1062645982 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five pounds of flax. < 1062645990 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the seeds? < 1062646083 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1062646358 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i'm right < 1062646376 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would need to inspect the flax in order to determine that. < 1062646404 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't trust me? < 1062646488 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust the flax. < 1062646537 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think music is an individual thing < 1062646540 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a species thing < 1062646555 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1062646582 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many terms that need to be agreed upon. < 1062646590 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok! < 1062646596 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does good music sound pleasant? < 1062646619 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this 'goodness' anyways? < 1062646621 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an individual thing < 1062646627 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pleasantness) < 1062646639 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not talking about goodness! < 1062646656 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about suckiness :) < 1062646704 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should it be meaningful whether a music is sucky or not? < 1062646710 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1062646741 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean yes. < 1062646771 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sake. < 1062646808 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sake? < 1062646810 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sake musehicks. < 1062646821 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!? < 1062646831 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prevalent in Japanese culture. < 1062646969 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Music can be almost objectively evaluated on two levels < 1062646987 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in full context of the time period, and in itself < 1062647039 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In itself, 4:33 is not music. < 1062647050 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sake musehicks stemuleits the creatif braincentermind. < 1062647080 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in context, it's a smartass attempt at being weird. < 1062647096 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i'm being completely objective! < 1062662399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1062662400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1062668091 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1062694012 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1062694034 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@24.67.104.54 JOIN :#esoteric