< 1591401737 58392 :Antebrationist!ca9a8773@202-154-135-115.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1591401747 339979 :Antebrationist!ca9a8773@202-154-135-115.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello again. < 1591401825 554847 :Antebrationist!ca9a8773@202-154-135-115.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody know of a Python single-function brainfuck interpreter; Namely, one which takes a string of "+-<>[]" as input, assumes all inputs using , to be 0 and outputs, as a string, the STDOUT of the program? < 1591402054 865265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I like the last eight octets of your IPv6 address. < 1591402064 577280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very oerjany. Maybe intentionally? < 1591402115 259018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's a human who hasn't been around in a bit. < 1591402145 247880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several months, actually, hm. < 1591403024 68428 :adu!~arobbins@c-73-129-154-238.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1591406254 630044 :Antebrationist!ca9a8773@202-154-135-115.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1591409104 10068 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1591410024 154643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1591410186 34381 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zbbyohcljagkubii PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan hasn't been? > 1591411181 444663 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73300&oldid=62279 5* 03Voltage2007 5* (+42) 10 < 1591412890 471319 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:5d06:7e3f:10fc:753d JOIN :#esoteric < 1591413207 392178 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:5d06:7e3f:10fc:753d QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1591416139 43021 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:5d06:7e3f:10fc:753d JOIN :#esoteric < 1591416408 101936 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:5d06:7e3f:10fc:753d QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1591419732 635430 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a bug in Ghostscript with printobject, where sometimes it writes array elements in the wrong order. < 1591420468 235794 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1591420529 373799 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1591420660 433697 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:AC0101014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=73301 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+196) 10Created page with "== Welcome, I guess == Welcome! Please sign your comments with four tildes:
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(>>) . f) t < 1591444528 397151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I don't think that's an improvement. < 1591444562 67194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also it should've been >>= but that hardly matters.) < 1591444786 804617 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \d w -> f d >>= t d w < 1591444787 171616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap ((.) . (>>=) . f) t < 1591444797 493992 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it didn't < 1591445584 203929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. I wanted to do something XInput-related in my XMonad configuration, but the XMonad handleEventHook is in terms of Graphics.X11.Xlib.Extras.Event, which is a "processed" form of the raw XEvent and doesn't have support for extensions. It will just get turned into the fallback "AnyEvent", and all the interesting bits are discarded. < 1591445878 881671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, fizzie is doing Haskell? < 1591445894 90061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using i3 nowadays and it works pretty well. What a silly language Haskell is. < 1591445908 664054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strictly only ever touch it when fiddling with XMonad. < 1591446066 779486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I'm working from home, there's a lot more swapping of monitors for the work laptop, so I wrote a moderately clever and flexible AutoRandr module, which went pretty well. It talks to Xrandr directly, parses EDID data, and tries to find a matching configuration. < 1591446123 192214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inspired by that, I was now looking at also hooking in keyboard layout configuramation when XInput events happen, but that seems a little nastier. I may just fall back to the tiny "inputplug" program instead of integrating it to the window manager. < 1591446213 139751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ix.io/2opR -- see, doesn't that look quite acceptable? < 1591446278 501341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, I did cheat a little in that I do the reconfiguring through the xrandr CLI, rather than talking to the extension directly. I promise there was a good reason for that, I just forgot what it was.) < 1591446298 124590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a program that monitors keyboard layout change events and a bunch of other things: https://slbkbs.org/tmp/statustext.c < 1591446340 931921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It just prints text to the status bar, though.) < 1591446362 102392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of recently I got wireless headphones, and it doesn't detect when I turn them on or off, and keeps displaying the volume for the old device. I don't think the ALSA exposes the thing I want, so I might have to switch to pulseaudio. < 1591446387 232051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But having written a small amount of pulseaudio code I'm really not looking forward to that. < 1591446416 996993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back to pulseaudio, after going through OSS -> ALSA -> pulseaudio -> ALSA -> pulseaudio so far. < 1591446452 425475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That randrConfig looks quite acceptable, though there's no reason for it to be in the window manager, is there? < 1591446482 616644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, other than a perverse joy of nudging XMonad closer and closer to a DE. < 1591446518 959284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant switching to the pulseaudio API for getting volume information. < 1591446523 697798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already using pulseaudio. < 1591446568 224585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. Well, yeah. My volume control XMonad keybindings are now more or less defunct, because they were written for the ALSA API and would probably do the wrong thing. < 1591446582 66664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But there's a physical volume knob in the external USB DAC, which is the only audio output device I use, so it's kind of moot.) < 1591446609 89895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a pulseaudio program to set the volume. It was a real maze of callbacks. < 1591446624 912713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's just for the simplest task. < 1591446769 835745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I jammed up my C argument parser so you can specify things explicitly instead of parsing description strings. < 1591446777 281427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is more verbose but probably better? < 1591446845 66497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds plausible. < 1591446947 280984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you specify arguments like MOP_OPT(&mop, .name = "verbose", .short_name = 'v', .help = "verbose mode") { printf("increasing verbosity\n"); } > 1591446988 791552 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071.114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73305&oldid=73288 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+34) 10Fix typo and add interpreter < 1591446990 220283 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is there a way to give multiple alternative spellings/abbreviations for the long name? because I sort of think that long options are hard to design well without that. < 1591447001 290388 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that in most programs it's easier to just stick to short options < 1591447013 50542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, not currently. < 1591447033 574699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a `--helpfull` flag that's actually less helpful than `--help`? < 1591447038 136169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could add that but I'm unlikely to use it. < 1591447042 22227 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how do you specify whether the option has an argument in that? > 1591447048 747266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73306&oldid=73156 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+10) 10 < 1591447054 64784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not planning to go the way of gflags. < 1591447063 251783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Currently with .wants_optarg = true < 1591447087 222625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See https://slbkbs.org/tmp/mop/mop.h < 1591447088 784079 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, that probably uses the weird syntax --help --verbose < 1591447089 150329 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if you make a file upload progress bar with rails and ajax things won't work, i mainly just idle on my other computer has 32 megs of ram < 1591447096 848625 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1591447098 525243 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^^ < 1591447126 340555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Where have you been hiding another computer in? < 1591447126 644838 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: uh. openoffice help neglects to list one part of the course, and one mutex ( for committing optimistic concurrency logs) < 1591447136 202664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So evasive. < 1591447160 510583 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean, except in some programs that really have a lot of options, the point of long options is just that it may be easier to remember/guess the option name, but that works well only if the program accepts multiple alternatives < 1591447184 215648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the point of long options is that it's easier to read an invocation of a command that uses them. < 1591447194 399438 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ok < 1591447208 920524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm wondering if there are many programs that will accept any unique abbreviation of an argument. < 1591447217 320418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, maybe the thing you said is also the point, but I don't really want people to be guessing options. < 1591447220 820894 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sadly yes < 1591447238 857765 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and that can cause backward compatibility failure when a later version adds an option < 1591447241 409027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some option parsing libraries that will take any unambiguous prefix of a long option. That doesn't seem like a great idea to me. < 1591447247 69356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the reason b_jonas said. < 1591447263 170723 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gnu's getopt_long actually does that by default < 1591447280 187684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, so it does! < 1591447284 919506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow didn't know that. < 1591447298 931377 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :silently < 1591447300 161359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/ls --versi < 1591447301 139053 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls (GNU coreutils) 8.30 \ Copyright (C) 2018 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later . \ This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. \ \ Written by Richard M. Stallman and David MacKenzie. < 1591447308 206552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I wasn't expecting it to be *that* common. < 1591447312 436601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that version sort? < 1591447320 338676 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ls -v ? < 1591447334 661043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/ls --ve < 1591447335 646679 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls (GNU coreutils) 8.30 \ Copyright (C) 2018 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later . \ This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. \ \ Written by Richard M. Stallman and David MacKenzie. < 1591447364 452588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/ls --r < 1591447365 315491 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: option '--r' is ambiguous; possibilities: '--reverse' '--recursive' \ Try '/bin/ls --help' for more information. < 1591447367 260219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why /bin/ls, given that ls isn't a shell builtin. < 1591447375 672164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I just copied it from you. < 1591447381 27834 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` type ls < 1591447381 393678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I don't know why I did it. < 1591447382 76099 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls is /hackenv/bin/ls < 1591447383 703402 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that's why < 1591447385 879499 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also with sed < 1591447393 821908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a good point! < 1591447395 318609 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I keep writing /bin/cat because I'm afraid that someone will override that too < 1591447410 794087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls --ve < 1591447411 812201 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls (GNU coreutils) 8.30 \ Copyright (C) 2018 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later . \ This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. \ \ Written by Richard M. Stallman and David MacKenzie. < 1591447414 434045 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang has a lot of incompatible shadowed commands, they're annoying, I hate them < 1591447424 669811 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` /bin/w < 1591447425 772327 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /bin/w: No such file or directory < 1591447430 150660 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` /usr/bin/w < 1591447430 678184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if they're *that* incompatible. < 1591447431 42365 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 12:43:50 up 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 \ USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT < 1591447439 30723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, that one definitely is. < 1591447451 461488 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the worst one < 1591447478 729418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 /usr/bin/w < 1591447482 246990 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2: 12:44:39 up 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 \ USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT \ 12:44:39 up 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 \ USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT \ 12:44:39 up 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 \ USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT \ 12:44:39 up 0 min, 0 users, load avera < 1591447543 546469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How wise. < 1591447555 654193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wise < 1591447556 922131 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uninstalling software installed by the Wise Installation Wizard is unwise. It's neither clockwise nor counterclockwise nor otherwise. < 1591447572 120954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Unix commands didn't want to be shadowed, they shouldn't have occupied such prime namespace. < 1591447577 705396 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides ls and sed, cc is also one that annoys me < 1591447579 110264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that in wisdom? < 1591447583 835343 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, w is excusable < 1591447591 735970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to delete it but I feel like maybe I tried that before and someone reverted it. < 1591447603 247012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added it originally. < 1591447621 899734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` type cc < 1591447622 753991 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc is /hackenv/bin/cc < 1591447628 378771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cbt cc < 1591447628 984899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does make me smile, which from the KonMari perspective suggests it should stay there? < 1591447629 349914 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$@" | sed 's/\\n/\n/g' | gcc -w -Wfatal-errors -std=c11 -O2 -x c - -o /tmp/a.out && /tmp/a.out < 1591447653 942224 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly I installed /hackenv/bin/hello which also shadows a gnu utility incompatibly < 1591447668 118312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, what's bin/cc about? Bizarro mode 12,000. < 1591447682 433990 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis cc < 1591447687 392874 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc(1hackeso) - no description < 1591447711 760329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a very poor man's copy of ##c's `,cc`, I think. < 1591447731 260205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I actually do help autogeneration or is it not worth the trouble? < 1591447802 726869 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1591447844 506126 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand ones like man and wget < 1591447848 312617 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, paste is another offender < 1591447850 844659 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`type -a paste < 1591447851 534989 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :type? No such file or directory < 1591447854 198894 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` type -a paste < 1591447855 107724 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste is /hackenv/bin/paste \ paste is /usr/bin/paste < 1591447857 398252 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ no relations to each other > 1591447870 333660 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Examinable Invocation Vector14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73307&oldid=65707 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-10) 10unpipe cross-namespace link < 1591447877 553626 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis nooodl: < 1591447878 415589 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl:(1hackeso) - noooooo description < 1591447905 707702 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have I sleepadded that, or has someone else been using addwhatis? < 1591448135 502601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg cat -r 11847 /hackenv/share/whatis | grep -i ooo # I sleepadded that < 1591448136 878430 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl:(1hackeso) - noooooo description \ rnooodl(1hackeso) - no description < 1591448141 597345 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no idea what that actually does < 1591448166 469610 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nooodl nooodl < 1591448167 674440 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl? No such file or directory < 1591448188 192772 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it has a colon < 1591448198 980692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo nooodl | rnooodl < 1591448199 861196 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooodl < 1591448202 174121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo nooodl | rnooodl < 1591448203 93190 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooodl < 1591448210 558070 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nooodl: hello < 1591448211 986936 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1591448222 921542 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hello | nooodl: < 1591448223 748859 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1591448226 653040 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hello < 1591448227 561798 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, world < 1591448232 877352 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` type -a nooodl: < 1591448233 847764 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooodl: is /hackenv/bin/nooooodl: < 1591448242 481115 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat /hackenv/bin/nooodl: < 1591448243 561538 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ELF............>.....(......@....... ..........@.8. .@.........@.......@.......@.......h......h..................................................................................................................... ....... ....... ...... 9...... 9.....................`.......`.......`..................................................P..................................................... < 1591448248 516893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The colon version seems to be not particularly useful. < 1591448254 848015 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo noodle | rnooodl < 1591448256 161656 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :noodle > 1591448258 688768 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Finite-state mach... wait, WHAT!?