< 1060219124 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1060243199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1060243200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1060278348 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1060282085 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: what exactly is an 'invention'? < 1060287171 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, do you know what a fugue is? < 1060287520 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1060287618 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, well, an invention is similar to a fugue, except that the Comes theme is in the same key as the Dux theme... Does that make any sense? :) < 1060291027 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. What a stupid distinction. < 1060291068 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1060291711 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two-part invention #13 starts with two voices. < 1060291720 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're into hair-splitting, that doesn't look at all like a fugue to me. < 1060291766 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm... Maybe that's because it's an invention? < 1060291856 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if, like you said, the only difference is that the second theme is in the same key, then it's not an invention, either < 1060291915 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.. So you're claiming that none of Bach's fugues start with two voices? < 1060292028 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not claiming that. < 1060292040 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm claiming that they shouldn't. < 1060292078 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't fugues absolutely have to begin with one voice? < 1060292111 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. The vast majority does, though. < 1060292335 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes _all_ fugues have the second theme in the dominant? < 1060292346 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound right :) < 1060292360 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right... The 'Yes' sounds out of place in that sentence. < 1060292538 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Yes/Yet < 1060292545 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it _still_ doesn't sound right :) < 1060292594 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure all fugues have the comes theme initially appearing in the dominant. < 1060292776 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, there would be no way of distinguishing fugues and inventions ;) < 1060292789 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As an example, that is) < 1060292801 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so (about the dominant) < 1060292816 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides _not_ to mention the Sinphonias.
< 1060292816 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~tas3/fugueanatomy.html < 1060292906 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimme examples, not webpages :) < 1060292950 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1060292964 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just assume that guy knows what he's talking about < 1060292968 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because he agrees with me < 1060292982 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because his animated WTC is awesome < 1060292991 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phew* That means I won't have to change my view of you... :X < 1060293008 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it _is_ awesome. < 1060293033 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know anything about cellular automaton 90? < 1060293056 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope... Do you reckon there may be something about it in NKS? < 1060293070 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1060293084 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll go check. < 1060293092 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, rule 90 has an extremely awesome property of reversing the state < 1060293096 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see yesterday's log) < 1060293111 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't find anything about this on Wolfram's site. < 1060293114 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anywhere else. < 1060293116 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed it :) < 1060293119 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cool. < 1060293170 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Wolfram never found it becasue he's dealing with 'real' automata with unbounded states < 1060293178 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh... NLS... Painfully... Heavy... < 1060293180 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NKS < 1060293183 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1060293187 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it at least good? < 1060293197 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know about it is from the /. review. < 1060293198 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. He's quite full of himself. < 1060293237 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol... Rule 90 has tons of references in the index. < 1060293255 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont under what going on under this channel < 1060293264 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand what going on under this channel < 1060293266 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's why i like it < 1060293269 0 :asdsa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=) < 1060293510 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: page 260, i guess < 1060293628 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... < 1060293671 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. The most interesting CA are 30,60,90,110,150. < 1060293693 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all divisible by ten, all but one divisible by 30 < 1060294043 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find anything about Rule 90 producing reversed patterns... < 1060294105 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even on page 260! < 1060294117 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially not on page 260. < 1060294150 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... It just dawned on me that I have the New Grove Dictionary of Music... Maybe I should look up fugue and invention there :) < 1060294876 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fugue, n: see Invention < 1060294905 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1060295017 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody on the esolang can't find anything about Thue. < 1060295074 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed. I wonder what's happened to Catseye. < 1060295121 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid catseye. < 1060295278 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION posts on comp.theory.cell-automata about rule 90