1059697766 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c u in a week or so < 1059697768 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059698255 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the rewriting language where rules could be rewritten? < 1059698295 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... Can you be more specific? < 1059698310 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know any languages like that? :) < 1059698330 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same basic idea as thue < 1059698338 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it... 2d? < 1059698347 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so. < 1059698408 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was kinda weird and complicated, though. < 1059698423 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I think Chris Pressey did a 2d rewriting language... < 1059698432 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, catseye seems to be down at the moment. < 1059698626 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember not liking that language, though < 1059698631 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike thue) < 1059698655 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't as nifty. < 1059698691 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1059698700 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the _idea_ of rules rewriting rules is nifty. < 1059698701 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stumbled across a 3d version of a Thue-ish language... A Japanese program... Someone had implemented space invaders in it :) < 1059698710 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa. < 1059698764 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also found a paper that mentioned a 2d version. I would have preferred that one, but it wasn't available anywhere. < 1059698829 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you design a rule-rewriting Thueoid? :) < 1059698885 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to design one. < 1059698893 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 2d thue would'nt be hard to do < 1059698909 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume substitutions preserve the size? < 1059698924 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. They did in the Japanese program. < 1059698934 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that spoils some of the fun < 1059698941 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm not sure how it would do IO < 1059698962 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall there being more than just the analog of the Thue ::= mapping. < 1059698974 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that sucks :) < 1059699002 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it may have had AND gates, or some similar concept... Rewritings that depended on more than one pattern being present. < 1059699010 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1059699024 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah. < 1059699040 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just my hazy recollection, though. < 1059699067 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A self-modifying thue without the 2d evilness would be neat, though < 1059699260 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it! < 1059699262 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visulan. < 1059699267 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.yuasa.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ylab/yamakaku/Dms96/dms96.html < 1059699346 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cute :) < 1059699386 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wanders off to watch The West Wing. < 1059699406 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wow < 1059699408 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very cute. < 1059699411 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not really thue < 1059699413 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish < 1059699441 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess it is < 1059699449 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, ew windows :) < 1059699634 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh err < 1059699642 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1059699656 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d thue is too much like cellular automata. < 1059699666 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore not very exciting! < 1059700542 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059712043 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1059712096 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the Thue example programs were a mess. Increment should be something like: < 1059712096 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0_::=1 < 1059712096 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1_::=_0 < 1059712096 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__::=_1 < 1059712096 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::= < 1059712123 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decrement should be something like: < 1059712124 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0_::=_1 < 1059712124 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1_::=0 < 1059712124 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_0::=_ < 1059712124 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::= < 1059715252 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You have no chance to survive make your time." < 1059724799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059724800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059759898 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1059759962 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: neat < 1059760097 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a visual thue interpreter at home. < 1059760106 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It highlights the substitutions. < 1059760127 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have internet, so I can't show it to anyone! You'll just have to trust me! Mwahaha. < 1059764370 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, how do you write quines < 1059769956 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059775597 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1059776514 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wee < 1059776520 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing a thue interpreter in Javascript < 1059776536 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1059776560 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be visual < 1059776617 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, joy. < 1059776874 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not very visual < 1059776897 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, not so much joy, then. < 1059777162 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1059777171 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joy sucks anyway < 1059777184 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth is neater < 1059777217 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha.. < 1059777505 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm serious! < 1059777508 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really < 1059783002 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowee < 1059783003 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1059783012 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just need to prettify it a bit now < 1059783586 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so it doesn't _really_ work < 1059784978 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I _almost_ believed you... :x < 1059785256 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it appears to work < 1059785265 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i set fixed-width font in html? < 1059785417 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
? < 1059785442 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's a bit different < 1059785446 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1059785602 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ? < 1059785668 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither works with:( < 1059786447 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, fixed font is not enough anyway. Looks like i needafter all. < 1059786626 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gr. < 1059786678 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take your word for it. < 1059787409 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059811199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059811200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059897599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059897600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059955966 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059955966 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1059955966 0 :orwell.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+n < 1059955967 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+n < 1059955967 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o clog < 1059956232 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1059983999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059984000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1060048306 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060048326 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060070399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1060070400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1060073306 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060073485 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060074741 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060074769 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060086970 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060087074 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060116719 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060116826 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heya lament. How goes the Thue interpreter? < 1060116876 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1060116879 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just uploaded it < 1060116881 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cyberspace.org/~lament/thue.html < 1060116902 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://cyberspace.org/~lament/thue.html - Instructions on the bottom of the can < 1060116963 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit ugly control-wise < 1060116975 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular the "animate" button doesn't work :) < 1060116991 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I noticed ;) < 1060116991 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION removes the button < 1060117091 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text on the buttons doesn't correspond to their function at all! < 1060117100 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just leave the buttons blank to avoid confusion. < 1060117146 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea. < 1060117767 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION posts to esolang < 1060117799 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I will finally get the worship I deserve. < 1060118440 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that arbitrary html code is allowed < 1060123263 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060123323 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060126496 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060126496 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060126559 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060126559 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060126795 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060126795 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060126840 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060126840 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060127069 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while clog was away, somebody came and told us the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything, but this sentence is too small to contain it) < 1060127415 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, clog doesn't notify of its own splits < 1060127440 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to highly useful logs like http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/03.08.02 < 1060127507 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although perhaps that particular log doesn't have anything to do with clog :( < 1060129107 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Day changed to 03 Aug 2003 < 1060129107 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Day changed to 04 Aug 2003 < 1060129111 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bugger all happened that day. < 1060132577 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060132577 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060132735 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060132735 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060133127 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060156799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1060156800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1060159633 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060159979 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060161126 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060161375 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060193896 0 :`antilove!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060193981 0 :`antilove!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is thue ?! < 1060194989 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060195031 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 90 cellular automaton is scary < 1060195150 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reverses stuff < 1060195173 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I can't find anything about this property on the net < 1060195280 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1060195293 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfram doesn't seem to mention it < 1060195724 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060195857 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060196035 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: do you know anything about that property? < 1060196791 0 :`antilove!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament! < 1060196800 0 :`antilove!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is thue ? < 1060196811 0 :`antilove!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new brainfuck ? < 1060197112 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue is thue < 1060197122 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a thue page on catseye < 1060197130 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, there is no catseye anymoer! < 1060197635 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kind of sucks. < 1060197643 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but THIS is fucked up < 1060197680 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| ## ## ### #| < 1060197680 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|### ##### ## # | < 1060197680 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|# # # # #### #| < 1060197681 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| # # # # | < 1060197681 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| # ## ## # | < 1060197682 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| # # ### ## #| < 1060197685 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| # # # #### | < 1060197687 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| # # # # ##| < 1060197690 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|# ## # # ####| < 1060197692 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| # ### ## # #| < 1060197695 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|# # ####### ## | < 1060197697 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| ## # # ###| < 1060197700 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|##### # # # #| < 1060197702 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|# # # # ## | < 1060197705 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| # # ## ### | < 1060197743 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|# ### ## ## | < 1060197755 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rule 90 automaton, random initial state) < 1060197765 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look closely at the first and the last step. < 1060198795 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060199963 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060201541 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060201541 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060201542 0 :`antilove!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060201572 0 :`antilove!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060201650 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060201670 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060207852 0 :`antilove!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"`antilove has no reason" < 1060207905 0 :asdsa!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060209098 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060213623 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060219124 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060243199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1060243200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1060278348 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060282085 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: what exactly is an 'invention'? < 1060287171 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, do you know what a fugue is? < 1060287520 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1060287618 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, well, an invention is similar to a fugue, except that the Comes theme is in the same key as the Dux theme... Does that make any sense? :) < 1060291027 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. What a stupid distinction. < 1060291068 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1060291711 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two-part invention #13 starts with two voices. < 1060291720 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're into hair-splitting, that doesn't look at all like a fugue to me. < 1060291766 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm... Maybe that's because it's an invention? < 1060291856 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if, like you said, the only difference is that the second theme is in the same key, then it's not an invention, either < 1060291915 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.. So you're claiming that none of Bach's fugues start with two voices? < 1060292028 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not claiming that. < 1060292040 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm claiming that they shouldn't. < 1060292078 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't fugues absolutely have to begin with one voice? < 1060292111 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. The vast majority does, though. < 1060292335 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes _all_ fugues have the second theme in the dominant? < 1060292346 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound right :) < 1060292360 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right... The 'Yes' sounds out of place in that sentence. < 1060292538 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Yes/Yet < 1060292545 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it _still_ doesn't sound right :) < 1060292594 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure all fugues have the comes theme initially appearing in the dominant. < 1060292776 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, there would be no way of distinguishing fugues and inventions ;) < 1060292789 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As an example, that is) < 1060292801 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so (about the dominant) < 1060292816 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides _not_ to mention the Sinphonias. < 1060292816 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~tas3/fugueanatomy.html < 1060292906 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimme examples, not webpages :) < 1060292950 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1060292964 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just assume that guy knows what he's talking about < 1060292968 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because he agrees with me < 1060292982 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because his animated WTC is awesome < 1060292991 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phew* That means I won't have to change my view of you... :X < 1060293008 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it _is_ awesome. < 1060293033 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know anything about cellular automaton 90? < 1060293056 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope... Do you reckon there may be something about it in NKS? < 1060293070 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1060293084 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll go check. < 1060293092 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, rule 90 has an extremely awesome property of reversing the state < 1060293096 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see yesterday's log) < 1060293111 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't find anything about this on Wolfram's site. < 1060293114 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anywhere else. < 1060293116 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed it :) < 1060293119 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cool. < 1060293170 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Wolfram never found it becasue he's dealing with 'real' automata with unbounded states < 1060293178 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh... NLS... Painfully... Heavy... < 1060293180 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NKS < 1060293183 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1060293187 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it at least good? < 1060293197 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know about it is from the /. review. < 1060293198 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. He's quite full of himself. < 1060293237 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol... Rule 90 has tons of references in the index. < 1060293255 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont under what going on under this channel < 1060293264 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand what going on under this channel < 1060293266 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's why i like it < 1060293269 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=) < 1060293510 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: page 260, i guess < 1060293628 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... < 1060293671 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. The most interesting CA are 30,60,90,110,150. < 1060293693 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all divisible by ten, all but one divisible by 30 < 1060294043 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find anything about Rule 90 producing reversed patterns... < 1060294105 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even on page 260! < 1060294117 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially not on page 260. < 1060294150 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... It just dawned on me that I have the New Grove Dictionary of Music... Maybe I should look up fugue and invention there :) < 1060294876 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fugue, n: see Invention < 1060294905 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1060295017 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody on the esolang can't find anything about Thue. < 1060295074 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed. I wonder what's happened to Catseye. < 1060295121 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid catseye. < 1060295278 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION posts on comp.theory.cell-automata about rule 90 < 1060305881 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060312741 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060312741 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060312797 0 :asdsa!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060312811 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060329599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1060329600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1060338532 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1060350320 0 :asdsa!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060368596 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 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:clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060637159 0 :clog_!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1060637164 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060637164 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060637168 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060637181 0 :clog_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :clog < 1060637271 0 :asdsa_!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060642405 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060643327 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060643328 0 :asdsa_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060643348 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060643348 0 :asdsa_!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060651427 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060675199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1060675200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1060706678 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060706802 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060711294 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060714283 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading cryptonomicon! < 1060714290 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the main characters plays Bach. < 1060714295 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go go go! < 1060714372 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ordered a bunch of Scheme books a couple of days ago. Little Schemer, Seasoned Schemer and SICP. < 1060714382 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go go go! < 1060714476 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you read them? < 1060714486 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most likely. < 1060714500 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will I understand them? Buggered if I know... < 1060714531 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to buy SICP to find out whether you can understand it. < 1060714549 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1060714558 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an exact copy on the internet. < 1060714582 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1060714589 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is 1 an exact copy of 1?) < 1060714613 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I really don't like reading books on my computer. I prefer dead-tree versions :) < 1060714619 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is only one one. < 1060714630 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there're two just in that sentence alone. < 1060714662 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too true. < 1060714680 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I wrote a haiku: < 1060714684 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- < 1060714689 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five syllables. < 1060714692 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seven syllables. < 1060714696 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five syllables. < 1060714698 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three lines. < 1060714699 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- < 1060714721 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehm. < 1060714728 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what! < 1060714735 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sticking with the regular haiku-form, then? < 1060714741 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am. < 1060714746 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first line has five syllables. < 1060714754 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second has seven, the third again five. < 1060714761 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the poem has three lines. < 1060714784 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh? Pray tell how does Seven give you two more syllables than Five? < 1060714797 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't. < 1060714803 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the second line does have seven syllables. < 1060714813 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it _is_ seven syllables. < 1060714820 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... It has "Seven syllables"... It doesn't have seven syllables. < 1060714820 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a capital S. < 1060714827 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reason we use quotes... < 1060714840 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1060714846 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you haven't read GEB? :P < 1060714855 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to unquote them, then. < 1060714861 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,Five syllables < 1060714864 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc :) < 1060714878 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1060714890 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I haven't read GEB. < 1060714902 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started reading it. < 1060714913 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I stopped. < 1060714925 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start again, heathen. < 1060714930 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like it. < 1060714952 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like it a lot had I read it a year ago. < 1060714961 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It grows on you. Like fungus. < 1060715274 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1060715278 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's black and white. < 1060715425 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungus can be black and white. < 1060715510 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the kind that grows on me. < 1060715527 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay. < 1060715558 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slowly moving into hardware esotericity. < 1060715595 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real hardware? < 1060715599 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1060715609 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat. < 1060715626 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware scares me. < 1060715634 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too. < 1060715642 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing with it requires so much stuff i have 0 experience with. < 1060715650 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like soldering iron! < 1060715669 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hammering nails. < 1060715671 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soldering irons aren't that bad... You quickly figure out what _not_ to do. < 1060715734 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a SKI processor. < 1060715760 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Interesting idea. < 1060715785 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on doing something along the lines of a mixture (read: bastard child) of Forth and Scheme. < 1060715795 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something i heard of. < 1060715807 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably been done before, yeah. < 1060715831 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in hardware. < 1060715836 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hh.se/stud/d99tibr/chatboard.jpg <--- First I'll try to get one of these working with my GP32, though :) < 1060716599 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On one hand, hardware is certainly cool. < 1060716659 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other, why bother, when everything can be done in software with much less trouble and a greater potential user/worshipper base? < 1060716751 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.. That Chatboard mod has a useful application... The GP32 only has an 8-way directional pad and six buttons.. It's hell to use a text editor on it. < 1060716807 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say... pyn is back now... Why are you on the freenode channel? ;) < 1060716845 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it is? < 1060716849 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't notice it. < 1060716854 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. exarkun is back too :) < 1060716888 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wanders off to eat dinner. < 1060719570 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returns < 1060720993 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060724039 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060732072 0 :asdsa_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060732078 0 :asdsa_!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060734009 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1060735540 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060737905 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060741930 0 :asdsa_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060741930 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060742054 0 :asdsa_!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060742054 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060761599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1060761600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1060790557 0 :gilbertdeb!gilbert@fl-nken-u2-c3b-118.miamfl.adelphia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060795271 0 :asdsa_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060795271 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060795311 0 :asdsa_!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060795311 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060795320 0 :gilbertdeb!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1060797440 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060804484 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :48d6215903dff56238e52e8891380c8f < 1060804492 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This string is an md5 of itself < 1060804583 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry that doesn't work :( < 1060808644 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060810332 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060823758 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060837616 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060837628 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060845735 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060845741 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060847024 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060847048 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060847999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1060848000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1060848252 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060848277 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060861000 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060861006 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060863560 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060863584 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060867927 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060867939 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060874944 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060874948 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060883705 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060896205 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1060896327 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060900082 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo < 1060900094 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaahaat? < 1060900097 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i proved the [l.count(x) == l[x] for x in range(len(l))] thing < 1060900118 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately this channel is too small for me to write it down. < 1060900138 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riight. < 1060900461 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I proved that there's only one solution for len(l) > 7 < 1060900475 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for every len) < 1060900494 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For every function? < 1060900508 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. < 1060900519 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1060900520 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's wild, man.. I'd expect it to be for every len(l). < 1060900527 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1060900534 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1060900551 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for every N. < 1060900577 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for every N there's only one l such as that len(l) == N and [l.count(x) == l[x] for x in range(N)] < 1060900583 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where N > 6. < 1060900719 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THIS is why i haven't written down the proof) < 1060900750 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you find it difficult to express yourself in precise terms? :P < 1060900760 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1060900778 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1060900781 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math just isn't woozy enough. < 1060901001 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor fuzzy! < 1060901010 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematicians can only think inside the box! < 1060910027 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060911854 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060911854 0 :asdsa_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060911999 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060911999 0 :asdsa_!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060912000 0 :asdsa_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060912001 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060912004 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060912005 0 :asdsa_!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060915908 0 :asdsa_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060915908 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060915931 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060915931 0 :asdsa_!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060922953 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060922956 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060934399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1060934400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1060953449 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060953501 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060970512 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060976385 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060976391 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060976562 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1060976567 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1060982453 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060982978 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lameAFK < 1060984093 0 :lameAFK!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1060986693 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1060986769 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060988507 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060989080 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060996200 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060996612 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060997181 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1061001678 0 :lament!~lament@24.85.63.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1061003402 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1061003960 0 :lament_!~lament@24.85.63.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1061004028 0 :lament_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1061020799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1061020800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1061030253 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1061060320 0 :lament!~lament@24.85.63.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1061061958 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1061065285 0 :lament!~lament@24.85.63.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1061065466 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid bach! i hate him. < 1061065642 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1061065679 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1061065686 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's absolutely _impossible_ to play on the guitar. < 1061065707 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... That really depends on which piece you're trying to play. < 1061065724 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard some Bach pieces performed semi-successfully on the guitar ;) < 1061065741 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1061065750 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think the first prelude of the WTC would be easy. < 1061065768 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is! < 1061065776 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first eight measures. < 1061065782 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the guitar simply runs out of range. < 1061065795 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't. It's not. Not even on the piano... It's hell getting it to sound just right :) < 1061065805 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... Transpose it, then ;) < 1061065828 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it won't sound 'just right' whatever i do afterwards :) < 1061065840 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's not easy. < 1061065845 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Gould manages to get it horribly wrong ;) < 1061065850 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah! Now I'm receiving spam advertising tools to use during a blackout. < 1061065919 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A crowbar, a smoke grenade and a face mask? < 1061065936 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah... A flashlight of some sort. < 1061065946 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah. < 1061065960 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very profitable. < 1061065998 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1061066240 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, i won't run out of range on the Chaconne... < 1061066260 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd run out of lots of other things, though :) < 1061066272 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. < 1061066834 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I hate the guitar anyway :( < 1061066859 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... Play something else, then... Say, the violin :) < 1061066901 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_no_. < 1061066918 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played the violin in the music school. < 1061066921 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _hate_ the thing. < 1061066953 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1061066961 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugly, wretched, horrible, loathsome. < 1061066971 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl programmers play it. < 1061066993 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indubitably. And Python programmers as well. < 1061067007 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At best, it sounds like a chainsaw being lowered into a toilet. < 1061067048 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At worst, like a thousand monkeys freezing to death mid-scream < 1061067053 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(image copyright john clute) < 1061067093 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmkay. < 1061067267 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you see, it's capable of expressing a very wide range of feelings :) < 1061067320 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1061067486 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, john clute rocks. < 1061078853 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@24.67.104.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1061079266 0 :asdsa_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061079279 0 :asdsa_!antilove@zolo.freelsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061080840 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Verbed. < 1061080906 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1061082153 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verbed: you're in many channels. < 1061082385 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect I would miss many interesting conversations if I weren't. < 1061088145 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client exiting" < 1061100129 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1061103700 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061107199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1061107200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1061151661 0 :lament!~lament@24.85.63.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1061155475 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1061155478 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jsbach.net/images/warp.html < 1061155645 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great... I made Bach look like Walter Matthau. < 1061155680 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen an applet that did that to Bill Gates < 1061155699 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was on an anti-microsoft site, not a gates fansite < 1061155742 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this just goes to show that jsbach.org is anti-bach! < 1061155797 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow: http://www.jsbach.net/images/Jordan6StringViolin.html < 1061155801 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_that's_ esoteric. < 1061156007 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh. Electric violins. < 1061156018 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six stringed electric violins. < 1061156032 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1061156062 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how is it played. < 1061156072 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a regular violin. < 1061156080 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1061156085 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1061156090 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have a bow. < 1061156104 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duuuh, then you provide the bow yourself. < 1061156107 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't play with a bow on six strings. < 1061156113 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure you can. < 1061156115 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The board is flat anyway. < 1061156134 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't. It curves slightly. < 1061156143 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not enough. < 1061156150 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was enough when Bach lived. < 1061156156 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it wasn't. < 1061156163 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was. < 1061156173 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it wasn't. < 1061156180 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1061156192 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elaborate. < 1061156216 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was enough when Bach lived. < 1061156223 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But certainly not for _six_ strings. < 1061156256 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you base this on... What? < 1061156272 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My experience. < 1061156293 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting... Because my experience tells me it would be enough. < 1061156364 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come all (that I know of) bowed instruments have four, or less than four, strings? < 1061156401 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno... Possibly you don't know a lot of bowed string instruments? < 1061156471 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likely. < 1061156483 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a hint. Go look up information on an instrument called 'viola da gamba' < 1061156524 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look... First link on google shows a six-string viola da gamba... < 1061156528 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy that. < 1061156559 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.violadagamba.nl/pix/kampic.gif < 1061156567 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See that curve? < 1061156590 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing like that curve on the electric violin. < 1061156601 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irrelevant... You claimed there were very few string instruments with more than four strings. < 1061156613 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is true :) < 1061156616 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1061156650 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even going to inquire why the da gamba effectively died out < 1061156660 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway! < 1061156677 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway you don't have an argument, so you'll try your best to move the conversation elsewhere. < 1061156684 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1061156691 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it depress you to be wrong all the time? < 1061156696 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We weren't talking about da gambas. < 1061156706 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were talking about that six-stringed violin. < 1061156744 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so your 'nonexistance of >4-stringed instruments' argument was a straw man. < 1061156767 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep! < 1061156776 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't agrue nonexistance. Just ignorance. < 1061156785 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. "agrue". < 1061156788 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in that case, I won't bother talking with you... < 1061156794 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's pitch black, you're likely to be eaten by agrue." < 1061156818 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1061156839 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact < 1061156912 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact we were both quite wrong. < 1061156939 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The violin is played with a bow, and the bridge is very curved. < 1061157250 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.barberatransducers.com/hybrid_violin.jpg < 1061157284 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(5 strings) < 1061157308 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, here's 6. http://www.barberatransducers.com/standard_violin.jpg < 1061172253 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1061178862 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed an interesting conversation. < 1061178874 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vibraphones can be bowed. < 1061187731 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client exiting" < 1061188051 0 :lament!~lament@24.85.63.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1061188214 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verbed: Yes, and there's also the nail violin... < 1061189197 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1061193599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1061193600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1061216770 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061223257 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client exiting" < 1061228783 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061236636 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061236758 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1061256388 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1061260226 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061261029 0 :lament!~lament@24.85.63.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1061264992 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing the first prelude on the guitar is possible, after all. < 1061265022 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few notes had to be changed, and almost the whole thing transposed an octave or two up. < 1061265050 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does sound crappy, but at least I can use it as accompanement for Ave Maria. < 1061279999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1061280000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1061282262 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1061293123 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061293123 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061293124 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061293124 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1061296741 0 :dbc!dbc@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1061296814 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About four cups packed fresh basil leaves. < 1061296818 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About one cup olive oil. < 1061296823 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About one cup smashed pine nuts. < 1061296839 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About one cup Parmigiano. < 1061296854 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least four big smashed garlic cloves. < 1061296861 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About one teaspoon salt. < 1061296869 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blend thoroughly. < 1061296922 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1061303529 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061303529 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061303536 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061303536 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1061315795 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061317708 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Choon language seems to be very cool. < 1061330749 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :^C < 1061330749 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1061330763 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1061330763 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1061342799 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1061348120 0 :lament!~lament@24.85.63.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1061360528 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1061362189 0 :dbc!ttm@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1061366399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1061366400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1061381307 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"You have no chance to survive make your time." < 1061404325 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061409526 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1061437016 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061437016 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061437046 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061437046 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1061437453 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061437460 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061438081 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061438130 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061438382 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061438409 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061438585 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061438604 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061438692 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061438715 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061438982 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1061438985 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061452799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1061452800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1061539199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1061539200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1061625599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1061625600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1061627210 0 :gilbertdeb!gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-142.miamfl.adelphia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061627309 0 :gilbertdeb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Told you I could quit any time!" < 1061650012 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client exiting" < 1061654260 0 :asdsa_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"BitchX-75p3 -- just do it." < 1061666844 0 :gilbertdeb!gilbert@fl-nked-ubr2-c3a-142.miamfl.adelphia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061666848 0 :gilbertdeb!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1061671310 0 :Verbed!~Verbed@h24-67-104-54.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1061711999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1061712000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1061798399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1061798400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1061884799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1061884800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1061903105 0 :andreou!~prezak@ppp4.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1061903180 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power. < 1061903499 0 :navigat-r!~prezak@ppp4.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1061903499 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1061903555 0 :navigat-r!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :andreou < 1061903561 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1061908188 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ya tvoy sluga; ya tvoy rabotnik." < 1061944998 0 :Verbed!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Client exiting" < 1061971199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1061971200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1061987362 0 :andreou!~prezak@elcns-pc-01.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1061993325 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cu < 1061993330 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ya tvoy sluga; ya tvoy rabotnik." < 1061994524 0 :andreou!~prezak@ppp3.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1061996164 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"beh" < 1062052897 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1062053026 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1062057599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1062057600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1062065652 0 :andreou!~prezak@ppp4.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1062068484 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ya tvoy sluga; ya tvoy rabotnik." < 1062143999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1062144000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1062190562 0 :ski!~md9slj@dada8.mdstud.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1062190605 0 :ski!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1062230399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1062230400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1062293980 0 :lament!~lament@24.85.63.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1062294674 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1062294683 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am back from hellish canoe trip! < 1062294707 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads logs < 1062294757 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is horrified < 1062294760 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're empty :( < 1062296391 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1062304718 0 :lament!~lament@24.85.63.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1062314256 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1062316799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1062316800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1062352165 0 :Aardappel!wvo96r@p508C6ADD.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1062353094 0 :lament!~lament@24.85.63.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1062363515 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1062363527 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing a fugue (3 voices) for my hand drum. < 1062368727 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit