00:00:06 -!- xelxebar has joined. 00:21:19 zzo38: interesting, do you know why they use a separate black layer? 00:22:02 kmc: they do that for most color printing, different ink for the black in the full color parts and in the black and white parts 00:22:22 kmc: even most home printers have separate black inks for them, except for some very cheap ones 00:23:05 it's nothing specific for M:tG 00:23:12 . o O ( Which are probably very expensive in the long run, and have awful looking text. ) 00:23:14 mind you, M:tG does use other special printing technology 00:23:51 including I think printing the back in a different way than the front, to keep the back hard to distinguish between different sets while the front can become nicer 00:23:52 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spot_color also comes up 00:24:38 (Generally. I don't quite understand why M:tG comes up here... nerds!) 00:25:24 int-e: why does category theory come up here? nerds 00:26:05 b_jonas: I know, right? 00:26:55 But I honestly didn't expect people to care about how M:tG cards are *printed*. 00:26:58 and SAT solvers and comparison of different proof systems 00:27:24 int-e: I do care about that sort of thing, typography looking nice 00:27:32 b_jonas: Obviously I'm embracing that label myself. 00:27:32 not only for M:tG cards 00:27:57 like Knuth says, "I can't eat in a restaurant because I only see what font is used on the menu." 00:28:09 kemming 00:28:21 oh yeah 00:28:22 (why did I put a second 'm' in there) 00:28:24 `? font 00:28:26 ​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ 00:28:29 ^ this one is characteristic of the channel 00:29:06 I should add more characters to mine some day 00:29:22 b_jonas: Anyway, I apologize if you felt insulted. 00:29:31 I'm not insulted 00:34:55 Wouldn't the text be on a different layer than the art/frame due to translations? 00:35:20 that's what i was wondering 00:36:24 Makes sense to me. 00:37:37 -!- MTGBusyBeaver has left. 00:40:23 MTGBusyBeaver: that doesn't mean they have to print it in different layers 00:40:48 those are layers for editing 01:35:54 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:57:14 -!- shachaf has joined. 01:57:40 Why is writing state machines/iterators for traversing recursive structures and so on so hard? 02:02:48 What language features can help with it? Some form of coroutine, I suppose, but if you want something that operates in fixed space it seems pretty tricky. 02:21:09 kmc: I don't know why Magic: the Gathering has a special black layer for text than for art. 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