00:28:35 -!- xkapastel has joined. 00:55:01 I fixed a number of typos. 01:02:46 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:21:50 -!- oerjan has joined. 01:30:26 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:39:12 -!- tromp has joined. 01:43:06 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:43:59 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:47:39 -!- Sgeo has joined. 02:00:13 I find it strange that none of the bots here other than j-bot and egelbot respond to their name by the way <-- lambdabot also does 02:00:18 lambdabot: @run 1+1 02:00:20 2 02:01:28 fungot does too, right? 02:01:28 Hooloovo0: are there any better way than agg uses, simply because sicp seems to use it for browsing :) 02:11:12 HMpf, I think I am done for tonight. 02:14:05 Hooloovo0: yeah fizzie already mentioned that 02:14:38 oh, missed it 02:15:46 Oh Schlockmercenary reaches new levels of boredom. 02:21:44 boredom IN SPACE 02:21:50 Anyone remembers Recursed? https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.05131 02:29:42 -!- ais523 has joined. 02:44:36 [[Sandbox/td]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69846&oldid=24932 * DmilkaSTD * (+115) 02:48:20 [[Sandbox/td]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69847&oldid=69846 * DmilkaSTD * (+324) 02:48:40 [[Sandbox/td]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69848&oldid=69847 * DmilkaSTD * (-1) 02:48:53 [[Sandbox/td]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69849&oldid=69848 * DmilkaSTD * (+1) 02:49:08 [[Sandbox/td]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69850&oldid=69849 * DmilkaSTD * (+0) 02:53:02 [[Sandbox/td]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69851&oldid=69850 * DmilkaSTD * (-136) 02:53:14 [[Sandbox/td]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69852&oldid=69851 * DmilkaSTD * (+12) 02:53:23 [[Sandbox/td]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69853&oldid=69852 * DmilkaSTD * (+3) 02:58:10 [[Sandbox/td]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69854&oldid=69853 * DmilkaSTD * (+598) 03:22:19 -!- tromp has joined. 03:26:57 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 03:38:30 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 03:38:47 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:39:07 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:39:49 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 03:46:54 -!- tromp has joined. 03:50:55 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:51:39 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 03:52:33 -!- tromp has joined. 03:55:14 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:55:30 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:56:59 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:58:36 -!- imode has joined. 04:00:31 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:11:48 -!- sprocklem has joined. 04:59:25 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 05:43:24 -!- atslash has quit (Quit: Leaving). 06:01:46 -!- atslash has joined. 06:38:22 Will TeXnicard require some sort of package management, do you think? If so, it would likely be a separate program, so that TeXnicard can still run without the package management; however, this might still require adding the ability to include additional configuration files from within .texnicardrc (which, among other things, tells where to find each template). 06:39:38 hm, i wonder if the answer to the question in today's girl genius panel 4 will become apparent in a moment... 06:40:12 . o O ( is that non-spoilery enough for you? ) 06:40:47 Unfortunately, I do not know the answer to any of those three questions (one of which I don't even know the question). 06:42:21 well the intended you = int-e 06:42:42 O, OK. 06:51:38 oerjan: I had actually seen it this time and I still don't see a spoiler. 06:51:53 oerjan: So I guess it's a success. 06:53:01 Are you speculating that there'll be a feast for cats soon? 07:01:38 feast? 07:02:03 i'm speculating that the shiny thing might have an effect on the kitchen cat. 07:02:28 Cat eat fish, and we may have a fish problem at our hands really soon now. :P 07:02:47 *cats 07:03:26 well that would be impressive seeing as there are probably only these two cats there... 07:05:11 It's a submarine, a ship; didn't ships use to have many cats to keep the rats in check? 07:05:30 i dunno 07:05:41 Me neither. But it sounds like it makes sense ;-) 07:07:01 OKAY 07:10:30 FWIW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship%27s_cat agrees 07:11:00 I should catch up on gg 07:11:02 (Though it's silent on quantity.) 07:11:33 Something I notice with YCoCg24: If the high bit of the RGB channels are never set, then the high bit of Y is also never set, and the values of the Co and Cg channels must be inside of a diamond or triangle with a size depending on the value of the Y channel. (This can be tested by e.g. "ff-gradient 256 256 q 340000 34FFFF | ff-ycocg db8 | ff-bitmask 8000800080000000 0000000000000000 | ff-xwin".) 07:12:23 Oh my, there's a cat's portal on Wikipedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Cats ... not sure whether to laugh or cry. 07:13:06 Because the of the shape of the triangle, this suggests that encoding Cg before Co might allow the value of Cg to be predicted better. Mathematical analysis of the YCoCg24 equations might be helpful. 07:16:52 Do you know about YCoCg? 07:26:27 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:39:24 -!- tromp has joined. 07:42:44 -!- Cale has joined. 07:44:05 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:48:04 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 07:50:27 -!- arseniiv has joined. 07:55:48 -!- tromp has joined. 08:17:25 zzo38: what is YCoCg? 09:33:14 -!- xylochoron[m] has joined. 09:34:43 -!- b_jonas has quit (Quit: leaving). 10:16:48 -!- wmww has joined. 10:16:48 -!- ddmm_ has joined. 10:16:48 -!- tswett[m] has joined. 11:00:02 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 11:02:27 ``` /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/src/egel <<<$'using System\n using Math\n 3+5' 11:02:28 ​>> >> >> 8 \ >> 11:02:38 I'll have to look at the interpreter options to make it not print those >> prompts 11:10:00 ``` /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/src/egel -e $'using System\n using Math\n 3+5' 11:10:01 internal:2:2:syntactical:using unexpected 11:11:07 [[Sandbox/td]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69855&oldid=69854 * A * (+24) 11:11:22 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:12:19 ``` echo $'using System\n using Math\n 3+5' > /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.egel; /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/src/egel /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.egel 11:12:20 input/output:file "/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.egel" not found 11:12:23 strange 11:12:55 ``` set -e; f=/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.egel; echo $'using System\n using Math\n 3+5' > "$f"; /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/src/egel "$f" 11:12:56 input/output:file "/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.egel" not found 11:12:59 -!- tromp has joined. 11:15:13 spruit11 why doesn't egel find the file? 11:15:29 ``` set -e; f=/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.egel; echo $'using System\n using Math\n 3+5' > "$f"; cat -n "$f" # the file is right there 11:15:30 ​ 1using System \ 2 using Math \ 3 3+5 11:31:59 [[Golden sunrise]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69856&oldid=69836 * Hakerh400 * (+218) Added similarities to other esolangs 11:36:48 wib_jonas: https://github.com/egel-lang/egel/blob/master/src/modules.hpp#L688-L695 is why... -I could help. 11:37:25 (-I adds an include path. Only ./ is added by default.) 11:38:21 So a dirty hack would be -I / 11:39:23 ouch 11:40:08 ``` set -e; f=/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.egel; echo $'using System\n using Math\n 3+5' > "$f"; cd /; /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/src/egel "$f" 11:40:13 input/output:file "/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.egel" has wrong extension 11:40:23 ``` set -e; f=/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.eg; echo $'using System\n using Math\n 3+5' > "$f"; cd /; /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/src/eg "$f" 11:40:25 bash: /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/src/eg: No such file or directory 11:40:30 ``` set -e; f=/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.eg; echo $'using System\n using Math\n 3+5' > "$f"; cd /; /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/src/egel "$f" 11:40:31 ​/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.eg:3:2:syntactical:declaration or directive expected 11:40:37 ok, that's better 11:40:55 ``` set -e; f=/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.eg; echo $'using System\n using Math\nsay (3+5)' > "$f"; cd /; /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/src/egel "$f" 11:40:56 ​/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.eg:3:1:syntactical:declaration or directive expected 11:42:51 -!- wib_jonas has left. 11:42:58 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 11:52:29 wib_jonas: was the ouch for the code, for the dirty workaround, or both? :) 11:53:03 -!- cpressey has joined. 11:53:19 int-e: both 11:53:36 I think it's best if I just wait for spruit11, maybe he can say something useful, or write a patch or something 13:17:23 -!- diverger has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - https://znc.in). 13:17:45 -!- diverger has joined. 13:48:43 -!- kritixilithos has joined. 14:08:21 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 14:09:52 hay hay 14:11:15 [[@]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69857&oldid=65426 * A * (+386) /* Quick Reference */ Try to add a table 14:16:36 [[@]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69858&oldid=69857 * A * (-156) /* Quick Reference */ 14:22:47 [[@]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69859&oldid=69858 * A * (+150) /* Quick Reference */ 14:25:10 [[@]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69860&oldid=69859 * A * (+317) /* Quick Reference */ Mass production 14:27:19 hi arseniiv 14:31:17 [[@]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69861&oldid=69860 * A * (+295) /* Quick Reference */ 14:31:59 [[@]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69862&oldid=69861 * A * (+5) /* Quick Reference */ 14:38:24 [[@]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69863&oldid=69862 * A * (+314) /* Quick Reference */ 14:40:24 [[@]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69864&oldid=69863 * A * (+38) /* Quick Reference */ 14:41:37 [[@]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69865&oldid=69864 * A * (+10) /* Quick Reference */ 14:44:09 So there are these things called "abstract binding trees", or ABTs, which are like ASTs, except they, uh, do binding. 14:44:43 "Another way of putting it is that ABTs is HOAS minus the ability to do partial application or lambda-abstraction, so the only equational theory we need to consider for them is alpha-equivalence." -- https://semantic-domain.blogspot.com/2015/03/abstract-binding-trees.html 14:46:12 imo full HOAS is overkill so I like this idea in principle. In practice I will never learn what it exactly is and I will continue to use ASTs and write awkward traversal functions for them instead of elegant traversal functions on ABTs. 14:52:00 Hello? What seems to be the problem? 14:53:27 what is HOAS? 14:54:17 [[Nybblang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69866&oldid=69817 * A * (+99) 14:57:02 wib_jonas: 'say' is only for the bot. For standard script, use 'print'. 14:58:05 ``` set -e; f=/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.eg; echo $'using System\n using Math\ndef answer = print(3+5)' > "$f"; cd /; /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/src/egel "$f" 14:58:09 ​/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.eg:3:14:semantical:undeclared print 14:58:15 ``` set -e; f=/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.eg; echo $'using System\n using Math\nprint(3+5)' > "$f"; cd /; /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/src/egel "$f" 14:58:17 ​/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.eg:3:1:syntactical:declaration or directive expected 14:58:22 myname: Higher-Order Abstract Syntax. afaict it means your AST is a term in the lambda calculus, with all that implies. 14:58:30 Hmm, print might be in 'IO'. 14:58:33 Lemme check. 14:59:48 Right, print is in IO. Which is in "io.ego", a dynamic loadable lib. You don't have access to that, at the moment. 14:59:55 Just don't use print. 15:01:13 It'll print the result of the 'main' function in standard scripts. Just use that. 15:03:47 ``` set -e; f=/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.eg; echo $'using System\n using Math\ndef main = (3+5)' > "$f"; cd /; /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/src/egel "$f" 15:03:48 8 15:03:52 oh great, thank you 15:04:18 No problem. It's really nice to see some interest in my homework. 15:04:20 ``` set -e; f=/hackenv/tmp/egel-master/a0.eg; echo $'using System\n using Math\ndef main = "foo"' > "$f"; cd /; /hackenv/tmp/egel-master/src/egel "$f" 15:04:21 ​"foo" 15:04:32 though say would be useful so we can print anything 15:04:32 'homework' 15:04:59 say print to an IRC channel. 15:05:03 *+s 15:06:02 so I'll have to build the IO library instead? 15:06:50 Yah, just run make. 15:07:16 And I think it's enough if you put in the same directory as the Egel interpreter. Unsure. 15:07:25 I use a system-wide install. 15:07:59 It's in /lib/io. 15:08:58 I'll look at it some time (unless someone else does it) 15:09:17 No problem. I am already really pleased. 15:09:23 Did you read https://github.com/egel-lang/egel-tex/blob/master/semantics/semantics.pdf? 15:09:35 It's a bit embarrassing. In that it is trivial. 15:09:54 I haven't read it 15:10:02 If you get the first 5 pictures you can stop reading, honestly. 15:10:09 Okay. 15:11:21 I wrote it because I was a bit tired of explaining that Egel is 'just' the front-end to graph-rewrite machinery. 15:11:24 Ah well. 15:12:46 bbl 15:35:02 cpressey: hi! 15:37:59 thanks for the ABT link, maybe it will be useful to me too! 15:41:24 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 15:45:03 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 15:53:27 -!- kritixil1 has joined. 15:55:03 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:56:02 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:01:23 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 16:01:29 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:19:31 -!- imode has joined. 16:21:07 -!- sprocklem has joined. 16:27:13 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:36:54 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 16:38:28 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:43:00 -!- ais523 has quit (Client Quit). 16:43:14 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:47:46 kmc: YCoCg is another colour space, which can be losslessly converted to/from RGB. 16:49:20 [[Sandbox/td]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69867&oldid=69855 * DmilkaSTD * (+7) 17:04:40 [[MineScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69868&oldid=69225 * DmilkaSTD * (-4217) Replaced content with "MineScript is a esolang inspired on the game '''Minecraft'''." 17:05:08 [[MineScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69869&oldid=69868 * DmilkaSTD * (+51) 17:05:19 [[MineScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69870&oldid=69869 * DmilkaSTD * (-1) 17:12:00 [[MineScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69871&oldid=69870 * DmilkaSTD * (+1145) 17:12:17 [[MineScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69872&oldid=69871 * DmilkaSTD * (-1) 17:14:07 [[MineScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69873&oldid=69872 * DmilkaSTD * (+42) 17:16:23 -!- kritixil1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:19:55 -!- cpressey has quit (Quit: A la prochaine.). 17:21:27 -!- kritixil1 has joined. 17:22:28 I have these equations (as C codes): G=(Y-(Cg>>1))&0xFF; t=(G+Cg)&0xFF; R=(t-(Co>>1))&0xFF; B=(R+Co)&0xFF; where R, G, B, and Y must be in range 0 to 127, while Co and Cg are signed 8-bit numbers. Assuming these constraints, I want to find the valid range for Cg in terms of Y, and the valid range of Co in terms of Cg and Y. 17:22:37 (I tried to figure it out by myself, but got confused.) 17:29:46 -!- LKoen has joined. 17:57:45 -!- b_jonas has joined. 18:58:21 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 19:06:36 -!- FreeFull has joined. 19:26:19 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:26:31 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:54:28 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: quit). 20:11:45 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:13:38 -!- LKoen has joined. 20:27:19 -!- kritixil1 has quit (Quit: quit). 20:32:50 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:34:14 -!- gitlogger has joined. 21:36:01 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:52:38 -!- rodgort has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:11:23 -!- rodgort has joined. 22:15:46 I now notice a few more things about the equations above; one is that Co cannot be -128 (since then R+Co will not be in range). 22:31:09 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 22:52:00 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:54:33 -!- tromp has joined. 22:59:02 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds).