< 1570233637 824544 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question is, without this mechanism (which has implications regarding the uniqueness of the generated binding), is it still turing complete? < 1570233765 774331 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how it could be. if I treat the tuple store as a set rather than a bag, there's no way to generate unique tuples without explicitly listing them all. < 1570233810 63605 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I treat it as a bag, then I could probably construct some sort of counter. < 1570234658 832886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this list of ideas for the game; to see if they like or dislike them or can make variants of it to make a more surprise to me. https://arin.ga/JfMezt What is your opinion of this, please? Do you have any further ideas please? < 1570236925 141198 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't make any sense of the irc program i wrote 10+ years ago < 1570236928 406207 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 8 bash shell scripts, uses 100% cpu... < 1570236931 418337 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know < 1570237010 421573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should write it to not use 100% CPU. < 1570237028 631130 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't intentional < 1570237088 708317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1570237172 796523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use IRC program I wrote by myself. If I were writing it today though I probably would do some things differently, such as not using PHP (I didn't have anything better at that time). < 1570237242 146607 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how beetle (it's name) works. < 1570237449 936040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than using 100% CPU, is it any good? < 1570237470 383620 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that it is, in a sense, multiple programs working as one. < 1570237471 143891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an IRC thing (though I think it might've been an ircII script) that used 100% of CPU too, except it was on my ISP's shared shell server and got me shouted at. < 1570237485 215051 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wince* < 1570237514 596053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't a particularly large ISP. < 1570237526 53223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They got acquired at least three levels deep, eventually. < 1570237537 962098 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:8d86:8b68:282f:ba77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1570237616 293486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dystopia (the original ISP) got bought up by sci.fi, which merged with a bunch of others to join Saunalahti, which eventually ended up owned by Elisa. < 1570237792 889774 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.6 < 1570237796 961267 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:8d86:8b68:282f:ba77 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1570238346 720510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1570239225 904013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to define busy-beaver-style numbers in a way people will easily agree on, what computation system should you use? < 1570239265 827453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The classic one with Turing machines has questions like whether the tape is double-sided, whether blank is a separate symbol, whether you count number of steps or output size, etc. < 1570239293 497765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a sequence that grows as quickly as BB but can be defined unambiguously in one sentence? < 1570239319 830678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking maybe somthing about the solution to a Diophantine equation of some size, but then defining the size of an equation is slightly awkward. < 1570239334 8202 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, tricky. I think the most important property for such a computation system (beyond being TC, of course) is being simple to state unambiguously. < 1570239922 937101 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you define something analogous to busy beaver machines with lambda calculus or combinators? < 1570239961 749364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1570239972 353256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can count the number of reductions or something. < 1570239974 952535 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1570239989 415596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just produce a large number. < 1570240002 278015 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess a SKI combinator busy beaver makes sense < 1570240003 493042 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :B(n) = the maximum number of reduction steps to normal form for a combinator string of size n < 1570240032 176824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even those cases still require you to define the syntax to measure size. < 1570240063 546998 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1570240075 684635 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's just a tree where leaves are labeled S or K, right? < 1570240086 253385 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a binary tree < 1570240252 44159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still more one way to count that :P < 1570240257 266267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+than < 1570240270 118405 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1570240275 762085 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should fit in one sentence < 1570240281 350432 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was the original goal < 1570240293 758490 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have to define S and K then it'd be a bit of a run-on sentence but whatever < 1570240437 59868 :stux|away!stux@cosmo.lunarshells.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1570240614 761995 :stux|away!stux@cosmo.lunarshells.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1570240647 448758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear there are entire books written as a single sentence, anyway. < 1570240733 719372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems schlock isn't going to attempt communication at this time. < 1570241651 710424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg œrjan < 1570241653 417226 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :9196:2016-10-08 ` sed -i \'s/\\. h/. H/\' wisdom/\xc5\x93rjan \ 9195:2016-10-08 learn \xc5\x93rjan is oerjan and \xc3\xb8rjan\'s superhero third cousin (once removed) from Qu\xc3\xa9bec. he got his cheesy powers by falling into a giant poutine bowl. \ 9194:2016-10-08 learn \xc5\x93rjan is oerjan and \xc3\xb8rjan\'s superhero third cousin (once removed) from Qu\xc3\xa9bec. he got his cheesy powers by falling into a giant pou < 1570241666 97199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowt œrjan < 1570241667 799721 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :9194:2016-10-08 learn \xc5\x93rjan is oerjan and \xc3\xb8rjan\'s superhero third cousin (once removed) from Qu\xc3\xa9bec. he got his cheesy powers by falling into a giant poutine bowl. \ 9195:2016-10-08 learn \xc5\x93rjan is oerjan and \xc3\xb8rjan\'s superhero third cousin (once removed) from Qu\xc3\xa9bec. he got his cheesy powers by falling into a giant poutine bowl. \ 9196:2016-10-08 ` sed -i \'s/\\. h/. H/\' wisdom/\x < 1570241689 862948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cannot recall whether he actually thought of Obelix, as obvious as it is
< 1570241700 858197 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obelix? < 1570241704 559576 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scratches her head
< 1570241715 202717 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you could also use binary lambda calculus < 1570241726 121218 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was designed for roughly this purpose < 1570241764 580719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: famous for also getting powers by falling into something hth < 1570241783 940697 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are cheesy powers < 1570241796 303248 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, as in Asterix & Obelix. Derp < 1570241874 288869 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom kmc < 1570241874 786078 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​kmc//kmc did not run the International Devious Code Contest of 2013. She is her own grandpa. < 1570241878 660583 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom pikhq < 1570241879 239898 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not wise. < 1570241884 130978 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom HackEso < 1570241887 79737 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​hackeso//HackEso is almost but not quite unlike HackEgo. < 1570241888 664011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: as a casein point, imagine spiderman-like web made of sticky cheese < 1570241900 289924 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. Shame about my lack of wisdom. < 1570241921 460225 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the wisest wisdom is none? < 1570241926 735299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no pikhq wisdom? < 1570241934 373594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg pikhq < 1570241935 703395 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1570241938 626946 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woe betides < 1570241940 707664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never has been < 1570241952 643803 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have always been a fool < 1570241975 730394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then i can save work on correcting pronouns < 1570241992 569704 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that does make things easier. < 1570242053 1948 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benefits of being an unquotable fool: pronouns become much more mutable state < 1570242063 142127 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fewer side effects < 1570242143 403844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( some day i will be the last cis male in this channel. ) < 1570242179 189064 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :A likely story < 1570242389 248170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just extrapolation https://xkcd.com/605/ < 1570242412 675213 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that tracks. < 1570242583 819166 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :By extension, soon the entire world will be trans. We're taking over, muahahaha < 1570242588 535713 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm arguing with a mycophobe on reddit :| < 1570242598 334504 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :A... mycophobe? < 1570242605 143706 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who's afraid of _fungus_? < 1570242607 936490 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who is irrationally fearful of mushrooms < 1570242612 311827 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would include most americans < 1570242621 58630 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say what now < 1570242628 560096 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mushrooms are delicious. < 1570242637 37326 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "eating mushrooms can be dangerous and you have to know what you're doing" but "oh god anyone who tries to pick mushrooms is going to die no matter how careful they are" < 1570242649 635900 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this person also seems to think the only reason to pick wild mushrooms is to save money < 1570242649 711257 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1570242658 859450 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I used to think I'd be the last cis male left < 1570242665 924591 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1570242685 301388 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So, tell me how that worked out? :) < 1570242736 618105 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1570242753 807274 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nyaruhodō < 1570242763 1803 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the year 2050, all coding is done by trans lesbian catgirls, all of whom are dating each other < 1570242776 616162 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1570242814 164413 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Naruhodō" (I see), said in a catlike fashion < 1570242832 447942 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: And then, the economy will finally become subservient to the gay agenda. < 1570242842 84679 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jsyjyrhjdxxukayy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1570242863 545819 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems apropos https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71753317_680517102458398_924369166457110528_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQnaI1aohRyAnMzmm-SsSpMKuebusN3Z9PHoa_cp9IRhvAhHuFh92CAjnr9S8lp-Dp1goWX-QZKulownlDCH54dW&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=f1303938ed1d6cfd9ed4361195396396&oe=5E29C3BA < 1570242903 918073 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *taps fingers together* eeeeeeexcellent < 1570244339 515436 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1570244748 540204 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:7d65:8bf2:99dc:197e JOIN :#esoteric < 1570245053 536030 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:7d65:8bf2:99dc:197e QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1570246614 269967 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1570246637 82377 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1570246698 985641 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1570247399 610178 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know anything about meditation? < 1570247414 9452 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinds to do, how to get started etc < 1570247465 244309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much. < 1570247490 792709 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here I thought you were omniscient. What use are you anyways? < 1570247539 265515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some people who are into it, at various levels of hippitude, and they tend to recommend it? < 1570248014 972547 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:7d65:8bf2:99dc:197e JOIN :#esoteric < 1570248275 966685 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:7d65:8bf2:99dc:197e QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1570249116 649173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1570250212 697577 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done a bit of meditation < 1570250303 484707 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically all I've done is go into a hypnagogic state while my brain is still awake, basically lay completely still for a long time < 1570250391 244771 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually you should feel an, uh, weight, or numbness, leading down your extremities < 1570250553 95371 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird not having any (changing) sensory input at all... < 1570251342 964424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to control the set of characters that pushing control and a arrow key skips to in the location bar in Firefox? I want it to skip to only / & = # ? < 1570251601 2571 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0: cool < 1570251608 691176 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try a sensory deprivation float tank probably next week < 1570251617 100837 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see what that's like < 1570251647 486905 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun, let me know how that goes < 1570251659 90910 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure thing < 1570251770 355531 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like a sensory deprivation tank would produce the same effects as I get, but I'm not sure if there's anything else I'm not (sensing/feeling/experiencing) < 1570252697 532620 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1570252883 8226 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1570252888 299875 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it'll be different for everyone anyway < 1570252893 220764 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm glad to share my experiences < 1570252912 432646 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a longstanding interest in altered mental states. < 1570252940 312702 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one semester in college I had 2 roommates so I built the space under my desk into a sensory isolation sleeping pod < 1570252943 313349 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great < 1570252959 3934 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a thick piece of wood and blackout curtains that I could slide against the open side < 1570252975 76284 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I slept in there, would also watch tv on my laptop, or listen to music in the dark < 1570252999 913579 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm also into psychedelic drugs but you know that. < 1570253011 73948 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you ever taken psychedelic drugs? < 1570253042 39107 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried to meditate a bit, but never made a habit of it; I am much better at forming habits now than I was the last time I tried, so maybe it will stick this time < 1570253052 654684 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my therapist recommend going to some events at the SF Zen Center < 1570253074 185008 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hynagogic states are interesting < 1570253082 607581 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypnagogic* < 1570253093 306317 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as are dreams < 1570253102 913651 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used galantamine a couple of times to enhance dreaming < 1570253156 974228 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never had a real habit of meditating < 1570253191 387332 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always been somethting I do once every 2 days - 2 months ish < 1570253224 492281 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1570253236 918043 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did take a class on buddhism which I thought was really great < 1570253241 225678 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1570253372 833871 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the professor is a monk - he teaches at a monestary/university and I don't know what else to say < 1570253409 439607 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1570253458 714824 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing i do that is maybe a bit like meditation (or maybe even the opposite) is to listen to music intently in a way that crowds out 'verbal' thoughts < 1570253463 774675 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels good < 1570253540 756253 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point in my late teens I gained the ability to follow multiple voices in music in a deeper way than I could before -- in a way that actually feels like multithreaded attention < 1570253576 270452 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happened shortly after I first smoked pot, i don't know if that's related but plausibly < 1570253584 683531 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like "not thinking verbal thoughts" is a distinct state of consciousness different from a lot of others < 1570253679 479218 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1570253687 487241 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the goal of many forms of meditation is to reach this state? < 1570253704 899559 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's what you get from listening while high af, and (chanting/dancing/etc) while arguably sober < 1570253712 388123 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1570253844 335572 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think drugs usually *don't* help me get there < 1570253859 944133 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i am very analytical and keep trying to describe the drug experience in words (in my own head or to others) < 1570253911 24445 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if that's not where my attention focuses, i get really analytical on psychedelics < 1570253915 984876 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannabis might be better for it < 1570253930 734636 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I think listening to music intently (whether sober or not) is the best way I know to do it < 1570253940 353906 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : that makes sense... when I take drugs, I always think about how it's different from base reality < 1570253981 431359 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not tried psychadelics, just weed, so there's that < 1570253994 474865 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, weed/booze < 1570254007 764578 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from this discussion I get the feeling that you would find psychedelics interesting :) < 1570254036 51886 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think so < 1570254051 642504 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I'm sure theyd be interesting < 1570254086 615256 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure why I have qualms about taking them < 1570254101 661323 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :never had an easy chance to < 1570254123 476801 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1570254181 951271 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to wait and do it right < 1570254192 264970 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the experience is determined mostly by set&setting and not by the drug itself < 1570254207 15347 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stanislav grof called LSD a "nonspecific amplifier of mental processes" or something like that, and I think he's right < 1570254224 929712 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think of it as turning up the gain on all sorts of pattern matching systems < 1570254265 290941 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you start to see things that aren't there, but also things that are real and had eluded you previously < 1570254273 989677 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just in the literal sense of 'see' but also with respect to emotions and cognition < 1570254282 870448 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it's hard to put it into words of course. < 1570254417 727900 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, see/experience/feel are different < 1570254440 560559 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then on the more intense experiences the subject/object boundary itself becomes permeable, or dissolves entirely < 1570254478 532063 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure I understand that sentence < 1570254494 765659 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is impossible to describe. anything you say about it is a contradiction because our way of talking is essentially predicated on that distinction < 1570254507 356043 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a statement like "I experienced ego death" is obviously contradictory < 1570254512 451734 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet < 1570254532 873800 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ego death is... a thing that happens < 1570254534 862456 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1570254537 802002 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't happen *to* anyone < 1570254573 77169 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was essentially a panpsychist before I started taking psychedelics but it's one thing to believe something and another to experience it, you know? < 1570254585 909207 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that there is only one thing, which is you and me and the universe and God and doesn't even need a name < 1570254596 999055 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the boundaries are heuristics we impose on the world < 1570254619 732520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was a v. small human I remember just naturally thinking that everyone was the same person. < 1570254631 243111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And being surprised at the realization that maybe that's not true. < 1570254639 2132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it could be a fake memory like most of my earliest memories. < 1570254641 691114 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you include yourself in that? < 1570254649 110346 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know your early memories are fake? < 1570254651 655633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1570254674 939694 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1570254687 354218 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a lot of childhood memories. I'm told this is a thing that happens with dissociation < 1570254690 358146 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I have enough < 1570254693 840760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them I can tell because they match stories that I've been told, but then when I ask about further details it turns out they're wrong (e.g. not in the place I thought). < 1570254704 801183 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1570254736 940706 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you mean by the me/universe/god statement < 1570254746 864079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Others I think are fake due to other heuristics but I don't remember the details now. < 1570254748 276847 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0: I'm only going to make a fool of myself if I try < 1570254751 611646 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how these things go < 1570254772 922889 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande frequently submits corrections to my autobiography < 1570254774 195894 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1570254781 454570 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think his memory is better than mine overall < 1570254944 526572 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :before searching for it again I felt like https://principiadiscordia.com/book/57.php < 1570254947 790628 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be relevant < 1570254952 665956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When any player casts a spell, that player may choose a number which is a multiple of the converted mana cost of that spell, is less than or equal to forty, and has not yet been chosen for ~. If they do not, they lose five life. < 1570254960 80573 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :re-searching? < 1570255038 47207 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0: that is a nice page < 1570255048 180055 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pretty into discordianism as a teenager < 1570255054 965168 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably go back and read the texts again < 1570255056 188668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0: I read that before, and, I think it is good. < 1570255069 103656 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads logs: I know was re: (I'll make a fool of myself if I try)
< 1570255081 498920 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pick a grid, and through it some chaos appears ordered and some appears disordered. Pick another grid, and the same chaos will appear differently ordered and disordered." < 1570255087 721413 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can be made mathematically precise in quantum mechanics < 1570255111 399584 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the reasons I like it < 1570255114 52893 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have different basis sets for a hilbert space < 1570255128 74673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I suppose so. I have not considered that, but, yes, that makes sense. < 1570255129 284439 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a state that looks entangled in one basis is separated in another < 1570255138 248479 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything you do in the system is basically a change of basis? < 1570255160 685357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, does entanglement depend on your basis? < 1570255161 811702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One book about philosophy that I had read some time ago, mentioned, quoting someone else, they expected you can write a serious book about philosophy consisting entirely of jokes. Now I can think that is correct, because that is what Principia Discordia is. < 1570255162 944157 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum observation is choosing a basis and then projecting the system state onto it < 1570255165 943809 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe not < 1570255176 27436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that, like being a rank-1 matrix, separability was basis-independent. < 1570255195 382259 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that seems about right < 1570255233 951747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, I had a basic question about quantum things that maybe you know the answer to. < 1570255247 725671 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't expect me to be correct < 1570255255 544996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like all the quantum things I know, like entanglement, can be local. < 1570255257 282216 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in my current state < 1570255263 62516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know what locality means. < 1570255268 567926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I do? < 1570255322 293987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have looked at the mathematics of quantum state vectors, and it does seem like some states might be entangled or unentangled from some point of view. But, it is confusing and apparently even scientists do not understand so well, so I have heard? < 1570255342 362755 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no, the PD is completely serious. there's no jokes in it < 1570255362 571120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think the specific thing about whether a state is separable or not is just regular multilinear algebra that people do understand? < 1570255363 977213 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to get a hot dog
< 1570255407 930453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Probably you are correct. < 1570255491 397570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0: Are you sure there is no jokes in it? I thought it is completely serious despite it consists entirely of jokes. < 1570255504 597563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1570255508 901354 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:norway//Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. It's where the Nobel Peace Prize is announced. It's a warm, dry place, at least compared to Québec. \ k//K K K Ken \ brain//Brains are just receptacles for bricks. \ `hello//`hello prints variants of hello, world. To control format, pass a single letter as command-line argument. "@"=>"hello, world", "H"=>"hello, world.", P=>"hello, world!", "X"=>"hello, world,", take 1 letter later to s/h/H/, 2 < 1570255510 740926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1570255511 225679 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:letter later to s/o,/o/, 4 letter later to s/w/W/, lowercase to remove newline. \ te sting//This is horrible? < 1570255688 757017 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm pretty sure that's syi sydasti < 1570255864 683733 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sri syadasti even < 1570256205 541568 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stinxkqjbcookjyt JOIN :#esoteric < 1570256833 967528 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:7d65:8bf2:99dc:197e JOIN :#esoteric < 1570257512 980267 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1570257743 491353 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ddate < 1570257743 921097 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Pungenday, the 59th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3185 < 1570257745 18540 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1570257797 145789 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Client Quit < 1570258033 125320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1570258157 144034 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1570259279 963795 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1570259304 894541 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1570259330 401165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/records_of_puzzles < 1570260067 97883 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART :#esoteric < 1570261956 585409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I like the sentence "Do you like this?". < 1570261961 988350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you were asking about? < 1570262074 96470 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't get it... it's neither fun nor a pun. < 1570262698 923528 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0 : hm, i've done that, some < 1570262724 609256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like non-interactive zero-knowledge proofs? < 1570262748 653725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of surprised there appear to be so many tradeoffs in ZKP options rather than one clearly best way to do it. < 1570263071 254340 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( that often happens when you solve an impossible problem ) < 1570263124 913253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impossible why? < 1570263161 200215 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, nzsnarks are cool < 1570263184 310846 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took a class from Andrew Miller on applied crypto < 1570263213 318009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you transfer a full understanding of nzsnarks directly into my brain? < 1570263246 129735 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :man I wish it were in my brain < 1570263268 730047 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to study the scribbled class notes
< 1570263301 452017 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( one should be able to teach those while having zero knowledge of the topic ) < 1570263341 356715 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hooloovo0 : the laying still thing, i mean) < 1570263418 188132 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you feel during/after? < 1570263476 458843 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interested if it's similar to my own experience or if there's some qualitative differences < 1570263511 772949 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally, my heart can sometimes start beating heavily, for no discernable reason < 1570263592 956339 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be hard to maintain a relaxed attention thing. not paying particular attention to breathing, to heart, to visual (non-)input, &c. < 1570263628 900925 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that can happen < 1570263640 652752 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some cases, i've layed, thinking about some mathy/logicy/programmingy problem, and after awhile noticed the sensory world has just faded away < 1570263693 901127 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some times, i've tried counting up (sometimes in hexadecimal) (at a sortof irregular pace), in order to keep mind busy, balancing at sleep's edge < 1570263820 337440 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally, i've had these weird momentary visual impressions of some kind of scene (i'm pretty sure i didn't accidentally open my eyes), however, disappeared too quickly for me to get any bearings on what's in the scene. i've wondered whether that's a hypnagogic hallucination, but if it is, i suspect it's not the usual kind < 1570263875 285545 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not sure there is a 'usual hypnagogic' < 1570263879 246083 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(relevant here is perhaps that i don't think i'm a visual thinker, i have a hard time visualizing anything at all. i think maybe i'm thinking "structurally" (in terms of connections ?), perhaps ?) < 1570263886 650962 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1570263890 873316 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is happening < 1570263902 354068 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to half-sleep > 1570263926 502237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brachylog14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66462&oldid=50788 5* 03A 5* (-34) 10Technically Prolog is a 3GL that describes how to achieve a specified result, so does Brachylog, which is inspired by Prolog. < 1570263952 987607 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am definitely a visual thinker, so I'm not sure what non-visual hypnagogicity would be like < 1570263970 926751 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing which i'm pondered if it maybe is, is related to WILDs, that i saw someone describe. they'd lay awake, and eventually they'd be "presented" with scenes, which if they "jumped into", they'd become dreams (lucid) < 1570264030 753323 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only once or twice had lucid dreams... they were ok, I guess? < 1570264097 756398 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(occasionally, i've had a sensation (partly controllable) of "mind being curled up like a piece of paper in a roll, tighter and tighter". not quite sure how to express that) < 1570264103 47389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: Did you read the book _Impro_? < 1570264110 687596 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, i don't think i've had them many times, either < 1570264117 489500 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : no, what's it about ? < 1570264131 965571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All sorts of things. But it opens with a discussion of this, I think. < 1570264147 757667 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is bad at remembering dreams. should perhaps try setting the alarm clock one hour earlier some time, again
< 1570264175 980609 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I've had a similar sensation... but I'm not sure < 1570264187 189958 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was probably not sober at the time < 1570264200 511897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Impro_ is such a good book. < 1570264240 699092 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ( ,,, )
< 1570264335 563763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: See the first chapter, _Note on Myself_, starting at page 14. < 1570264349 326257 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some book i read described working at it "from both ends", trying to get more access to dreams, from an awake state of mind (iirc, some types of meditation), but also trying to get more access to waking thoughts, from a dreaming state of mind) < 1570264384 134481 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Impro: Improvisation and the Theatre" by Keith Johnstone in 1979 ? < 1570264404 637967 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PART :#esoteric < 1570264517 439294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: Yes. > 1570264550 631332 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deklare14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66463&oldid=66176 5* 03A 5* (+1369) 10How do I execute a program? < 1570264569 59929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See link.) < 1570264589 53751 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm, some time ago, someone in another channel was talking a bit about their programming team being send to some improvised drama thing. this person liked it) > 1570264771 310163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deklare14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66464&oldid=66463 5* 03A 5* (+236) 10 > 1570264822 185623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deklare14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66465&oldid=66464 5* 03A 5* (+124) 10 < 1570264905 683578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By 14 I mean 13. < 1570265424 386305 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, interesting. thank you < 1570265451 867788 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I thought of a house, ..." -- i'm not sure i could do that < 1570265543 640798 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ( "Aphantasia: Seeing the world without a mind's eye" (TEDx) by Tamara Alireza in 2016 at ,(questionarie) ,"Vividness of Visual Imagery" )
< 1570265594 41848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, this first chapter (20 pages) is so good. < 1570265668 199718 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1570265909 513360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the rest of the book. < 1570265951 192914 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: :q < 1570266044 518055 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1570266661 648178 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1570266946 881264 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1570267791 869362 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1570269168 83167 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1570269252 321624 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1570269607 368367 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:zseri!~zseri@ip4d158302.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1570285329 4263 :zseri!~zseri@ip4d158302.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1570285463 250314 :zseri!~zseri@ip4d158302.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1570285761 539469 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:a5aa:a826:2910:c434 JOIN :#esoteric < 1570286042 518650 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:a5aa:a826:2910:c434 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1570286864 677395 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98c9c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1570287636 677560 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98c9c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1570287701 910464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98995.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1570288332 321217 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1570288672 547878 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1570288989 538331 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1570289817 953165 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@24.185.137.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1570289856 772225 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1570289880 466386 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1570289941 380638 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1570290002 882981 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98995.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1570290445 891752 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.6 < 1570290572 429239 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1570290580 216476 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Name of author by Title of book” has some funny scenes though generally it’s too crazy confusingly crazily confusing even for me < 1570290780 687448 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like “I’m going to sell your company to me” one, — “What do you mean? I won’t sell!” — “That’s why I’m going to do it” < 1570290800 920864 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CEO of the future" < 1570290805 471336 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and then something confusing happens just the next moment) < 1570290815 139817 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that confusing < 1570290831 133688 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :people sell things that don't belong to them all the time < 1570290898 454770 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, yes, I don’t disagree, ownership is a shady concept < 1570290930 590405 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The international space station, filled with chess-playing Russians and Americans so atrophied they can never return home" < 1570290933 915084 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds legit < 1570290943 322080 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :although were the fuck did the European astronauts go? < 1570290974 190088 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to Europe maybe^W^W^W < 1570291022 960272 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I it sat half-read for some time and I’m going to try to finish it maybe < 1570291073 517404 :stux|away!stux@cosmo.lunarshells.com QUIT :Quit: Aloha! < 1570291088 503169 :stux|away!stux@2a01:270:2050:1337::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1570291104 125179 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :controversial pieces < 1570291112 905409 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write them, not read < 1570291128 859402 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read "House of Leaves", by Mark Z. Danielewski? < 1570291305 371059 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1570291325 652921 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1570291374 713311 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1570291378 904885 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKoen: no < 1570291411 637670 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... interesting < 1570291415 640190 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's pretty good < 1570291425 649541 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :the format is a bit unusual < 1570291427 640955 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the scenario is really, really unexpected < 1570291773 473213 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1570292242 481109 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear there are entire books written as a single sentence, anyway. => yeah. some of them seem like they're just multiple sentences search-replaced to change sentence ending to semicolons. < 1570292265 695226 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes what I write on irc looks like that too. I should work on writing shorter sentences. < 1570292274 973937 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:a5aa:a826:2910:c434 JOIN :#esoteric < 1570292366 487714 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1570292541 994135 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:a5aa:a826:2910:c434 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1570293000 343068 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marce Proust wrote his books with looooong sentences < 1570293016 290016 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes, by the point the sentence ends, I forgot what the beginning of the sentence was about < 1570293753 40683 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" ... thinking that everyone was the same person." => as in http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html ? < 1570294575 169329 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stinxkqjbcookjyt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1570294736 886393 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1570294831 365213 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :(5000) (fizzbuzz) takes 27 seconds. ugh. < 1570294876 234134 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually wonder why that is. the interpreter has crazy long pauses between steps. < 1570295042 430365 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long does 99 beers take? < 1570295237 525859 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the profiling time has come > 1570295242 329995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Zull14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=66472 5* 03MiroslavRD 5* (+621) 10Created page with "Zull? More like NULL!!! --~~~~" < 1570295250 769909 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://repl.it/repls/CompleteSpringgreenSpreadsheet < 1570295257 982599 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's (100) (fizzbuzz). > 1570295260 264990 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brachylog14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66473&oldid=66462 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+34) 10Declarative < 1570295262 849912 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes 2 seconds. < 1570295272 661948 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aahY61e38ms Evoland - this is an interesting game, I first saw a run on a GDQ < 1570295318 682610 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.47ms to expand all the macros, ~2s to fully run FizzBuzz. < 1570295352 215179 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw long pauses between printing when executing it locally and with larger values. < 1570295391 897781 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1570295766 49364 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zull14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66474&oldid=63920 5* 03MiroslavRD 5* (+112) 10Added more links, 2 sections, and i don't know what i also did < 1570296053 670293 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python3 -cfor n in range(1,101):print(("FizzBuzz","Buzz","Fizz",n)[(0 1570296291 931378 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sashleyfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66475&oldid=66402 5* 03MiroslavRD 5* (+154) 10 < 1570296492 260029 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1570297653 52974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: No. < 1570298196 91547 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1570300325 421402 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1570300345 136827 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a binary lambda calculus tutorial somewhere around the web < 1570300353 79706 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for someone who has barely ever programmed pure FP < 1570300397 97166 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1570300397 776998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a tutorial? < 1570300419 375598 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that will help me understanding the concept < 1570300436 825987 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been looking for assemblers too, but it seems like I'm out of luck < 1570300609 974460 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tutorial < 1570300610 855571 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tutorial? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1570300620 547233 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tutorial is a writeup about burritos I think < 1570300623 610675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My tutorial is as follows: 1. Learn regular lambda calculus. 2. Learn binary lambda calculus. < 1570300637 843655 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: I recommend David Madore's old unlambda writeup < 1570300655 748147 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.madore.org/~david/programs/unlambda/ < 1570300658 988829 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1570300663 940715 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.madore.org/~david/programs/unlambda/ < 1570300667 64147 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid browser < 1570300671 13349 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the esolang that has the simplest possible implementation (not necessarily language). < 1570300679 310105 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytebytejump < 1570300685 218862 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall one being 6 instructions worth of- yeah something like that. < 1570300713 5066 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: that's not a well-defined question, but Three-Star Programmer and Waterfall Model are candidates < 1570300738 473741 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/MerseneTuringCompletness/blob/master/SeedProof.tex#L581 < 1570300743 946714 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to take the C code if you need it < 1570300768 209617 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also probably bytepusher, but I hate it < 1570300785 536187 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of my enemy esolangs, like brainfuck < 1570300807 679768 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" . o O ( some day i will be the last cis male in this channel. )" => after you get rid of me, obviously < 1570300841 506250 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wait, so what gender are you now? < 1570300855 36070 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a girl ^_^
< 1570300882 334648 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: I don't know what this is. < 1570300887 277364 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we'll run out of cis males, because we get replaced by more young cis males that grow up < 1570300900 400359 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode, it's BBJ interpreter in C < 1570300904 432705 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this particular line selected < 1570300912 972264 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1570300915 509538 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more afraid of the scenario when trans people become the majority so the standards flip upside down, and we'll be the weird ones < 1570300916 79708 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the document won't probably help you much xd < 1570300922 684428 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think even that would be a win for us < 1570301020 912465 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :_what_. < 1570301033 703249 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytepusher is a game console using bytebytejump? < 1570301036 64661 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus. < 1570301041 736517 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome! < 1570301062 717986 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more concerning fact is < 1570301066 332850 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made an assembler for that < 1570301069 728067 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( how fast does it run... ) < 1570301075 175783 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and binary lambda calculus is still something I'm too stupid for < 1570301096 593889 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: why is that concerning? I made an assembler for an OISC too, to be able to use symbolic names that work even if I insert or delete words < 1570301103 396899 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think, realistically, that is very far off < 1570301108 994035 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even added local labels < 1570301123 447982 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, well, bytebytejump is a hard thing to get right < 1570301127 79433 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're only like 0.6% of the overall population < 1570301129 89127 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the lookup tables < 1570301145 312688 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is BBJ turing complete due to lookup tables? < 1570301153 143549 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1570301158 572578 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can add only using lookup tables < 1570301160 795669 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or subtract < 1570301168 962791 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, BBJ can't be TC.. < 1570301170 148517 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: who are "we"? trans people, or trans females? and do you count infants into the population? < 1570301174 900075 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trans people < 1570301175 381098 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can make a subleq to bytebytejump compiler < 1570301188 459290 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually < 1570301191 965358 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really interested in doing that < 1570301224 237343 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1570301228 929724 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the nyan cat for bytepusher < 1570301231 783436 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is the "structured" equivalent of BBJ. < 1570301233 530665 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 190 kilobytes big < 1570301257 124145 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I'm not surprised at, you need so many lookup tables. < 1570301258 163626 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode, you're left on your own on this one < 1570301260 441167 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1570301282 732435 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is there a census on this? I'd like to know the ratio of trans males vs trans females, because it seems like I hear more of trans females somehow, which is weird < 1570301306 295085 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really have a "structured" equivalent of BBJ, because there's.. no conditional machinery. < 1570301347 941745 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's relatively few stats on it. I would suspect it's 50/50, and you're biased by the spaces you occupy, _buuut_ there's very limited actual studies. < 1570301368 259908 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, I'm quite likely biased, which is why I'd like to know < 1570301416 710930 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/How-Many-Adults-Identify-as-Transgender-in-the-United-States.pdf is one of the better demographic studies we've got < 1570301437 824598 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've experienced that there are more mtf than ftm honestly < 1570301483 381334 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, although I suppose the reason. < 1570301568 455825 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that gives a split by age, which is useful, but not a split by genders < 1570301573 538457 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in tech. We're overrepresented because cis men are overrepresented. < 1570301576 402821 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yeah < 1570301691 433314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know or care too much how many trans people it is, I think if that is what they want to do, OK; but, I think that it can confuse the language in some cases, and I also think that this "gender identity" shouldn't be needed. One suggestion I have seen is for "man" and "woman" to be social but for "male" and "female" to be biological; that helps a bit, I suppose. < 1570301717 516369 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'know, I like that distinction. < 1570301725 559577 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously I only know when people tell that they are trans, so for most trans people I probably don't know that they are trans because I don't care < 1570301765 617162 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the more trans female is just among people who write on the internet that they are trans female and I read it < 1570301785 918156 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that's oversimplifying things intensely, and betrays an unfamiliarity with how this shit works < 1570301816 309570 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It appears the institute that did that study is now trying to do a better demographic survey now. < 1570301828 517866 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to them, it will be the _first_ such demographic survey ever done. < 1570301834 778361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, it is simplifying it. You can have sex change too, so you can be a kind of hybrid, too. (You can also be born as a hybrid of male and female; it does happen.) < 1570301836 573862 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems quite likely < 1570301888 551734 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Additionally, much of what we think of "biological sex" is, uh, purely hormonal. < 1570301906 363329 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot take enough hormones to turn your penis into a vagina. < 1570301911 160389 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vice versa. < 1570301916 13044 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no, it really isn't. < 1570301919 725816 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's genetic. < 1570301935 135150 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Developmentally speaking, your penis was once a vagina, and then testosterone happened. < 1570301939 428695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I think that even if a person is a "man" and not a "woman", if they are biologically female (or had the functions of such) at the time their child was born, then they are that child's mother. And if (hypothetically) someone can manage to change their biological sex enough from female to male later and have another child as the male function, then they can be one person's mother and another person's father. < 1570301960 69165 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm pretty sure I'm a male because of my chromosomes. < 1570301963 318105 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The mere act of "defining biologically female" is itself _much_ more difficult than you think. < 1570301978 53640 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Orly? Have you actually had a karyotype done? < 1570301993 12668 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_chromosome basic biology. < 1570302021 412235 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanna argue gender identity, whatever. but biology is biology. < 1570302035 748909 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Bio 102: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testis-determining_factor < 1570302052 44315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I know it is more complicated (I don't know all of the details, but I know it is more complicated than the simplified version I mentioned) < 1570302071 993610 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: TLDR: shut up, you don't know what you're talking about, you're just being an ass. < 1570302073 486298 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations, that doesn't change your genetic makeup. < 1570302089 466037 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :TL;DR stop discussing this in this channel. < 1570302094 559854 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Unless you have actually had a genetic test, you don't even know what your genetic makeup is. < 1570302106 68790 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Oh fuck off. < 1570302111 5061 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you first. < 1570302152 123234 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the one who's being offensive and self-righteous. That you are upsetting me intentionally in this way is _your_ fault. < 1570302163 396984 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun on ignore. < 1570302182 516662 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :ops: Do we have a policy on offensive BS? < 1570302229 135001 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :“but chromosomes” is a pretty low quality argument tbh < 1570302236 460125 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1570302248 428931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe much of it is purely hormonal, but there is also genetics, and perhaps other stuff, so, it is complicated. I don't know how it works though; I am not a biologist. But, I think that chromosomes are probably a part of it. < 1570302248 896689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I didn't wnat to start that < 1570302284 40322 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They are -- ish. There's a gene that is commonly on the Y chromosome that triggers the production of certain hormones that triggers a large pile of other phenotypical changes. < 1570302291 545980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, a X chromosome, is, normally, something that both male and female will have.) < 1570302294 136948 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually _stunningly_ complicated. < 1570302309 793664 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's plenty of ways for it to go screwy. < 1570302311 346977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I believe you. < 1570302326 726366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even if I do not understand it completely) < 1570302337 23587 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the gene is only _usually_ on the Y chromosome. It moves over to the X sometimes. There's literally XX cis men walking around. < 1570302414 240879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK. I didn't know that, but, OK. < 1570302417 521764 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :biological sex is complicated but at least it is amenable to scientific inquiry < 1570302438 704980 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :j4cbo: Gender identity is too -- people are real, even if they're fuzzy and harder to measure. :) < 1570302447 438953 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concentration of mentally ill people on IRC never ceases to amaze me. < 1570302457 119869 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :ops: ^ < 1570302493 566901 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: identity sure, but societal expectations and roles are impossibly complicated < 1570302508 287682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It seems to me that such thing as "XX cis men" might be a kind of hybrid, since "XX" is supposed to designate female, but in this case they are otherwise male; but, I don't really know what the proper definitions are, so I may be wrong.) < 1570302523 243283 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's physics. I hear physics is a well-established field. < 1570302542 960456 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The sex-determining region Y is more-or-less the only functional content of the Y chromosome. < 1570302558 391433 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics is measurable in ways that culture is not < 1570302578 258973 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why sociology is hard. < 1570302584 896438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1570302612 841077 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's real, so you can _do_ science on it. Just... hopelessly difficult, so expect to spend all your time on establishing basic results. < 1570302701 211413 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1570302723 698338 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is beginning to see why some other former regulars abandoned this channel
< 1570302876 975757 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode’s “ops should not wear hats” thing is unhelpful imo < 1570302895 532715 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :define wear hats. < 1570302924 808460 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :j4cbo: Yeah, it makes it difficult to decide who to escalate a conflict over what is appropriate discussion in a channel to. < 1570302972 510285 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean take particular sides in a discussion, no, they really shouldn't. discussions and disagreements happen all the time. < 1570302980 362615 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: “ops should not have +o except when actively using it” < 1570302994 236616 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that. eh. < 1570302999 697988 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is imode an op? Please say no < 1570303004 913231 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads to a... unmoderated atmosphere < 1570303010 272024 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t think so? < 1570303014 888012 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good < 1570303040 86081 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel strongly one way or the other. I guess it's more relaxed in some places but I've never had a problem knowing who the ops are. < 1570303042 22796 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An op's conduct is incompatible with what I think is appropriate for this channel" is not a pleasant discussion to have. < 1570303053 440139 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j4cbo: our channel operators are fizzie, oerjan and ais523. same as the wiki moderators. you can tell that from NICKSERV ACCESS #esoteric LIST. the hats don't matter. < 1570303070 779865 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to #esoteric, where the languages are weird and the hats don't matter. < 1570303104 311967 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think this is the sort of discussion that you can just walk away from, it doesn't need ops < 1570303166 513390 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I am inclined to disagree. It's pretty... Incompatible with me being welcome here at all. < 1570303170 708830 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pikhq trying to get me banned or something for disagreeing with them. if so, that's amazing. > 1570303179 985207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AnimaLibera 5* 10New user account < 1570303209 22523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that you can temporarily ignore the IRC if you do not like it and later you can discuss something else on this IRC. Since, we discuss other stuff on this IRC, too. < 1570303209 928224 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean, it's a discussion that will die down in a few hours if you ignore it, and it isn't interwoven with some other important discussion that you can't miss at the same time < 1570303214 529191 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: i think your comments have gone substantially beyond “disagreeing” < 1570303222 210319 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :j4cbo: such as. < 1570303238 807245 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the “mentally ill” remarks < 1570303242 812228 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1570303243 557053 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not related to this channel. < 1570303251 209806 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit < 1570303257 615402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you do want to ignore some discussion when reading the logs, if they are a discussion by different people, you could use grep, perhaps < 1570303259 546581 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even related to this server. < 1570303272 879427 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yeah, calling me "mentally ill" is straight-up insulting me for who I am. < 1570303284 940490 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: it did not read that way < 1570303290 771629 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry you parsed it that way. < 1570303305 14959 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have probably qualified. the discussion ended for me on "have fun on ignore." < 1570303319 403561 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, I do realize. so ignore the whole discussion. unlike on a high-traffic channel where you have to separate threads, you can easily skip over them. < 1570303343 355600 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: This is about as inappropriate as calling someone a "f****t" < 1570303350 398177 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe everybody needs to just step away from their computers and take a walk. < 1570303355 735365 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ping < 1570303368 856865 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :“stop discussing this in this channel” is also not your call to make < 1570303386 533389 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I'll accept. was an opinion and shouldn't have come across as an order. < 1570303395 359700 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: so maybe the only one who needs to step away is... you? < 1570303404 781360 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty comfortable where I am, actually. < 1570303407 374664 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should join every other trans person who's ever been in this channel and leave. (there have been several) < 1570303427 303806 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, all of you should step away. I wasn't specific about who. < 1570303483 55782 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhlvmgrmtzwmpdca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I’m out for now < 1570303491 467039 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and return a few hours later, but after a random amount of time so you don't return all at the same time (which is a proven working strategy on all our ethernet and wifi networks), by which time we'll forget about this < 1570303500 697718 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sorry again for starting this < 1570303509 427311 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not your fault. < 1570303970 559980 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will run off to scream into a pillow for a few hours
< 1570303982 857314 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat > 1570304285 978341 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66476&oldid=66459 5* 03AnimaLibera 5* (+229) 10 > 1570304403 746722 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:AnimaLibera14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=66477 5* 03AnimaLibera 5* (+33) 10Created page with " Comming soon (before October 30)" < 1570304442 537216 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:a5aa:a826:2910:c434 JOIN :#esoteric < 1570304705 755492 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ronald reagan < 1570304706 656614 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ronald Reagan was an actor so great that he managed to convince the US that he was the President. Then he created the Star Wars project to destroy the Soviet Union. < 1570304708 326310 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? star wars < 1570304709 269679 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Wars was a missile defence system invented by Ronald Reagan. With it, he managed to destroy the Soviet Union, then rode into the sunset. < 1570304710 917915 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? soviet union < 1570304711 783602 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ancient history, the Soviet Union used to be the THEM. They believed in absurd principles like "Better Red than Dead". Then Ronald Reagan invented Star Wars to destroy it, after which there seemed to be no the THEM for a while. < 1570304720 890273 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? daystar < 1570304721 796082 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Daystar is an unscientific myth of a bright orb glowing in the sky outside only at the times you're in your office. < 1570304722 643488 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nightstar < 1570304723 544739 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Nightstars are an unscientific myth of a sky covered in faint flickering lights. Only hermits and superstitious farmers believe this. < 1570304742 973930 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bofh < 1570304743 835955 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A BOFH is a bastard operator from hell. An example is the == operator in PHP. < 1570304792 591006 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, one of those was created by me < 1570304797 447487 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1570305098 142426 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' soup contest < 1570305098 591750 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :303) my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge. when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I become the chicken and I really want to make soup < 1570305665 573077 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't even realize initially -- imode misgendered her, too
< 1570305668 687827 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :yipe < 1570306418 870960 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1570306877 542396 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Quittin'. < 1570306948 18109 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1570307098 794196 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` sed -i '21,$d' share/8ballreplies # let's remove those two extra replies < 1570307100 403399 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :share/8ballreplies//It is certain. \ It is decidedly so. \ Without a doubt. \ Yes definitely. \ You may rely on it. \ As I see it, yes. \ Most likely. \ Outlook good. \ Yes. \ Signs point to yes. \ Reply hazy try again. \ Ask again later. \ Better not tell you now. \ Cannot predict now. \ Concentrate and ask again. \ Don't count on it. \ My reply is no. \ My sources say no. \ Outlook not so good. \ Very doubtful. < 1570307124 611721 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball < 1570307125 59269 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't count on it. < 1570307215 886251 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball > wisdom/8ball < 1570307216 329093 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most likely. < 1570307304 536078 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1570307626 288904 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary lambda calculus each time reminisces me about Real Fast Nora’s Hair Salon Shear Disaster Download, as they are almost isomorphic but the second one is way more human-readable < 1570307877 72931 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1570308156 11735 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1570308274 409861 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' baptized < 1570308274 862156 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :441) Having only been Catholic in the sense of being baptized that way, I still really like all their silly arcana Judaism has them beat, of course I almost converted just so I could look at my roommate's books < 1570308493 136313 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Aragorn < 1570308494 299344 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aragorn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1570308842 553056 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pants < 1570308847 313529 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pants? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1570308865 539943 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :mood < 1570309504 37664 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1570310030 399080 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wearing pants < 1570310035 283973 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably do something about that < 1570310099 167332 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads scrollback
< 1570310099 926054 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh. < 1570310105 170327 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why people are so hung up on chromosomes < 1570310112 311498 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are a starting block, a set of blueprints < 1570310126 1419 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which meaning of pants? < 1570310127 536890 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much of human phenotype is determined by other things < 1570310134 299801 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the american one < 1570310139 360492 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wear pants for work all the time < 1570310152 776761 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :pantsu. < 1570310172 172353 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_US("pants") = en_UK("trousers") < 1570310178 521140 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_US("underwear") = en_UK("pants") < 1570310178 557398 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes long jeans, sometimes short jeans < 1570310186 223051 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of many fun things I've learned from watching British TV < 1570310195 33108 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I specifically asked them about dress code < 1570310215 526600 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they basically said that since I'm a software guy, I can wear whatever I want < 1570310216 912953 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best one is probably that "fanny" is a very mild term for butt in the US whereas in the UK it means vulva < 1570310227 804636 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I bet they are amused by "fanny packs" < 1570310238 397705 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware guys sometimes need protective equipment when installing stuff on site < 1570310251 587659 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i heard a story that Google in its earlier years once had "pajama day" at work, and the posters said "wear what you wear to bed!" < 1570310255 856677 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a lot of people showed up naked. < 1570310257 442376 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think it's because some people get caught up on this idea that everything has to be easy, clear-cut, and simple to classify‚ and rather than change this notion when confronted with claims to the contrary they just rage when someone observes something that conflicts with the model. < 1570310263 500229 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that, no pajama day < 1570310265 322548 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yep < 1570310274 544211 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that sounds like a hoax < 1570310279 824938 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and gender *seems* very simple if you don't personally have to deal with any of the corner cases < 1570310300 682142 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly didn't appreciate how complicated it is until about 5 years ago < 1570310312 241744 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: maybe. I heard it from a friend who works with a HR person who used to be HR at Google < 1570310320 891109 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably exaggerated at least < 1570310339 708198 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing Google, I practically guarantee at least _one_ person actually did that. < 1570310345 459257 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1570310349 802835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our team had an (optional) "formal Friday" a handful of times. < 1570310351 255725 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably wasn't widespread though. < 1570310364 456457 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I advise you read scrollback < 1570310371 520051 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, I mean they wouldn't make the mistake of advertising it as "wear what you wear to bed" without disclaimers < 1570310392 18254 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted < 1570310431 8455 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is, what were the consequences of showing up naked, apart from a probable escort from the campus. < 1570310440 973476 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: they got free Google swag to wear for the day. < 1570310447 110414 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of working somewhere with a dress code is much less horrifying now that I can wear girl clothes < 1570310452 565808 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl clothes are so much more interesting < 1570310453 891904 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's incentivizing nudity. < 1570310540 23230 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1570310575 537554 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yjdyspozzjhhhzax JOIN :#esoteric < 1570310586 410877 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly from the stories I've heard about people's first few months (and last) at positions in Google, I wouldn't be surprised that someone took that a little far. < 1570310630 117164 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :had a friend of a friend who worked at FB. they got into a probation program the first week for not showing up, and then coasted the next 5 months until they were fired, but secured an offer one month prior to firing. < 1570310633 908658 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and did the same damn thing. < 1570310781 790292 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point during university, I attended some lectures in SZTAKI. its building has the dress code of long pants required. < 1570310813 761443 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it dog friendly, and does the dress code apply to animals. < 1570310826 73626 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I've never seen dogs in there < 1570310901 889797 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also at my previous job we had some special events where the interns, after a quarter year long internship, give a short presentation about what they did at the company. that event required formal clothes. they forgot to tell me before the first time they held that event. I never went to the rest of them after that. < 1570310927 441956 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :formal dress is stupid. < 1570310952 193438 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1570310968 287270 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think formal dress is stupid, but requiring it for that event is stupid < 1570311036 552762 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :requiring the commonly used formal dress for many events is stupid, I’d specify < 1570311065 306175 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there's only a certain set of events imo that it's appropriate for. < 1570311075 347948 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then that's probably just cultural conditioning. < 1570311076 875105 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as your own wedding < 1570311088 510508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a wedding where you're an offical < 1570311110 260842 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me to mandate crocs at my wedding. < 1570311146 7691 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had that at school rrr (not university, *that* would be the worst and I’d not go there at all, then) < 1570311158 758597 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wedding I’m not sure < 1570311200 308340 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: crocs mandated at school? < 1570311230 343289 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is "rrr" some kind of event, like a prom? < 1570311254 791612 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so atm I don’t have any suits, formal pants and white shirts etc., though the tie remains in the closed < 1570311259 703435 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: er no < 1570311267 63145 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean there was a uniform < 1570311292 931876 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider that much worse < 1570311300 268874 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a uniform, as opposed to just ordinary formal clothes < 1570311309 845990 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can choose the formal clothes to whatever you like < 1570311320 438208 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for a uniform, you have much fewer choice < 1570311348 768357 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have formal clothes, but I haven't worn them since a friend's wedding in I think 2014 < 1570311399 158259 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the advantage of being a software guy with no people skills who thus never meets clients < 1570311449 906427 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, < 1570311456 652515 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: are you getting married? < 1570311457 250566 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I haven't worn it since my brother's wedding in 2013 < 1570311462 2494 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other wedding was in 2012 < 1570311466 215555 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: next year, yeah. < 1570311496 286145 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo! < 1570311499 428963 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations < 1570311499 634796 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1570311505 832120 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got married once, 10/10 highly recommend < 1570311515 4846 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're talking about an actual wedding, not just hypothetically < 1570311522 728328 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :gracias! < 1570311524 620840 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :will the wedding be outside? because crocs could be inconvenient < 1570311553 177419 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao, I'm waiting on the results from a job interview before we bother planning. it's been 10 years, so we figured we'd tie the knot. < 1570311666 449102 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably be a small thing along the coast. our families suck, sans our immediate family. < 1570311678 630662 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :will people dance in crocs? < 1570311686 182967 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I have my way, yes. < 1570311712 735681 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 10/10 highly recommend => lol < 1570311747 379096 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we didn't do a full blown wedding, though < 1570311756 506420 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :private ceremony? < 1570311758 471486 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :got married under the dome at sf city hall < 1570311761 430088 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one witness < 1570311769 630084 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was kind of a spur of the moment thing < 1570311770 87514 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the way to go. my sister did that. < 1570311814 167374 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t understand weddings with a crowd of people too < 1570311846 934392 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were already promised to each other for life but didn't feel the need to make it official until 2015 when some personal shit went down < 1570311879 203817 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most immediate reason was that she wanted to be legally allowed to make decisions for me if I ended up in the hospital again < 1570311903 311046 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so getting officially married was a practical thing, but has turned out to be more emotionally significant than either of us expected < 1570311916 623518 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had already been living together for 4 years < 1570311966 895101 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weddings with big parties are fun, at least if you're not the one organizing and paying for it < 1570311974 875063 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was maid of honor at my best friend's destination wedding in mexico < 1570311976 554768 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a blast < 1570312011 21917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read some of the scrollback. TBH, the "mentally ill" part is really hard to accept as unrelated to the preceding conversation, given the timing and context. I think it's also a comment we wouldn't mind classifying as unacceptable, so please don't do that sort of thing. < 1570312014 669785 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds awesome. and yeah, a lot of people get married for that reason and that reason only. that's a large motivation for us as well: we'll probably have an "official ceremony" and then have the actual wedding after it, mainly for insurance purposes. < 1570312108 373669 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you parse it that way, sure, I won't say that. bear in mind it was about something on QuakeNet. < 1570312147 523227 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: is the crocs thing because you or your partner have a family member who you really want to keep away from the wedding, but you don't dare to just refuse to invite them, so you make a rule that they'll never comply with, and rather not attend the wedding than wear crocs for it? < 1570312162 522562 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it to just keep most people away in general, to make the wedding smaller, without any specific target? < 1570312174 739732 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :more of a parody of what one considers formal attire. < 1570312176 336362 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: After saying "them" to refer to me after my pronouns were made very clear, I think it is pretty unambiguous what imode's intent was. Particularly in context. < 1570312215 833619 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1570312394 27695 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest xkcd uses "AM". that's weird < 1570312421 121006 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially considering launches are 24h. < 1570312459 212835 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :after https://www.xkcd.com/1179/ that is < 1570312991 801470 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BTW in any case anybody wouldn’t like what personal pronoun I’d use please tell me explicitly, by PM or not, as I would likely been just forgotten or hadn’t watched with attention; so there be no feelings hurt) < 1570313029 835032 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Innocent mistakes are perfectly fine, FWIW < 1570313032 715154 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-122-23.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1570313040 825643 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses she/her
< 1570313575 829973 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is she/her as well
< 1570313623 569344 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: yeah, my friends did the official, legal wedding in SF with a small group of friends and then the bigger wedding in mexico for extended friends and family, the following year < 1570313639 357354 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one I think maybe it's tricky to get a US marriage certificate if you're married in a foreign country < 1570313686 376646 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some channels have a bot that lets you set/query pronouns, which is kind of nice < 1570313691 10640 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... < 1570313700 814197 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it tricky to get a marriage certificate? < 1570313709 745077 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause the wedding happened in a foreign country? < 1570313712 243379 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure though < 1570313714 680 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just speculating < 1570313751 2768 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in california anybody can officiate a wedding after filling out a form. so the first wedding in SF was done by our friend, wearing a pope costume he got off of Amazon < 1570313782 814325 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afterwards we grilled steaks and drank to the wee hours < 1570313800 791994 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds blissful. < 1570313804 251841 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Colorado the parties to a marriage are the only required signatures. < 1570313804 726334 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great < 1570313840 824470 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wife and I are thinking about doing a wedding-style celebration maybe next year, for our 5th anniversary < 1570313850 713614 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it happens to be right around my grandma's 100th birthday so we don't want to upstage her < 1570313856 825749 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1570313862 622740 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it a combo! :P < 1570313889 238000 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in california the marriage form doesn't ask for gender (now that same-sex marriage is legal) but there is a box for each partner (only two partners allowed, sadly) to optionally check "husband" or "wife" < 1570313898 419095 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know those checkboxes have no official meaning < 1570313914 430681 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one partner can check? < 1570313918 469083 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're just on there to satisfy traditionalists < 1570313922 200410 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, each partner can check either < 1570313924 809331 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to doublecheck, but I think CO just completely removed them from the form < 1570313926 812751 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, better < 1570313964 357953 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of me thinks poly marriage should be legal but the other part of me thinks the government should get out of the marriage game entirely < 1570313981 815998 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the rights of marriage can also be established through contract law < 1570314008 658014 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the privilege of not having to testify against your spouse can't, but it's also pretty weak from what I understand < 1570314017 64076 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1570314019 288422 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but the other part of me thinks the government should get out of the marriage game entirely => me exactly < 1570314022 416129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should think having "husband" and "wife" on the form would be unnecessary, although maybe it would be helpful if you have a formal ceremony, I don't know < 1570314040 42127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that poly marriage should be legal if everyone involved is in agreement with it. < 1570314050 843881 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example what if I trust a close friend but have no soulmate and suddenly fall ill < 1570314076 391255 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, this should be signed as easily < 1570314083 291139 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think you'd also need forms for adding or removing partners from a poly marriage < 1570314103 823476 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually a marriage may outlive all of the founders! < 1570314120 359567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, if it is something which you will want to be recognized by government, then it will be needed. < 1570314127 256733 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be a separate procedure, applicable likely to any trusted people: relatives, friends, neighboors < 1570314140 445216 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :poly divorce law sounds like a quite complicated area that will probably exist one day < 1570314144 132443 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: you can do that < 1570314149 292661 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :power of attorney or something < 1570314177 577542 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :attorneys have superpowers? < 1570314181 422793 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah it seems less easy as wedding :D so it should be refactored out < 1570314185 806852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is mainly the reason I was thinking it is too difficult to implement legal poly marriage right away, due to the difficulty with the existing laws. But, it should be corrected, if possible. < 1570314313 183962 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life_ < 1570314338 847112 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone who was preparing to sue for recognition of poly civil partnership under the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal < 1570314350 621761 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she had lawyers ready to do it pro bono and everything < 1570314359 154575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The form might need a section to mark if you automatically consent in future too, in case you have one or more other spouses already and you do not want to deal with it when further spouses are added, everyone else who doesn't automatically consent in future (at least one is required, but by default it is everyone who must agree to it) to add a further spouse. < 1570314359 846926 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then she broke up with her partners :/ < 1570314384 768249 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think most of the regulars here knew her at one point :P < 1570314391 329736 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah. < 1570314432 501171 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would think all partners should explicitly consent when somebody is added < 1570314458 475487 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's based on my personal conception of poly marriage and not necessarily something that should be legally enshrined < 1570314465 947055 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Legal bonds with non-consenting individuals is a bit fucky < 1570314470 319685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like what this needs is a blockchain and smart contracts hth < 1570314477 394776 :pikhq!uid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-putygvflmnyxxsta PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1570314501 94604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I think so too, but sometimes someone might not want to deal with it if they are unable to. So, not dealing with it should only be if you agree ahead of time that someone else can agree for you ahead of time, or if you are dead. < 1570314504 159862 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think marriage as a graph should be transitively closed < 1570314513 472276 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and cloud technology too < 1570314523 873881 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm are there schemes for a shared secret that allow expanding the set of participants? < 1570314537 312577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But normally, yes, all current partners (and also the new one) should explicitly consent when somebody is added. < 1570314541 283756 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words a corporation where each member has the same rights < 1570314580 458300 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: good question < 1570314584 875095 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps ##crypto knows < 1570314594 461802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use secret sharing crypotography, and the number of members needed to decrypt does not change, then it is easy to add additional members, I think. < 1570314616 286734 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably < 1570314621 842250 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would pick additional points on the same polynomial < 1570314645 116855 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that works < 1570314648 343117 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think marriage as a graph should be transitively closed => and symmetrically too? It would get weird if not, or that state wouldn’t be achievable starting with trans. sym. closed marriages? < 1570314660 510266 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would compute the information without revealing the secret? < 1570314666 199789 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik a k-of-n shamir share is n points from a (k+1)-dimensional polynomial, over an appropriate field < 1570314668 976088 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :without learning the secret that is < 1570314683 521366 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: any quorum could do it < 1570314704 744300 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a quorum then you can solve for the polynomial < 1570314710 960823 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you pick which points to share. < 1570314724 298333 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :random, I guess. < 1570314733 516211 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(damn, f.lux has gone red and I don’t see text cursor again. A bug in calculating opposite color, I think) < 1570314861 858862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One kind of secret sharing could be you have a secret point, and each member has an equation for a line that passes through that point. The secret point can be found by any two members. Also it means any two members can add a third by making up a new equation of a line passing through that point. If you are careful then it should be unlikely to match someone else's line. < 1570314861 937806 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1570314965 824707 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, maybe that’s how Shamir scheme was invented? First, hyperplanes, and then a bit or generalization and bam < 1570314994 489948 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/or/of < 1570315092 121889 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperplanes grassmannians plücker coordinates < 1570315150 245883 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1570315299 117264 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: don't you mean a degree k-1 polynomial, on a field with at least n elements? < 1570315306 286319 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1570315314 31080 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1570315316 165588 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the field should have lots of elements? < 1570315323 768990 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Madore's crowning achievement on the IOCCC is relevant of course < 1570315346 883448 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.206.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1570315367 806435 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for starters, the secret itself is a field element < 1570315444 495653 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no, you can split the secret to multiple chunks, each a field element < 1570315466 18495 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1570315479 912523 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, David Madore's program uses a 256 element field, and the comments claim that that works for up to 255 parties < 1570315486 356594 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ok < 1570315487 441625 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1570315556 826464 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/24983/choosing-finite-field-size-in-shamirs-secret-sharing-scheme < 1570315586 919733 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunnoooo < 1570315610 10684 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1570315687 666142 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd trust that that scheme works, both because it comes from David Madore with docs, and because it's won an IOCCC < 1570315823 716865 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -esub h($){($_=$_[0]=pack b208,0 .unpack b362,$_[0])=~tr/\0-\c?/\0/;tr/\0/\377/c;$_}do{$y=$r;$v=join$r='',a..z;$r^=h$r&"\217"x26^h$v&$y for 0..6;$r^=$_ x26}for"k6sNP2B}({ambrusLB%Ox)Z]n0*zf\0I3"=~/./g;print$r < 1570315824 717880 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just another Perl hacker, < 1570315882 494603 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an old one from https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=863110 that evaluates a polynomial over GF(128), before that IOCCC entry has won, but a decade after David wrote that program < 1570315890 637652 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=863110 < 1570315962 413431 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly GF(128) makes it a bit simpler than GF(256) would be < 1570315967 889276 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can only encode ASCII characters < 1570316087 381198 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaaaaaaaat. < 1570316100 983152 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I crazy, or does "cp/m" as an address resolve to "cp.com/m" < 1570316119 910500 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1570316159 882274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it doesn't < 1570316160 456518 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: browsers have an option to automatically add ".com" if the domain name doesn't exist otherwise < 1570316180 360346 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only when you type into the address bar, not in a link < 1570316199 911393 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only for two characters. o_O < 1570316206 817406 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo/bar" doesn't work. < 1570316216 969354 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "fo/bar" does. < 1570316239 458385 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can also automatically prepend www. and prepend http:// < 1570316241 208617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I prefer is something typed into the address bar is just treated as a relative URL to the current URL, unless it has a colon at first in which case it is a search command < 1570316267 514989 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I understand. what I don't understand is why it only apparently works with two letters. < 1570316284 327582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some browsers will automatically prepend the scheme based on what the domain name is. (Still, I think it ought not to automatically prepend any scheme.) < 1570316307 354264 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind, it somehow works with _multiple_ character strings. < 1570316313 241037 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc/def works, for example. < 1570316321 456406 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is bizzare! < 1570316367 750417 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't do "google/" though < 1570317505 915801 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it weird that "rose" is used as a color name, when roses are popular flowers that come in all colors you can imagine, sort of like diamonds? < 1570317520 299998 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tulips < 1570317551 536748 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-235.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "orange" as a color name makes sense < 1570318600 667278 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:a5aa:a826:2910:c434 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1570318632 978558 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:a5aa:a826:2910:c434 JOIN :#esoteric < 1570318897 969668 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:a5aa:a826:2910:c434 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds