> 1586823700 79449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Systemf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71004&oldid=52502 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+13) 10fixed title < 1586826063 948908 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1586826177 576673 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1586826538 245695 :LKoen_!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1586826679 257999 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1586827515 173755 :LKoen_!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1586827518 338962 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tbf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71005&oldid=40952 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+5) 10fixed title > 1586827668 275407 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tbf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71006&oldid=71005 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+25) 10/* External resources */ fixed link < 1586828903 994732 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1586828928 785864 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1586829144 214605 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ThETA14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71007&oldid=16258 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+31) 10fixed title > 1586829225 58077 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ThaM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71008&oldid=30198 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+36) 10/* External resources */ fixed link > 1586829259 194103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ThaM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71009&oldid=71008 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+36) 10/* External resources */ fixed other link < 1586829822 765169 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Sean Uy's puzzles? > 1586830023 811480 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Thotpatrol14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71010&oldid=51367 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+15) 10fixed title > 1586832421 661790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TinyBF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71011&oldid=50225 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+14) 10fixed title < 1586833620 113154 :Maitor!~goban@gateway/tor-sasl/maitor PART :#esoteric < 1586835017 575792 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is someone on today? < 1586835065 905367 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is, actually < 1586835172 544501 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a option in Firefox and/or other web browsers that cookies can be disabled except for redirects? < 1586835187 527918 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not seen such an option, no < 1586835246 458682 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of my idea of "fission" ability for Magic: the Gathering cards? < 1586835339 92584 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must say, I missed your discussion of it, so I can't say < 1586835373 719422 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should maybe get back into Magic after this is all over... < 1586835409 478128 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starts at UNIX timestamp 1586738893. < 1586835453 456304 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you are alone, you can still compose and/or solve puzzles of Magic: the Gathering, which is something I like to do. < 1586835495 36680 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wife knows how to play, but I'm more into it than her, and she's been preoccupied with Final Fantasy 7 lately < 1586835524 278193 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh could do internet stuff < 1586835527 876852 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like puzzles of Magic: the Gathering? < 1586835538 860661 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never really gotten into 'em < 1586835556 66463 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me a decent chunk of the appeal of Magic _is_ the fact you're playing with other people < 1586835587 436498 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, yes, the game itself is appealing, but I also enjoy the social nature of it < 1586835601 868466 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some free open source implementations of Magic: the Gathering; one I looked at (but never used; I only looked at the code) is Xmage, which does not implement text changing effects. < 1586835614 60541 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I've used some in the past < 1586835685 454234 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought to implement a RDF-based format which can implement many features of Magic: the Gathering much better. So, that is my suggestion to someone who is implementing Magic: the Gathering. < 1586835757 67021 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if she should rope her girlfriend into learning Magic :P < 1586835776 753971 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, unless she waaaants to... < 1586835825 422766 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could ask if you want to, I suppose. < 1586835850 789219 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1586835893 188054 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess (and many chess variants, too) can also easily be played by computer without specialized software, using IRC or a direct connection or whatever (or even by telephone, too, actually) < 1586835924 55491 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Card games is more difficult to do by computer without the specialized software, but chess game can be done easily. < 1586835931 212484 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I mean, chess is trivial to do remotely. < 1586835943 467323 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correspondence chess has been a Thing for ages, after all < 1586836016 580856 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it must have been. I don't know how old it is exactly, but I think it was even done by telegrams in the past < 1586836044 430606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've basically given up on Magic as a game to play, as opposed to a game to theorize about < 1586836061 83415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've disliked the direction it's been going in for quite a while < 1586836073 743818 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only played Magic in kitchen table formats, thankfully < 1586836078 445969 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dod you read my "fission" ideas about making a card that becomes two objects in the battlefield but only one outside (like the reverse of meld)? < 1586836130 138593 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't like many of the features of the rules either (or some of the card designs), but in some cases I have thought of how to make a variant rules, trying to make it close to the official rules though < 1586836298 382868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic problem is that Wizards are trying to make too many products for too many audiences, and are being pulled in too many directions and the quality has gone way down < 1586836330 643250 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although some of these rules aren't so new, and some of them they have fixed (for example, I didn't like the planeswalker redirection rule and I am glad they removed it), but one rule I dislike is names for tokens, which seems mathematically klugy to me in the way the spelling works. Subtypes should be a separate namespace from names and shouldn't interact in this way (with the possible exception of conventional basic lands). < 1586836333 690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, something similar to this is why I gave up on Pokémon (the video game, not the card game, and not the video game /of/ the card game) < 1586836372 20083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, would "a land token named Island" tap for blue? my guess is no (but "an Island land token" would) < 1586836381 999500 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1586836387 504742 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I agree with you about the land tokens. < 1586836398 139506 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh my time is nevertheless likely to be occupied < 1586836419 615287 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since, "a land token named Island" still doesn't have the subtype Island, so it doesn't implicitly have "{T}: Add {U}". < 1586836437 532045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the M:tG Busy Beaver people are apparently trying to figure out a way to create an Ackermann-like function only it has the busy beaver function rather than an increment < 1586836454 802926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right, I was just wondering whether there was a special rule for things named Island, or whether that only applies to cards < 1586836471 859098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a card named Island implicitly has the Island subtype < 1586836478 898294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's printed that way < 1586836484 832185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to how Oracle text works < 1586836502 362902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that doesn't affect tokens that were created with the same name as a card due to Artificial Evolution < 1586836509 454222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even naturally < 1586836530 222991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC think "Splinter" is both a card name, and a name of a token that can be created without text-changing effects) < 1586836541 804870 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: O, yes, that is a rule of Oracle text for conventional basic lands. And, yes, it won't affect tokens of course, or even cards, just, I should think it should mean, as far as the game is concerned, a card printed with a given name has the text specified by the Oracle text as its initial text. < 1586836587 621914 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exception I mentioned for conventional basic lands doesn't mean that names are subtypes, only that the name of "an Island land token" would compare as equal to the name of a card named "Island", but this isn't the case for creature tokens that are not explicitly given names (if they are explicitly given names, then they do compare equal to card names that are spelled the same way in English). < 1586836623 154044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think removing special cases would be helpful < 1586836627 123781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Spreading Seas < 1586836628 638623 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spreading Seas \ 1U \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant land \ When Spreading Seas enters the battlefield, draw a card. \ Enchanted land is an Island. \ ZEN-C < 1586836668 202426 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That changes the subtype, not the name. It wouldn't change under the rules I mention. < 1586836669 330422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my preferred templating for the second ability would be «Enchanted land is an Island with "{T}: Add {U}" and no other subtypes or abilities.» < 1586836697 568001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is, there's a special rule that changing the subtype of a land removes all its abilities, and there's a special rule on the Island subtype to add the ability to tap for {U} < 1586836747 742948 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those are special cases. The special rule about changing the subtype of a land removing all abilities I agree is a bit klugy, but the rule that those subtypes implicitly cause it to have those abilities is I think probably important to keep how it is. < 1586836766 520174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the implicit rule for the Wall subtype got removed < 1586836794 287493 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and that is good that they removed the rule for Wall. < 1586836800 936020 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that got swapped over to being an explicit ability, and thank goodness < 1586836807 842071 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that sort of hidden magic in game design < 1586836863 30727 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I mentioned "possible exception"; maybe my new rule should not have the exception for names of conventional basic lands. I am not sure. Either way, it won't affect non-conventional basic lands.) < 1586836879 382785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like design guidelines like "black creatures are hard to destroy" but those don't have to be part of the game rules < 1586836895 353047 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1586836923 238494 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the sort of thing you don't have to explain to people to learn the game, but will _inevitably_ pick up if they play enough < 1586836942 47302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one thing that the Pokémon video games do well, the power of something can be in how other things interact with it rather than in its own rules < 1586837107 912184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it can lead to things getting a little broken sometimes when the delicate chain of interactions breaks down < 1586837118 139053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. see https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ask-a-simple-question-get-a-simple-answer-mark-ii-roa-edition.3468567/page-53#post-8317201 and the answer two posts below (I'm callforjudgement) < 1586837121 166578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :callforjudgement < 1586837123 944674 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1586837136 821807 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... < 1586837228 164720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is that Arena Trap started off as a safety valve against one strategy, and ended up, many years later, making another strategy too strong by countering its counters < 1586837253 322026 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some unofficial implementations of Pokemon battles too, with different generations. < 1586837288 838151 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the Arena Trap ability do? < 1586837331 651817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prevents grounded opponents from switching out as long as the Arena Trap user is in battle, without the help of an item that ungrounds them (Air Balloon) or that allows them to ignore trapping effects (Shed Shell) < 1586837342 242476 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1586837381 111980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all its users are very defensively vulnerable in order to compensate for the fairly good ability < 1586837404 199898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so normally there's not much point in trapping the opponent with it because they just KO you and regain the ability to switch out that way < 1586837560 289210 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1586837569 506118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think the Run Away ability might also allow you to ignore trapping effects, not sure though, they keep changing what abilities do and most of the changes have been really good ideas, but it makes the rules hard to remember sometimes < 1586837610 55526 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, just you should agree which generation you are playing, and then, you should use the rules for that generation, I should think. (With any alterations for the specific match, if any, I suppose.) < 1586837645 210528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I agree; it's just that there are eight generations now and trying to remember the rules for each of them is complicated < 1586837682 717102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a really major rules change in generation 8 (the turn order isn't locked in at the start of the turn, rather it's recalculated for every Pokémon that hasn't moved yet after each move) which I dislike < 1586837695 963568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which keeps catching me out in generation 8 battles < 1586837744 560995 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose it is difficult like you said. < 1586837794 200785 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought turn order was based on speed? If that is how it work then I should think the result is same either way? Does it do another way? < 1586837830 468064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, based on speed < 1586837847 987999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but say there are four Pokémon on the battlefield and their speeds are in the order A, B, C, D < 1586837864 138079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if Pokémon A uses a move to make Pokémon D faster, it could go next if its speed is increased to now be faster than B's < 1586837929 53618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas under the old rules, Pokémon B and C would move next, then Pokémon D, but the turn afterwards Pokémon D would move sooner < 1586837949 73736 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. Now I know what you mean. < 1586838083 152565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drawback of speed-boosting moves used to be that they did nothing on the turn you used them, and they were balanced accordingly, but now (except in battles with only two Pokémon) there is very little counterplay to them, other than by building a team which would naturally go at the end of the turn order anyway (making the moves redundant) < 1586838095 340122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's made battles much more matchup-dependent than they used to be < 1586838132 79666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and means that many battles end up being decided by guesses made in the Team Preview phase < 1586838213 622658 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1586838324 276009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(generation 8 also invented Max Airstream, which is probably the most broken move ever in Pokémon, and is speed-boosting, although oddly it's somehow even more broken in singles, where the changes to turn order calculation have no effect) < 1586838386 316061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, we could do with a Pokémon video games version of `card-by-name, I guess, but probably these conversations don't come up often enough for it to be worth the programming effort > 1586838469 956442 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71012&oldid=70793 5* 03Hdjensofjfnen 5* (+32) 10 < 1586838486 440393 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of a system for custom Pokemon battles, involving various rule customization and time controls customization (the time controls is more general and can be applied to many different games). < 1586838525 102675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are simulators that understand a lot of custom rules already < 1586838530 278935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although your rules might not be included < 1586838613 634345 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned to someone about text-based pokemon battle game (that you can connect using telnet or SSH), but they mentioned it is good except Spinda. But, once I looked it up, I can see how it is working, so, I think the solution is that if your pokemon is Spinda, then your opponent is allowed to see all values derived from the personality value (or encryption constant in gen VI). < 1586838710 39791 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you specify rules that data of opponent's pokemons is visible anyways, then of course it is irrelevant.) < 1586838779 360696 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1586838839 390411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think at some point Spinda's personality value stopped being visible from its graphics, I forget which generation though < 1586838844 814977 :ornxka_!~ornxka@unaffiliated/ornx JOIN :#esoteric < 1586838858 119930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, I don't think I've seen anyone reverse-calculate Spinda's personality value in a competitive battle anyway < 1586838876 889439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's normally only done to peek at the state of the random number generator) < 1586838920 87917 :jix_!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1586838925 44682 :kmc_!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister JOIN :#esoteric < 1586838940 335411 :int-e_!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1586838943 363235 :izabera_!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1586839053 778928 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget which generation they added chess clocks, although I remember once my brother told me. Of course, in a unofficial program, it could allow the rules to customize time controls independently of the generation. < 1586839103 917096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 5, I believe, although it doesn't work quite the same way as regular chess clocks < 1586839119 879660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are actually /three/ clocks, one of which runs permanently (even when it's neither player's turn) and causes a draw if it runs out < 1586839149 589666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an additional clock which limits how much time you have for each individual move, so that's a fourth clock < 1586839154 555984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it runs out your turn is decided at random < 1586839206 95158 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK < 1586839219 747395 :ornxka!~ornxka@unaffiliated/ornx QUIT :*.net *.split < 1586839219 786376 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1586839219 824406 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1586839219 862999 :gitlogger!~gitlogger@206.ip-51-91-102.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1586839219 863059 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1586839219 909729 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1586839219 947709 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :*.net *.split < 1586839219 985771 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister QUIT :*.net *.split < 1586839224 335943 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 NICK :diginet < 1586839229 328157 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the chess clock is just one of three < 1586839238 138191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1586839245 317000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the reason the system is so complex is for online tournaments < 1586839276 14930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which needed to avoid running out of time for a round even if the players used moves with very long animations every turn (perhaps because they were colluding in an attempt to break the servers) < 1586839440 360935 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could they disable animations? Did they have an option for that? < 1586839500 62407 :kmc_!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister NICK :kmc < 1586839591 397913 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1586839639 331980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the games have had options to disable animations since gen 1, but oddly, in competitive/link battles the animations are forced to be turned on, ignoring the option < 1586839958 451153 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1586840034 374192 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb kmc < 1586840068 926872 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Frankly that always annoyed me < 1586840076 878916 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wanted animations off, it should just let me < 1586840133 385265 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I should think so too, at least if both players turn off animations, then it should be turned off. < 1586840170 397687 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Animations should also be forced off if any kind of time controls are specified, I think.) < 1586841126 196301 :watermelon3D!~watermelo@058176100159.ctinets.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1586841226 53485 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-171-136.cdrr.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1586841312 882016 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like the rule in Magic: the Gathering that double face cards and meld cards cannot be faced down (rules 711.10 and 712.10); it is easily enough to represent, by placing the checklist card face-down on top or by using opaque card sleeves. < 1586843957 221124 :watermelon3D!~watermelo@058176100159.ctinets.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1586844126 806115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1586844777 68712 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1586844948 174064 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1586845527 296142 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:1c6b:a87d:8b4f:2427 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1586845890 838614 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1586846661 816744 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1586847145 764451 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, like I guessed, xkcd's comic today is a tribute to John H. Conway too < 1586848683 506986 :watermelon3D!~watermelo@058176100159.ctinets.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1586849269 243894 :int-e_!~noone@int-e.eu NICK :int-e < 1586849373 885305 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu NICK :int-e_ < 1586849389 918768 :int-e_!~noone@int-e.eu NICK :int-e < 1586849888 63571 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once dreamt that someone saved the details of a magic trick on their computer, but it saved with a .''' extension which meant that the magic trick was bad. < 1586851397 847405 :wib_jonas!b03f0c32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.12.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1586851453 41336 :wib_jonas!b03f0c32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: re "assemble vs has call" => that is the most groanworthy pun that I've read about this pandemic so far < 1586851495 130428 :wib_jonas!b03f0c32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: re "Are you sure you want to cancel this operation? [Cancel] [Ok]" => in the 7-zip GUI, when you interrupt a compression operation, it asks the question the same way, but the answers are Yes, No, Cancel < 1586851612 515926 :wib_jonas!b03f0c32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: "detonating the Sun to erase all evidence of this ever happening" => please merge it with a few other stars so that it's large enough to go supernova, then we'll get those sweet heavy elements as construction material for our civilization < 1586851907 853126 :wib_jonas!b03f0c32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "are there any natural languages where the natural translations of "yes" and "no" start with the same letter?" => try https://www.omniglot.com/language/phrases/yesnomaybe.htm < 1586851928 979855 :wib_jonas!b03f0c32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, fizzie probably looked at the same one < 1586852125 711269 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1586852230 371504 :wib_jonas!b03f0c32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re Magic, then you could play Magic games in a homebrew format where the pool of cards is restricted to cards older than a certain cutoff date < 1586852961 469479 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1586853323 519678 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:50f3:115d:996a:2dbb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1586853551 209820 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-elqbgkwbobftpxig QUIT :Quit: killed < 1586853551 291521 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-pvxrdejidcwtsmyd QUIT :Quit: killed < 1586853578 600367 :xylochoron[m]!xylochoron@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-mgheajgtuotwvyks QUIT :Quit: killed < 1586853579 749950 :xavo[m]!undersco1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gyzfddehbbixljam QUIT :Quit: killed < 1586854389 719266 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xzyaisbqzvkskrdj JOIN :#esoteric < 1586854662 46409 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 JOIN :#esoteric < 1586856516 48993 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1586856715 999104 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1586857076 806665 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fxmbgdseweobncjt JOIN :#esoteric < 1586857076 887459 :xylochoron[m]!xylochoron@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-vlvkegcgsdxmwhtq JOIN :#esoteric < 1586857076 986483 :xavo[m]!undersco1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-wgwnxhhmtkkndjuy JOIN :#esoteric < 1586857258 244164 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1586857340 659058 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1586857341 203143 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1586859181 321169 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-171-136.cdrr.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1586859844 563918 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TinyBF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71013&oldid=71011 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+25) 10/* External resources */ fixed link < 1586859880 32265 :wib_jonas!b03f0c32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm re-reading some old forum posts, and ran into a mention of the angels vs devils game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_problem , which is also due to John H. Conway < 1586860383 899984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1586860554 802607 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1586861287 296958 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1586861308 620632 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric > 1586861313 371571 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* 10moved [[02Ttml10]] to [[TTML]]: fix capitalization > 1586861313 461760 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* 10moved [[02Talk:Ttml10]] to [[Talk:TTML]]: fix capitalization > 1586861567 497313 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tuplary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71018&oldid=39935 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+14) 10fixed title < 1586861689 984993 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how inefficient would a mandelbrot fractal viewer be in Malbolge < 1586863093 800487 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1586863196 412921 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1586863433 877481 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Uncomment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71019&oldid=32463 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+36) 10/* External resources */ fixed link < 1586863481 444966 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1586863521 324290 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1586863754 939873 :ornxka_!~ornxka@unaffiliated/ornx NICK :ornxka < 1586864926 926665 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://raw.githubusercontent.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/asmbf/master/rave/src/rave/pass/ComparisonPass.java <- that's how code ends up when you pretend to write in a functional fashion lmao < 1586864973 77037 :wib_jonas!b03f0c32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, java generics < 1586864988 107527 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, lack of builtin tuple data typ < 1586864998 928277 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you automagically save on obfuscators < 1586865006 999433 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because after writing such code, you don't need one < 1586865705 239877 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1586865827 338787 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1586866121 384449 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1586866161 787981 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1586866197 89958 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Version214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71020&oldid=33857 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+36) 10/* External resources */ fixed link > 1586866546 583691 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vowels14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71021&oldid=40963 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+20) 10fixed title < 1586867254 133462 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1586867322 317001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sinjoro 5* 10New user account < 1586867433 44061 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1586867458 30275 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wait14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71022&oldid=30726 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (-13) 10/* External resources */ > 1586867540 25055 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71023&oldid=70879 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+141) 10 > 1586867696 935790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71024&oldid=71023 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+49) 10 < 1586867795 807287 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.194 JOIN :#esoteric > 1586867806 311840 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71025&oldid=71024 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+27) 10 < 1586868377 968301 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jqnufvjrhliluxzb JOIN :#esoteric > 1586868407 668673 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71026 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+680) 10First Commit > 1586868465 235060 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71027&oldid=71026 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+1) 10 < 1586868583 699961 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1586868825 703922 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wiki14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71028&oldid=25347 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+12) 10/* External resources */ fixed link < 1586868882 453537 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1586868987 426533 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you think we can extend the X^V rule to X^V ::= W^V | B^V | ? < 1586869256 117331 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1586869578 683153 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that's no good. never mind < 1586869699 452250 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed that \x. x^2 could be added to W, but not sure where exactly to add it > 1586869773 500755 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Worstscript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71029&oldid=55333 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+14) 10fixed title > 1586870354 898601 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07XEec14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71030&oldid=44650 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+14) 10fixed title < 1586870432 674489 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: perhaps extend W^V rule to W^V ::= V | W^V | \v. B^({v} ∪ V) ? < 1586870584 708976 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric > 1586870617 101596 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07XS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71031&oldid=67243 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+12) 10/* External resources */ fixed link > 1586870798 802612 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07XTW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71032&oldid=55597 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+2) 10fixed link < 1586870960 244206 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: That would yield (\1 (\1 1)) in B, which terminates. < 1586871055 540456 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it would put that in W < 1586871079 918039 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hmm. > 1586871083 960345 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71033&oldid=71027 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+2699) 10Created the table of instructions < 1586871115 838750 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the <> could be replaced by any number of nested <> (including 0) < 1586871231 703125 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we cauld have W^V ::= V | W^V K^V | \v. B^({v} ∪ V) and add a rule K^V = K W^V | < 1586871272 593794 :wib_jonas!b03f0c32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.12.50 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1586871335 630632 :kapilavashtu!~kapilavas@185.3.172.237 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1586871360 818192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ybc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71034&oldid=51853 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+135) 10fixed code block > 1586871577 704523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Yo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71035&oldid=36273 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (-86) 10fixed code blocks > 1586871579 945886 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71036&oldid=71033 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+272) 10 > 1586871620 994216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71037&oldid=71036 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+0) 10 < 1586872227 587120 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1586872295 892026 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1586872370 315091 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: Okay, do it like this then: It puts \(\1 1) (\2) into W. < 1586872443 701261 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see how you get that in W < 1586872536 156269 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1586872592 409465 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, because I shouldn't have the initial lambda. < 1586872833 740790 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then \2 makes no sense < 1586872842 455079 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's K 1 < 1586872856 333364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have a free variable now. < 1586872873 656172 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :W is set of closed terms?! < 1586872899 735378 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I should just stop thinking aloud. < 1586872972 211941 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conceptually, the extra option for W^V looks ok, since W^V K^V reduces to W^V < 1586873004 125843 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you ought to be able to get K^V in front as well, and that'll break things < 1586873028 966331 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't really believe it. But it's obviously more convoluted than I thought. < 1586873040 609157 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by getting K^V in front? < 1586873106 686148 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will make you a believer yet:-) < 1586873134 968211 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1586873196 759847 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1586873434 945986 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Universal Lambda14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71038&oldid=44126 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+102) 10cat! < 1586874068 222420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: here we go then: (\x. x (\_. x) x) (\x\_. x x) is in B. (the second \_ is part of a head context) > 1586874194 848735 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71039&oldid=71037 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (-4) 10 < 1586874286 407005 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the W^V K^V part? < 1586874304 67715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1586874320 931631 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\_. x) is in K W^{x} > 1586874382 482292 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Universal Lambda14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71040&oldid=71038 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* External resources */ cat fix < 1586874425 396958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You broke the invariant that elements in V will always become bound to values in W^V' for some V'. > 1586874444 38670 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71041 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+139) 10Created page with "An output command might be useful. ~~~~" < 1586874451 565649 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I would've been very much surprised if this had worked out. > 1586874626 55918 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71042&oldid=71039 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+40) 10 > 1586874644 997173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Golden sunrise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71043&oldid=69856 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-31) 10 < 1586874748 475283 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've been quicker to find that example though, those false attempts were embarrassing. < 1586875075 432605 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx for counterexample. W K only gives to a W in head position, where I assumed one at top < 1586875206 228589 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a better way to include \x. x^2 in W ? > 1586875308 513616 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71044&oldid=71042 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+0) 10 < 1586875345 378868 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: not without changing B. (\x. x (x (\z. z (\_. x)))) (\x\_. x x) has a normal form. < 1586875388 328813 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by changing B I mean, drop all the head context stuff... you'll get a completely different story then, and tricks like these may just work < 1586875489 302982 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean I could add an option to B^V where it can be W^V^2 < 1586875563 47811 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, that's no good < 1586875577 311603 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean v^2 for v in V < 1586875594 394086 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm trying to get a little more general < 1586875629 11420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the desire, but the W/B thing is extremely delicate already. :) < 1586875643 727585 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1586875671 223136 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1586875764 791904 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh < 1586875776 710633 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a legit mistake while writing the makefile < 1586875783 403953 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pushed it over and it passed CI, so I released it < 1586875801 859482 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out, due to my mistake, on "victims" PC, `rm -rf /bin' is executed < 1586875829 20573 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: you got that by expanding a shell varible that's undefined, right? < 1586875835 356182 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope victim is not running as root:) < 1586875836 381817 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1586875842 179877 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp, he was < 1586875860 935063 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, rm -rf ${installprefix}/bin < 1586875870 540744 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1586875871 656759 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then ${installprefix} is not defined < 1586875880 181835 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I patched it now < 1586875886 836575 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meeeeh < 1586876002 397004 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1586876069 923480 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how much did it mess up the victim's computer? < 1586876089 196215 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's got some utilities left in /bin somehow < 1586876092 735893 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of it is gone < 1586876111 799103 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told him to reinstall coreutils using apt > 1586876136 654004 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:2KWLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71045&oldid=70606 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+181) 10 < 1586876343 931215 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:40a3:ea61:cb37:f374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so adding v^2 for v in V in B is no good either, since v can be bound to your \x -> K (x x) ?! > 1586876432 600139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072KWLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71046&oldid=70272 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+31) 10quote fix, etc > 1586876752 802862 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07XENBLN/Commands14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71047 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+17684) 10Created page with "| This language was designed to have minimal errors. | Note: If a command takes an integer or float/double as a parameter, it will try to convert those parameters to integers,..." < 1586876770 634133 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: yeah. > 1586876781 204635 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07XENBLN/Commands14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71048&oldid=71047 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+67) 10 > 1586876830 574095 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07XENBLN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71049&oldid=70441 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-44) 10/* Commands */ < 1586876871 164981 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: sure, but just coreutils is not enough < 1586876877 538065 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah < 1586876888 689212 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pasted him over a snippet that will reinstall all the packages hes got already < 1586876926 792805 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: but down in the line that will probably try to run something from /bin during installation < 1586876943 803509 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's got coreutils already < 1586876987 898862 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: you need bash and/or dash and probably more < 1586876998 136429 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's got zsh already < 1586877012 963305 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the installer scripts will try to run sh, not zsh < 1586877018 470261 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is fine by now < 1586877020 714921 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :symlink < 1586877028 932588 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1586877083 450179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of the day I uninstalled libacl from my gentoo system < 1586877110 223187 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that broke most of coreutils) < 1586877177 236256 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I recall when I accidentally uninstalled X from the package manager by asking to uninstall what turns out to be a dependency, running startx, and it did nothing with no error or log message. it turns out that the package manager just symlinks X to false if neither Xfree86 or X.org is installed or some such nonsense. < 1586877193 624202 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was back when XFree86 was an option > 1586877737 434778 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71050&oldid=71003 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+140) 10 > 1586877885 776905 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71051&oldid=71044 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+104) 10 < 1586877990 128165 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1586878325 608984 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, xfree's a few years older than me < 1586878642 139329 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously it was a newer version < 1586878784 380981 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I presume < 1586878797 392474 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm talking about the initial release date < 1586878826 7897 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's quite possible that XFree86 wasn't actually available at that time already, but the alternative symlink system was still in place for historical reasons < 1586878844 225922 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have actually used XFree86 at some point though, back before I knew about X.org either < 1586879077 757391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric predates X.org. < 1586879101 527401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming Wikipedia's "Initial release: 6 April 2004" is accurate, anyway. < 1586879147 566374 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should falsify a few more years of back history to #esoteric and HackE?o by the way < 1586879177 699313 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1586879191 326363 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to the international center for esoteric language design, development and deployment, established in 1873." < 1586879207 648605 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki too I guess < 1586879463 715057 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1586879724 665379 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think the opposite, we should be founded in the future < 1586879738 458051 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hmm, that's an interesting option too < 1586879756 700356 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric > 1586880179 472300 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71052&oldid=71051 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+24) 10/* Powers of 2 */ < 1586880233 289752 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually amazing to see the traffic on the wiki < 1586880240 214780 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that there are actually 100 connections to this channel < 1586880280 751112 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, exactly 100 > 1586880309 532641 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71053&oldid=70997 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+17) 10 < 1586880538 44183 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :without fungot too < 1586880772 296964 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1586880789 723699 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07And14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71054&oldid=70648 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (-9) 10updated link again > 1586880791 441369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71055&oldid=70646 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+0) 10updated link again > 1586880793 98449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71056&oldid=70645 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+0) 10updated link again > 1586880794 728633 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Noodle Soup14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71057&oldid=70647 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+0) 10updated link again < 1586880813 700273 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1586880866 309277 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: another option is we are established right now < 1586881694 338063 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1586881717 707065 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1586884175 555748 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all seriousness though < 1586884186 258047 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a shame some old members left < 1586884193 214576 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, people have lives < 1586884221 747015 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true > 1586884928 503641 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71058&oldid=71052 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+113) 10added Fibonacci sequence < 1586885086 811821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric > 1586885400 304742 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Willicoder 5* 10New user account < 1586885504 554716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wha, where's fungot? > 1586885511 253689 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71059&oldid=71058 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (+540) 10 < 1586885514 541238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how long have we been fungot-deficient. > 1586885576 277068 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71060&oldid=71025 5* 03Willicoder 5* (+403) 10 < 1586885628 308069 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot JOIN :#esoteric < 1586885681 443715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How are you feeling? < 1586885681 748234 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this hasn't been so important in the overall organization and they're thinking about removing lambda in version 3, with scheme48 as some fnord infty < 1586885706 578445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All subsystems nominal, I guess. < 1586885988 834746 :Willicoder!6c30a5b0@pool-108-48-165-176.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1586886345 213673 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1586886462 494691 :Willicoder!6c30a5b0@pool-108-48-165-176.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1586886983 71165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily HackEso has mostly been picking up the slack < 1586888223 636079 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: as some fnord infty => I’d very like to meet that kind of infty < 1586888223 774025 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: i dropped the libertarian thing when i was using < 1586888328 975809 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1586888546 391887 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what is a fnord? < 1586888546 503114 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: be back in < 1586888590 367195 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a, that's something like foo or bar < 1586888793 810817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a strictly technical sense & for fungot specifically, it's any infrequent word. There's a feature in the language model training to replace all with less than N occurrences with a special "UNK" token, which can generally speaking result in better (in terms of a performance-to-size tradeoff) models for analysis, but of course in synthesis the bot has to say *something* when the UNK token happens to < 1586888794 4738 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: julia is forcer's sweetie.). it already uses autotools? is that from < 1586888799 886618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :come up. > 1586889130 634805 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Test14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71061&oldid=70920 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10 < 1586889958 869027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1586890004 170524 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fnord fnord fnord fnord fnord < 1586890004 497357 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: where a/ b: a-b, fnord, write it. and when i rebooted and tried it again, this time with good cause i need to < 1586890010 896704 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1586890021 399947 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win > 1586890143 958546 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Underload/Numbers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71062&oldid=70983 5* 03CatIsFluffy 5* (-13) 10Optimizations > 1586890284 490281 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Underload/Numbers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71063&oldid=71062 5* 03CatIsFluffy 5* (-2) 10Someday I will actually fix this before saving changes < 1586890528 501169 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit > 1586890554 852332 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Perception14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71064 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+452) 10Created page with "= Perception = This is a WIP (by which I mean 'I am currently trying to see if this language is a duplicate') Esolang where the user percives the language as one that can solv..." < 1586890674 847559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric > 1586890941 755336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eso2D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71065&oldid=70734 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* Resources */ cat add > 1586891077 772324 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LogicF---14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71066&oldid=70708 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+72) 10 > 1586891137 416536 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nybblang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71067&oldid=70096 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-6) 10/* Commands */ < 1586891142 672620 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: JOIN :#esoteric > 1586891172 665232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nybblang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71068&oldid=71067 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* Turing-Complete Nybblang */ memory is like a stack < 1586891314 628835 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1586891351 760334 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ROTfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71069&oldid=70546 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+126) 10 > 1586891458 16706 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71070&oldid=71059 5* 03Sinjoro 5* (-10) 10/* Print Function */ < 1586891494 996709 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: JOIN :#esoteric > 1586892512 849123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71071&oldid=71050 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+56) 10/* Infinite cat program */ < 1586893779 498129 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1586894300 600407 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71072&oldid=71012 5* 03Hdjensofjfnen 5* (-1) 10/* Microscript */ > 1586894323 622433 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71073&oldid=65647 5* 03Hdjensofjfnen 5* (+1) 10/* Truth-machine (3 bytes) */ > 1586894333 654750 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71074&oldid=71073 5* 03Hdjensofjfnen 5* (+0) 10/* Truth-machine (3 bytes) */ > 1586894354 771727 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71075&oldid=71074 5* 03Hdjensofjfnen 5* (+0) 10 > 1586894415 383225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71076&oldid=71075 5* 03Hdjensofjfnen 5* (-1) 10/* Truth-machine (4 bytes) */ Shoot, I forgot this was implicit > 1586894444 743479 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71077&oldid=71072 5* 03Hdjensofjfnen 5* (-1) 10/* Microscript */ < 1586895005 333621 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible to make a simple assembly language that compiles to FRACTRAN? < 1586895163 802809 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1586895239 21616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, based on TCness it's definitely /possible/, the question is more as to how efficient the resulting language is and how direct the compilation is < 1586895286 595113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, asms for The Waterfall Model seem reasonably easy to write, and there's a more or less direct TWM → Fractran compilation (although the resulting Fractran probably isn't very idiomatic) < 1586895400 1883 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should think to specify names by factors by prime numbers or whatever < 1586896338 518158 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw, this comment mentions J. H. Conway running a fractran program that presumably he wrote => https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2020/04/12/john-conway/#comment-552187 < 1586896357 69780 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that finds prime numbers < 1586896409 45238 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should link that from the wiki page > 1586896497 613208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fractran14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71078&oldid=62112 5* 03B jonas 5* (+202) 10/* External resources */ > 1586897073 702822 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71079&oldid=71071 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+303) 10/* Examples */ < 1586897434 591985 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jqnufvjrhliluxzb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1586898446 619216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71080&oldid=71079 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+52) 10 < 1586899110 652462 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1586899223 455058 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1586900503 224331 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1586900614 361369 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1586900674 43829 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1586902803 458698 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1586903131 355122 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hsbiuwtmbdvuhoga JOIN :#esoteric < 1586903490 904014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1586903968 728724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1586904040 338909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1586904143 676744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1586904166 809396 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1586907277 263700 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net QUIT :Quit: leaving