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73308&oldid=68858 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-29) 10/* References */ rm redtemplate < 1591448266 176380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need at least three o's to trigger that. < 1591448267 554320 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it need three o's to trigger? < 1591448268 585217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l /hackenv/bin/nooodl: < 1591448269 554651 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 9 Jul 8 2017 /hackenv/bin/noooodl: -> /bin/echo < 1591448284 935813 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nooodl: hellooo wooorld nooodl < 1591448287 908011 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellooo wooorld nooodl < 1591448295 349557 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was two, so that a simple noodle would already be enlarged. < 1591448308 487440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dobg rnooodl < 1591448310 685127 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :8518:2016-06-17 ` hg cat -r 5060d5af0b98 bin/rnooodl >bin/rnooodl \ 8202:2016-05-29 sed -i s/w/wW/ bin/rnooodl \ 8198:2016-05-29 mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe \'s/([^w\\W])\\1\\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge\' \ 8197:2016-05-29 mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe \'s/([^w\\w])\\1\\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge\' \ 8196:2016-05-29 mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe \'s/(\\w)\\1\\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge\' \ 8195:2016 < 1591448311 494735 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's three, luckily. and I hate it even this way. < 1591448334 879339 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it because it makes ``` not output partial lines after a timeout < 1591448337 610145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The colon thing is kind of odd. I guess it does "integrate" with the rnooodl call in `` though. < 1591448341 251447 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be fixed by a better program, but ouch < 1591448352 801689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember when rnooodl would take any letter rather than just os? That was so good. < 1591448376 619517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` nooodl: This is a thing that should get rnooodlified. Maybe best to add another nooodle to be sure. < 1591448377 419282 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a thing that should get rnooooooooodlified. Maybe best to add another nooodle to be sure. < 1591448386 93157 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should just ln -s /bin/cat /hackenv/bin/rnooodl < 1591448413 518547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dobg nooodl: < 1591448420 859127 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2787:2013-04-23 ln -s /bin/echo bin/nooodl: < 1591448426 369463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well then. < 1591448495 91131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I support getting rid of that one, and also rnoooodl in general if you feel like it, but I'm also tolerant enough of nonsense to not mind it's there. < 1591448547 815944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it doesn't touch multiocular o's. < 1591448560 386264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also annoying, I found what I think is likely to be a copy of the Minecraft world some #esoteric people also contributed to, but couldn't immediately figure out how to convert it to something that could be viewed (it's pretty old), and now I've lost it *again*. < 1591448590 948758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I distinctly remember thinking "well, this is not the optimal place to put this, it might get lost, but I'll get back to this the next day so it's probably fine". < 1591448607 930936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. < 1591448656 895189 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I dislike is that `` and ``` uses rnooodl < 1591448661 772107 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be fine with `w using it > 1591448671 918701 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lazy expander14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73309&oldid=69877 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-10) 10unpipe > 1591448688 552272 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Transceternal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73310&oldid=66600 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-10) 10unpipe cross-namespace link > 1591448700 302106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Functional()14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73311&oldid=67947 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-10) 10unpipe cross-namespace link < 1591448705 643322 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( b_jonas is not a pastafarian ) > 1591448728 884288 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Happy Fantasy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73312&oldid=71415 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-10) 10unpipe cross-namespace link > 1591448744 285379 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Halt halt halt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73313&oldid=71446 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-10) 10unpipe cross-namespace link < 1591448746 927155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, I gotta get back to my SAT solver. < 1591448761 946089 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1591448768 332468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is Luby restarts. Do you like this? < 1591448808 873373 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PART #esoteric :"AMBIVALENT CHICKEN" < 1591448809 83816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1591448860 318439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. < 1591448862 981270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1591448913 478508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should at least rewrite rnooodl to make it able to output anything immediately, except in the one case where the input ends in "noood" or "Noood" in which case it should use a small timeout to wait for a possible "l" < 1591448932 273592 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even in that case the output would be missing only the trailing "d" > 1591448944 72052 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Insanity14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73314&oldid=72961 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10/* Program structure */ specify < 1591448948 691614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cbt rnooodl < 1591448949 887181 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' < 1591448969 290659 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is that even possible? Isn't the bigger problem that a lot of programs start buffering when writing to a pipe? < 1591448978 913829 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1591448983 245678 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` stty < 1591448984 286009 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :stty: 'standard input': Inappropriate ioctl for device < 1591448990 300936 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stty < 1591448991 234458 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :stty: 'standard input': Inappropriate ioctl for device < 1591449000 682135 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's not an issue for HackEso. < 1591449006 120108 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that certainly happens, yes, but I often run commands that I write with ``` and in those I can flush the output explicitly < 1591449081 81013 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` < 1591449082 158546 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :436) You realise the micromanagement it took to make quintopia encrust my silver throne with emeralds rather than a jug? < 1591449089 412684 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, I didn't know `` with no args did that < 1591449121 261956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To many, high-end Ethernet cables are still a controversial subject. While plenty of experiments have proven to me that their influence is not imaginary, it sure is annoying that, so far, we have not been able to come up with a proper scientific explanation for why these cables can alter the sound." < 1591449148 100885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In a review for a 750€ Ethernet cable.) < 1591449201 920779 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it's pipes anyway. < 1591449205 861238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : "There are some theories, though, and the one I personally think is plausible is that it is not the music stream itself that is affected but rather the influence of noise that travels along and subsequently influences circuits downstream." < 1591449224 797357 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stat /proc/self/1 < 1591449225 827507 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :stat: cannot stat '/proc/self/1': No such file or directory < 1591449226 750932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is starting to sound like water memory. < 1591449230 349370 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stat /proc/self/fd/1 < 1591449231 209199 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File: /proc/self/fd/1 -> pipe:[221] \ Size: 64 Blocks: 0 IO Block: 1024 symbolic link \ Device: 4h/4d Inode: 224 Links: 1 \ Access: (0300/l-wx------) Uid: ( 1000/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 1000/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2020-06-06 13:13:50.615096204 +0000 \ Modify: 2020-06-06 13:13:50.615096204 +0000 \ Change: 2020-06-06 13:13:50.615096204 +0000 \ Birth: - < 1591449274 916131 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the people who buy expensive Ethernet cables also buy more expensive sound equipment? < 1591449279 59984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an intentional pipe in there. < 1591449326 8465 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, audiophilantry is highly esoteric. < 1591449344 181490 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(audiophily is the proper word) < 1591449371 558558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/umlbox/blob/master/init.c#L199 < 1591449372 484349 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :audophilia may be better < 1591449387 766977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite remember all the rationale. < 1591449423 268196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the thinking was, some programs might switch to output formats more friendly for IRC when piped. < 1591449450 173193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a controversial topic. < 1591449485 97593 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, plausible enough reason. < 1591449518 520958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind, I just didn't know (or quite possibly, forgot because it hardly ever matters). > 1591449524 632130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Finite-state mach... wait, WHAT!?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73315&oldid=73308 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-10) 10unpipe cross-namespace link > 1591449874 667494 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Elevated Parser14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73316&oldid=71933 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Addition */ < 1591450492 502251 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric > 1591452445 793125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73317&oldid=73302 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10 > 1591452529 893454 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73318&oldid=73300 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10unpipe cross-namespace link +Cats > 1591452596 875647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TM operator14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73319&oldid=45594 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10cat > 1591454486 432993 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TWiRQ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73320&oldid=16260 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+21) 10 > 1591454560 158766 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TWiRQ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73321&oldid=73320 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+77) 10deadlang < 1591457318 84876 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1591458167 566625 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: Get off my lawn! (It just started raining outside ;-) (And actually there's pavement there but who wants to be picky.)) < 1591458205 558162 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1591461235 37104 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1591462041 110650 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.193 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1591462713 46394 :adu!~arobbins@c-73-129-154-238.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1591464055 961340 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1591464909 219277 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to rephrase. fungot, what are the *primal* factors of 1536 ? < 1591464931 408906 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's like deja vu all over again. if you do randomization, then why bother making this at all < 1591464938 853981 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect if Ethernet cables alter the sound, it might be due to interference which causes some data to get lost. So, it might have to do with the codec. < 1591464966 575822 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1591464971 572870 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know if that is true or not, anyways. < 1591464985 554300 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with a driver on Win32 < 1591465069 233182 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although I don't think the driver on Win32 has to do with the physical cable. < 1591465650 21702 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1591466138 188823 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to fix a bug in Ghostscript, having to do with the printobject and writeobject operators. < 1591466421 606664 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also annoying, I found what I think is likely to be a copy of the Minecraft world some #esoteric people also contributed to, but couldn't immediately figure out how to convert it to something that could be viewed (it's pretty old), and now I've lost it *again*. => oh < 1591466432 824961 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version was it approximately if you remember? < 1591466495 54443 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted the bug report, but have gotten no reply yet; I am trying to see if I can fix it by myself, although since I have not signed the Artifex contribution agreement, I cannot contribute patches. They may eventually fix it, but before then, anyone who uses it must apply the patches by themself. The printobject and writeobject operators are mostly implemented in PostScript, so it can be patched without needing to recompile Ghostscrip < 1591466703 263186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I imagine somewhere around 1.1. < 1591466894 142864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found something that might be it, and it's timestamped Oct 12 2011, so I guess that's actually still beta 1.9 then. < 1591467112 787916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The files are region/r.X.Y.mcr, which apparently definitely dates it to >= beta 1.3, < 1.2.1. < 1591467553 457882 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1591468072 504363 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:c5eb:4576:f85e:c9db QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1591468119 74302 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-95-129.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1591468210 60547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This world was last played in vesrion unknown; you are on version 1.15.2." Well, at least it's going to attempt to convert it. < 1591468318 313155 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I found something that might be it, and it's timestamped Oct 12 2011, so I guess that's actually still beta 1.9 then. => wow. I think I played only since 1.3 or something < 1591468339 342873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it loaded something. < 1591468344 138796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recognize the place though. < 1591468388 301836 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d think there would be something flat and redstony < 1591468420 676203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game also keeps on bugging out a little, every few seconds it changes my view 90 degrees. < 1591468470 198849 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1591468511 263409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it only happens if I move the mouse around. Weird. < 1591468553 345941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see that triangular staircase that goes all the way to the top of the sky, which I *think* was part of the shared thing. < 1591468572 60145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There wasn't anything particularly #esoteric about this, by the way, it was mostly just random chatting and silliness. < 1591468586 371705 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1591468624 969103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the incomplete zeppelin that I kinda-sorta remember. < 1591468674 119963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It'd be easier to navigate if I could look around without aiming directly upwards or downwards every few seconds.) < 1591468704 62192 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does reloading it help? < 1591468711 942632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I found a sign saying "<- civilization", I guess that's promising. < 1591468814 18924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also another street sign saying "Gregor's water castle", so this was *definitely* the #esoteric-associated one. < 1591468826 724863 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( and there is a portal right into Sid Meier’s Civilization ) < 1591469120 896447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has the same bug in a fresh newly created world, so I guess that's "fine". < 1591469219 805365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-144107 maybe. < 1591469316 786665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Rwa Input -> OFF workaround seems to have worked. < 1591469898 813538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the nether portal's translucent sheets are 90 degrees off. As in, if the portal frame is oriented like ----, the translucent sheets are ||. Looks pretty silly. < 1591469927 5892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the ladders no longer work. < 1591469948 558255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have alternating ladder/torch/ladder/torch and that was good enough for climbing, but apparently no longer. < 1591469987 82674 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: play a human or elf character instead of a goblin or dwarf or halfling < 1591469993 607136 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can reach the ladder < 1591470181 965206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just respawned. < 1591470198 71130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've found the Libmarine Subrary, and the Subree, and Vorpal's place. < 1591470216 78982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some fish, which I'm pretty sure didn't exist back then. < 1591470233 458091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some minecart stuff that almost certainly no longer works. < 1591470270 262277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( But where's the Tomb of the Jabberwacky? ) < 1591470280 277894 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric : We used to have alternating ladder/torch/ladder/torch and that was good enough for climbing, but apparently no longer. => economical :D < 1591470323 417530 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a list such as [1 2 [[3] [4] [[5] [6]] [7]] 8 [9] 10 [[11]] [12 13]] and need to convert to binary format such that each element of the list is stored consecutively; numbers store themself, while if the element is another list, it consists of a pointer to the beginning of the sublist and the length of the sublist (numbers and sublist pointers have the same length). < 1591470345 929374 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, it should be streamed, so that you do not have to go back and patch the data with the pointers. < 1591470353 170556 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to do this properly? < 1591470362 878622 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do you distinguish between a number and a list then? < 1591470397 719875 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The data type is also stored in each element. (There is the type, length, and value; the "length" field is not used for numbers.) < 1591470422 777935 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, there is a description of the format here: http://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/PostScript_binary_object_format < 1591470428 929186 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1591470486 250824 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghostscript has an implementation; its algorithm uses streaming like I mentioned, but enters incorrect pointers when you write nested arrays like my example. < 1591470573 142064 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: 1 < 1591470573 685065 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1 < 1591470576 892323 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1591470651 108609 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-95-129.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1591470781 386362 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand this? < 1591470819 984044 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1591470832 642295 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but I don't want to think of how to sovle it now < 1591470840 716009 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file called Resource/Init/gs_btokn.ps contains the implementation that Ghostscript uses (except the implementation of .bosobject which is written in C) < 1591471477 574874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beta 1.5: "The player can no longer climb ladders spaced every other block." < 1591471490 50123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it was older than I thought. < 1591473758 607949 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 > 1591473781 788194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TFNP14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=73322 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+6462) 10TFNP < 1591473824 719248 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1591473963 470205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh400/TFNP14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=73323 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+6462) 10TFNP > 1591473983 106384 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TFNP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73324&oldid=73322 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-6462) 10Blanked the page > 1591474046 988957 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73325&oldid=73306 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+37) 10/* Articles */ TFNP < 1591474316 431720 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:383b:582d:1eec:dbd9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1591474799 981769 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose we know z0, w0, z1 = r z0 + s, w1 = r w1 + s all complex, and we want to find r, s more or less accurately using floating point. I take r = (z1 − w1) / (z0 − w0), this seems to be the only way, but with s, it seems s = ((z1 + w1) − r (z0 + w0)) / 2 should be a tad more accurate than z1 − r z0 (or w1 − r w0). Is that founded? > 1591474868 261091 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh400/TFNP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73326&oldid=73323 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-22) 10Fix typos < 1591475069 630330 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1591476624 229114 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1591476703 771200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fungot outage is due to http://ix.io/2orY which doesn't sound great. > 1591476834 126861 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Treeng14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73327&oldid=69371 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+9) 10 < 1591478043 6296 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ain't good. < 1591478063 749401 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard drive failure looks like. < 1591478121 371389 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1591478357 94996 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1591478413 901427 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of one idea (which I will try a bit later), which is to make a temporary dictionary to record the offset of each array while they are being counted, or to store the offset in the operand stack together with the arrays. However, then it might fail if there are multiple references to the same array, unless I compensate for that too, by checking if the offset has already been recorded, and to skip if it has already been written. < 1591478436 153745 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1591478960 494757 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if it will work anyways; I have not tried it.) < 1591479591 880312 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1591481287 744643 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: I demand color codes in quit messages. Until that exists, /whowas grumble < 1591481422 547113 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1591482015 14096 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nijzhnrbczdabrlw QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1591482415 569268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[sde] 0 4096-byte logical blocks: (0 B/0 B)" < 1591482420 59772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a very small drive. < 1591482672 7493 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lvaxrhqnagstjgmc JOIN :#esoteric < 1591482933 876879 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruh roh < 1591483036 647015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least once I'd like to be retiring a hard drive in a way that I could just run scrub on it, instead of my usual half-assed data recovery mitigations (disassemble the drive, break the circuit board, use a metal file to scrub the platters, throw them away one by one in separate garbage bags). < 1591483540 367020 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's no fun < 1591483604 197267 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The method I described using the temporary dictionary seems to be working. < 1591483660 866114 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.193 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1591483780 533255 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1591483851 70197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another odd thing is, I've got in my backup script a thing that checks (via D-Bus) that org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.IdleHint is true, and .IdleSinceHint >= 2 hours. It used to work, but now it's started to consider the system to be never idle, and I have no idea how that value gets derived. < 1591484111 35639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All I know is it's systemd-logind that's providing that service, somehow.) < 1591484935 849462 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1591485036 66285 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1591485105 797380 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1591485277 796050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, I think I figured it out. Amazing. < 1591485809 961677 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1591486467 133210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record: I have a hotkey for a "terminal with a screen in it", and that somehow had a leftover from a previous login session started from within it. Or something along those lines. At least previously D-Bus introspection was showing a leftover "non-idle" session in "closing" state, now it's gone. < 1591487619 713040 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection