< 1561593988 167708 :^[!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep QUIT :*.net *.split < 1561593988 650554 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ QUIT :*.net *.split < 1561594012 152122 :^[!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep JOIN :#esoteric < 1561594286 707566 :rdococ!rdococ@cheapiesystems.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1561594430 350996 :rdococ!rdococ@cheapiesystems.com QUIT :Changing host < 1561594430 351041 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ JOIN :#esoteric < 1561595884 1434 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:2443:b19f:cbc6:57bc:e7b8 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1561596161 64200 :^!uplime@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers NICK :uplime < 1561596900 969698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the place I've been using for (free) secondary DNS apparently discontinued the free account tier and made it a paid service, back mid-2017. < 1561596927 301493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they didn't deactivate existing domains, and I haven't had the occasion to make any changes, so I completely didn't notice. < 1561596933 817155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it's time to look for alternatives. < 1561597709 468103 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561597793 218684 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1561597868 335859 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1561598698 96419 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so /\^ are destructive operators rather than a way to traverse the tree: 2((2 0 0) (2 0 0))\^ := (2 0 0)^ := _ , you don't end up back where you started by going up. I was wondering if something like 0^^^^^.0 (go up 5 hole-levels from a root node and plug a disconnected hole) would be a problem, but it's actually straighfwd: 0^^^^^.0 := _.0 < 1561598698 729850 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::= 0 < 1561598937 891479 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse the syntax, s/2(/(2/ ... I'm very new to this language < 1561602843 844567 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1561602994 947925 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:1862:5735:937b:e962 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561603090 847875 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.156.180 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1561603147 68404 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:6002:1063:ff0a:3850 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1561603857 974625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1561604624 830036 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1561604784 809074 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1561605027 742566 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:1862:5735:937b:e962 QUIT : < 1561605268 849369 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1561606040 906774 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1561606118 155552 :kolontaev!~kolontaev@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1561606147 253653 :atslash!~atslash@46.188.0.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561606401 178958 :atslash!~atslash@46.188.0.82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds > 1561609086 579395 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63730&oldid=63718 5* 03A 5* (+859) 10/* Explanation */ > 1561609234 175598 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Swapping Turing Machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63731&oldid=63322 5* 03A 5* (+250) 10TM to STM > 1561610909 428172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63732&oldid=63721 5* 03A 5* (+22) 10Are you trying to crash the user's computer? It is a crime to write a program like this. (Just kidding, I am trying to say that you mismatched a brace.) > 1561610949 180792 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63733&oldid=63732 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10* Trying to check if you mismatched a brace > 1561611048 173552 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63734&oldid=63733 5* 03A 5* (-10) 10/* Hello World Program */ If you included "using namespace std;", you can drop std:: to make the program shorter. (With other encancements) < 1561611673 168727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1561611729 730258 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63735&oldid=63734 5* 03A 5* (+268) 10/* Hello World Program */ Cleaner program > 1561613310 386512 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63736&oldid=63735 5* 03A 5* (-93) 10/* Hello World Program */ > 1561613470 544326 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63737&oldid=63736 5* 03A 5* (+262) 10/* Hello World Program */ > 1561613558 114162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63738&oldid=63737 5* 03A 5* (+8) 10/* Hello World Program */ Update URL > 1561613680 518424 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63739&oldid=63730 5* 03A 5* (+290) 10/* (Unfortunately) bounded memory support */ > 1561613937 953449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63740&oldid=63738 5* 03A 5* (-58) 10/* Hello World Program */ Update my program to a one-liner to show contrast > 1561614247 161657 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63741&oldid=63740 5* 03A 5* (-5) 10/* Hello World Program */ < 1561615057 775658 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1561615355 811923 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1561616309 527066 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:2443:98f0:eb8c:c01:bda5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561619724 392170 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1561620022 455848 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cyclic Amplification System14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=63742 5* 03A 5* (+267) 10Created page with "[[Cyclic Amplification System]] is a language that multiplies an integer and adds the carry back to the number. == An example == Base 10, program 444, rule ..." > 1561620437 250374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cyclic Amplification System14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63743&oldid=63742 5* 03A 5* (+618) 10/* An example */ > 1561620611 890195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cyclic Amplification System14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63744&oldid=63743 5* 03A 5* (+29) 10/* Another example for a computation that does executions twice */ > 1561621348 884499 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cyclic Amplification System14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63745&oldid=63744 5* 03A 5* (+1290) 10 > 1561621670 110916 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cyclic Amplification System14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63746&oldid=63745 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Another example for a computation that does many executions finitely */ > 1561621723 387401 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cyclic Amplification System14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63747&oldid=63746 5* 03A 5* (-38) 10/* Computational class */ > 1561622045 723639 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Union14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63748&oldid=63284 5* 03A 5* (+86) 10 > 1561622320 857356 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Timeline of esoteric programming languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63749&oldid=24301 5* 03A 5* (+364) 10 > 1561622384 52276 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Timeline of esoteric programming languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63750&oldid=63749 5* 03A 5* (+44) 10/* Is "Union" notable? */ > 1561622631 546836 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Timeline of esoteric programming languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63751&oldid=61780 5* 03A 5* (+203) 10/* 2014 */ > 1561622748 64662 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Timeline of esoteric programming languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63752&oldid=63751 5* 03A 5* (+7) 10/* 2019 */ < 1561624144 129883 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric > 1561624250 884059 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Swapping Turing Machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63753&oldid=63731 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (-250) 10Undo revision 63731 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]) the talk page doesn't have anything about a tm -> stm conversion > 1561626395 229358 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63754&oldid=62192 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+92) 10/* Hardware implementations */ < 1561626977 565044 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561629376 698901 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: it occurred to me when I was going to sleep earlier, that behavior of \ and / shouldn’t suggest that 0 is 2 _ _: as a tree′ they operate on represents the zipper wholly, when it’s focused on a leaf (0), the tree′ looks like this: 2 u′ 0, and if 0 would be equivalent to 2 _ _, then the result of \ would give us 2 (u′ ∘ 2 _ _) _, not simply one _ < 1561629403 809842 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems I picked _ for these unapplicability cases more or less wise, after all < 1561629491 233376 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, what could I change in the description to make things clearer? Hm I’ll better write out how I treat zippers in a more explicit manner, at least > 1561629788 882244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Punctree14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63755&oldid=63729 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+100) 10/* Values */ clarifying a bit < 1561629802 713628 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it seems there still was a typo :D < 1561634813 268961 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jtdrmvwwxoptzozd JOIN :#esoteric > 1561636059 643310 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03SMA 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Sqrt2b.png10]]" > 1561636227 365424 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03SMA 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Sqrt2.png10]]" > 1561636996 703634 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BiTrax14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63758&oldid=42757 5* 03SMA 5* (+127) 10Square root example. Removed dead link. > 1561638172 150582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63759&oldid=63703 5* 03A 5* (+272) 10/* Write some nonsense here */ > 1561638275 177801 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63760&oldid=63759 5* 03A 5* (+73) 10/* Write some nonsense here */ > 1561638410 390512 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63761&oldid=63760 5* 03A 5* (+17) 10/* Write some nonsense here */ > 1561639382 487475 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63762&oldid=63761 5* 03A 5* (-40) 10/* Write some nonsense here */ < 1561640952 239175 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1561641049 279461 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561641124 896995 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561641214 571808 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1561642881 913244 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jtdrmvwwxoptzozd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1561643686 392889 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1561643932 787650 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdc6imrwoapg3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1561644186 780427 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdc6imrwoapg3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1561645403 146554 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63763&oldid=63531 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+442) 10 > 1561645559 415551 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63764&oldid=63763 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (-442) 10/* C++ */ > 1561645688 134086 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63765&oldid=63764 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+442) 10 > 1561645751 295496 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63766&oldid=63765 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+11) 10/* C++ */ < 1561648087 595324 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1561648472 600074 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1561648542 822142 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1561648605 421164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63767&oldid=63739 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+396) 10 < 1561648795 274877 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1561649204 849774 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1561649525 142373 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63768&oldid=63741 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+41) 10 < 1561650000 850945 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1561650997 814455 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.156.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561651582 507334 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plehhfxeudcqaxlw JOIN :#esoteric < 1561651929 239874 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8e1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1561654535 589031 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1561662358 850802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1561664150 611948 :lldd_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1561664499 900138 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing pythonic interpreter for Punctree, though I have been out for a time, and before that I had realized I need to represent trees′ as it’s done in a zipper, or zipper operations would be ineffective, and maybe some other ones too < 1561664504 713821 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 NICK :arseniiv < 1561664714 903079 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 622 seconds < 1561665321 351811 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1561665801 890859 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: ah yes. that might turn out to be tricky < 1561665843 896751 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: as for that language, besides an interpreter and some example programs, it may help if you wrote something about why this language is interesting to the wiki < 1561665873 366963 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what emergent properties it has, what rules follow from its definition, what things are impossible to do in it, what are hard, etc < 1561665902 602597 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that you don't know yet, that's normal when you invent an esolang, just saying that if you wrote such things, it may motivate other people to get interested about the language more than if you just give a definition < 1561665917 751326 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: good suggestions! < 1561665934 199399 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and reasonable too < 1561665988 148226 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these are part of the things why I haven't posted anything specific about Consumer Society yet: it will be much more interesting if I write about it, which has to include interpreters and example programs and a reusable small library of functions < 1561666005 321802 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which in this case will be a library for 32-bit integer arithmetic) < 1561666023 57838 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you post about something, people will often read it when it's new, but are less likely to check back later as you edit it < 1561666035 573546 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's useful to make it look good right as you post < 1561666285 701154 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: maybe < 1561666341 898653 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think though, those more transient here are followed more attentively < 1561666435 634288 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people whose contribution is known and is more or less of some quality < 1561666489 989554 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though e. g. I don’t track esobot’s announcements < 1561666510 668026 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I’m likely to skip much < 1561666617 520567 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: sure, and you have the advantage that this isn't one of those... bad quality posts that I don't even dare to call esolangs that you've surely found when you clicked on the "Random page" button on the esowiki < 1561666627 160753 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already start from an advantage < 1561666651 641495 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not trying to challenge your language or saying it's bad, just trying to steer you a bit to how you could improve the article < 1561666665 135917 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least how I think you could improve it, but I'm not really the best authority in this < 1561666703 701597 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: contrary, I meant to encourage you to post something :) < 1561666762 424114 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think when the interpreter will be done, it would be much easier to write something new there < 1561666790 718164 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know < 1561666851 427435 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t think posting a more or less complete description and only then, additions, is that attention-unwise, I mean about your CS < 1561666882 140949 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plehhfxeudcqaxlw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1561666887 890139 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now I don’t even know what it’s about yet (though I bet it’s all there in the logs) < 1561666898 973357 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1561667239 733404 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: well, what I said is only part of why I didn't post yet, < 1561667247 237265 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest of it are probably the bad reasons < 1561667268 213994 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's partly that I'm a bit jealous and don't want to give the idea away before I get a bit further and shape it to exactly the form I want < 1561667315 448036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not everything is in the logs. some things are, but I was careful not to give too many spoilers, because the core idea is so simple that I'm still a little afraid that the same thing is already invented and out there somewhere < 1561667400 626580 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's a certain twist that is not really necessary for the language or even part of its core, but if I posted the language without it I'd sort of feel like it was cheating to add it later < 1561667405 985025 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give away some of that twist: < 1561667447 901841 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while ago I posted in https://esolangs.org/wiki/List_of_ideas saying: < 1561667455 110087 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> The classic textbook Aho, Ullman, The Theory of Parsing, Translation, and Compiling, (1972), explains in chapter 2.46 that there exist such context-free languages that have no unambiguous context-free grammars, and that such languages are called inherently ambiguous. After that, it states that “no inherently ambiguous programming languages have been devised yet”. < 1561667457 417737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:25: error: parse error on input ‘,’ < 1561667461 812248 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : > This sounds like a challenge to find a programming language that is like that, or, failing that, create one. < 1561667518 710349 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I figured out that an easy way to make such a language is to take brainfuck, but allow an alternate syntax where <> are loops and [] move the head, but the whole program has to use one syntax or the other, < 1561667534 680307 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happens to result in an inherently ambiguous context-free grammar. < 1561667545 678166 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I REALLY don't want that language to exist, simple on account that it's a brainfuck-alike. < 1561667577 344973 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this could be done for a language other than brainfuck too, as long as its syntax is such that there's parenthesis that have to be nested properly, such as Underload. < 1561667593 245946 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( We need a fancy Greek translation of "brainfuck" so that we can append -phobia and have some fun. ) < 1561667636 154376 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even then, just allowing two different syntaxes where some punctuation marks are swapped is not very classy, it would remind me to those supposed esolangs that take their claim of esotericness only because the syntax is a bit weird, you know, like using - for addition and + for subtraction,. < 1561667664 136487 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that sort of thing is nice the first few times, such as for Intercal and Whitespace, but gets old quickly, so I don't want to do that either. < 1561667714 53203 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it turns out that there's a way how I can make this a bit more interesting rather than just swapping the punctuation characters, resulting in a similar extension of Consumer Society that has an inherently ambiguous context-free grammar. < 1561667772 30129 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for that, if you use the alternate bracket characters, not only the syntax changes, but the semantics of the language also changes in some interesting way. I can't really tell how exactly, because you'd need to know what Consumer Society is first. < 1561667801 303551 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I pulled this trick later, it would feel worse than if it were there already as I post Consumer Society the first time. < 1561667820 577642 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still use the simpler version of the language that doesn't have the alternate form, or the language that only has the alternate form if you want. < 1561667837 795053 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact the alternate form happens to be the language I came up with first, Consumer Society is second, but so what. < 1561667844 92189 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this make sense? < 1561667902 394664 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hmm, brain is "enkefalos" in greek < 1561667913 811694 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, as in electro-encephalograph < 1561668009 416450 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and it's not so much a fear as a hate or despisal < 1561668324 125140 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but that's less fun < 1561668550 321428 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also hate BytePusher, which is a bit more irrational. < 1561668617 380209 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to rationalize that by saying that I hate it because it doesn't have built-in arithmetic, even though every cpu should have (at least as much as 6502 has, without the undocumented rotate right instruction), < 1561668679 719866 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after making Consumer Society, which doesn't have built-in arithmetic, I can hardly keep saying that. my Consumer Society interpreter will have an optimized built-in version of the arithmetic library, which is optional to the language in the sense that I'll also write a version in pure portable Consumer Society, < 1561668697 926551 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then a BytePusher implementation could have a similar optimization too, so that's not a good excuse. < 1561669426 637530 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1561669479 498946 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1561672561 579258 :lldd_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1561672925 735359 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ubersketch 5* 10New user account > 1561673170 962968 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63769&oldid=63611 5* 03Ubersketch 5* (+366) 10/* Introductions */ < 1561673320 267570 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? recipe < 1561673321 900958 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random food recipes at https://gist.github.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc < 1561673478 339987 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8e1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1561674089 645471 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1561675672 834268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1561675675 220515 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:circle//A circle has no end. \ ladder jump//Ladder jump is the phenomenon that in practically all platformer games where the player character can climb up on ladders, it's faster to repeatedly jump and grab the ladder than to climb. \ wisdomme//wisdomme is a PDF that may be in the topic. boily is the one who compiles it. See `? wisdom.pdf \ xor//Xor is just addition of nimbers. \ butterfly//While some might think butterflies are descended fr < 1561675676 980891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1561675677 692664 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:om flies, that is a false entomology. < 1561675706 133688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits butterfly < 1561675708 128573 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän < 1561675712 210206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++ < 1561675756 528036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits ladder jump < 1561675758 208508 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonäs < 1561675759 774099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Why? < 1561676060 626390 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas went through a obscure, but factually accurate, phase as a wisdom entry maker < 1561676578 317137 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm yeah, that's not a very good wisdom, at least if you take the majority school where wisdom entries should be confusing jokes, unlike ais523 who says that's not necessary. it's probably not a very good wisdom anyway. < 1561676584 361935 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ladder < 1561676585 422035 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ladder is just a directed vertical bridge in the positive orientation. < 1561676601 798719 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one was suggested by me too, even if I wasn't the one to actually issue the learn command < 1561676621 400477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is a ladder directed? < 1561676629 2773 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because of the snakes and ladders game < 1561676634 885639 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ladders go up and snakes go down < 1561676641 853922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can also climb down ladders. < 1561676646 786257 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in that game < 1561676685 816123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a game of zero skill? < 1561676687 253139 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do stand by wisdom/circle though < 1561676693 477664 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the Keen games (4-6?) had poles that you could slide down < 1561676694 349044 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1561676696 266924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? circle < 1561676697 436873 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A circle has no end. < 1561676706 491903 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it was listed above < 1561676720 477124 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, like the stereotypical fire department poles < 1561676722 287208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I remembered that when I saw it. < 1561676736 603358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A circle has no end, but that hardly characterizes circles. The real line also has no end. < 1561676739 421582 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the xor one wasn't me, mine is wisdom/^ < 1561676742 904290 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course pole jumping is a phenomenon with those < 1561676748 99513 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ^ < 1561676749 125670 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^ (also notated by ⊕ or ⊻) is the exclusive-or operator; ∧ (also notated by /\ or &) is the and (conjunction) operator; ^ (also notated by ↑ or ** or ⋆) is the power operator. < 1561676757 601350 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh yeah, that might make for a better wisdom < 1561676758 165772 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1561676768 14944 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it at least has a pun < 1561676782 958846 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, close to < 1561676793 312132 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know that it's called "pole vaulting" in English, because English is weird < 1561676804 924312 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean we could call it "pole vaulting" instead? < 1561676809 6487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was young, I would play that game. < 1561676813 877419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with snakes and ladders, I mean. < 1561676820 319034 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, I don't think that would work < 1561676830 145891 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1561676838 480632 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's some angle with magnetic poles < 1561676839 153788 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you ever call it vaulting when you jump straight up in a platformer? < 1561676843 810074 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pole < 1561676844 833846 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pole? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1561676866 644498 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grEp pole < 1561676867 444968 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: grEp: not found < 1561676870 131231 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grWp pole < 1561676871 868823 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :amphiboily:Amphiboily is Franglish grammatical hambiguity, rewarded with a mapole. \ boily:“Sane Mapoleon” boily is monetizing a brotherhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine. He is also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Groan Man Eating Chicken, a METARologist, seriously lacking in the f-word department, a thwack doctor, a Quintopial antipodist, and a renowned Capitalist who helps keep the world kafkaesque. \ brontosaurus:A brontosaurus is an anci < 1561676876 87085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Snakes and Ladders, Is the expected number of moves to win monotonically decreasing with square number? < 1561676889 467096 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't we have a wisdom entry with one of the several stupid folk puns about poland and complex analysis? < 1561676891 455297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it isn't, there could be a small amount of strategy in going down some ladders, if that ws permitted. < 1561676907 368147 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I forgot the Capitalist bit. < 1561676955 826892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do a bunch of people on the Internet say that they're against capitalism in vague ways? < 1561676966 386242 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are two such puns, one about Cauchy's dog peeing at every pole or something, and one about the integral of eastern europe < 1561677089 388229 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, we do not in fact have those puns in wisdom. good. < 1561677142 940383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? standard < 1561677144 76732 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here on this channel we ascribe to a higher standard. See flagpole. < 1561677146 732294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flagpole < 1561677147 893327 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A flagpole is like a tadpole, but with a flag on top. < 1561677155 252134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tadpole < 1561677156 588737 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tadpole is like a flagpole, but underwater, and also a tad shorter. < 1561677174 164787 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1561677176 928854 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are pole puns < 1561677186 186558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1561677189 389863 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "standard" puns too < 1561677212 867166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1561677213 974089 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6’ by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg. < 1561677296 770879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is 6' in kg? < 1561677329 119653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well -- how much is 12 kg in '? < 1561677359 382327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently 12 kg is 2.92358877 × 10-26 feet. < 1561677366 254502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, 2.92358877 × 10^-26 < 1561677399 856440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2.92358877e-26 * 6 < 1561677401 373910 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 6' is approximately 0.17 kg < 1561677402 973159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.7541532620000002e-25 < 1561677416 214027 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1561677442 583441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're off by about 25 orders of magnitude. < 1561677448 462392 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :6('³) is approximately 0.17 kg < 1561677481 784279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you convert cubic feet to kg? That makes no sense. < 1561677489 255303 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, that's not right either < 1561677522 224534 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :6('³) is approximately 170 kg < 1561677538 637984 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's made of maple, which is a kind of wood, and for materials like that I just assume that the density is close to 1000 < 1561677563 259269 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like how you convert drinks or other liquids or food that you buy in the store when they're labelled randomly either by mass or by volume < 1561677588 984042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1561677601 193010 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Nothing wrong with multiplying a weight by a height. If you divide by a Times Square, you get a new ton. < 1561677606 337429 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the americans have this formalized by having a fluid ounce volume be close to an ounce weight for fizzie drinks, < 1561677620 728192 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have it formalized by having a liter volume be close to a kilogram weight for fizzie drinks < 1561677634 573023 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit less for wood or alcohol actually, but not by much < 1561677645 75867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Of course, but you can convert mass to height by multiplying by a constant. < 1561677687 828411 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true as well, of course. < 1561677712 440181 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ideally most of those food and drink you can buy should be labeled by mass rather than volume, but in practice it doesn't make much difference < 1561677718 630863 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the other uncertainties involved < 1561677719 133151 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Most railroad track used for main line trains in the United States weighs at least 130 pounds per yard, or 43.33 pounds per foot." < 1561677737 434055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mass of the sun is approximately 1.5km, for example. < 1561677742 198393 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also have to do such conversions if you try to take numbers in food recipes seriously < 1561677822 288615 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: metal is different, that has a density between 6000 and 9000, except that aluminum, titanium, berillium and mithril have a 1/2 times weight modifier, and that gold and other precious metals have a 2* modifier < 1561677850 76647 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh I don't know what shachaf did. < 1561677876 898908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I multiplied by G/c^2 < 1561677897 916448 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically silver, lead, and mercury is in between the normal metals and precious metals, but you rarely need to know the density of those) < 1561677944 730578 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are just heuristics that I use, but heuristics are better than nothing < 1561677969 64463 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is its Shwartzshield radius? < 1561677973 944125 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1561677979 319784 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spelled that name wrong < 1561677984 327172 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is its ... let me look it up < 1561677985 682075 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schwarzschild, I think. < 1561677992 305812 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(German. Easy ;-) ) < 1561677996 381826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sun? About 3km, twice the mass. < 1561678008 490007 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schwarzschild < 1561678009 601404 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1561678077 641267 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Intel needs to thread lightly. So... https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c5nb01/amd_competitive_profile_where_we_go_toetotoe_why/ was good for at least one terrible pun so far. ) < 1561678081 663949 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: schaschaf would know < 1561678096 788469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I know about German spellings? < 1561678105 764235 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not you, schaschaf < 1561678117 469342 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you the same person? < 1561678118 179016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any word ending in "chaf" is referring to me. < 1561678122 687833 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1561678134 415203 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I tried to ask but all I got was "bah!" < 1561678137 134945 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's like when I'm sometimes lob_jonas and sometimes wob_jonas? < 1561678142 211441 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few more < 1561678166 931166 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :waste of brain, loss of brain? < 1561678198 746533 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not flattering but that's genuinely my default interpretation of "wob", can't be helped.) < 1561678254 451480 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's "wob" in the sense that it's used in https://www.xkcd.com/148/ , because that's when I'm using a wob-based irc client < 1561678276 711906 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "lob" came when I tried to manipulate fizzie's log formatter to color my name green < 1561678324 622264 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if those are the default associations, then I should consider changing the prefix < 1561678325 178088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Good to know, but I don't see how that changes a thing; it doesn't give any alternative meaning to "wob". < 1561678351 50946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the mass of the sun is also approximate 5 microseconds. < 1561678354 25559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's more useful. < 1561678382 918662 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wombat... waste of money, brains, and talent) < 1561678414 135640 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: only for about 1/200 of a second. < 1561678444 142960 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? time cube < 1561678447 642404 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :EARTH HAS 4 CORNER SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY TIME CUBE IN ONLY 24 HOUR ROTATION. 4 CORNER DAYS, CUBES 4 QUAD EARTH. Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies. Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s. God Is Born Of A Mother - She Left Belly B. Signature. Your dirty lying teachers use only the midnight to midnight 1 day (ignoring 3 other days) Time to not foul (already wrong) bible time. Lie that corrupts earth you educated stupid fools. < 1561678475 239938 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how heavy is that cube and how long does its Schwarzschild radius take? < 1561678490 709678 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't think conveting units like that is in any way helpful. < 1561678499 674577 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you'll have to consult the full website for that. there's only so much I could put in the two condensed wisdom entries. < 1561678505 947479 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the other is "wisdom/gene ray") < 1561678507 908839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_mass says that it's "frequently useful" < 1561678530 399071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natural units are the best. < 1561678543 131963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "frequently" - we know of more than one example. ) < 1561678558 177265 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, in the sense that the gravitational solar mass is useful because in our most precise astronomical measurements, the main term is the sun pulling everything towards it < 1561678590 690397 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a natural mass unit if you want to measure the gravitational mass of other astronomical objects < 1561678641 137227 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we know the gravitational mass of the sun pretty precisely, but no the inertial mass, because we only have like four or five digits of G, the gravitational constant, with the best measurements, so kilogram is *not* a good unit for gravitational masses < 1561678652 471653 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this wasn't obvious to me until David Madore explained on his blog) < 1561678663 496838 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we do need some unit for gravitational mass < 1561678720 244879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn how gravity works. < 1561678754 941138 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as proof that people actually think that, that NASA website thing where you can query a shitton of astronomical ephemeron data, that one offers you to format masses in the unit of your choice between solar mass and kg < 1561678781 986435 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the above means that the numbers in solar mass are more accurate < 1561678848 695594 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually we know six digits. that's quite impressive. < 1561678867 324743 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1561678872 323310 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a relative or an absolute figure? < 1561678876 625929 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's relative < 1561678879 759909 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then five digits only < 1561678883 282027 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the confusion < 1561678951 433922 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you consider general relativity as part of that, then you're up for a very difficult task < 1561678964 406411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How difficult? < 1561679041 901838 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much that even physicists don't know some of the details, especially some things about very strong gravitational fields in black holes, whether time travel is possible by bending space-time using gravity and why not, and how general realtivity can be combined in any consistent way (let alone in the real world) with quantum mechanics < 1561679045 866845 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1561679047 207574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 272320Z AUTO VRB03KT 9999 FEW050 24/19 Q1022 < 1561679049 119267 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1561679054 365961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar koak < 1561679054 581003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 272253Z 28017KT 10SM FEW020 BKN180 BKN200 22/12 A3008 RMK AO2 SLP187 T02220117 < 1561679062 935102 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm not a physicists, so some of that could be wrong < 1561679094 8412 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just go by the impression I get from the popular descriptions by David Madore and John Baez < 1561679146 241180 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are a lot of things that phyisicists do know about general relativity, but it's complicated in a mathematical way < 1561679158 638743 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some sort of fancy tensor calculus stuff to understand it < 1561679161 942925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? general relativity < 1561679166 106232 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :general relativity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1561679168 600419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? special relativity < 1561679169 850539 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :special relativity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1561679205 312200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` doag | grep -i relativity < 1561679208 394760 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11672:2018-12-11 slwd tanebvention//s;, special relativity;; \ 9258:2016-10-13 slwd tanebvention//s#the triverse#special relativity# \ 598:2012-07-19 addquote elliott___: we have been calling a book new for 2000 years and it took einstein to figure out relativity < 1561679245 772653 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote relativity < 1561679246 491733 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :769) elliott___: we have been calling a book new for 2000 years and it took einstein to figure out relativity < 1561679257 684925 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1561679266 756116 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-3.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh