00:00:00 [[Clementine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72456&oldid=72455 * Orby * (+36) /* Translation from Underload into Clementine */ Bolding Clementine commands 00:01:32 [[Clementine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72457&oldid=72456 * Orby * (+4) Bolding clementine commands for readability 00:01:52 orbitaldecay: I haven't checked in detail, but it doesn't look wrong, at least 00:02:12 Okay, thanks. I'll go back over them as well. 00:03:25 Here is a custom Magic: the Gathering card that I found in a box with other card games: Sad Jester {UU} Creature - Human (0/1) ;; {WB}, {T}: Add {UU}. 00:04:16 [[Clementine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72458&oldid=72457 * Orby * (+6) /* Translation from Clementine into Underload */ Bolding more clementine commands 00:05:49 zzo38: that doesn't look like a very powerful card 00:06:54 Yes, it doesn't look that good to me either 00:10:17 Maybe it's better in the presence of other cards, like Festering Newt/Bogbrew Witch/Bubbling Cauldron. 00:10:55 there are creatures that tap to convert color, but I think they take just one mana as input 00:11:10 s/convert/filter/ 00:11:13 Yes. Although I looked and found a lot more custom cards too. 00:11:27 and some might take {1}... let me search 00:11:51 [[User:Salpynx/Pico]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72459&oldid=72340 * Salpynx * (+5162) now with full brainfuck IO support in 2 symbols. My brain does hurt now. 00:12:52 ``` card-by-name "Ceta Disciple" # a search finds a few 00:12:53 Ceta Disciple \ U \ Creature -- Merfolk Wizard \ 1/1 \ {R}, {T}: Target creature gets +2/+0 until end of turn. \ {G}, {T}: Add one mana of any color. \ AP-C 00:12:59 `card-by-name Fire Sprites 00:13:00 Fire Sprites \ 1G \ Creature -- Faerie \ 1/1 \ Flying \ {G}, {T}: Add {R}. \ LE-C, ME3-C 00:13:05 `card-by-name Helionaut 00:13:06 Helionaut \ 2W \ Creature -- Human Soldier \ 1/2 \ Flying \ {1}, {T}: Add one mana of any color. \ AP-C 00:13:18 `card-by-name Neera Disciple 00:13:19 No output. 00:13:20 Some seem a little bit too powerful, some seem a bit too less powerful, and some of them have effects that won't work or that are unclear. One of them says if it is tapped at the end of your turn, shuffle it into your library. It should probably be something like "At the beginning of each end step, if ~ is tapped, shuffle it into its owner's library." 00:14:23 `card-by-name Viridian Acolyte 00:14:24 Viridian Acolyte \ G \ Creature -- Elf Shaman \ 1/1 \ {1}, {T}: Add one mana of any color. \ DST-C 00:16:14 [[User:Salpynx/Pico]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72460&oldid=72459 * Salpynx * (+295) /* Hello World! */ source bf version of the code 00:18:49 -!- ornxka has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 00:20:00 -!- ornxka has joined. 00:30:38 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * UltimateProGrammer * New user account 00:33:22 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 00:34:04 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 00:34:44 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 00:35:11 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72461&oldid=72357 * UltimateProGrammer * (+274) Added my edit. 00:38:23 [[User:UltimateProGrammer]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72462 * UltimateProGrammer * (+325) Added everything. 00:40:47 -!- b_jonas has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:57:47 [[B^2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72463 * UltimateProGrammer * (+2223) Added general information about the language. 01:11:56 [[B^2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72464&oldid=72463 * UltimateProGrammer * (+910) Added math and compiler errors sections. 01:18:41 [[B^2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72465&oldid=72464 * UltimateProGrammer * (+812) Added variables section 01:30:38 [[B^2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72466&oldid=72465 * UltimateProGrammer * (+1536) Added more examples, explained conditional statements 01:33:07 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72467&oldid=72433 * UltimateProGrammer * (+67) 02:02:51 [[User:Salpynx/Pico]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72468&oldid=72460 * Salpynx * (+1076) ideas for next steps 02:08:35 [[User:Salpynx/Pico]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72469&oldid=72468 * Salpynx * (+0) correct bf brackets 02:12:44 [[User:Salpynx/Pico]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72470&oldid=72469 * Salpynx * (-204) already refactored away 02:26:08 [[User:Salpynx/Pico]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72471&oldid=72470 * Salpynx * (+21) necessary init 04:12:30 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:21:57 [[Talk:HydraLoop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72472&oldid=72392 * Zzo38 * (+89) 05:26:07 -!- Sgeo has joined. 05:39:39 [[Self-modifying Turing machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72473&oldid=72402 * Hakerh400 * (+30) Change card to state 05:52:23 How common is it to use unusual headers for commentary on Usenet? 05:54:52 I imagine you could single-handedly make it very common. 05:56:41 -!- sprock1em has joined. 05:56:49 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:01:10 -!- sprock1em has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:02:13 -!- sprocklem has joined. 06:03:17 I have seen at least two writers who have done such things (although I am not one of them). 06:10:30 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:10:45 -!- sprocklem has joined. 06:10:50 -!- gnu-nobody has joined. 07:05:42 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:08:17 -!- craigo has joined. 07:23:03 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:25:17 -!- mich181189 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:26:01 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:27:18 -!- mich181189 has joined. 07:29:04 -!- pikhq has joined. 07:29:48 -!- Lymia has quit (Quit: Hugs~ <3). 07:30:23 -!- Lymia has joined. 07:38:07 -!- LKoen has joined. 07:38:45 -!- rain1 has joined. 07:46:44 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:48:32 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: quit). 08:01:25 -!- gnu-nobody has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 09:14:41 -!- TheLie has joined. 09:28:04 -!- tromp_ has joined. 09:31:18 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 10:02:22 -!- gnu-nobody has joined. 10:43:07 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:50:04 -!- sprocklem has joined. 11:10:13 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 11:10:38 -!- sprocklem has joined. 11:24:15 -!- craigo has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:31:10 -!- gnu-nobody has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 11:46:50 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 11:50:29 [[B^2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72474&oldid=72466 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+337) cats + rm extra title 11:52:08 [[B^2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72475&oldid=72474 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-38) /* Computational class */ 12:32:13 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 12:34:46 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:35:04 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 12:58:34 [[B^2 Turing Completeness]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72476 * UltimateProGrammer * (+971) Added proof (or lack thereof) 13:05:49 [[B^2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72477&oldid=72475 * UltimateProGrammer * (+168) Added see also for proof of turing completeness 13:06:25 -!- b_jonas has joined. 13:09:30 [[B^2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72478&oldid=72477 * UltimateProGrammer * (+2) Fixed decimal data type being referred to as float 13:17:53 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 13:19:53 [[Turing machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72479&oldid=71555 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+41) 13:20:57 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 13:22:10 [[B^2 Turing Completeness]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72480&oldid=72476 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1051) counter-argument 13:23:08 [[B^2 Turing Completeness]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72481&oldid=72480 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+37) /* Counter-argument */ 13:31:00 -!- gnu-nobody has joined. 13:51:44 -!- Frater_EST has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:52:26 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 13:58:12 -!- TheLie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:09:01 [[Clementine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72482&oldid=72458 * Orby * (-7) /* Translation from Underload into Clementine */ Fixing bugs in translation 14:14:13 [[Clementine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72483&oldid=72482 * Orby * (+1) Grammar 14:17:13 [[Clementine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72484&oldid=72483 * Orby * (-24) /* Translation from Underload into Clementine */ Simplifying translation 14:20:28 [[Template:PageWIP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72485&oldid=72420 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+4) 14:21:03 [[Template:PageWIP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72486&oldid=72485 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-5) 14:21:40 -!- Arcorann has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:21:43 [[Clementine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72487&oldid=72484 * Orby * (+76) 14:21:53 [[Clementine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72488&oldid=72487 * Orby * (+4) 14:32:45 [[User:Quadril-Is/Alphapolyglot]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72489&oldid=69896 * Quadril-Is * (+497) yay new addition to alphapolyglot 14:54:15 [[Clementine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72490&oldid=72488 * Orby * (+158) 15:19:27 -!- Frater_EST has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:36:46 [[User talk:Arseniiv]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72491 * LegionMammal978 * (+441) Created page with "Your [[Punctree]] interpreter uses value = ord(prev) - ord('') for converting Greek letters to numbers. 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18:18:36  [[Clementine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72501&oldid=72490 * Orby * (+329) 
18:23:03  [[User:Orby]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72502&oldid=72440 * Orby * (+4) 
18:42:09  [[Clementine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72503&oldid=72501 * Orby * (+386) 
18:53:28  [[Clem]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72504&oldid=51553 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) /* The Clem language */ wayback
18:57:33  [[Clem]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72505&oldid=72504 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-2) /* External resources */ wayback
19:22:45  [[Clementine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72506&oldid=72503 * Orby * (-1026) ''
19:25:46  [[Clementine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72507&oldid=72506 * Orby * (+13) /* CT as a stack based language */
19:38:13  [[Clementine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72508&oldid=72507 * Orby * (+30) /* Simple translation to Underload */
19:40:48  Any underload wizzes around?
19:42:41  I'm trying to convert the clementine e combinator to underload to establish the simple translation
19:44:51  it's obviously possible in theory, but I can't figure it out as I don't know enough of the underload tricks
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20:26:34  [[Talk:Clementine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72509 * Orby * (+195) Created page with "I'm trying to find a nice basis which we'll call '''e''' and '''k''' s.t. '''[]''', '''[e]''', '''[k]''', and k are complete. There are many, but it would be nice to find a re..."
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21:09:56  orbitaldecay: I've just been looking at Clementine and Underload. Not sure if you have seen my wip Pico page https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Salpynx/Pico but it is a wip 2 commands representing a single bf-like contaminator function
21:10:50  I'm likely to change all the encodings soon, but it should be able to implement any of the bit or byte wise bf minimisations using simple tanslations.  
21:12:32  I wanted to find another non-bf language to attempt a simple translation for, Clementine / Underload seems like great candidates. Underload uses concepts that I seem to have implement in pico(), so it might not be too difficult
21:12:42  I was looking at that! Very cool!
21:13:16  Underload has been minimized to M^, but it's not very pretty
21:13:50  orbitaldecay: I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how that relates to picofuck. I'm still exploring my meta-interpreter ideas, but I think they basically boil down to the same thing when trying to minimise into two symbols
21:15:47  [[Clementine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72519&oldid=72518 * Orby * (-102) Undo revision 72518 by [[Special:Contributions/Orby|Orby]] ([[User talk:Orby|talk]])
21:15:54  'contaminator' function? I meant 'combinator' -- I didn't think I had an auto-correct here. That may have been a Freudian-slip.
21:17:35  yeah, I'm still getting my head around the underload minimization, but it will definitely have ramifications on pico
21:17:54  I'd approach it by figuring out a bf translation for each Underload operation and then try to combine and minimise from there. Has anyone made an Underload interpreter in bf?
21:21:20  [[Clementine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72520&oldid=72519 * Orby * (+21) /* Simple translation to Underload */
21:21:45  [[Clementine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72521&oldid=72520 * Orby * (+0) /* Simple translation to Underload */
21:24:40  when the definition of pico() stabilises , I can begin to think about how that algorithm might be translated into rbf, or something else. I imagine it'll be more painful than getting it to work in python.
21:25:30  Well, underload and bf are wildly different beasts. I'm fairly happy with what I have on the page right now. I just need to find a way to write * in terms of [e], [k], k and []
21:25:50  cool, yeah doing it in python then translating is smart
21:27:08  [[Clementine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72522&oldid=72521 * Orby * (+0) /* Simple translation to Underload */
21:31:33  I need to get some work done today, but I'll read through more Clementine and Underload  and explore their simple translations more later.
21:32:32  [[Clementine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72523&oldid=72522 * Orby * (-16) /* CT as a stack based language */
21:34:16  small nitpick, when I see CT I think Cyclic Tag. Not sure if that could be counted as a 'common' confusion though :)
21:38:59  Good point. Feel free to alter it if you think of a better abreviation.
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22:13:36  salpynx: does the restricted ct make sense?
22:14:03  I need to find a way to express * in it
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23:42:26  [[Clementine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72529&oldid=72527 * Orby * (-4) /* Simple translation to Underload */
23:44:55  [[User:Salpynx/Pico]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72530&oldid=72471 * Salpynx * (+747) add Reversible Brainfuck style loop translation