< 1587774244 336394 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many points you earn in the BSD boggle game? < 1587774828 520167 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1587775294 367591 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1587775415 297158 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1587775572 708538 :amnesiac!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :noomy < 1587776363 438399 :Grimpoteuthis!~user@181.59.76.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1587776399 102420 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1587776411 744017 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1587777083 610652 :Grimpoteuthis!~user@181.59.76.52 PART #esoteric :"ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.3)" < 1587777899 346592 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1587777992 810967 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1587780248 78547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1587781511 303150 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I added the temperature in the status window < 1587781531 885382 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it includes: temperature, mail, system load average, memory usage, and date/time. < 1587782011 267306 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PostgreSQL supports ORDER BY in non-window aggregate functions, and is something I wanted to have in SQLite too, since it is useful with some aggregate functions. If ORDER BY can be used in non-window aggregate functions, then FIRST_VALUE, LAST_VALUE, and NTH_VALUE should also be usable as aggregate functions, too. < 1587785505 200592 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1587785584 211773 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1587787187 133999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1587791942 839675 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dup == =)?dup == = < 1587791955 124847 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must put a line break in place of the question mark. < 1587794770 6950 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1587794788 758634 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Solar Hijri calendar? < 1587798595 234798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does your version of curl have the double-EOF bug fix yet? < 1587799702 743379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1587799866 957092 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1587800478 816588 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1587802156 60440 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Happy Fantasy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71415&oldid=71359 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+3) 10 > 1587802476 486761 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Gummy Bear14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71416&oldid=71327 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+11) 10/* Output */ < 1587803534 822566 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1587806417 186455 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-b0486e-15.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1587806456 698440 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1587806489 768550 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1587806578 505490 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1587806683 119966 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1587807756 308399 :aloril!~aloril@83-148-239-202.dynamic.lounea.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1587808175 348086 :aloril!~aloril@83-148-239-202.dynamic.lounea.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1587808771 272501 :aloril!~aloril@83-148-239-202.dynamic.lounea.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1587812108 255914 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1587813665 481248 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1587813836 804086 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1587813841 860277 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1587815054 130729 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1587815193 986963 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:e857:d1c1:bc26:324e JOIN :#esoteric < 1587815405 319964 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:455:2acc:3450:3470 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1587816878 646210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71417&oldid=71379 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+56) 10/* Languages */ > 1587817367 698002 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71418&oldid=71414 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+665) 10 > 1587819542 74078 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Zzo3814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71419&oldid=69337 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+434) 10/* I think I have proven A14!4 to be Turing-complete. */ new section < 1587819618 696677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it probably does, if I remember right what the bug was. At least a single EOF on stdin is enough when pasting to ix.io. < 1587820192 782283 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1587820233 523720 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1587820586 75252 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1587822229 858812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1587824205 458153 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello all < 1587824706 78503 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1587824709 882980 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru NICK :arseniiv < 1587825148 988860 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuma-themed impossible(?) puzzle: suppose you have N types of balls and an endless sequence Z → {1, ..., N} of them, such that a ball at each position is picked uniformly at random independent of all others. You can insert a ball of your choice between the 0th and 1st places in this sequence, and then if that makes a sequence of 3 or more balls of the same kind, they vanish, the sequence collapses and the same check (are there 3 or mo < 1587825149 66862 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :re balls of the same kind at the cut position) happens again and again if necessary. What is the mean count of vanishes? vanished balls? < 1587825291 550269 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that a function from Z, not N? < 1587825313 637090 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first I thought to allow placing a ball at any position, but I think this would make the problem ill-posed: I’d suppose there would be a possibility to make any count of vanishes but obviously not an infinite one < 1587825348 499866 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with using Z being that you have to specify what happens to the indices after removal < 1587825435 377829 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: two one-sided subsequences after the cut should then concatenate back < 1587825476 233892 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as in this case we remember the position of the cut point, we could put zeroth index anywhere we like < 1587825617 978839 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah I misunderstood... < 1587825656 722502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have 1122 and place a ball in the middle, you get two choices... which one do you pick? < 1587825672 176734 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :about N instead of Z: hmm I think that wouldn’t be neat enough; in the game if you happen to remove balls from the end of the chain, and there is a cluster of ≥3 balls right near them, that cluster won’t wanish, but in this formulation it would (and if it wouldn’t, that would be a boring setting) < 1587825731 55502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay, I though it would collapse once and then you'd get to pick another ball < 1587825744 127653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't read properly < 1587825769 269303 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought (nor type, apparently.) < 1587825796 127873 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : so if you have 1122 and place a ball in the middle, you get two choices... which one do you pick? => hm well maybe then we should first consider the setting where the ball is picked randomly not by us, and again uniformly of course < 1587825821 195526 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically... don't place any ball at all < 1587825843 358751 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think I word such questions in not the most understandable way too < 1587825856 415750 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah < 1587825870 759489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"also I think...": I think you phrased that concern perfectly. < 1587825920 159836 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should name things more often < 1587825953 646468 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I would backlink to them instead of using ambiguous anaphoric pronouns < 1587826008 91916 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hmm. The first collapse is special, but after that we're always faced with a random sequence that has a 1/(N-1) chance of equal balls in the middle instead of 1/N. So this should be quite feasible. < 1587826133 652695 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :don’t forget we need more than two, so we can’t just compare the ends < 1587826180 244804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh sure but that's not a huge deal. < 1587826210 362389 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I have no solution to this, of course. I wanted to announce I won the main game mode in Zuma’s Revenge, but then I thought: wait, that can be made more on-topic < 1587826219 111975 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The probability that the first collapse happens should be (1 + (N-1)/N + (N-1)^2/N^2)/N^3, and for subsequent collapses it's (1 + (N-1)/N + (N-1)^2/N^2)/((N-1)N^2) instead. < 1587826251 198161 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hoped I’d come up with something less tractable :D < 1587826331 110942 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :full notes ;-) http://paste.debian.net/1142975/ < 1587826350 247899 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, that's for four. < 1587826353 618605 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid fenceposts < 1587826378 635693 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the probabilities should be (1 + (N-1)/N)/N^2 and (1 + (N-1)/N)/((N-1)N) instead. < 1587826435 731216 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fencepost blaming < 1587826438 87683 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :fencepost blaming? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1587826606 544901 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically two things happen here: a) rather than looking at the colors, look at whether adjacent balls have the same color b) after a collapse, there are only N-1 possible colors for the two adjacent balls, but otherwise they are still uniformly random. So the probability of equality increases to the aforementioned 1/(N-1) instead of 1/N at that one place. < 1587826758 760578 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2n^2 - 3n + 1)/(n^4 - n^3 - 2n^2 + n) <-- look at this beauty (is it correct? who knows. it might be.) < 1587826816 572050 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for the expected number of collapses < 1587826842 917045 :haavard!root@haavard.me QUIT :*.net *.split < 1587826910 53096 :haavard!root@haavard.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1587827019 698111 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, we cannot simply multiply that by 1 + 2/(1-1/n) to get the expected number of balls removed, because only one of the two cases captured in (1 + (N-1)/N)/N^2 can be extended to both sides. < 1587827031 592709 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm mixing capital and lower case n, sorry.) < 1587827169 332861 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1587827169 410713 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1587827187 859590 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the lower case one, honestly, reserving the upper case one for the natural numbers. < 1587827204 91247 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1587827292 336904 :divergence!~div@212.102.40.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1587827368 817920 :diverger!~div@193.9.112.184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1587827488 250961 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah I forgot there would be conflation in ASCII < 1587827523 880696 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1587827553 362080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? prefixes < 1587827554 629117 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =. < 1587827567 763856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1587827567 816688 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1587827579 706782 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and ℕ renders poorly in my client, and it’s 5 keypresses to input with my AHK script, so I almost never use it) < 1587827581 399831 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi is still broken it seems < 1587827599 605396 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ 1+1 < 1587827610 289681 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1587827651 845749 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1587827653 342063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 251450Z VRB03KT 9999 FEW060 SCT070 BKN100 21/04 Q1007 NOSIG > 1587827942 122584 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71420&oldid=71418 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+259) 10/* Functions */ > 1587828051 818774 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71421&oldid=71380 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+20) 10/* F */ add [[function x(y)]] > 1587828559 658582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71422&oldid=70490 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+358) 10/* Packlang */ > 1587828757 948340 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71423&oldid=71422 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+192) 10/* Stackint */ > 1587828810 494039 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71424&oldid=71417 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10/* Languages */ > 1587829341 528222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71425&oldid=71423 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1361) 10/* PlusOrMinus */ > 1587829367 489725 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PlusOrMinus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71426&oldid=70739 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1380) 10/* Resources */ > 1587829414 993904 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PlusOrMinus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71427&oldid=71426 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+141) 10/* Resources */ < 1587830149 844549 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1587832520 14625 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:e857:d1c1:bc26:324e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1587833102 654623 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1587833494 349095 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just placed a couple of GEL in a looped world in The Powder Toy and watch it fall < 1587833711 987220 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor little Tron particles don’t know they could wrap around and insted they keep crashing into gel >:D < 1587833798 550909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: heh I wonder whether you'd like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23AY8Kdx00 (especially after the 1:40 mark) < 1587833845 552251 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:e857:d1c1:bc26:324e JOIN :#esoteric < 1587834020 506929 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ahhhhhhhh!!! < 1587834139 173019 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw a captcha that involved arranging puzzle pieces (on dreamviews.com). Apparently from KeyCAPTCHA < 1587835238 454513 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a lot of people praising Forth for its ease in implementation (almost to the level of occult worship), but I wonder if Tcl (or a similar language) would be a contender for ease of implementation. < 1587835244 614820 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: awhile ago, after several tries I got how to make a hard caramel succesfully, including unsticking it from the surface when it’s cold (I pour it onto baking paper) and now rarely I make some and crush it into small pieces to use instead of sugar for tea or something. I like it’s like a real glass and maybe it can be glassblowed (I hadn’t tried) and it would be cool. Hm I’ll google that, maybe someone had done that already < 1587835311 106167 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: due to code quotes? (Though I don’t know almost a thing about Tcl) < 1587835345 794381 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: mostly due to the fact that, at its base, it's just a list of commands that's specially formatted. < 1587835359 436434 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Forth may be _easier_ than Tcl, but a Tcl implementation is not especially difficult. < 1587835409 360850 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oldblog.antirez.com/post/picol.html Like, this is a reasonably straightforward and functional Tcl implementation in 550 lines of reasonably natural C code. < 1587835420 842666 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a really bare-bones Scheme? < 1587835437 314103 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the gradient of "I can hack this up in less than a day" to "This is a multi-month project", I see Tcl as sitting a bit to the left above Forth. it's slightly more complex due to quoting. < 1587835467 469060 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that seems about right. < 1587835483 468258 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not literally the easiest but nor is it that difficult, as far as these things go. < 1587835483 722186 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t particularly like concatenative languages without quoting though. It’s hard to go without when you taste it < 1587835508 186218 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind them. honestly all I really care about is implementation simplicity. < 1587835536 627907 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write good abstractions and tools in just about any language, but it takes more work in some than others. < 1587835551 825032 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write good concatenative code without quotes. < 1587835618 127388 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:e857:d1c1:bc26:324e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1587835696 424954 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me wonder if there's some middleground between Tcl and Forth, without excess quoting and tokenization rules. < 1587835820 854729 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q-BASIC^W I’ll show myself out < 1587835832 310778 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that picol interpreter, for example, is like 2x what I'd consider reasonable. < 1587835835 149040 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. < 1587835964 942378 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could turn Modal into something useful. it's deceptively simple. < 1587836000 428518 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1587836074 515527 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1587836929 228117 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, imode: there's a forth implementation on IOCCC (admittedly not within the size limit, but with a small external library over an interpreter), but no Tcl in IOCCC < 1587837089 960337 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I remember reading that when digging into Forth for the first time. < 1587837119 285863 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :was neat. < 1587837187 81811 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has got to be other "no-parse" languages out there, right? < 1587837411 10234 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:e857:d1c1:bc26:324e JOIN :#esoteric < 1587838563 359177 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to win over The Powder Toy by making graphical designs out of experiments in it < 1587838579 823321 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I’ve yet to use any of them < 1587838681 694580 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example https://i.postimg.cc/G2v813Sn/traced-powdertoy.png < 1587838700 183259 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was thoroughly edited in Inkscape < 1587839104 252589 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if someone knows Verve Painter by Taron (hope I remember names correctly), there is a rotating canvas mode which is neeeaaat. Even if you don’t know anything about drawing, it amounts to some great things < 1587839578 826745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1587840204 463593 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1587840226 588330 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1587840398 753181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1587840569 777033 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1587840735 329140 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1587841937 394317 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1587842254 951338 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.167.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1587844045 585008 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found this comment in some text mentioning tarot cards: "The Fool is given the number 0 in the Trumps, and as a C programmer from a long time back I love any 0-indexed array." < 1587844104 175701 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 QUIT :Changing host < 1587844104 175775 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr JOIN :#esoteric < 1587844281 317135 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While in many decks the Fool is numbered zero, that isn't it's value. I have been told before why it is numbered zero (I asked them why), they said it represents the beginning of a journey, which I suppose I can see. Although depending on the game, its value may either be the XXII of trumps, or it may have an entirely different meaning (you can play it even if you would otherwise be required to follow suit, but it always loses the tric < 1587844390 312889 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1587844545 10999 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had ideas about tarot poker, where the Fool (or Excuse) counts as both 0 and XXII, similar to the ace in the ordinary poker. > 1587845249 691992 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71428&oldid=71420 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+220) 10 < 1587845381 52149 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of some ideas about tarot poker. Trumps could sometimes be treated as their own suit, and sometimes as cards of the same rank of any of the other suits (including cards that do not exist), so that you can have a "mixed flush" and "mixed straight flush", in addition to a "pure flush" and "pure straight flush". Five of a kind is also possible. < 1587845749 560247 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net PART :#esoteric < 1587846041 765196 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1587846853 395181 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :rawr < 1587849165 410976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1587850159 59901 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:e857:d1c1:bc26:324e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1587851135 448730 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: making interesting progress on that combinator stuff https://wiki.forder.cc/wiki/Combinators < 1587851149 795400 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switched to using infix + to denote the binary operations which has made it much easier to read < 1587851217 608938 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, https://wiki.forder.cc/wiki/Combinators#Associative_and_commutative_examples is interesting < 1587851443 342201 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that postfix notation... < 1587851473 697232 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've used Unlambda. This messes up my brain.) < 1587851516 177657 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the interpreter I wrote uses postfix, which is why I keep switching < 1587851558 748356 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've started using infix for the most part in the wiki with + representing my custom binary functions and * representing application < 1587851572 418855 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is moving the goalpost from {S,K} and any kind of TC-ness. < 1587851601 358926 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just trying to get a feel for what associative and commutative look like < 1587851610 221047 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the ultimate objective of going back to TC-ness < 1587851612 683160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can /represent/ a lot of algebraic structures, obviously. And yes, Booleans are perhaps the most natural. < 1587851660 699512 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was thinking about that today that with a little work it would be easy enough to construct a of the natural numbers using church numerals, but it wouldn't bring me any closer to what I'm going for < 1587851712 623439 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm already fairly familiar with programming lambda calculus (and, by extension, Combinatory Logic) so you should not feel bad if none of this surprises me. < 1587851737 35750 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also remembered that if is generated by n elements and contains m elements then the associativity test is nm^2 rather than m^3 < 1587851750 971839 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, thanks. I've only had a few cursory passes with it. learning as I gol < 1587851786 683397 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes the associativity test m^2 if |C| = 1 < 1587851942 338606 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :The section on <`T``> was a little surprising to me. It wasn't immediately obvious to me that a non-trivial finite set could be generated using only I as the basis. < 1587853584 371864 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1587853778 656060 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1587854205 364581 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common is custom (and mostly meaningless) headers for commentary in Usenet? < 1587854621 989923 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:a1cc:e766:521a:265c JOIN :#esoteric < 1587854627 43817 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen it more than once. < 1587854912 981344 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:a1cc:e766:521a:265c QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1587855196 38284 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cortex language 314]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71429 5* 03Cortex 5* (+752) 10Created page with "[[Cortex language 3]] is a general term for an esolang, named after and defined by [[User:Cortex|]] operationally defined as "'''''any languge where ;' creates a..." < 1587855379 945546 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1587856572 9937 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:a1cc:e766:521a:265c JOIN :#esoteric < 1587856651 882716 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the format of the .mcm file produced by Mednafen? It seems to be a screenshot file (since I told it to create a screenshot, and that is the file that resulted), but I don't know what format it is (ImageMagick does not know how to open it). < 1587856811 859612 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found something that says that it is a movie, and that it starts with "MDFNMOVI", although that does not seem to be the case. < 1587856909 296197 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1587857055 464836 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1587857078 38942 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1587857169 256839 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"movie"; sounds like it records game inputs, one per frame < 1587857201 790518 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Details are to be found in the source code. ) < 1587857311 455146 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't tell it to record a movie (and the documentation and quick help says F9 is for screen snapshots, not movie), and it doesn't have the format that it says is the format for movies, anyways, although the filename is the same as what the documentation about the movie says it is. < 1587857633 974432 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you expected from us. < 1587857674 1435 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But this is true for almost all your questions, so maybe I shouldn't complain.) < 1587857737 826716 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a movie. < 1587857772 992233 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is, but it doesn't have the format that I read about, nor was I trying to record a movie. < 1587857785 51705 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tasvideos.org/EmulatorResources/Mednafen/MCM.html < 1587857800 283515 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a pebcak problem. < 1587857814 97384 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I found that, hence the description above. < 1587857815 455731 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that, and, the file doesn't start with "MDFNMOVI", so it isn't a file of the format documented there. < 1587857823 68442 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:a1cc:e766:521a:265c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1587857827 232267 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you tried "file" on the thing < 1587857846 427952 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Also you actually have the file, we don't. I don't know how many of us are using Mednafen; I don't. < 1587857872 648048 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, "file" says it is a gzip file; I can try that. < 1587857943 578039 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does seem to be; it still doesn't start with "MDFNMOVI" though; it starts with "MEDNAFENSVESTATE". < 1587858072 672978 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, trying rgbff on it produces a screen-shot, although not the one I expected. < 1587858077 507639 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... it's misnamed and ancient? < 1587858119 410788 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently that magic string was changed in 2012) < 1587858172 973242 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why I'm looking into this... I guess I just like hitting search engines with search terms. < 1587858214 524843 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a picture which is a screenshot from the correct game, although the state is not the state that I commanded it to make a screenshot of. < 1587859169 834538 :Train!ca9a8405@202-154-132-5.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1587859173 971298 :Train!ca9a8405@202-154-132-5.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.