< 1059523225 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in case of Io, "generally accepted" would be "accepted by both Io users" < 1059523231 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/be/mean < 1059523235 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1059523268 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol... This is from the pragprog mailing list... About the new "Pragmatic" language: < 1059523274 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just remember that as yet there are no functions, no methods, no calling < 1059523274 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> conventions, nothing. All that is built on the block concept. < 1059523275 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        I agree and that is all well and fine but we *MUST* map it onto a 1-d tape < 1059523278 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of bits and primative state transforms at some point. < 1059523285 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're going down. < 1059523344 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what _is_ pragmatic programming? < 1059523355 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming that gets the job done. < 1059523396 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pragmaticprogrammer.com/ < 1059523439 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby! < 1059523446 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut yo' mouth! < 1059523490 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't < 1059523492 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Pragmatic Programmers are big proponents of Ruby, yeah. < 1059523492 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ruby! < 1059523498 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby annoys me. < 1059523516 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrr < 1059523522 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can think of Ruby as a mix of Perl and Smalltalk, or look at it as Python with full object-orientation. < 1059523533 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.k... < 1059523576 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm familiar with Ruby. The Smalltalk bits I like... The Perl bits give me the willies. < 1059523585 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that quote is still WRONG < 1059523618 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the python bit < 1059523624 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I didn't know it was a quote... For one it didn't have quote marks... < 1059523632 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was puzzled by that. < 1059523674 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If i send them an email asking to change that, will they? < 1059523691 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask them to explain it first :) < 1059523698 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1059523705 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea. < 1059523741 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB... Mmmm. Tea. < 1059523815 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn... The dishwasher is still running... No tea for the next 20 minutes :( < 1059523930 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sent them an email. < 1059523943 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i think they just wrote that because it's a trendy thing to write. < 1059523970 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably. < 1059523990 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the whole website is just too buzzwordy. < 1059524010 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's aimed at managers... No such thing as 'too buzzwordy' in that case ;) < 1059524018 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Andy specializes in blending tried-and-true techniques with leading-edge technologies, creating novel -- but practical -- solutions." < 1059524031 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, that is rather bad. < 1059524084 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they wrote leading, not bleeding. < 1059524113 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think 'bleeding-edge' appeals to managers. < 1059524135 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the mailing list also aimed at managers? < 1059524173 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. It's a bunch of people who claim to be pragmatic programmers. And me. < 1059524197 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully you make fun of them! < 1059524209 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really my style. < 1059524293 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually < 1059524300 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought pragmatic programmers were called software engineers. < 1059524318 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they are. I wouldn't know... < 1059524329 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/cgi-local/pragprog?NamingTheProgram <--- Heh... < 1059524364 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RequestedFeatures page is a hoot too. < 1059524384 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The material in this Wiki is Copyright (c) 2001 the Pragmatic Programmers, LLC, and may well end up in our next book. By posting to this Wiki, you agree that we can use your ideas. Please sign what you enter, and we'll do our best to attribute what you say." < 1059524393 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like those people at all. < 1059524415 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. Never noticed that. < 1059524441 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme < 1059524441 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Too hard to learn < 1059524441 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Too much like assembly language (Scheme is the assembly of the lambda calculus) < 1059524445 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Not enough industry support < 1059524447 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Rotten FFI < 1059524449 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Reasons why it isn't Pragmatic) < 1059524453 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1059524466 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like reason #3... That's really a language flaw... Mmm... Yep. < 1059524493 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a language flaw < 1059524498 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a reason why it's not pragmatic < 1059524506 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the reason 1 < 1059524509 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. < 1059524536 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I bet there's more industry support for Scheme than for Pragmatic. < 1059524539 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's too hard to learn - it does'nt use C syntax < 1059524549 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1059524549 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Not sufficiently abstract < 1059524549 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Too easy to shoot yourself in the foot < 1059524557 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. < 1059524562 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1059524604 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I need to try CHICKEN. < 1059524677 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Careful with what you post on the list. It's probably also copyright (c) Them < 1059524688 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen the list of requested features? < 1059524706 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1059524716 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Proper Tail Recursion < 1059524716 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Lisp-like Macros < 1059524716 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can guess! < 1059524717 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Simple syntax < 1059524722 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I can't < 1059524724 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And first-class functions. < 1059524727 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1059524750 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Industry support < 1059524779 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1059524916 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, attacking #python people < 1059524933 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah... People who are spreading FUD!! < 1059526065 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was fun. < 1059526757 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. bye. < 1059526758 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059543301 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1059543370 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1059543370 0 :niven.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Taaus < 1059543382 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1059543409 0 :Taaus!~T@cpe.atm0-0-0-196156.0x3ef21ebe.boanxx5.customer.tele.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1059543409 0 :niven.freenode.net!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o Taaus < 1059549846 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp6.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059551999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1059552000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1059552169 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059591910 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1059594684 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1059594707 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esoteric programming language list on purists.org has been renamed "stupid programming languages" < 1059594731 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they write Brainfork instead of Brainfuck < 1059594748 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never even hint that that's not its true name < 1059594764 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1059595890 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1059595895 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck was renamed?!? < 1059596272 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never! < 1059596299 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfork is a lame name. < 1059596302 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1059596308 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't supposed to fork your brain. < 1059596313 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1059596322 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, stupid purists.org < 1059596328 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stupid languages" hah! < 1059596335 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I thought purists.org was kraml.at, or something? < 1059596345 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes. < 1059596351 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't memorize the new url. < 1059596374 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff. < 1059596564 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods lament with a named let.
< 1059596690 0 :andreou!~kvik@ppp7.ee.teiath.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1059596699 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou! Defender of the ppl! < 1059596740 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleepy defender of the people, for that matter. < 1059596771 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you're sleepy, you should... Wait for it... Sleep! < 1059596787 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1059596792 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must'n't! < 1059596800 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion on purists.org renaming Brainfuck to Brainfork? < 1059596813 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1059596816 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT? < 1059596840 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was pretty much the reaction I expected. < 1059596890 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I expect they'll be using {} for [], () for <> and, what, _= for -+? < 1059596947 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... It could be worse... They could have renamed it to Ook. (A language I consider to be totally superfluous) < 1059596997 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, from my point of view, they can rename it to DisneyDrum too. It will still be a great Brainfucking experience, no matter how it's called. < 1059597005 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: bah, ook is ok < 1059597010 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, ok is ook < 1059597013 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can call it a trip, a paper, an LSD shot, it's still a high :-) . < 1059597017 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: The coolest language ever is e! < 1059597020 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it's called < 1059597025 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e? < 1059597027 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does Ook give me that Brainfuck doesn't? < 1059597032 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Besides RSI) < 1059597037 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrh < 1059597041 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1059597042 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :) < 1059597046 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: the one that guy on esolang proposed a year ago < 1059597047 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more < 1059597056 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh... I remember that language. < 1059597064 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which uses exclamation marks for everything, but otherwise is just brainfuck.... without loops < 1059597066 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got pointers? < 1059597068 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I preferred the name 'straightfuck' that someone suggested ;) < 1059597088 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did the name change issue came up *at all*? < 1059597113 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: i remember people decided that "brain" is too obscene < 1059597116 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Brainfuck->Brainfork one? < 1059597120 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: so they wanted to rename the language to "fuck" < 1059597128 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Brainfuck->* one. < 1059597140 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: because purists.org DID change the name < 1059597142 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, apparently purists.org is a bunch of prudes. < 1059597166 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: they also renamed their esoteric programming languages list to "stupid programming languages" < 1059597172 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they didn't. They *think* they have, but they haven't. < 1059597209 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, purists.org should be removed from the Obfuscated Languages list at dmoz. :-) < 1059597212 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like calling fugue a stupid genre, because they're hard to write! < 1059597219 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1059597222 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!! < 1059597226 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook! OOk! < 1059597228 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love writing fugues :) < 1059597240 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: how many have you written? < 1059597249 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two or three. < 1059597258 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written more inventions. < 1059597269 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're mad < 1059597271 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was part of the first year of my music studies) < 1059597272 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they good? < 1059597282 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quality... Varies :P < 1059597287 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fugues in first year! < 1059597308 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish i studied music. < 1059597311 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament then it's ok, it's *they* who's mad, not taaus. < 1059597344 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: It doesn't exactly help matter that I'm a complete Bach nut. Me and some other music students even started a Bach lodge. < 1059597380 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bach lodge! < 1059597392 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you a music student? < 1059597401 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because music rocks? < 1059597417 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were a CS student or something like that. < 1059597439 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. I'm not good at that stuff.. (j/k) < 1059597451 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm switching to Mathematics in a few months. < 1059597461 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sick < 1059597477 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1059597502 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of bach, do you have richter's first WTC recording? < 1059597541 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, no. < 1059597551 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good? :) < 1059597554 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food is here. < 1059597571 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: you have to ask? < 1059597573 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bon appetit, andreou! < 1059597578 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of bach nut _are_ you? :) < 1059597594 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the kind of Bach nut that thinks Glenn Gould is a demigod ;) < 1059597608 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Koopman on the organ. *drool* < 1059597637 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059597722 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew, gould! < 1059597754 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the humming bach-playing machine! < 1059597760 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1059597784 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any idea how difficult it is to play Bach and hum at the same time? < 1059597814 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any idea how difficult it is to liston to Bach and to humming at the same time? < 1059597817 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*listen < 1059597839 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It really isn't an issue. < 1059597850 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is! < 1059597865 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well... De gustibus no est disputandum, I guess. < 1059597874 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, listen to the first prelude from WTC in gould and richter recordings < 1059597912 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired of the WTC 1 prelude in C. < 1059597928 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's good for comparison. < 1059597933 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. < 1059597934 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gould plays it without legato. < 1059597944 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like crap. < 1059597950 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In your opinion. < 1059597953 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1059597979 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least I've listened to both versions! < 1059597992 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing your opinion doesn't matter to me :) < 1059598043 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gould is too much of an 'entertainer'. All those show-off photos, humming, etc < 1059598090 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1059598091 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, why am i arguing, i haven't even written any fugues! < 1059598096 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write one. < 1059598098 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Befunge. < 1059598109 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Befugue in C. < 1059598113 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck. < 1059598159 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrr... The DrScheme editor annoys me. < 1059598174 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use it. < 1059598186 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For both applicable values of it! < 1059598208 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you propose I use instead? Bigloo? < 1059598234 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even bigloo! < 1059598283 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, befunge doesn't have threads < 1059598294 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly doesn't have voices < 1059598344 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make it output Lilypond code ;) < 1059598364 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that would be neat < 1059598386 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i couldn't install lilypond last time i tried < 1059598402 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually started working on an online collaborative fugue-writing system for our Bach-lodge homepage... But I never got very far :( < 1059598418 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fugue-writing system? < 1059598429 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds evil < 1059598429 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Using Lilypond. < 1059598436 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like something gould would enjoy! < 1059598446 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1059598598 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputting raw MIDI would be neat. < 1059598924 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, MIDI has major and minor scales. How quaint. < 1059598933 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1059598947 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scale is defined by number of flats and sharps and one bit for majo/minor < 1059598958 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute. < 1059598997 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a pointless way! < 1059599005 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1059599029 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use quite a lot of exclamation marks, you know that? < 1059599079 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope the signature is not actually used for anything! < 1059599111 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course lilypond is also affected by similar cuteness < 1059599204 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite.. Lilypond isn't _restricted_ to major/minor... It just has good definitions to start with... A _lot_ of music is either in the major or minor mode. < 1059599284 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes. < 1059599299 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, all of music notation is extremely weird < 1059599308 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. But it works ;) < 1059599311 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also things like pianos < 1059599340 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_-_-__-_-_-_ < 1059599430 0 :andreou!~kvik@195.130.100.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1059599456 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1059599471 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back with a full stomach; screw vengeance. < 1059599513 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome back! < 1059599941 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... The discussion of the new "Pragmatic" language has moved to another mailing list now. pragmatic_lang at Yahoo groups. < 1059599964 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeap, I'm long gone from the scene. < 1059599980 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1059600168 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1059600168 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check < 1059600171 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is strange here < 1059600188 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The #esoteric input box is right-aligned. < 1059600188 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's you. ;) < 1059600190 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell. < 1059600194 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ελληνικά. < 1059600210 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1059600212 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1059600214 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1059600216 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange < 1059600219 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1059600219 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two edit boxen. < 1059600380 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check. < 1059600392 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger. < 1059600405 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bacon. < 1059600415 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Francis. < 1059600808 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :co, San. < 1059600864 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ta Claus. < 1059601068 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was that von Klaussewitz (sp?) character? < 1059601094 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. :/ < 1059602792 0 :lament!~lament@h24-87-69-52.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1059603029 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming is boring. < 1059603062 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring is programming. < 1059603067 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me fix this weirdness the hard way. < 1059603068 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1059603072 0 :andreou!~kvik@195.130.100.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1059603076 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1059603076 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1059603087 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever you do can be done by a turing machine anyway, so why bother? < 1059603113 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And whatever you do on a real computer can be done by SMETANA. < 1059603122 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.frap.net/kenn/scmnote/ <--- Look at this, lament :) < 1059603128 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I think the correct thinking is "Whatever you do can be done by SOMEBODY ELSE". < 1059603149 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/can/should < 1059603160 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! < 1059603207 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: ooh. Sick!@ < 1059603406 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1059603413 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about an esoteric music notation system? < 1059603447 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shudder at the thought. < 1059603455 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scale would be major bebop, and no way to change it! < 1059603485 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, major and minor is the same thing... It's just a matter of perspective ;)= < 1059603487 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course pythagorean tuning < 1059603498 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus: 'major bebop' is a scale. < 1059603508 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has nine notes iirc < 1059603517 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I thought you just threw the bebop in there as an exclamation :) < 1059603546 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :major and minor aren't the same thing, either. < 1059603577 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they are. < 1059603581 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they're not < 1059603594 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'a' is identical to 'C'. < 1059603601 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1059603602 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a matter of where you start the scale. < 1059603607 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1059603612 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is important. < 1059603614 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very. < 1059603617 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A matter of 'perspective', as I put it. < 1059603728 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, 'major' and 'minor' are very stupid words in this context. < 1059603736 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ionian' and 'aeolian' are much better < 1059603747 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. < 1059603860 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :major bebop is ionian, with an added 5# < 1059603871 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1059603935 0 :andreou!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1059604166 0 :Taaus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wanders off
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