< 1592786014 376822 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone here a ghostscript wizard? I've got a file where all the pages are set to letter size, but the actual content is half-letter. < 1592786060 636027 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can resize the pages, but the actual content is half on the final page, half off. I just need to figure out how to shift it down a bit. < 1592786125 874256 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I think the page size is included only in the DSC comments, so you can edit that. but there's a chance that the content wasn't aligned to the origin of the postscript coordinate system, in which case you'll get the empty half of the paper. < 1592786138 498608 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: can you try that first? if that doesn't work, I'll try to look for some other solution < 1592786482 898694 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I use Ghostscript. < 1592786498 68631 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can set the page size using command-line arguments, or using setpagedevice. < 1592786522 151560 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1592786524 527303 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't use DSC though, but I know that you can use setpagedevice to set the page size) < 1592786581 142733 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using this command-line: gs -o tcwn11.pdf -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -g3960x6120px spring92.ps < 1592786600 736623 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On this file http://pauillac.inria.fr/~doligez/corewar/tcwn/spring92.ps.gz < 1592786601 975939 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to shift down the contents of the page, you can use set your own transformation matrix. < 1592786624 696681 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's resizing the pages, just half the text isn't on the page. < 1592786769 701538 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would use the translate command to move the origin of the coordinate system. < 1592786826 527019 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, just going to look up translate < 1592787087 30976 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: the pstops tool from impomatic can resize pages and translate the contents without rewriting anything, so it keeps basically all the info that was in the postscript < 1592787259 897369 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I recommend pstops, it's probably the best solution unless you generated the postscript file yourself < 1592787754 350080 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, pstops did the trick :-D < 1592788729 158696 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a copy of some old #esoteric memories on my hard disk: rano's toy compiler called bcompiler, buu's buubot2 and buubot3, and most importantly, simcop's Farnsworth interpreter < 1592788826 973396 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get the latter from CPAN: https://metacpan.org/release/Language-Farnsworth < 1592789030 389383 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the other two fell off the internet < 1592789045 758734 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though of course there might be mirrors somewhere < 1592789087 159719 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Farnsworth count as an esolang? < 1592789133 201409 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a toy language, that might be enough to make it esoteric > 1592789706 245902 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Farnsworth14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74213 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1078) 10simcop's Farnsworth language > 1592790563 895076 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Farnsworth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74214&oldid=74213 5* 03B jonas 5* (+571) 10 < 1592792391 997459 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1592794196 468923 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there common formats for storing halftone patterns? I have an idea about applying halftoning to a input file in the separations output format, and to produce a output file in the same format but with the halftoning applied. It might or might not change the resolution, and might or might not change the set of separations (one reason they might change is in case you are doing CcMmYK printing). < 1592794587 210284 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think those are usually stored mostly temporarily and in whatever format the printer accepts, since the halftoning you use will depend on the printer < 1592794797 437258 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that, although using printer-specific formats is probably only useful if the halftoning is implemented in the printer, isn't it? < 1592795205 436851 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, I don't think so. the printer-specific format can contain a compressed bitmap form of the halftoned images, already halftoned, plus possibly some text, in which case the printer needn't implement halftoning, only decoding the bitmap and rendering text < 1592795213 787449 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the case for at least old matrix printers < 1592795242 639774 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly also some old laser printers too, from before they started to put hundreds of megabytes of RAM into them < 1592795274 758026 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's possible that laser printers intrinsically need that much RAM because they have to print quickly and so need to render a whole page in memory before printing, < 1592795307 516702 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike inkjets and matrix printers, which can print line by line or in even smaller granularity as long as the data comes in the order corresponding to physical movements of the hand < 1592795311 466195 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hand/head/ < 1592795328 654415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make that old inkjets < 1592797899 54601 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1592798188 415161 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course if they are already halftoned then you will convert it to the printer format < 1592800322 557577 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if it is common or even if it is sometimes done at all to print different separations at different resolutions? < 1592800373 209942 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Currently, the "separations output format" that I made up only supports one resolution for all separations on a page.) < 1592801137 443022 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1592806142 359463 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:7070:6e78:e036:4907 JOIN :#esoteric < 1592809321 937872 :LKoen!~LKoen___@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1592810991 375889 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1592812521 375004 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1592812592 589373 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1592812692 481908 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1592813338 871544 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1592813955 606171 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing Creative Commons's round icons for the cc-by license to indicate that the content is under the cc-by-nc-nd 4.0 license: SO FUCKING USEFUL, WEBPAGE! are you trying to DELIBERATELY TRAP SOMEONE INTO AN ACCIDENTAL COPYRIGHT VIOLATION? < 1592814052 190635 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1592814094 487894 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1592814171 620564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1592814334 290803 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it uses a webfont to display the icons < 1592814458 54514 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1592814474 470770 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1592814722 5906 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1592814737 968821 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1592814810 40632 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i've grown to like VAXen too much < 1592814812 290783 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I'll just write to their contact address < 1592814821 866788 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm contemplating geting a physical copy of the architecture manual < 1592814850 416036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: print one in a copy shop and spiral bind it < 1592814866 399685 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net PART :#esoteric < 1592814872 521468 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but real thing is more fun (and probably cheaper if I get it alongside a bunch of other manuals) > 1592814873 406635 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Farnsworth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74215&oldid=74214 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+24) 10Fixed code tags. < 1592814938 680629 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :found an offer that includes PDP-11 manuals alongside it which is a fun bonus < 1592814993 91645 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1592815010 977849 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1592815027 994814 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if I plan to use any of the manuals for extended periods of time i'll probably print-shop it to protect the manuals < 1592815032 556257 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1592815091 476926 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :architecture itself has turned out to be really fun to work with < 1592815099 927167 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not so much to emulate tho D:) > 1592815290 849709 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tandem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74216&oldid=73988 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (-13) 10Example sections: make more consistent and remove excessively deep nesting. < 1592817729 357388 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1592817958 775529 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1592818002 965270 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Klaus14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74217 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+492) 10Created page with "=== Declarative paradigm, really? === I think this language is miscategorized as declarative -- it's described in terms of statements, instructions, loading integers into reg..." > 1592818568 574752 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MAWP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74218&oldid=74173 5* 03Dion 5* (+1956) 10 > 1592818569 234308 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Klaus/Dense14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74219 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+300) 10Created page with "=== Exclamation points or periods? === The text consistently states that a track ends in an exclamation point, but in the example programs the tracks consistently end with pe..." > 1592819050 834455 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74220&oldid=63901 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+36) 10Fix computational class. < 1592819220 817913 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1592819235 546305 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1592819301 857070 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BitBitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74221&oldid=50709 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+0) 10Whatever it is, it's not an LBA. Fix cat. < 1592819492 476584 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1592819508 512058 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1592819555 75058 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071mpr0mp214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74222&oldid=73031 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+17) 10Fix computational class in infobox. < 1592819820 930239 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1592819838 31931 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1592820092 146309 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1592820109 208626 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1592820236 433795 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74223&oldid=21609 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (-1) 10Fix computational class. < 1592821321 13474 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1592821335 402115 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1592821533 844643 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BitBitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74224&oldid=70053 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+1332) 10 < 1592821593 146670 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1592821606 939780 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1592822520 885821 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1592822534 928478 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1592822793 105259 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1592822810 454117 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1592822839 464918 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1592822876 935976 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1592823074 408285 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1592823223 370567 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74225&oldid=73879 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+131) 10+see also Special:Categories < 1592823490 587070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric > 1592823503 223250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74226&oldid=74225 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+162) 10Note a point of site policy regarding caregories. < 1592824320 897341 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1592824336 204689 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1592824592 279101 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1592824608 983931 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1592824882 304023 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tandem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74227&oldid=74216 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+39) 10+cat > 1592825134 806992 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Enigma-2D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74228&oldid=72882 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+0) 10Fix cat (I haven't actually checked computational class though) > 1592825154 182677 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Morsefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74229&oldid=72873 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+0) 10Fix cat (I haven't actually checked computational class though) > 1592825213 904133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wishmaster14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74230&oldid=72909 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+0) 10Fix cat (without arguing about the computational class) < 1592825522 607177 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1592825644 971895 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1592825645 320562 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1592825666 976109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Register Automaton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74231&oldid=74127 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+0) 10Fix cat (I haven't actually checked computational class though) > 1592825702 485529 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EGSHEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74232&oldid=70778 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (-1) 10Fix cat > 1592826308 751828 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Burro/TM2Burro.hs14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74233&oldid=73511 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+22) 10+cat > 1592826989 165637 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74234&oldid=70383 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+236) 10/* BSM */ Approve vote, sort of < 1592827199 123143 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: rain1: on that minpoly algorithm, if you wish to review its description, here it is: https://github.com/leovt/constructible/issues/4 maybe if it’s incomprehensible your advice would neat it up for the repo’s author < 1592827203 737213 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg < 1592827206 854366 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1592827258 714840 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 > 1592831239 159674 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DINAC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74235&oldid=72351 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+18) 10/* Glossary */ > 1592831264 233087 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DINAC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74236&oldid=74235 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-4) 10/* Subpages */ cat > 1592831540 285825 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MAWP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74237&oldid=74218 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+42) 10/* Version 0.1 */ > 1592831801 228575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BytFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74238&oldid=72127 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+80) 10/* New instructions */ cats.add(cats.Languages, cats.TuringComplete, cats.TuringTarpits); < 1592831820 826861 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1592831834 437794 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1592831907 177813 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Newbiefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74239&oldid=66953 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* Example Program */ cat < 1592831985 541506 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1592832092 593812 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1592832105 459555 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1592832142 290284 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74240&oldid=74091 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+17) 10/* F */ > 1592832315 459201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tandem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74241&oldid=74227 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+30) 10/* Computational class */ cat > 1592832568 51409 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Far14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74242&oldid=57490 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+161) 10/* External resources */ cats + copy refimpl < 1592832824 188150 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1592833608 290420 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Turing machine that writes a `1` onto its current tape cell, then moves the tape head left, then repeats this indefinitely, with the property that the tape has one more `1`s on it at each step. < 1592833625 372497 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/left/right I suppose < 1592833655 119935 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or turn the TM around 180 degrees < 1592834073 96900 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or start the infinite tape in the middle < 1592834111 951781 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so, what's interesting about this TM to you < 1592834340 486638 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a language, and you can't write a program that has this behaviour in that language, then that language isn't Turing-complete. < 1592834383 457614 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only observable behaviour being "it doesn't halt" < 1592834419 571349 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know who claims Turing machines have "observable behaviour" as distinct from "unobservable behaviour". < 1592834433 185391 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are terms from operational semantics, not computability. < 1592834449 1585 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1592834457 419559 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Turing machine is a mathematical object. < 1592834466 876767 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is telling me there are parts of it I can't look at? < 1592834476 170649 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1592834537 914128 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi arseniiv. < 1592834923 372123 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1592834989 561581 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: In Tandem (R | S) & (S | T) is also 0, because of the overlap (S). If this messes up distributivity, well, I don't know how to fix it atm. < 1592835109 582382 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could maybe make the overlap criteria based on what is actually matched (at "runtime") rather than the labels that appear at the patterns? < 1592835205 761365 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: my incomprehensible advice would be establishing denotation semantics formally in any manner you see fit, and then runtime behavior and allowed identities would follow :D < 1592835227 453106 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, also did I guess correctly that lα → α is not 1? < 1592835259 238443 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends, what is α there? < 1592835271 83922 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a string < 1592835280 847670 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and l any label) < 1592835526 529166 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... 1 is an artificial rule that somehow always matches and changes nothing. If we can assume l is actually in the program somewhere then 1 is something like: (l"" -> "" | l"a" -> "a" | l"b" -> "b" | etc ad infinitum) < 1592835571 142780 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I forgot about “always matches” part < 1592835592 604914 :Banana51!~user@unaffiliated/banana51 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.6 < 1592835600 233734 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if l had a value α, then succesfully applying lα → α would mark l as modified? < 1592835692 488480 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stacks don't really get marked as modified or not; it's more that rules are considered to have succeeded or failed to match. < 1592835819 211357 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1592836009 493970 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably try implementing it in Haskell and see if it clarifies anythign. < 1592836010 980375 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1592836069 240953 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. If a rule R, applied to the state s, first changes l from α to β and then from β to α (it has asteration somewhere inside), and a rule S (applied to s) changes l from α to γ, then what should happen when trying to apply R | S to s, in the deterministic mode? Should this raise an error or proceed normally? < 1592836248 783381 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimately I think I haven’t got yet what M(R) represents < 1592836333 331913 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((la -> b | lb -> a)* | la -> g) should be detected as non-deterministic, I think, yes. < 1592836391 202102 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :M(R) is the set of redexes for R. < 1592836454 929648 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably just call it that. < 1592836578 508361 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be pairs (label, string), right? < 1592836596 86617 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and then L(R) should be derivable from M(R)?) < 1592836623 991546 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1592836638 561322 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1592836809 329820 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it would be a set of pairs (label, string). (Or maybe it has to be a multiset? But basically yes.) < 1592836855 350850 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :L(R) is derivable statically from R -- it's just the set of labels that appear in the patterns in R. Unlike M(R) it doesn't depend on the state. < 1592836870 179475 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the state of the object being rewritten at any particular point in execution) < 1592836892 232540 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1592836909 24768 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-152-245-222.range86-152.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1592836953 482169 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: thanks < 1592837014 712322 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Thanks for asking these questions, it's making me think about how it could be explained better and where there might be gaps < 1592837037 145222 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll show you implementation I’ll end with, too < 1592837049 521415 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "Turing completeness", as I was taught it, is about whether a program can accept any language that can be recognized by a Turing machine. The Turing machine you gave neither accepts nor rejects any string, hence cannot be said to recognize any language particlularly well < 1592837083 58548 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I intend to write just the essential part, the runtime, without a parser and maybe without IO yet < 1592837897 630291 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: OK. There is a single TM that inputs a number in binary and accepts iff it is a prime number, no matter how large that number is. < 1592837924 554233 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a language and you can't write that TM in that language then that language isn't Turing complete. < 1592838078 509322 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1592838133 241457 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is that, sometimes, a language is claimed to be Turing complete, and often the counterexample is a very simple Turing machine. < 1592838369 127003 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, that I've seen the same misconceptions over and over about what makes a language Turing-complete, and I'm trying to come up with simple-to-understand counterexamples for them. > 1592838671 385558 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74243&oldid=69886 5* 0320kdc 5* (+23) 10/* Differences from Brainfuck */ Clarify the non-existence of - with information from the Boolfuck website. < 1592838677 40193 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: “In this mode, if M(Ri | Rj) contains more than one element, an unrecoverable error to the effect of "ambiguous rewrite choice presented" occurs.” => should it be dependent not on M(Ri | Rj) having many elements? It can contain many and still not indicate Ri and Rj change the same stack? < 1592838755 4227 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that needs to be rephrased significantly. < 1592838761 217158 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d say, if (l, αi) ∈ M(Ri) and (l, αj) ∈ M(Rj) with αi ≠ αj? < 1592838786 305659 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then the error) < 1592838925 507140 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If M(R) contains more than one match involving the same stack, there should be an error. > 1592838940 210832 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74244&oldid=74243 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10/* External resources */ cat < 1592839006 598516 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for conjunction, there would be 0 instead? > 1592839109 521792 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07If the question specifies that the number of the words should be less than 3, and the number of words in your answer is larger than 3, your answer is automatically wrong.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74245&oldid=70541 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+97) 10/* Syntax */ cats > 1592839124 711897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07If the question specifies that the number of the words should be less than 3, and the number of words in your answer is larger than 3, your answer is automatically wrong.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74246&oldid=74245 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10 < 1592839204 409438 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If M(Ri | Rj) is ambiguous, is M(Ri & Rj) = 0? Yes, I think so. < 1592839233 93077 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, is Ri & Rj = 0. Yes. < 1592839267 866311 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because L(Ri) intersect L(Rj) would never be empty in that case. > 1592839346 196332 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Iflang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74247&oldid=70155 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+171) 10cats + bold > 1592840072 574440 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:COVID-1914]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74248&oldid=71394 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+47) 10unsigned > 1592840191 602238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07COVID-1914]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74249&oldid=71393 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+110) 10/* Predecessor */ c a t s < 1592840353 555242 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1592840422 24498 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1592840551 277607 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Memescript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74250&oldid=73115 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+129) 10cats + wikitable + stub < 1592840714 68813 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An even better counterexample TM might be one that accepts only squarewords like "abcabc". If a language can't stand up to the pumping lemma for regular languages, it definitely isn't Turing-complete. < 1592840725 570911 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes > 1592840766 438629 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SoT14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74251&oldid=73527 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+48) 10 < 1592841043 972097 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1592841514 354328 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 > 1592842269 894608 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALT-414]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74252 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2303) 10Add ALT-4 > 1592842305 530721 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74253&oldid=74240 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10/* A */ + [[ALT-4]] > 1592842394 360590 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74254&oldid=74111 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+81) 10/* Languages */ > 1592842539 171437 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74255&oldid=74226 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+73) 10/* Concurrency */ move if needed < 1592842908 775826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1592842971 839752 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried my implementation with a push-down automaton example and it doesn’t halt :( > 1592843891 501763 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74256&oldid=74255 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10/* See Also */ > 1592843927 794197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07If the question specifies that the number of the words should be less than 3, and the number of words in your answer is larger than 3, your answer is automatically wrong.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74257&oldid=74246 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Syntax */ cat > 1592843965 596727 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nuts14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74258&oldid=71256 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-9) 10cat /* Links */ < 1592843991 719334 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah this is the error in the automaton itself :D < 1592844027 872271 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: see the last rule `Q0 -> 0 & I -> & O... -> Y` is applicable indefinitely at the end, so it applies < 1592844060 865373 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed it to `Q0 -> 2 & others` and that works like a charm < 1592844320 235209 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:7070:6e78:e036:4907 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1592844374 388722 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find my partial impl here: https://hatebin.com/gnbvdqgvrh (only rule DSL and runtime, no parser, no pragmas and no modes other than the deterministic one) > 1592845928 4123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Langlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74259&oldid=68708 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+109) 10/* halting problem solved */ cats > 1592846036 475814 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74260&oldid=72187 5* 0320kdc 5* (+959) 10/* Implementations */ Add a ByteByteJump truth-machine > 1592846039 873464 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!!Fuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74261&oldid=69346 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+74) 10/* Hello World */ CATS > 1592846137 471119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74262&oldid=74260 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-14) 10/* A colon semicolon */ fix > 1592846324 297995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74263&oldid=74262 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+54) 10/* Var=Bar */ add Varigen t.mach > 1592846517 818466 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74264&oldid=74263 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+36) 10/* JUMP */ ad binary > 1592846831 604948 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:NRSRSSOMN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74265&oldid=46385 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+55) 10unsigned > 1592846952 777379 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Quiney14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74266&oldid=54316 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2) 10/* Computational class */ cat; see talk for itpr > 1592847035 753880 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74267&oldid=74039 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+109) 10/* 1 */ > 1592847468 510306 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74268&oldid=74267 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+158) 10/* 110010000100110110010 */ < 1592847980 387191 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1592848271 663709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1592849111 240762 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that is not easy though. if the language doesn't fail on any of the trivial tests, most importantly if you can't implement it with a one-stack machine with finite control, nor can you simulate it with a program whose runtime is bound by a computable function of the input, then it's hard to prove that the language is not Turing-complete < 1592849161 654749 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some other stupid ways to fail, but they don't come up often about languages that people try to claim Turing-complete > 1592849375 164681 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByte14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74269&oldid=19147 5* 0320kdc 5* (+1894) 10Hypothetical construction of a ByteByteJump interpreter in ByteByte. < 1592849926 985563 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it a trademark violation to show the icons for the cc-by license to indicate that the content is under the cc-by-nc-nd 4.0 license? < 1592849967 939141 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's at least a sanity violation < 1592850054 728960 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :t20kdc: Yes, but I thought the Creative Commons icons are trademarked < 1592850153 739963 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ...well, https://creativecommons.org/policies#trademark is pretty explicitly a "yes" < 1592850224 923110 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe, I don't really care about the trademark violation here, but the misleading license indicator that may make someone think that the photo is distrib'd with a permissive license when it actually isn't < 1592850271 741157 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should either put the correct indicators or remove the circular icons entirely and leave only the descriptive text and link to license that's above it < 1592850307 315603 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I agree, they should do one of those two things. < 1592850331 537465 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the trademark violation means that they can be sued if they do not comply, I think. > 1592851401 335828 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MAWP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74270&oldid=74237 5* 03Dion 5* (+45) 10 < 1592851517 76180 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn’t ever read comments, I shouldn’t ever read comments, I shouldn’t ever read comments. period < 1592851517 218980 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“COMEFROM is alive and well, and very widely used. The only change made was that the marketing guys rebranded it as ‘exception handling’.” < 1592851540 161920 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially old comments < 1592852683 912706 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was 1205 olisted yet? < 1592852708 892318 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1592852713 419592 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1205 < 1592852716 811059 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1205: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1592853055 594292 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if any HTML viewing software (such as a web browser) has a table of contents function? < 1592853272 590571 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: hrm that's just wrong < 1592853421 452708 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: the sad truth is that come from is just a goto with the roles of labels and goto interchanged. Exceptions can be used to implement a limited form of goto. That is ignoring threaded INTERCAL, which does not match exception handling at all. < 1592853445 529673 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exceptions respect a form of dynamic scope; goto/come from don't. < 1592853500 44839 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is true is that various facets of unstructured programming are alive, more or less controlled. Exceptions are closer to the uncontrolled end of the spectrum than not. < 1592853692 940118 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes this role reversal is useful. I sometimes use COME FROM in assembly language programming. I implemented a COME FROM command in the MIXPC assembler because it can be useful for implementing jump tables. < 1592853693 163418 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had much stock in strictly structured programming ever since I saw how "forced" a lot of things are when you disallow unstructured constructs. < 1592853725 725439 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It will be compiled into code that use goto instead of come from) < 1592853751 974962 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of come from, what happened to aspect-oriented programming? < 1592853780 161088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that still a thing outside of property systems with update notifications/modifiers? < 1592853819 843353 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, I guess, event systems in general) < 1592853832 312799 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also think that unstructured constructs are useful in addition to structured constructs. < 1592853838 647701 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: hrm that's just wrong => exactly! < 1592854046 396416 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I would find some arguments against the precomposed unicode character … but I found only a meagre one (in many fonts it renders almost like plain ... concatenation of dots and that’s for many people is not good, they want more space, usually NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE < 1592854053 357501 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode … < 1592854054 357317 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2026 HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS] < 1592854060 317345 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my one < 1592854162 884539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I prefer ... in fixed width fonts, … is just too short. < 1592854173 508949 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :precomposed / plain / with narrow nbsp / with nbsp: … ... . . . . . . < 1592854196 860458 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, … in monospace makes me uncomfortable too < 1592854199 125489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the same reason, narrow nbsp = nbsp, of course < 1592854212 319972 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ait < 1592854218 769687 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why < 1592854219 879700 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And IRC is a monospace environment. < 1592854222 666962 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For me) < 1592854241 619402 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn’t get about narrow nbsp < 1592854243 772365 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this is a terminal < 1592854267 498862 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you just stated that they are same length < 1592854272 203970 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like ligatures in fixed width fonts; unfortunately 2600 used ligatures in fixed width fonts, I wrote to complain, and they said they didn't have that but if they did, indeed it shouldn't use ligatures in fixed width fonts, but they still didn't fix it, anyways. < 1592854286 620510 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: they are indistinguishable :P < 1592854309 670366 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, monospace fonts screw us both on part of … and \.\s\.\s\. < 1592854325 112443 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if … was a wide character (which, for some reason, do exist. Japanese and Chinese are too popular I guess.) < 1592854335 851362 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yep space isn’t even a grapheme as there are no strokes :D < 1592854360 514314 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you didn't use Unicode and use a better character set for fixed width text on grid based displays, can be better < 1592854364 692650 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And they don't break the invariant that each character has a corresponding integer cursor position) < 1592854378 545684 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe if … was a wide character (which, for some reason, do exist. Japanese and Chinese are too popular I guess.) => this is actually a very good proposal < 1592854412 147059 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Could you stop with these purely hypothetical exercises that assume some kind of better world... < 1592854429 913977 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was making a better character set for this purpose. < 1592854488 31538 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is a blessing, because it's seeing so broad adaptation. We don't need the n+1st standard that throws us back into the heterogenic past where non-ASCII messages never looked the same for sender and receiver. < 1592854497 356984 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend had an intention to make a better encoding once, but then they stopped for some reason < 1592854518 522233 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with Unicode they don't always are the same, especially with different versions sometimes < 1592854528 469917 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as if they change the width of the characters) < 1592854532 834968 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emoji: the bane of unicode < 1592854543 417782 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: What was their use of the better encoding? < 1592854559 136591 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think that different encodings can be good for different uses; you can't have one good for everything) < 1592854565 92363 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: there are also all those arabic ligatures before they learned better < 1592854566 288589 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(soon in your nearest movie theater) < 1592854588 385895 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Unicode is firmly in the "good enough" category in my book. < 1592854614 121215 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, actually I thought one of arguments against … precompose would be “that’s outdated like ā” < 1592854620 254371 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, emoji is bane of Unicode too. One thing Unicode is workable for (although emoji doesn't help it, and other things also don't help so much) is for searching many documents in many languages, although someone on this IRC suggested before "Duocode", which might be even a bit better too > 1592854643 710567 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Generic 2D Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74271&oldid=68873 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+174) 10/* Examples */ cats < 1592854646 240283 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm I don’t particularly remember but they intended to make it cover at least a part of CJK I think < 1592854680 920417 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an intent to use scoped modes in the text for different sub-encodings, which is all I still remember < 1592854687 362101 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you do use Unicode, simply specifying the character code as "Unicode" is actually insufficient, for a few reasons (one of them being han unification). < 1592854850 591496 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric : all those arabic ligatures before they learned better => BTW also Turkish İ and ı which pair with ASCII i and I respectively. Poor choice for implementability of text algorithms < 1592854924 427794 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the better one would be maybe to add duplicate non-ASCII i and I. I know it adds to characters many can misplace but but but) < 1592854988 967127 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I’m very glad I don’t write in languages that use letters which are represented by these codepoints < 1592855003 810657 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately < 1592855056 327098 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own is UTCS, which is designed only for fix pitch text, although there are wide characters. There is both a 8-bit encoding and a 16-bit encoding. Both encodings are compatible with ASCII, and you can determine the widths of characters using a simple rule (no need for long tables). < 1592855096 516361 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The width of a character is simply the sum of the widths of the bytes that make it up (or, in the case of the 16-bit encoding, the sum of the widths of those 16-bit units).) < 1592855152 98776 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The widths of bytes are: 0x00-0x1F and 0x7F = undefined, 0xC0-0xFF = zero, 0x20-0x7E and 0x80-0xBF = one. < 1592855175 20295 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: even the emoji are probably a good thing, because the ideal alternative world where nobody embeds emojis inside text messages just doesn't exist. this way, such messages can be exchanged between different vendors and look more or less the same < 1592855219 81691 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't look the same; the icons they use are different, even though they are similar, even the minor differences sometimes they call it a problem. < 1592855229 104477 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"more or less" < 1592855240 56939 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode . . . < 1592855240 794999 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+002E FULL STOP] [U+202F NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE] [U+002E FULL STOP] [U+202F NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE] [U+002E FULL STOP] < 1592855244 987517 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesh < 1592855263 207284 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I added this simulacrum to my AutoHotkey script) < 1592855295 830708 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned here that "invisible plus" is a thing < 1592855311 921937 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this way, such messages can be exchanged between different vendors and look more or less the same => yeah, though that leaves much space for grumblings anyway < 1592855316 128509 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still fail to understand why anybody would ever need that < 1592855330 596753 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, “a woman with bunny ears? really??” < 1592855346 831647 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: compromises everywhere < 1592855349 667116 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote invisible times < 1592855350 555093 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :990) "May you live in INVISIBLE TIMES." --Old Chinese proverb. (It can look confusing when written with the proper Unicode.) < 1592855363 99364 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ^ though you know that probably way earlier < 1592855416 83973 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes that’s really the one mature thing to say (and think), but boooriiing (no) < 1592855433 215970 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand but many don’t < 1592855510 826151 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: The same is true for all the things that are missing... no smiley with dollar symbol eyes? (I think. It's hard to be sure.) < 1592855514 142954 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: like I said, with the turkish i, we're screwed no matter what we did. Even if you had a time machine to go all the way back before telegraphs and bribed every single inventor, there's nothing you could do to handle both the latin iI and the turkish iİıI sanely, short of murdering Kemal Atatürk so his alphabet never spreads. < 1592855543 24483 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe Disney would sue the Unicode consortium over this.) < 1592855571 68895 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything else, including the various cyrillic alphabets and vietnamese etc, can be fixed, but turkish i versus the rest of the world is just hopeless. < 1592855586 535652 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a version of xterm that supports the DEC technical character set directly rather than using Unicode? (You can select the DEC technical character set, but it internally converts to Unicode for font lookup, which results in some characters being missing.) < 1592855734 855872 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: here it is 🤑 < 1592855736 119103 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know, I don't use xterm anymore (I have it installed as a fallback just in case urxvt becomes broken somehow and I need a terminal to reinstall urxvt). I didn't notice any missing characters, but if there are, you can probably modify the lookup tables in the source code of the terminal emulators to fix that. < 1592855745 56518 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite thing related to the turkish I is the php bug that made it nearly unusable in turkish locales < 1592855746 901650 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, I do have the DEC technical snowman. < 1592855778 691856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🤑 < 1592855780 153534 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1F911 MONEY-MOUTH FACE] < 1592855792 94982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a great description. < 1592855806 659477 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully it either renders on your side with a good font or doesn’t at all. At my side it’s quite terrifying black-white. In Telegram it was way nicer < 1592855814 892499 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah < 1592855835 384411 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've realized that it's "MONEY" < 1592855909 355998 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, what php did was to lowercase every class and interface name for classloading purposes. even the included ones. this results in "class Foo implements Iterator" to try loading ıterator which it fails to find < 1592855917 139015 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the characters are not even in Unicode, so I want to convert internally to UTCS instead, which does include all of the characters in all DEC terminals, Atari, Apple, Commodore, Infocom, PC, etc. < 1592855963 918472 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is so far my specification: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/utce < 1592855994 710120 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I like about xterm is it uses bitmap fonts, so they aren't fuzzy < 1592856217 43686 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I am typing in an urxvt with my bitmap font right now (except some characters that are in neither of the two fonts I've chosen, like some emojis, might use vector fonts as a substitute, but these don't come up much on #esoteric ) < 1592856511 81991 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these don't come up much on #esoteric => 🤔 < 1592856559 864524 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: that appears as just a double-width box, so no problem < 1592856621 634637 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my computer it appears as a single-width box. < 1592856761 133781 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1592856801 612966 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I don’t intend to use emoji on IRC as my client/OS is bad at them < 1592856832 738762 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also input < 1592857566 935880 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1592857882 58302 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74272&oldid=74268 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1462) 10/* 110010000100110110010 */ > 1592858282 505230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoKit/EsoKit.ek.math.mm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74273&oldid=45051 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+16) 10 > 1592858350 107235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoKit/EsoKit.nsi.io14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74274&oldid=45047 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+17) 10 < 1592859563 526157 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1592859995 250820 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