Talk:Works in progress

Cruft
This page seems to be accumulating a list of
 * things people only intend to work on themselves (why put it on a wiki?)
 * abandoned ideas that are no longer works in progress

I think we should delete these things. From this list, if not from the wiki entirely. --Graue 17:30, 9 Sep 2005 (GMT)


 * I agree that stuff that people work on alone doesn't really belong here. However, I still have hopes that the RGB lang me and Keymaker started on will be continued, and I think this is a nice place to do it. But if people disagree I'm not opposed to removing it either. The BF instruction minimalization project should also be kept IMHO. The others I don't know enough about.


 * I think perhaps we should specify on the page that these projects should be collaborative projects, and that people should keep their solo projects on their own computer until they're ready. --Rune 21:47, 9 Sep 2005 (GMT)


 * At the moment the outlook for the Deltaplex project isn't so good because it's so big and complex, I'm going on a vacation in a few days and after that I'll have to work for university. The specification of it is mainly done, so if a specification of a complex language with 3D graphics but without interpreter is good enough, keep it, else, feel free to delete it until a far future where I finished the interpreter. --Aardwolf 00:09, 10 Sep 2005 (GMT)


 * Sorry about the lack of updates for what CRAWL will eventually become. Its not a collaborative work, but I had hoped that people would be interested in it (although our community is rather small). I haven't updated anything online in a while, but I've been working pretty dilligently on it. I bought a 99 cent notebook that Ive been writing down some pseudo code and ideas for. You're welcome to take the info down until I have something more concrete to look at if that's prefered. --Wildhalcyon 00:43, 10 Sep 2005 (GMT)


 * How about making a separate page for solo projects? I don't see why we can't have those on the wiki, as long as they don't clutter up the collaborative projects page. Then people who are interested can see what others are working on, and people can ask for help/contributions/comments if they want to. --Rune 01:56, 10 Sep 2005 (GMT)


 * I would propose that if you want to talk about your unfinished solo project(s) on this wiki, you can (and should) do so on (or under) your user page. --Chris Pressey 18:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * My lang, 3var, just started and I would like it to be collaborative, but no one is showing up. I think it would help people notice it if the abandonned projects were to be removed, and the solo projects put in their own category.  --LuaGeek2412 (talk) 01:05, 31 January 2014 (UTC) P.S. I feel this would be a good place to ask for any help with 3var.

Getting rid of this page
On IRC, I suggested that these "works in progress" should go on the forum rather than the wiki, and I remember several people concurring. Shall the header text here be replaced with a note not to add new entries? Thoughts? --Graue 15:42, 25 Nov 2005 (GMT)


 * Personally, I'd like MESSo to be worked on by others (getting them to actually collaborate on such lunacy is another matter) and I'm sure some of the people who posted the other projects feel the same way about their "pet projects". The way I see it, the wiki is a good place to host the specs and such of the collaborative projects, and then have the discussions about the development of the projects on the forums. How's that sound? That way solo projects would stay off the wiki until they're ready, and community projects would get a place to host the specs --137.33.254.111 17:42, 25 Nov 2005 (GMT)


 * I see no problem with having the projects on the wiki. The forums are not being backed up, for one thing.. are difficult to use, and are less permanent feeling than the wiki.  It is easy for me to access something on the wiki and make a change.. on the forum that is impossible.. it then becomes a huge thread, reposts.. etc.  Then the project gets lost in the noise.  So I disagree with deletion of these things.  Also, I don't see the big problem.  So some people want to write about what they are working on.  I think it should make up happy that people are working on languages, not upset.  IMO, removing things from here is just a way of discouraging the invention of new languages.  Also, I think it's a great place to come and get language ideas.  Personally, it would not bother me if this page had hundreds of partially made languages and ideas.  So much the better.  Now of course these partial languages and ideas shouldn't be put on the language list until they are ready.. but I don't see what the big fuss is.  It's not like they are even taking up that much disk space (and I'm hosting a mirror of the wiki, so if something was taking up lots of room I'd probably complain), and they are hidden away here, so it's not like they're an eye-sore. Let people invent languages, that's the fun of this whole hobby.  Don't discourage people by silly restrictions and forcing them into crappy forums. --Calamari 21:04, 25 Nov 2005 (GMT)


 * I think the wiki is a nice place to develop languages as you can edit what you've written, which you can't do on the forum. Especially the fact that several people can edit the same article is very useful for collaborative projects. I am more sceptical to putting solo-projects here, though. However, I think encouraging people to create esolangs is important, so I do not think that we should be removing anything from this article, except perhaps upgrade a few from "work in progress" to a regular article. Like Udage for instance. It might not be completely done, but that goes for a lot of languages in this wiki (and software in general) --Rune 23:45, 25 Nov 2005 (GMT)


 * Yeah.. was looking at a couple langs in the list and was wondering why they were still there.. I re-read my last comment and I think I have to agree that new solo projects are best left off the wiki. At least with a collaborative project there is more than one person working on it to keep it alive.  Wouldn't want a language to be almost done then put here to die, when it could be finished and released with just a bit more effort. --Calamari 02:07, 26 Nov 2005 (GMT)


 * 137.33.254.111's proposal (specs -> wiki, discussion -> forum) sounds good to me. --Graue 17:51, 26 Nov 2005 (GMT)


 * Ahh.. sorry guys, I just re-read. Using the forum for discussion sounds fine.  Forums are good for that.  Wiki's are good for long term storage :)  So yeah, I agree also. --Calamari 18:39, 26 Nov 2005 (GMT)


 * I disagree. Any of my files in this section, I will discuss only on the wiki. --Zzo38 08:49, 6 May 2011 (UTC)