< 1578960536 469058 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1578962651 169739 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1578964816 367299 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1578965018 887400 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1578967406 609146 :sleepnap!~thomas@c-68-43-249-240.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1578967408 718938 :sleepnap!~thomas@c-68-43-249-240.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PART :#esoteric > 1578968850 717056 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Truttle114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68834 5* 03Truttle1 5* (+293) 10Made a page for some reason > 1578968860 513278 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Truttle114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68835&oldid=68834 5* 03Truttle1 5* (+0) 10 > 1578968872 705233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Truttle114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68836&oldid=68835 5* 03Truttle1 5* (+5) 10 > 1578968888 337041 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Truttle114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68837&oldid=68836 5* 03Truttle1 5* (+2) 10 > 1578968966 343560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Truttle1 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Idle 00006.png10]]" > 1578969001 950524 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Truttle1 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Idle 00001.png10]]" > 1578969078 4020 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Truttle114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68840&oldid=68837 5* 03Truttle1 5* (+60) 10 < 1578970258 978075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1578970385 138200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm esolangs.org seems down < 1578970697 141564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tunes is inexplicably _not_ serving plain text < 1578970711 426381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1578970762 333114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well it's just mislabeled < 1578970958 747969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh nope < 1578971267 798909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah finally < 1578971559 730361 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1578971593 756973 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1578971640 367277 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1578971995 880272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolangs.org logs server does this weird thing where it sometimes just hangs. Works now for me though. < 1578972021 308277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was supposed to upload a debug build with symbols so I could figure out what's up, but never did. < 1578972222 551796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the wiki is still down < 1578972242 874666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as are the logs < 1578972259 723332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's presumably a different problem. < 1578972275 918244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about that. Both work for me. < 1578972419 401139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm downforeveryone* agrees with you. < 1578972479 31290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as does my linux account. i guess i'm having DNS trouble again. < 1578972697 872653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm switching DNS server didn't help > 1578973362 710764 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keta14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68841&oldid=68771 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+407) 10 > 1578973409 144586 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keta14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68842&oldid=68841 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+11) 10/* Terminology */ < 1578974199 624557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another kind of font metric format could be, instead of the ligature/kerning and character info that TeX uses, to have the font design size and font parameters, and then a program used for rendering a sequence of characters in the font (some of which may have accent marks added), given as input the DPI, at size, left boundary type, right boundary type, and as output can execute instructions to move the cursor and to draw glyphs on the page. < 1578974229 380843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This way it is possible to use multi-byte encodings, kerning and ligatures with accented letters, etc. < 1578974595 83734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a MIME type for PNG file storing CMYK data in place of RGBA? < 1578974961 311650 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you store an imamge in cmyk? < 1578974980 516121 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*image < 1578975084 334596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For printing. < 1578975125 320624 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1578975169 258978 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i thought PNG was always RGBA < 1578975226 394266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNG is always RGBA. But is there a MIME type to indicate that it is meant to be interpreted as CMYK instead? < 1578975251 147254 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would there be? < 1578975304 581836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but it is something that might be useful for something that I am making. < 1578975386 311354 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :make your on format based on netpbm? < 1578975400 803684 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*own < 1578975450 53515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetPBM formats are not compressed. < 1578975454 93242 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just shift the channels around and treat them as CMYK? the scales are the same, right? < 1578975463 553969 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :0-255? < 1578975535 629722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes of course that is possible; I just wanted to know if there is a MIME type to indicate that it is doing that. < 1578975555 136592 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, 255 - R = C, and so on < 1578975639 862932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lykaina: If you do not include K, then yes, it is. < 1578975685 471879 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the generation of K work? < 1578976150 169665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are a few different ways of doing it; in PostScript when using RGB colours on a CMYK device you can customize the way of doing that. < 1578976837 934599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You might also want to store a picture with more than four channels, such as Hexachrome, but I don't know what file formats would use such thing.) < 1578976913 938240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm now esolangs.org _sometimes_ loads. < 1578976995 758721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly not. :( < 1578977805 358604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found something says that Magic: the Gathering cards are printed with CMYK, with a second layer of black for text and borders, and a underprinting layer for foil cards. < 1578977969 252407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I would intend in future to add support for custom separations to TeXnicard, in order it is capable to make such things like this. < 1578978127 438605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :better now. < 1578981097 659259 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric > 1578981124 872970 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68843&oldid=68833 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10HOW DARE YOU NOT COMPREHEND THIS PAGE'S SIMPLE SORTING SY oh hi ais523 < 1578981215 860169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly ais523's errors are more logical than some of the others. < 1578981256 399604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including space in the sorting) < 1578982187 35428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes mediawiki's diff just makes me want to scream https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=%E2%99%A6&diff=68819&oldid=66194 < 1578982271 481787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you sorting? < 1578982340 348555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good, it was only the last four characters. < 1578982423 674920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the language list > 1578985021 206474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68844&oldid=53889 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+343) 10Bohm's algorithms > 1578985038 513549 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68845&oldid=68844 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+5) 10 < 1578990133 45659 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-66.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: PNG image storing CYMK => I don't see why you want a mime type for that. just put some new section into the png itself instead to indicate that. < 1578990804 755318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard needs to know whether a picture is RGB or CMYK before loading it, which it can know by the MIME type. However, the MIME type does not need to be determined only by the filename extension; it can be determined in other ways too. < 1578991716 492333 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1578992431 214385 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-66.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1578994468 418580 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1578995326 226815 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :epimorphisms are epic < 1578995341 73236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may be onto something < 1578995706 643575 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1578996680 288451 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1579000963 269357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1579007528 486530 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1579007555 396471 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1579008170 468507 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1579009538 93556 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think, we should rename CMYK to YMCK < 1579009579 756277 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yan Magenta Cello Key? < 1579009620 99837 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't the K stand for black? < 1579009646 49015 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it did then it would be CMYB < 1579009653 364708 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1579009674 32613 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I looked up on Wikipedia what K stood for before I wrote my comment) < 1579010009 12900 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't it RGBK then? < 1579010046 616529 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that doesn't usually use the key plate? < 1579010055 413512 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's for digital media rather than print < 1579010098 232596 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up? < 1579010791 309481 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-exojytwncgbxplrz JOIN :#esoteric < 1579011700 731418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was some disagreement here recently about it still standing for blacK. The Wikipedia CMYK page has a [citation needed] tag next to "key". < 1579011720 887850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:CMYK_color_model#K:_Key_or_blacK < 1579011735 677393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr "nobody knows, whatever" < 1579011790 215985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, there's a zzo38 comment there, didn't even notice. < 1579011937 587733 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is he so prolific < 1579014791 718751 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1579014974 709209 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1579014980 434918 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1579015679 143273 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1579015728 389712 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider K standing for black. Except in Magic, where for some reason, B stands for black and U stands for blue and Q stands for untap. It would have been easier in Magic too if K stood for black and B for blue and U for untap, but it's too late for that now. < 1579015889 686932 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In esoteric context, it should be black, because in the SML/NG markup language from ICFP 2001 "http://cristal.inria.fr/ICFP2001/prog-contest/task.html", the letters "rgbcmykw" stand for the colors red green blue cyan magenta yellow black white respectively. < 1579016066 690037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should've been S for schwarz. < 1579016129 112490 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sehr gut! < 1579016152 725437 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wouldn't it be cmgs then? < 1579016184 235274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O (Which languages have a different first letter for all of {red, green, blue, cyan, magenta, yellow, black, white}?) < 1579016206 384368 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, k-shield radius < 1579016288 183295 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosso, verde, azzurro, ciano, magenta, giallo, nero, bianco < 1579016358 956154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish manages a triple fail, because blue 'sininen' / cyan 'sinivihreä/syaani', black 'musta' / magenta 'magenta' and green 'vihreä' / white 'valkoinen' all share a first letter. < 1579016419 87503 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, clearly, "B" should stand for "White" < 1579016466 888338 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've had to do a trick here which actually also works in English, saying "azure" instead of "blue") < 1579016467 255461 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1579016575 150510 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strange thing is, cmyb would actually work < 1579016618 266077 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also белый (now why do I remember that word...) < 1579016635 71480 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't think that's either English or Italian < 1579016644 480905 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: But it starts with a b. < 1579016671 335308 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it starts with a б < 1579016686 58644 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode б < 1579016688 452970 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0431 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BE] < 1579016777 223122 :sleepnap!~thomas@c-68-55-111-60.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1579016920 366311 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :be :D It could be jokingly read as “бе” with a palatalized /bʲ/ and it would be either a sheep imitation or a somewhat childish expression of mild disgust < 1579017056 675019 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit like "bah" in English? < 1579017202 631338 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. Also бэ, which is how the letter is pronounced today (and for quite a long time; I was surprised to know that some time ago it was pronounced with a palatalized consonant), is used for “bah” too < 1579017507 494865 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1579017721 518326 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1579017742 908298 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: try https://www.omniglot.com/language/colours/index.php < 1579017767 802716 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronounced and named officially*, though sometimes people write бе as there is an unphonetic streak that in many cases е is used in place of э and doesn’t mean the prev. consonant is palatalized. Cumbersome, though maybe English orthography is still more complex. Written languages like English are good in that they often allow several spellings as “the right ones”, like with coordinates, co-ordinates or even coördinates. Here, those circum < 1579017767 921991 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stances are very rare. People run themselves into a corner. One spelling reform back in IIRC sixties was cancelled because there was a loud protest to write several word classes in a more logical manner because they looked unpleasant. Uh, I’m certain those individuals would get accustomed to new spelling in no time < 1579018074 829038 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having experienced an orthography reform... it was exciting. < 1579018138 846187 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We had one in 1996, with a follow-up around 2004 that undid the most controversial aspects. But most of it stood the test of time. And yes, it involved allowing variant spellings.) < 1579018202 471487 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, French modern orthography has some words where the spelling looks weird but at least it's phonetic. the best example is probably "aigüe", where the diæresis is used because otherwise the u would be silent. < 1579018209 351994 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what variant spellings do to foreigners learning the language. < 1579018220 673330 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it can be quite confusing. < 1579018265 604788 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what, like "ass" and "arse"? or all the -our words (color, neighbor, behavior, honor, odor, etc)? < 1579018265 642653 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sher it woodent bee two confuzing < 1579018298 338832 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dwarfs and dwarves, fairy and fairie and fae? < 1579018326 211331 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone’s interested, one of the weird normative cases well-known today is the gender of “кофе” (coffee). Several centuries ago it pronounced and spelled like кофий and declined in a way normal for a masculine noun. Long story short, now its nom. sg. looks like a perfect case of a neuter gender noun like солнце, окно or e. g. какао (cocoa and cacao). In literary norm though its thought as indeclinable, and indeclinable < 1579018326 327233 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nouns in a language heavily using declension is a thorn. But using кофе as a declinable neuter noun is frowned upon in the “literate” circles. Though finally dictionaries start to adopt the declinable variant, after decades and decades of use. Still, many snobs think they know better that even a normative dictionary < 1579018415 679315 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1579018429 638053 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I imagine it can be quite confusing. => maybe, but at least they wouldn’t be frowned upon if using at all times only one of them < 1579018441 329088 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope at one point the MTA decides to investigate the question on how the words "kisebb, zőlő, folyosó, köpeny" should be spelled. it's tricky because in some of those cases, both pronunciation is used. < 1579018531 216886 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I typoed that < 1579018541 705968 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the words "kisebb, szőlő, folyosó, köpeny" < 1579018591 616890 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they also have to consider the cases where the pronunciation is clear, but despite that the spelling isn't, as in "bicikli/bicigli, kesztyű/keztyű" < 1579018685 309829 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternate spelling variants hurt searchability of course < 1579018766 929233 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural languages are hard :) < 1579018806 745566 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's especially bad when at least one of the spelling variant is homographic with some other word. < 1579018933 340235 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite is "mold" vs "mould", both of which can mean either a kind of fungus, or a container to shape something that you pour into as a liquid but then hardens. the latter is also called a "die", which has two other meanings, one of which is also spelled "dice". < 1579019053 136506 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The die is cast < 1579019075 873712 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1579019086 211441 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like fungus < 1579019097 556443 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fungot < 1579019097 803117 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: a ( add b c)) < 1579019114 994 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, cast is what you call when you shape an object by pouring it as a liquid into a mold or mould or die < 1579019134 704226 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a word meaning to throw < 1579019272 926096 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( The password of the minute is attention defici. ) < 1579019318 497411 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another example is "draught" vs "draft" < 1579019329 224736 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of which have way too many meanings < 1579019338 411467 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for some of them, you can use either spelling < 1579019339 674350 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dearest creature in creation... < 1579019364 373331 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pronunciation of "draught" should be more naughty. < 1579019384 223291 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: as in https://ozyandmillie.org/comic/ozy-and-millie-2103/ ? < 1579019421 686103 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: Yes, like hat. < 1579019546 43052 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also some other systematic variant English spellings besides the -or/-our words: a lot of -ize/-ise and -ization/-isation words, some of which come up in programming too; a few -er/-re words including scepter/sceptre, specter/spectre, meter/metre, liter/litre. < 1579019612 77437 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some -ice/-ise words, most commonly advice < 1579019721 20618 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally try to use -or, but "neighbor" and "behavior" are hard because the -our spelling is too much in my fingers; the -ize version, the -ice version, but I'm not sure about -er vs -re < 1579019738 665016 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-exojytwncgbxplrz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1579019743 287795 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's saber/sabre among the -er/-re words < 1579020786 697741 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1579022564 259330 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1579022706 273256 :FraterEST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1579024319 273109 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1579024506 339845 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1579024862 483362 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=devil&Query=die < 1579024881 81121 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : A cube of cheese no larger than a die < 1579024881 273057 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : May bait the trap to catch a nibbling mie. < 1579024930 448816 :FraterEST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 PART :#esoteric < 1579024972 818428 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have read that mice don't actually like cheese that much < 1579025016 568836 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got these no-kill mouse traps < 1579025028 795293 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the English instructions suggest using peanut butter or cheese < 1579025037 474211 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the French and Spanish instructions suggest peanut butter or chocolate < 1579025131 793953 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, english chocolate apparently is not as good, or french and spanish cheese is no good < 1579025168 776269 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its a price thing < 1579025340 217773 :zseri!~zseri@ip4d158302.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1579025503 698753 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that set of 3 languages it's probably marketed for North America < 1579025510 807489 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and American cheese is, objectively, terrible < 1579025518 645939 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's a kind of terrible that mice prefer to actual cheese, idk < 1579025538 787216 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mouse in our house seems to like brown rice and ramen noodles < 1579025542 959854 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there might just be terrible mice too < 1579025555 745551 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lately it's lurking in the living room / workspace too < 1579025557 77321 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they cant all be educated/cultured < 1579025561 248466 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it's not stealing my wires for nests < 1579025561 803205 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1579026217 635936 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1579026278 300982 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1579027506 512322 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1579028108 300632 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=devil&Query=die => wow, what an article! < 1579028142 674534 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's not CMYB because B was already for blue in RGB < 1579028243 346467 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1579028308 556912 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1579028424 357463 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1579028809 434447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The mice you entice prefer mainly the rice? > 1579029753 627465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Psychairefatback (Archive)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68846 5* 03Lebster 5* (+1881) 10Created page with "'''This page is an archive''' of the page for Psychairefatback, a language which I thought was cool and should be archived but that was removed by its creator. Here is the pag..." > 1579029800 748054 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Lebster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68847&oldid=68660 5* 03Lebster 5* (+27) 10/* Languages I like */ > 1579030548 488833 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Lebster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68848&oldid=68847 5* 03Lebster 5* (+92) 10 < 1579030782 75984 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1579030852 200718 :sleepnap!~thomas@c-68-55-111-60.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. > 1579030877 185813 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Lebster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68849&oldid=68848 5* 03Lebster 5* (+39) 10 > 1579030911 84774 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Lebster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68850&oldid=68849 5* 03Lebster 5* (+311) 10 > 1579030998 102887 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Lebster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68851&oldid=68850 5* 03Lebster 5* (-227) 10 > 1579031005 849002 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Lebster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68852&oldid=68851 5* 03Lebster 5* (-84) 10 > 1579032907 389869 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Finite-state mach... wait, WHAT!?14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68853 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2417) 10+[[Finite-state mach... wait, WHAT!?]] > 1579033006 283074 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68854&oldid=68843 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+40) 10+[[Finite-state mach... wait, WHAT!?]] > 1579033165 883888 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68855&oldid=68802 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+40) 10 < 1579034491 986330 :zseri!~zseri@ip4d158302.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: zseri < 1579034669 87560 :sleepnap!~thomas@c-68-55-111-60.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1579035772 424197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, it is possible in PostScript to specify separations even if separations are not implemented, so even before I implement separations in TeXnicard it is still possible to specify the text separation like Magic: the Gathering uses such as by writing: [/Separation /Text /DeviceGray {1.0 exch sub}] setcolorspace < 1579035874 654737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article I read did not metion the shiny mark I see on some newer cards (although maybe I missed it). Do you know how that works? Is it another separation? < 1579036035 622198 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you don't mean the hologram seal at the bottom, right? < 1579036065 399816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I do mean the hologram seal at the bottom, I think < 1579036120 865329 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one is on all rares and mythics since they introduced the new frame < 1579036219 457967 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was in 2014 for the Magic 2015 set I think < 1579036285 731361 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe they put that on cards so that they're more difficult to counterfeit, but not on all cards presumably to save printing costs < 1579036445 254562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably, but I was wondering how the printing of it works. Is it a separation, or is it just added to the entire rare sheet afterward, or something else? (Anyways, TeXnicard is not only for Magic: the Gathering, and is intended to contain nothing specific to Magic: the Gathering, and some people may use to make other card games too.) < 1579036489 237887 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't knowhow it's added < 1579036538 242130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1579036752 540286 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that there's a different shiny seal at the bottom of some card sleeves < 1579036769 741549 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :its location and shape is different < 1579036778 378394 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case you see those on photos of M:tG cards < 1579036981 479567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1579037027 596824 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably some info about the seal on cards in a Wizards article back in 2014 when it was introduced, but probably not about the print technology < 1579040247 935246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you interested in this software? < 1579040261 101345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know someone who is? < 1579040279 534739 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in TeXnicard? not really, because I don't want to create printed custom cards < 1579040322 136980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to create custom cards without printing them? (It is meant to be usable for that, too.) < 1579040338 386175 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in a way where I create a full image mockup for that < 1579040345 301346 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I created a very few as just text descriptions < 1579040370 77114 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly as just thought experiments for what cards would or would not work < 1579040480 244370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that works, although even with TeXnicard it would not require to render them; you can still create a card set and import/export them, query them, calculate statistics of them, make random packs, etc (I also intend to add a format for doing collaboration over NNTP, so that changes can be recorded using NNTP and commented on). MSE does similar thing but requires the card to be rendered to do anything at all. < 1579040531 38720 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what I should do is download and parse the text of all cards from Gatherer, plus download the text of all cards from Scryfall < 1579040544 66707 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started at one point but I was too lazy to finish < 1579040581 839589 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then once I get that, repeat it four times a year, once after each standard-legal set < 1579040613 369322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I wanted that data too < 1579041421 659242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Magic: the Gathering cards did you make up (even just for experiment)? < 1579042327 206655 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://esolangs.org/logs/2018-10.html#lsw < 1579042492 810583 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a green creature that you have to sacrifice when you control a creature with power greater than its power, but I couldn't get it to be a good card < 1579042504 42859 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a card that I'm satisfied with < 1579042644 113715 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I originally mentioned that card here: https://esolangs.org/logs/2015-10-06.html#loj < 1579043474 601124 :sleepnap!~thomas@c-68-55-111-60.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1579043749 521124 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds