< 1573345641 528410 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lmervzfhrlgsgyjz JOIN :#esoteric < 1573347496 979626 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-58-246.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1573347504 986380 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:157d:be05:6139:bba9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573351323 286103 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1573351344 999005 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso JOIN :#esoteric < 1573352537 874645 :hppavilion[1]!~omegasome@172.98.86.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573353009 897511 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1573353062 689359 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1573353160 814949 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1573353237 65704 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1573354927 873405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1573355018 786379 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1573357178 899221 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1573359390 806940 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Program Is Mostly Ignored14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67010&oldid=67002 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-240) 10/* Implementation of the modified version in 2-Echo Tag */ I may be mistaken due to being tired, but I *think* the miscounting you were suspecting is that the bolding step shouldn't be there at all. < 1573359739 307442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1573367673 107064 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1573368216 985749 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1573370318 535959 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1573370409 373560 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1573370847 597023 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.41.252.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1573371217 323822 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1573373028 573276 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am vaguely trying to relearn MUSHcode. Protip: Do not learn MUSHcode < 1573374594 365222 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1573376736 808063 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573381779 552569 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1573381789 543129 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:b584:176f:1863:d5d9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573381850 876402 :hppavilion[1]!~omegasome@172.98.86.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1573381958 976892 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:157d:be05:6139:bba9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1573383352 519868 :hppavilion[1]!~omegasome@172.98.86.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573387628 23087 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lmervzfhrlgsgyjz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1573387907 529720 :hppavilion[1]!~omegasome@172.98.86.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1573393467 870159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1573395470 971510 :hppavilion[1]!~omegasome@172.98.86.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573396821 682962 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? words < 1573396822 796487 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The `words dictionary framework was designed by Klens Hålgar Oslekk, Upert T. Noffrey, Guiston Degraîme, Myyntti Raatalla, Gölrika Rosenskild, Zwübert von Pfölliger, Waslomir Stronderowich, Győrvan Sárbik, Gareen Shergyle, Fnörður Hljófsson, and Pastronella Gattrovezzi. < 1573397049 976576 :hppavilion[1]!~omegasome@172.98.86.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1573399319 273379 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1573400225 911211 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1573400446 788083 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1573405010 894119 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1573405053 103558 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1573407760 873486 :ais523_!93bcc3ca@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573409903 290753 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1573411455 349490 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1573413619 349916 :ais523_!93bcc3ca@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.147.188.195.202 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1573415747 896250 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-58-134.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1573415948 565483 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:b584:176f:1863:d5d9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1573418360 975750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1573421124 612673 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan. I was just looking at wisdom/\`words , set in 2017-01. I wonder if it's time to revise it < 1573421211 717636 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.41.252.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words don’t come easy to me; what does it ever mean? < 1573421213 339544 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argument "donâM-\0M-^Yt" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148. < 1573421338 492243 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what is Gölrika Rosenskild supposed to represent? I should check that in the logs because it's not obvious < 1573421793 376757 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :u(my_custom_function, arg1) < 1573422032 250302 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it turns out that Kazal László has a song that has a lot of believable but fake Hungarian family names. my favourite is "Görkovács", which sounds quite real, yet when I did an internet search, the only results I found were that one song. < 1573422092 677926 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the names sound like they're of jewish or german origin, but you need at least some of those to make the spread realistic, and apparently they're easier to invent < 1573422136 773425 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also has a few easy ones like "G. Nagy" where "Nagy" is the single most common family name, and double names with an initial aren't too rare, but there are so many combinations that it's not hard to find ones that haven't been used yet < 1573422205 311410 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the story of the song is that the first person narrator wants to change his family name because he doesn't like the name Görény, and an officer suggests a list of possibilities to him from a phonebook < 1573422271 177314 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a list of close to 50 family names, a few of which are real by accident < 1573422295 450120 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, all this doesn't help the much harder problem of coming up with a fake but plausible Hungarian given name < 1573422766 115255 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :both Gölrika Rosenskild and Zwübert von Pfölliger look like german names to me < 1573422799 596962 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.41.252.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1573423124 572023 :booper!59ee8929@89.238.137.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573423166 263349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :While it's clearly Germanic more generally, Gölrika Rosenskild looks fake-Swedish to me. (Ulrika is a reasonably common Swedish first name.) < 1573423173 726109 :booper!59ee8929@89.238.137.41 PART :#esoteric < 1573423260 568435 :zeroFlow!59ee8929@89.238.137.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1573423270 726967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish it is. < 1573423322 921924 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I have one. Pügmalión < 1573423323 28260 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checked < 1573423326 901173 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1573423333 386440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders if b_jonas is biased to consider the hungarian fake names less plausible than the others simply because he knows the language better < 1573423333 423120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Swedish teacher in I-forget-what-grade had the surname Rosenberg. < 1573423374 398093 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pügmalión is a male name from classical mythology, so it could be used as a Hungarian given name easily, but isn't yet used < 1573423378 943625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosensköld is genuine btw < 1573423382 126182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I definitely consider "Myyntti Raatalla" less plausible than the others for precisely that reason. < 1573423421 31872 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: certainly, although I did say that I find Zwübert von Pfölliger over the top. but I also can't really help you find plausible names in other languages, < 1573423441 418080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `words < 1573423445 691658 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The `words dictionary framework was designed by Klens Hålgar Oslekk, Upert T. Noffrey, Guiston Degraîme, Myyntti Raatalla, Gölrika Rosenskild, Zwübert von Pfölliger, Waslomir Stronderowich, Győrvan Sárbik, Gareen Shergyle, Fnörður Hljófsson, and Pastronella Gattrovezzi. < 1573423456 962485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what i mean is that they're not _meant_ to look that plausible. < 1573423501 298736 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that Pedrillo is a nice italian male name that everyone knows from the Mozart opera and yet is barely used in the real world < 1573423564 268066 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and yes, I said that I recognize fake Hungarian given names because almost everyone wears either common given names or ones that don't look Hungarian < 1573423606 349133 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, they have to look somewhat over the top to be recognizably from a certain language < 1573423628 398876 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise we could just have ten Annas < 1573423639 254173 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, you want a male one < 1573423664 224335 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten Davids < 1573423685 881537 :zeroFlow_!zeroFlow@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/zeroflow JOIN :#esoteric < 1573423689 76709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conspiracy of Daves is clearly involved < 1573423693 521737 :zeroFlow_!zeroFlow@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/zeroflow QUIT :Client Quit < 1573423697 67645 :zeroFlow!59ee8929@89.238.137.41 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1573423716 59169 :zeroFlow!zeroFlow@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/zeroflow JOIN :#esoteric < 1573423749 442543 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not Daves. Dave sounds like an american name < 1573423758 722525 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :David < 1573423783 153036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Davida Loca < 1573423817 386534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Taavetti" is a Finnish form of David, though I think it's no longer really in use. < 1573423818 540000 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if "Göndör" would work as a given name < 1573423841 527160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gömböc should get things rolling < 1573423879 449071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denethör, Steward of Göndör. < 1573423897 246780 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also thinking of flower names, because that's an easy way to invent new names < 1573423906 444246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you're just taking Frodo's advice. < 1573423929 48056 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Szulák" was suggested, but the problem is that it's already a family name < 1573424009 23086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, still 661 Taavettis born since 2000. But at least it's down from the 1525 born in the years 1900-1919. < 1573424035 40175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think the statistics count all first names, I strongly suspect many of these are middle names.) < 1573424061 325810 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the statistics for hungary gives counts for first and second given names separately < 1573424065 346642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arnør could work in norwegian < 1573424069 636176 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but their order is mostly the same < 1573424110 838276 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I approve of < 1573424136 588555 :zeroFlow!zeroFlow@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/zeroflow QUIT :Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1573424183 768214 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few outliers: Magdolna is apparently common as a second given name, perhaps because of a famous Mária Magdolna < 1573424247 434205 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many people have the same given name twice < 1573424254 250735 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there Maria Marias? < 1573424270 698827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Finnish, I think there's a general bias of second names being more traditional than first names, maybe because people often give names already existing in the family tree as second (or third) names. < 1573424289 883770 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, that does happen, giving a second given name from family < 1573424540 788020 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, on the list of most common male given names given to newborns in 2018 in Hungary, the 6th is Noel. That's weird. Must be some new fashion. < 1573424595 92456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They used to have a per-year thing, but it's "removed for privacy reasons", so now I can only see decades. < 1573424640 576544 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bence is still holding strong in first place, despite that all the other top ones keep changing quickly.) < 1573424666 899196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an "Oliver" as #6 for male names in 2010-2019, I'm pretty sure that's some sort of a fashion too. < 1573424699 369216 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell by comparing to the statistics of given names among living people < 1573424733 491473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprisingly enough, top three are Juhani, Johannes and Mikael, which is a pretty old-fashioned triplet. < 1573424751 94519 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :top three for which one? < 1573424790 218228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top three for male names given to people 2010-2019, I assume mostly babies born then. < 1573424802 482083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not super-clear what the table means, though. < 1573424843 6452 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-77.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you average out over ten years, the fresh fashion ones fall lower and the always popular traditional names climb to top < 1573424853 313930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be that. < 1573426114 326561 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1573426361 602893 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ujjrebgpnldmdryb JOIN :#esoteric < 1573428379 426374 :moonheart08!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1573428547 763330 :moonheart08!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took a look at the esoteric programming language on wikipedia.. < 1573428553 569264 :moonheart08!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda had to snip it down < 1573428559 256596 :moonheart08!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aeemed really fancrufty < 1573429446 620323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1573429446 923634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 102250Z 08004KT 9999 FEW025 SCT035 BKN045 M04/M09 Q1014 RMK WIND 670FT 09007KT < 1573430106 694455 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1573430184 875080 :moony_!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric