< 1596845059 954070 :shinh_!~i@om126133233183.21.openmobile.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1596845070 806633 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you thinking of my "World Trap" card? < 1596845116 523263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. How come writing programs with UIs is a completely ridiculous endeavor these days? < 1596845145 583512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so bad. There are five platforms you need to target and they're all trying to maximize lock-in by having incompatible APIs for everything. < 1596845146 856585 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596845167 870161 :shinh__!~i@om126133233183.21.openmobile.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1596845168 593638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't even want you to use the same language, because apparently we're in the 1950s and high-level cross-platform languages haven't been invented yet. < 1596845326 64232 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending what you are writing, you could use some VM code, such as Z-machine code or Glulx code; that is why Infocom invented the Z-machine code, for their Zork game. < 1596845349 60537 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might also be able to use SDL for some stuff, maybe. < 1596845353 949751 :shinh_!~i@om126133233183.21.openmobile.ne.jp QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1596845478 319200 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596845574 55106 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zivlvbvedlcrpowi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1596847035 898388 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596847069 554794 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596847090 798658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was doing some "classic iOS" ObjC things recently, and it was kind of interesting, that whole NeXTSTEPpy object feel and the Interface Builder and stuff. < 1596847090 906003 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596847107 413236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although AIUI that's kind of obsolete with Swift and SwiftUI and declarative UIs, which seems like a bit of a shame. < 1596847112 225018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's called "classic" now? Is Objective-C deprecated? < 1596847135 681232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. I want to write my program in one language, which I get to choose, and I want to compile it to all the different target platforms. < 1596847164 70405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want a Swift-only or Java-only or .NET-only or JavaScript-only or C++-only library as the basic thing the platform provides. That just seems absurd. < 1596847166 968295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about "deprecated", but I think it's not definitely "the new thing". < 1596847215 418336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swift is to Objective-C what Kotlin is to Java, or that's the impression I got. < 1596847239 972229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swift sounds like an OKish language to me. < 1596847265 865432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not going to write my program, which needs to be efficient and cross-platform, in Swift. That's just silly. < 1596847269 977527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Even better, you don’t even need to type semi-colons." < 1596847287 321754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I'd highlight that as a big selling point on the very top of https://developer.apple.com/swift/ though. < 1596847303 845924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the semi-colons were the problem. < 1596847312 737803 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective-C is a superset of C, I think, so you can write everything else except the UI in C, I think. < 1596847367 307472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really want to write my UI six times. < 1596847385 299960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, see, you get six software development teams who each write the UI once. < 1596847395 212554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six: Mac OS, iOS, Android, Windows, Linux, web. < 1596847416 489968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS and iOS are converging a little, aren't they? < 1596847458 599292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of outside my field of view, but that's what it felt like. Or at least they were already much closer than Android and [anything else]. < 1596847484 919303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe. Writing a different UI for desktop and mobile actually does make some sense. < 1596847530 435863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know... "Qt is the fastest and smartest way to produce industry-leading software that users love." < 1596847534 9825 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596847539 60139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really want to use C++, though. < 1596847552 503720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt might be one fo the most reasonable answers? But that doesn't seem great. < 1596847573 248226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember Nokia's Linux phones were kind of heavily banking on Qt. < 1596847689 846373 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you will do, it might depend what program you are writing, too. < 1596847727 856763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would write my own UI code, except for a few things that make it tricky. < 1596847744 459733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main things are: Rendering text, and handling text in general; accessibility. < 1596847747 820582 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What program are you trying to write? < 1596847793 175623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing at the moment. I gave up on some programs I was trying to write. < 1596847803 946073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the idea of making a simple GUI program is kind of daunting, though. < 1596847806 61331 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1596847842 959055 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally write command line programs instead, since many thing we don't need the GUI. < 1596847996 95696 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes you might be able to use SDL or something like that < 1596848011 322673 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, SDL doesn't handle text) < 1596848044 982163 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, even with rendering/handling text, it still depend what stuff you need to do, since different applications require different text handling. < 1596848106 355980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All applications require the same text handling: They must render "Professional Octopus of the World" in 12pt Arial. < 1596848242 583461 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that isn't quite correct. Even if needs to render arbitrary text, it might not need 12pt Arial, and even if it is, it can depend on if the render is on the screen or printer, too. < 1596848343 542528 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1596850042 217403 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596850499 122817 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is then consideration of kerning, ligatures, line breaking, etc, depending on what is needed. < 1596850787 439978 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596851083 460161 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1596851754 893061 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596851846 30617 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1596852188 852278 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1596852204 998095 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596852260 470842 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596852386 646598 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596852589 852443 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1596852947 100463 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how much is twelve points depend on the application too. Some programs use 1/72 inch, and some use 1/72.27 inch. The PostScript documentation specifically says that 1/72 inch isn't a point, but it is approximately equal to one point (it doesn't give an exact number of how much is one point). < 1596853007 504426 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I will suggest to call 1/72.27 inch a "small point" and 1/72 inch a "big point", I suppose. < 1596853046 605726 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1596853048 860443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A smoint and a boint, for short. < 1596853113 118041 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1596853341 738047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how solvers for forall-exists kinds of problems work? < 1596853373 714685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean Σ_2 or Π_2, I guess. < 1596853384 604339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much harder is it than SAT? < 1596853617 812899 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hqqrcxaddehikowt QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1596853840 419804 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wazyaewkvaygjhzg JOIN :#esoteric < 1596854032 448245 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596854313 481220 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1596857279 477471 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596857581 430103 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1596858983 39726 :Antebrationist!ca9a855d@202-154-133-93.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1596859039 608771 :Antebrationist!ca9a855d@202-154-133-93.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any programming KOTH competitions running currently? < 1596859193 197759 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :bobbeh < 1596859226 826564 :Antebrationist!ca9a855d@202-154-133-93.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming? < 1596859380 349960 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596859530 766661 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1596859531 80178 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1596859934 311445 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what is "KOTH competitions" < 1596859983 332974 :Antebrationist!ca9a855d@202-154-133-93.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Competitions where user-submitted programs battle it out, to be King of the Hill (KotH) < 1596859999 826746 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1596860380 163667 :Antebrationist!ca9a855d@202-154-133-93.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one on here a while back, that orbitaldecay ran, as a brainfuck competition, but no more have occurred since. < 1596860530 779337 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596860696 959748 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there was one before, but I don't know if it is at this time, now. < 1596860827 780460 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1596861011 476817 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you want any other programming languages with it? < 1596861040 113101 :Antebrationist!ca9a855d@202-154-133-93.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any programming language will do, but I'd prefer esolangs. < 1596861059 169541 :Antebrationist!ca9a855d@202-154-133-93.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, zzo, I finished proving Eldritch TC a while ago. < 1596861134 144689 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. You should add a esolang wiki article about Eldritch then. < 1596861154 60051 :Antebrationist!ca9a855d@202-154-133-93.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that it is sufficiently notable to be on the wiki. < 1596861310 22876 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although I think esolang wiki doesn't require so much notability as Wikipedia does. < 1596861359 896737 :Antebrationist!ca9a855d@202-154-133-93.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eldritch bears many similarities to existing languages, such as Befunge, though I didn't even know about them before you mentioned it. For this reason I won't post it. < 1596861393 608158 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, if you do not want to post, is OK < 1596863434 170103 :Antebrationist!ca9a855d@202-154-133-93.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596864393 942038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596867386 380024 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1596867405 792631 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596869634 497833 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596870321 691242 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-180.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, writing UI programs sucks these days. other people have noticed that too. < 1596870463 768640 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596870526 909102 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1596871832 773189 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596874058 353910 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596874203 857361 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596874438 750081 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-180.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596882322 412449 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596882631 228563 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1596883004 461507 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596883262 11351 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1596884160 253433 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596887527 548312 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do your bridges work on the first try? < 1596887527 829483 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so far no mime types" http://srfi.schemers.org/ srfi-27/ is that once the basics are working, and stuff like that < 1596887772 60535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :application/x-broken-bridge < 1596887832 139039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I feel like I saw a funny MIME type just recently? No recollection what it could've been. < 1596887898 907514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe it was the 'application/vnd.PHE-COVID19.v1+json' content type used by the UK COVID-19 data API, but that's not especially funny, just maybe oddly specific. < 1596888385 563732 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm playing https://www.gog.com/game/bridge_constructor < 1596888443 459539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm finding that the addition of sloped bridges made this much more fun. < 1596888465 187208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played a little bit of Poly Bridge (1) recently, which that looks quite similar to. < 1596888546 141384 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah there are a number of clones of the original (I think) Bridge Builder < 1596888625 464754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like there's also a Bridge Constructor / Portal crossover game. < 1596888643 959736 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how they compare, the Bridge Constructor franchise is the only one I've played. < 1596888879 413903 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried that one too (gog has a promo bundle with three variants including that one, https://www.gog.com/promo/20200806_launch_promo_bridge_constructor) < 1596888981 421612 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have portals, they have accelerating goo and bouncing goo, they have turrets, they have switches and companion cubes... they may be overdoing it a little, but it's still enjoyable. I kind of miss the budget constraints actually. < 1596889002 607541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of unhappy that I only have the Android version of Poly Bridge (had some expiring Play Store credits to lose, at it was on sale for something like £0.99), and the small-touchscreen user experience really isn't quite the same as having a monitor and a mouse. < 1596889004 22070 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They still display a cost, so you /can/ minimize that.) < 1596889050 144420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs okay on Chrome OS's Android app support, and you can click on buttons with the mouse, but none of the actual bridge parts deign to be interacted with the mouse. < 1596889050 854660 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The portals mean that you have cars going vertically, and also can be used to flip car directions... some levels have you cross the car's own path. < 1596889061 387454 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah, it's cute. < 1596889062 188737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Presumably the code is specific to "touch" events on those.) < 1596889211 675977 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596889314 770802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the sloping really got me... instead of connecting start and end in a straight line you get to do things like http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/bbslope.jpg (partial bridge, I removed the supporting structures, from a (the?) christmas themed level set) < 1596889956 187982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many civil engineers this game has ruined. "I can make this bridge at half the cost, you just have to be careful when driving on it." < 1596890335 495029 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still remember Armadillo Run, has anyone else heard of that? < 1596890374 562527 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1596890389 892095 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596890570 582741 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not I < 1596890832 980687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I do remember the TIM games though. < 1596890975 872432 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit the fish bowl with the rocket so that the cat chases the mouse to the switch... < 1596890989 756943 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIM was great. < 1596891053 136803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like bridge-building, the best parts (for me, anyway) are the ridiculous almost certainly unintended "somehow, it all worked" solutions. < 1596891072 849165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://classicreload.com/sites/default/files/styles/game_image/public/dosx-the-incredible-machine-screenshot.png < 1596891161 548472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's funny how the magnifying glass can magically focus light exactly on the flammable object, no matter what the orientation, as long as it's roughly the right way round. < 1596891176 162092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must have some control circuitry and optics in it. < 1596891332 649113 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's just Maxwell's demon directing the photons, violating the laws of thermodynamics. < 1596891495 749930 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is trying to figure out which elements are *missing* from the title screen. Amazingly there is quite a few... hamster wheel, generator, motor, dynamite, candle, rocket, tennis ball, basket ball, all the steel parts... I'm almost certain I'm forgetting something, there were just too many things. < 1596891541 40215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bellows. < 1596891789 952221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and a bouncy trampoline. < 1596891817 402246 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh the the trampoline... < 1596891821 435001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://the-incredible-machine.fandom.com/wiki/The_Incredible_Machine_(game)/Parts of course someone's made a list < 1596891841 75810 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those things were annoying, so much fiddling to find a good placement. < 1596891883 97761 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean sure, that's basically the whole game, but trampolines actually stood out in that regard. < 1596892016 793686 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh the monkey, how did I forget the monkey. < 1596892044 588351 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easily the most adorable thing in the whole game. < 1596892114 55718 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't know about the special parts. < 1596892434 168333 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :One cute idea in the medieval bridge constructor is that it makes non-working bridges a feature: you lure enemies onto a bridge and let them plummet to their death. It has to collapse at the right moment for this to work. < 1596892575 975513 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.mdpi.com/2073-8994/7/3/1289/htm < 1596896623 757799 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1596898649 138832 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MailBox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76522&oldid=57701 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+777) 10added interpreter link and TC proof < 1596900233 261915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about the special parts either. < 1596900428 776476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at this nice load distribution... https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/load.jpg (bridgebuilder, possible spoiler for one wood only train bridge) < 1596900435 932559 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/builder/constructor/ < 1596900930 162912 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1596902625 257884 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596902811 803312 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596903083 3434 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596903154 865144 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1596903162 895994 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1596903770 995377 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1596903829 202330 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1596904683 840797 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596904844 502004 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596905189 317471 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you like this link about computing with tangles? < 1596905203 797316 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1596906310 628804 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:The Insane Esolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76523&oldid=68139 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+239) 10/* Invalid submissions */ < 1596907349 63546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I didn't remember TIM being this clunky when it comes to the interface though. Wonder if that's just DOSBox acting up. < 1596907361 776022 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596909303 787539 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596909494 545177 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596910626 939107 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-48.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1596910694 742470 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1596911445 751019 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember 320x200 being an acceptable graphics resolution ;) < 1596911489 745701 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending how many things you need to display, maybe it is. < 1596911527 468295 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the idea ist that the resolution and smoothness of, say, mouse movements, are related) < 1596911902 80708 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that it is < 1596912277 945980 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1596912503 916039 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1596913056 811092 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brotlipython14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76524 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+1424) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Brotlipython |paradigms=multiparadigm |author=[[User:Osmarks|osmarks]] |year=[[:Category:2020|2020]] |class=:Category:Turing complete|Turing complet..." > 1596913250 415814 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks/214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76525&oldid=76506 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+68) 10 < 1596913315 278130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596913809 191973 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-48.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just visited a small museum in Budapest in which the best part is a small and cheap but well-composed representattive selection of digital computers, from the first many-cupboard vacuum tube machines up to recent enough stuff that they won't have a time gap when they later try to expand it. The 80s and 90s home microcomputer era in the middle is the most interesting, because it has a mixture of models < 1596913815 283526 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-48.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imported from West Europe and ones produced locally. < 1596913911 636341 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-48.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were a few pocket calculators, only Eastern ones, but of course the best ones of those are clones of calculators from the West. The two programmables on display are http://www.rskey.org/CMS/index.php/7?manufacturer=H%EDrad%E1stechnika&model=PTK-1023 and http://www.rskey.org/CMS/index.php/7?manufacturer=H%EDrad%E1stechnika&model=PTK-1072 < 1596913973 757472 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-48.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :While the collection is good, the labels are terrible. With the digital computers, where I had some foreknowledge to be able to recognize stuff, but in general, there are barely any labels from which you could find out anything about objects you're not familiar with. < 1596914010 126887 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-48.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reference: https://www.mmkm.hu/hu/kiallitasaink/a-muszaki-tanulmanytar-allando-kiallitasa Magyar Muszaki es Kozlekedesi Muzeum, a Muszaki Tanulmanytar allando kiallitasa, 11. kerulet Lagymanyosi hid labanal. < 1596914744 86113 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596916853 783119 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596916886 383640 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596916902 438284 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596917018 930586 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1596917199 821984 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.234 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1596917646 868632 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe my new format for a printing document file (like PDF and DjVu) can be called "PDQ", since it is a alternative of PDF. One of the parts of this project would be to write a complete specification, another part would be to write a Ghostscript driver to target it, and the other part is to write the viewer software. < 1596917954 68645 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full specification should be available in a plain text format, so that you do not require an implementation to already exist in order to read it. > 1596919121 912448 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Suspicious Garbage 5* 10New user account < 1596919414 252104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1596919426 445554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric > 1596919616 759004 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76526&oldid=76518 5* 03Suspicious Garbage 5* (+242) 10/* Introductions */ < 1596919646 777900 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mmbsmlodxiecqamn JOIN :#esoteric < 1596920473 63062 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596921083 47640 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596922852 405364 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596924449 778691 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:bd0c:efa9:5182:61dc JOIN :#esoteric < 1596924645 121875 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:313b:65f8:b919:b4a0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1596924923 59308 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1596925017 788024 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1596925577 778395 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1596926505 686778 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596927362 163520 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:bd0c:efa9:5182:61dc QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596927657 147028 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:bd0c:efa9:5182:61dc JOIN :#esoteric < 1596928126 313025 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1596928942 77123 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1596929314 178883 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:bd0c:efa9:5182:61dc QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596930075 326419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1596930269 881024 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1596930586 115388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596930850 225596 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596930911 474771 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596930935 239222 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596931159 928185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596931173 170288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric