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01:31:26 <zzo38> I almost finished writing my NNTP server software; now I will just test a few things. Are you going to use this software too?
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04:02:48 <zzo38> Does any program for PC with CGA set the width to 64 columns in order to allow faster scrolling?
04:16:07 <zzo38> Can I make it in Linux so that a user has a permission to read and write a file but not to delete it?
04:18:36 <zzo38> (I want to prevent it from being deleted so that it is not recreated with incorrect permissions.)
04:22:18 <zzo38> It seem the sticky bit might help. But will SQLite work correctly if it fails to delete the WAL file?
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05:35:32 <zzo38> Now the NNTP is available.
05:35:41 <zzo38> Now you can see if it is good, perhaps.
05:36:37 <shachaf> Why is text rendering so complicated?
05:45:06 <zzo38> Because they make a mess with it, mostly. They make it complicated even when it should not need to be.
05:46:42 <shachaf> How would you make it not complicated?
05:47:29 <zzo38> Well, it depend what you are trying to do it with; omit the parts that are unnecessary for your use.
05:48:08 <zzo38> For typesetting I think what TeX does is suitable. For screen text, the X core text mechanism is usually sufficient.
05:48:19 <shachaf> I want to make a program with a GUI.
05:48:29 <shachaf> That means people might use all sorts of languages and things.
05:50:21 <zzo38> Yes, you should then consider right to left as well as left to right, and marks to add on top and that stuff, but other than that you should probably just to avoid the other complicated stuff, since you will not need them. Even in a GUI program, it depend on the program, what you need it to do.
05:50:49 <zzo38> One text rendering system will not work for everyone, and if you try it will just be complicated and messy and won't always work properly.
05:51:41 <shachaf> What if I want to support Arabic?
05:52:03 <zzo38> Then you should add the right to left mode
05:52:26 <shachaf> Right to left is the easy (?) part of supporting Arabic.
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06:21:40 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Zane * New user account
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06:30:31 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61320&oldid=60987 * Zane * (+222) /* Introductions */
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12:28:59 <b_jonas> "<zzo38> Can I make it in Linux so that a user has a permission to read and write a file but not to delete it?" => yes. put the file in a directory where the user does not have write permissions to the directory, but has execute permissions.
14:15:08 <HackEso> De is the counterpart to code, often called the header.
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15:13:50 <HackEso> Any regular who gives the slightest Rogue One spoiler shall be hunted down in real life and have their intestines removed through their eye sockets. Members would not be exempt if they existed, which they don't.
15:14:00 <b_jonas> hppavilion: is that still active?
15:24:29 <HackEso> rise of the skywalker? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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16:25:22 <HackEso> I'm sorry, #esoteric has regulars, not members. Who told you about members? There are definitely no members here, and you wouldn't be allowed to know about them, anyway.
16:26:55 <HackEso> ~&al?\~&ar ~&aa^&~&afahPRPfafatPJPRY+ ~&farlthlriNCSPDPDrlCS2DlrTS2J,^|J/~& ~&rt!=+ ^= ~&s+ ~&H(-+.|=&lrr;,|=&lrl;,|=≪+-, ~&rgg&& ~&irtPFXlrjrXPS; ~&lrK2tkZ2g&& ~&llrSL2rDrlPrrPljXSPTSL)+-,
16:28:31 <b_jonas> myname: Ursala is a language that is supposedly non-esoteric, in that one person, its creator, uses it for real stuff
16:29:06 <b_jonas> you know, sort of like blsq, which is also only used by its creator, but that does qualify as an esoteric language
16:29:12 <b_jonas> stupid traditions making these distinctions
17:09:36 <arseniiv> is it morally ok if I abused lambdabot’s @tell outside this channel?
17:10:29 <arseniiv> (if it works with someone not joined here; I didn’t check yet)
17:12:35 <HackEso> regular expression? ¯\(°_o)/¯
17:29:02 <fizzie> `` zcat /usr/share/man/man1/dc.1.gz | nroff -mandoc -rLL=999n -rLT=999n 2>/dev/null | sed -e 's/\./.\n/g;s/\x1b\[[^m]*m//g' | grep 'Assuming that'
17:29:03 <HackEso> Assuming that (UCHAR_MAX+1) is 256 (as it is on most machines with 8-bit bytes), the sequence KSK0k1/_1Ss [ls*]Sxd0>x [256~Ssd0<x]dsxxsx[q]Sq[Lsd0>qaPlxx] dsxxsx0sqLqsxLxLK+k could also accomplish this function.
17:29:11 <fizzie> (That Ursula snippet reminded me of that gem.)
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17:37:36 <esowiki> [[User talk:Helen]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61321&oldid=61313 * Helen * (-481)
17:39:28 <oerjan> <fizzie> ...reimplantation is probably something slightly different than what I meant. <-- i barely even noticed hth
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18:22:25 <HackEso> wisdom/pike//Pike is an interpreted language that got sort of forgotten among the four big mainstream p-languages (perl, python, ruby, php).
18:22:57 <oerjan> BRAAAAAAAINS also ichor
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18:25:28 <oerjan> <arseniiv> (if it works with someone not joined here; I didn’t check yet) <-- they will only be told if they speak in a channel where lambdabot also is, and if they're not in one they might be very confused much later when they do
18:33:12 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61322&oldid=61299 * Helen * (+2029) /* Alternative memory structures */ Added a section on alternative memory structures
18:34:03 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61323&oldid=61322 * Helen * (+4) /* Alternative memory structures */ Small formatting error
18:42:06 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61324&oldid=61323 * Helen * (+23) /* Loading the value of a cell */ Small fix to loading algorithm
18:59:00 <HackEso> Like the shorter and more familiar strings of stringed musical instruments, the cable of a space elevator has a natural resonant frequency.
19:02:04 <b_jonas> my hon. and learned friend fungot, when will you fund building a space elevator?
19:02:04 <fungot> b_jonas: about his hat dirty. an old factory lost two! i would say you came up here that is not much happens.
19:04:38 <oerjan> i can understand fungot would be reluctant to fund another space elevator if they've already lost two
19:04:38 <fungot> oerjan: what the hell is that? my, that is a smart mouth you have. it plays a role in the outcome of the kids' game session.
19:05:09 <oerjan> fungot: and yours is dirty tdnh
19:05:09 <fungot> oerjan: and so it would continue. time to get this way rude hunger is so ill-mannered it would be a life that i guess you have inadvertently left your room. you of course.
19:05:24 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
19:06:37 <fungot> Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings)
19:07:03 <oerjan> fungot: prithee be more polite, wilst thou?
19:07:03 <fungot> oerjan: 1.warder. who's there?
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19:11:53 <fungot> kmc: lear. come, come, you fnord fogges, drawne by the fnord
19:12:02 <kmc> hmm, did shakespeare coin the word fnord?
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19:35:41 <zzo38> What is the frequency of a space elevator?
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19:42:55 <b_jonas> zzo38: of the style that's made of impossibly tough material, we can't really say, because we don't have such a material so we don't know its properties
19:46:04 <b_jonas> for the one made of particles being continuously shot up and fall down, the frequency is probably the reciprocial of the time it takes for each particle to go a full circle, in order of magnitude, so I'd guess between a minute and an hour
19:54:13 <zzo38> Do you like my new NNTP service? It was set up yesterday, so there are no messages so far
19:55:19 <b_jonas> I'm still too young for NNTP
19:55:31 <b_jonas> I didn't use usenet when I was younger, and don't feel like starting now
19:55:39 <b_jonas> we just had mailing lists and web forums
19:55:50 <b_jonas> and also mailing list mirrors of newsgroups and web mirrors of newsgroups
19:57:47 <zzo38> It is not Usenet, but is Unusenet. Also, I implemented a POSTQUIT command for convenience of users who are not using NNTP software; you can prepare your message in another file, with POSTQUIT on the first line and a dot by itself on the last line, and then just send it. If there is an error it will immediately terminate and not try to interpret the rest of your message as commands.
20:02:26 <zzo38> (Also, it is Y2K compliant. The old Usenet wasn't Y2K compliant.)
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21:11:08 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61325&oldid=61324 * TuxCrafting * (+352) oops
21:28:27 <zzo38> I was not engaged in NNTP and Usenet myself, actually. Only recently I implemented it.
21:34:11 <fizzie> Fun Usenet fact: Finland had two competing Usenet group hierarchies, "finet" and "sfnet".
21:47:35 <zzo38> What do they have now?
22:04:26 <fizzie> I think "sfnet" shut down not too long ago. It was managed in vaguely the same way the big 8, so you couldn't just create groups there; "finet" is more like alt.* in that respect.
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22:24:30 <b_jonas> my hon. and learned friend fungot, how many battles of beer do you have on the wall?
22:24:31 <fungot> b_jonas: husband. thank you. i thank you. my lady would not lose him for more than fifty years. in 1180, however, set them free. after a fnord upon her, not leaue her token: she is sphericall, like a forked radish, with a wofull ballad made to his mistresse eye-brow. then, tell us e'en now, that strew the greene lap of faire king richard, ratcliffe, louel.
22:40:52 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61326&oldid=61325 * Helen * (+375) /* Bitch is probably Turing-incomplete */ Apologies for unclearness
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23:58:32 <b_jonas> what is the spacex launch thing doing?