Talk:Lesser known programming languages

These are not the oldest known esoteric programming languages; they're not esoteric programming languages at all. The article was just a list of jokes. SARTRE was fleshed out 18 years later, and VALGOL got an interpreter, but this was long after the joke list. The other languages, since they are not real languages at all, do not deserve articles here IMO. --Graue 02:34, 16 Jun 2005 (GMT)


 * I didn't say they were the oldest. I said they were some of the oldest, which they definately are. Whether they are programming languages at all is a completely different matter, but that's why I've put them down as jokes. I agree that there is no reason to have separate articles for all of them, but since they were listed with individual links in the Joke language list I did the same here. IMO they should have a short entry each on this page (except SARTRE, and they should be categorized with the rest of the joke languages. A separate category for these is not needed.


 * I was thinking of including the original article in the text, but it might have some licencing issues. Though, as it is on the Wikipedia and a ton of other web pages out there, it is probably not a problem at all... --Rune 11:16, 16 Jun 2005 (GMT)

Any opinions on whether we can include the entire Usenet post in this article? As both google and the wikipedia does it I think it shouldn't be a problem at all, but I'm no expert on licensing matters. --Rune 03:11, 24 Nov 2005 (GMT)


 * If you can find anything that says it's public domain, go ahead. Otherwise, it's copyright violation. --Ihope127 03:16, 24 Nov 2005 (GMT)


 * I'm trying to reduce the number of red links in the Esolang Wiki, so I've created articles for each of the languages. Reproducing the relevant excerpt describing each language in that language's entry would qualify as fair use. --Safalra 17:06, 13 Aug 2006 (UTC)

RENE?
A user at 130.94.161.238 added RENE to the list. Googling for ["John Unger Zussman" RENE] only gives a couple of irrelevant pages, this Wiki, and some pages scraping content from this Wiki. Can anyone find evidence that RENE actually did feature in a version of the article?--Safalra 17:06, 13 Aug 2006 (UTC)

Googling for [lesser-known-programming rene] turns up more. --Ørjan 10:46, 14 Aug 2006 (UTC)


 * Including some additional languages: FOCUSALL, PINBOL, FASTBOL, and GERITOL, at http://darrel.damon.name/lesserprogramming.htm. --Ørjan 10:56, 14 Aug 2006 (UTC)


 * That page doesn't, however, claim to be a copy of the original article - in fact, it lacks all attribution. I'm inclined to believe therefore that RENE only features in various extensions of the original joke.--Safalra 14:20, 14 Aug 2006 (UTC)


 * Heh, never seen those 'new' langs before.. :) Perhaps someone could e-mail Darrel and ask if he has the original article anywhere. And to note, even if they are added to the Lesser Known Programming Languages later (or perhaps there are various versions of it, or an updated version), they still exist now! We should add them somewhere, at least. :) --Keymaker 18:55, 14 Aug 2006 (UTC)


 * I note that although there are several variations on the extensions, the actual description of RENE seems to be common to those that have it. The new extensions seem independent of RENE again, I just found a page (http://www.jestsandjokes.com/show.php3?joke=175) that has those but not RENE. (Plus two(?) versions of LAIDBACK.)  There seem to be only about a handful of pages including some of them, at least under the lesser-known-programming-languages heading. --Ørjan 17:00, 15 Aug 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way RENE cannot be that new considering the VAX reference. --Ørjan 17:02, 15 Aug 2006 (UTC)