set a ! set b ! add a b..."
> 1547632191 858219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 1314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59237&oldid=59236 5* 03A 5* (+13) 10/* Implementation */
< 1547632252 104751 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1547632280 988679 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to procrastinate more, but sadly enough, i have a job
< 1547632634 470685 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm good at procrastinating a bit even whilst at work
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> 1547633477 311191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 1314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59238&oldid=59237 5* 03A 5* (+4411) 10
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> 1547634465 583085 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 1314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59239&oldid=59238 5* 03A 5* (+5400) 10
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> 1547635696 122583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 1314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59240&oldid=59239 5* 03A 5* (-170) 10
> 1547636192 421985 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 1314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59241&oldid=59240 5* 03A 5* (-43) 10
< 1547636395 560659 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hell is with this A guy
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< 1547636641 865952 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190115.html
< 1547636643 692901 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190115.html: b_jonas
< 1547636663 584012 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: A has like five aliases on the wiki
< 1547636671 685789 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1547636680 467974 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all of those as horrible as this?
< 1547636880 528112 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it just looks like he is reinventing assembler last time i checked
< 1547636884 934849 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but worse
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> 1547637871 931174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 1314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59242&oldid=59241 5* 03A 5* (+5396) 10
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> 1547642637 81910 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59243&oldid=58968 5* 03A 5* (+82) 10
> 1547642672 496555 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59244&oldid=59228 5* 03A 5* (+37) 10/* See Also */
> 1547642711 595844 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 1314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59245&oldid=59242 5* 03A 5* (+65) 10
> 1547642767 866949 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 1314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59246&oldid=59245 5* 03A 5* (+59) 10
> 1547642848 819859 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59247&oldid=59243 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10bad grammar
> 1547642898 815515 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59248&oldid=59247 5* 03A 5* (+3) 10
> 1547642980 250369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59249&oldid=59229 5* 03A 5* (+106) 10
> 1547643329 278765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59250&oldid=59082 5* 03A 5* (+150) 10Another idea
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> 1547650387 697869 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Arseniiv/Subsandbox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59251 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+109) 10I hope it will go as expected
< 1547650416 610494 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so subpages are allowed here
> 1547650497 170479 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Arseniiv14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59252&oldid=57423 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+30) 10Subsandbox link for it to not be an orphan
> 1547650834 597952 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Printscript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59253 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+509) 10/* Created because this page has too much information. */ new section
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< 1547658403 344826 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lppt
< 1547658404 185929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LPPT 161700Z VRB02KT 3500 BR FEW010 BKN034 11/11 Q1018
< 1547658438 138967 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unpleasantly humid)
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> 1547663033 273412 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HuffPuff14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59254 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+553) 10Created page with "A language made by [[User: Areallycoolusername|Areallycoolusername]]. It's a [[Brainfuck]] derivative, and the only valid command "HUFFLEPUFF", and "HUFFLEPUFFLET".   {| class..."
> 1547663052 395625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HuffPuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59255&oldid=59254 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (-2) 10
> 1547663115 764493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59256&oldid=59172 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+28) 10/* Brainfuck derivatives */
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> 1547671970 695689 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Cortex/sus++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59257&oldid=59168 5* 03Cortex 5* (-3902) 10Replaced content with "lol nvm"
> 1547671994 144415 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07$ $14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59258&oldid=59139 5* 03Cortex 5* (+11) 10
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< 1547673917 313381 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any concievable difference between (float) and static_cast at runtime?
< 1547674011 832506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it odd that C calls both float->int and float *-> int * conversion the same thing?
< 1547674019 418811 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: no
< 1547674038 408411 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but static_cast is more restricted, can be applied to fewer types
< 1547674085 712779 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't question the basic principles that our prophets K&R have layed down. it's not odd.
< 1547674086 350534 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1547674120 312790 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: not by much probably though
< 1547674127 498894 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're more or less the same
< 1547674133 249666 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1547674137 727448 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure, sadly
< 1547674169 742445 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some strange thing with user-defined types that can give very unintuitive results for casts when classes have a strange interface
< 1547674179 451992 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(completely unrelated: do I remember right K&R also had defined B, or was it a more collective work?)
< 1547674202 463066 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suddenly wondered what if we had B++)
< 1547674202 723768 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think that only results in casts being surprisingly a compile error or surprisingly not a compile error
< 1547674228 190176 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think when static_cast, const_cast, or reinterpret_cast is valid, then they do the same as a C-style cast
< 1547674246 946667 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1547674268 597117 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there was something when the C-style cast was different because it called a ... I dunno really
< 1547674271 613082 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hack
< 1547674274 88750 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck
< 1547674290 151729 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: sorry, the casts are so complicated and ugly that I really don't understand them in the general case
< 1547674306 285330 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll probably have to ask ##C++, they know the rules better
< 1547674310 259332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define cast
< 1547674322 49918 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well luckily I only needed the anwer in the particular case of float and int and such
< 1547674340 609525 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write casts to do what I want, but I can't predict what they do when they're ones I wouldn't write
< 1547674352 958645 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to ensure I am not losing my mind
< 1547674363 946186 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: oh, between built-in numeric types, static cast and C style cast should be the same
< 1547674397 335593 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except perhaps for C complexes, which the C++ rules don't acknowledge, so the behavior of static_cast isn't really defined for htem
< 1547674443 66057 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: note though that casting a float to an int can invoke undefined behavior when there's an overflow, so a compiler _could_ give different undefined behavior for a C style cast vs a static_cast in theory
< 1547674447 83611 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely that they would
< 1547674447 366905 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( casts are like typeclass instances at their worst but are even more obscure )
< 1547674476 176180 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need to avoid the undefined behavior, you'll have to call library functions instead of casting
< 1547674510 799048 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of that undefined behavior, in practice it's not easy to use float to integer cast correctly
< 1547674520 902820 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only really do it after some comparisons to check the range of the input
< 1547674547 126193 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn’t it _to_ float though?
< 1547674577 660678 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yeah in the instances it's either int to float or double to float (template function)
< 1547674596 493675 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or float to float
< 1547674597 873155 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: oh, that's better, yes
< 1547674614 274708 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a template fucntion from class T to float
< 1547674621 474657 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to float is safe
< 1547674622 175859 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(float to float cast is my favorite!!)
< 1547674656 255533 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that C++ doesn't know about C complex floats, so I don't know if you can static_cast a C complex to a real
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< 1547679559 613341 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does every ebay electronic seller now inclue a totally unrelated cheap item as a supposed color variant or size variant into their sold item listing to cause ebay to display a lower price? 
< 1547679597 408245 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-72.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's getting boring
> 1547680528 183219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0711CORTLANG14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59259 5* 03Cortex 5* (+1041) 10Created page with "'''11CORTLANG''' (the 11th language by [[User:Cortex|]]) is a stack-based language made by [[User:Cortex|]] using only the characters 0, 1, space, and newline.  == Syntax and..."
> 1547680543 619965 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Cortex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59260&oldid=59171 5* 03Cortex 5* (+17) 10
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< 1547683778 114212 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a file jupyter.bat and pasted "jupyter notebook --no-browser" there, then run and wasn’t able to comprehend why it loops endlessly and doesn’t lanuch jupyter ∗stupid∗
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< 1547701124 370229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1547701404 270128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1547701406 642509 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:boring//Boring means of little interest, unless it is done to pigs. \ blu-ray//Blu-ray is the favorite storage format of Hooloovoos. \ å//Å _is_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters. \ long winded//"long winded" is an adjectival phrase used for the description of something that has been long in the wind and has been slowly sculpted into a more flowing shape, thereby allowing wind to pass it
< 1547701408 207067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1547701408 939424 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:with a significantly smaller amount of resistance. \ ^//^ (also notated by ⊕ or ⊻) is the exclusive-or operator; ∧ (also notated by /\ or &) is the and (conjunction) operator; ^ (also notated by ↑ or ** or ⋆) is the power operator.
< 1547701426 688619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Blu-ray disc but no Blu-ray drive.
< 1547701429 24667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I do?
< 1547702243 76709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sing the Blus
< 1547702278 216697 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sings for oerjan 

< 1547702288 983880 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Acquire one with currency?
< 1547702329 648064 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if it's just a video you want to watch: do you happen to have a game console that uses Blu-ray discs as a storage medium?
< 1547702644 573123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have this one disc. Seems excessive to get a drive for it.
< 1547702658 700617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a game console. If I had one I'd use it of course.
< 1547702736 438782 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair.
< 1547702846 685541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The disc is Jim Knopf
< 1547703487 877258 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf:find out if local net cafe has a compy with a blu ray drive
< 1547703528 249926 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrr, me matey?
< 1547704869 60927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ordered the disc all the way from Germany!
< 1547705712 272140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell arseniiv Technically subpages are not allowed in the main namespace of esolang, although you can name pages with / in them
< 1547705712 565488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
> 1547705826 827421 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59261&oldid=59248 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-86) 10Revert; I don't see where it says this is collaborative
< 1547707167 83255 :uplime!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
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< 1547710342 184432 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
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< 1547712501 955923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
> 1547716239 973357 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Interdemento14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59262 5* 03Jabutosama 5* (+1658) 10created the page.
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< 1547719039 752180 :derpy!~quassel@ppp-62-216-204-10.dynamic.mnet-online.de PART #esoteric :"http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."
< 1547720992 659494 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric
< 1547721012 779112 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1547722985 12836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
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< 1547724026 336257 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1547724217 588557 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
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< 1547730416 365271 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-070-034-085.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1547730540 408209 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lis
< 1547730543 449627 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm
< 1547730555 333742 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lppt
< 1547730556 112563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LPPT 171300Z 01014KT 9999 SCT034 13/05 Q1020
< 1547731100 628855 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :13/05 is *soo* much nicer than 11/11
< 1547731143 48243 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar essb
< 1547731143 559218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSB 171250Z 33011KT 300V360 9999 BKN016 M01/M04 Q0988 R12/690295
< 1547731156 472864 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice errywhere
< 1547731333 724181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LSZH
< 1547731334 206345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSZH 171250Z 25012KT 9999 -SHRA FEW020 SCT040 BKN060 06/02 Q1009 TEMPO SHRA
< 1547731471 490908 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LHBS
< 1547731471 922801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1547731480 700357 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LHBP
< 1547731481 156010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LHBP 171300Z 24009KT CAVOK 11/04 Q1010 NOSIG
< 1547731497 128595 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1547731498 892169 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the L prefix?
< 1547731516 150214 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm huh
< 1547731558 45198 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh "southern europe"
< 1547731575 164225 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of Europe really, plus isreal
< 1547731581 469714 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus Israel
< 1547731624 620720 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :E is apparently iceland, ireland, UK, scandinavia, baltics, germany, poland
< 1547731632 392987 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and benelux
< 1547731640 839136 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :judging by the map on Wikipedia anyway
< 1547731666 528880 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Germany and assorted minor areas in Europe
< 1547731697 437440 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1547731830 785763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switzerland doesn't feel "southern" to me.
< 1547731978 272074 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGSC
< 1547731978 901952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGSC 171320Z 32014KT 9999 FEW030 05/M04 Q1012
< 1547732000 176008 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do love living in the same city as an international airport with precisely zero scheduled flights
< 1547732233 609577 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is it one of those that count as "international" because you can technically reach Canada from it?
< 1547732819 128803 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I don't know. It used to do flights to Gothenburg
< 1547733295 789982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1547733296 281535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 171320Z 27008KT 9999 FEW065 05/M02 Q1007 WS R26 NOSIG
< 1547733314 77412 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar eddm
< 1547733314 497174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDDM 171350Z 25018KT 9999 -RA FEW032 SCT045 06/02 Q1006 NOSIG
< 1547733345 51703 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that'll be slightly warmer than expected. I'll take it.
< 1547733443 662132 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? metar
< 1547733444 721222 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :metar is a service Taneb invented that allows nerds to talk about the weather.
< 1547733607 356524 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fine, "not northern" europe then :P
< 1547733653 967453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬northern.
< 1547733668 245241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the UK keyboard layout has a dedicated ¬ key.
< 1547733875 560367 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm flying from LPPT (LIS) to EDDM (MUC) in a short while; LOWI (INN) is within walking distance from my home.
< 1547733968 881773 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisabon, Munich, Innsbruck?
< 1547733990 72951 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1547734016 169565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm visiting our Zurich office this week, that's why I looked up LSZH.)
< 1547734068 951482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :BA's subsidiary ("BA CityFlyer") had cheaper flights from London City to Zurich than BA had from Heathrow, which surprised me a little.
< 1547734080 280376 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this is weak: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts#w_customize-or-disable-keyboard-shortcuts ... why do I need an add-on to customize keyboard shortcuts?
< 1547734084 422334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always sort of assumed LCY is for overpaid businessmen only.
< 1547734143 922229 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plane ticket prices are a deep mystery
< 1547734160 100528 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably requires machine learning to understand the machine learning used on the other side :P
< 1547734164 988341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You also need an add-on to reorder your email accounts in Thunderbird's account list -- https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1086682
< 1547734190 915809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, or you can remove the accounts and then re-add them in the correct order, I guess.)
< 1547734193 586349 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're visiting it this week, you should look up a longer term forecast, not a metar
< 1547734213 707661 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I live there :P
< 1547734222 996261 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: um, so?
< 1547734234 941551 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look up forecasts for where I live all the time
< 1547734245 716558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not interested in the weather more than a couple of hours ahead :P
< 1547734247 731321 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've flown {to,via} Brussels a few times from BMA now--it's mostly for inter-scandinavia flights, and is really nice due to being tiny
< 1547734260 719633 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically https://www.met.hu/idojaras/elorejelzes/valoszinusegi/ and https://www.met.hu/idojaras/veszelyjelzes/
< 1547734293 404978 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, I do look at weather forecasts :P
< 1547734294 197029 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh. I'm interested in weather for at least the next 16 hours in any morning, to know what clothing to take
< 1547734305 96112 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just a couple of horus
< 1547734318 298035 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-partition_problem
< 1547734378 277519 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, that says they get their forecasts from ECMWF, who offer data to researchers after registration. I was wondering if we should make an #esoteric bot for accessing their forecast data, for research purposes
< 1547734448 808845 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I could try to get data directly from met.hu
< 1547734459 304728 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's tricky, there's a lot of data they only show as fancy rendered png images
< 1547734767 457129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FMI (Finnish Meteorological Institute) had an open data project, I think most of their stuff (including the main forecasts) is available in machine-readable form, which is nice.
< 1547734831 220100 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these HTMLs are mostly machine-readable, only you may have to load a lot of smally ones to get all the data, it's geared for users who specifically want only the data or forecast for certain regions
> 1547739073 808042 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alchemist14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59263&oldid=59061 5* 03BMO 5* (+261) 10
< 1547739212 305574 :copumpkin[m]!copumpkinm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qdkljumzcblawjrd QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1547740641 704389 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, is this the house of bassa Selim?
< 1547740641 827744 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: " aargh!" ' said rincewind.
< 1547740737 673485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Your use of punctuation is suspect.
< 1547740738 95426 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he raised his sword as the fnord palace.) has sold the fnord to try that on us. they think it's cool.'
< 1547740753 363459 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, typical fungot quotation marks
< 1547740753 469562 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: ' why's the box so important?' said
< 1547740757 74065 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see
< 1547740904 651509 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` grep -REli scal wisdom # it's strange that there's no match to this
< 1547740905 704295 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1547741000 935146 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget trantor
< 1547741002 925183 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what?
< 1547742714 946851 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
< 1547744805 981471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1547746721 737910 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator NICK :Bowserinator
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< 1547747898 390195 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
> 1547748140 548982 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C-INTERCAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59264&oldid=31852 5* 03B jonas 5* (+124) 10
< 1547748295 547013 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, is this the house of Pasa Selim?
< 1547748295 827220 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ' i've got this dear,' said cohen. ' truckle, you push fnord' at a dog an' sayin' that's not a problem in agnes's case, at least,
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< 1547749178 107802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh luggage where art thou?
< 1547749254 492251 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the conveyor started. progress.
< 1547749290 302960 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, I was asking, have I arrived to the house of Pasa Selim?
< 1547749290 494262 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: " yeah. weird." ' you summoned death to ask that kind of stuff,' said
< 1547749358 187373 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're... death?
< 1547749374 492841 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pratchett?
< 1547749378 815016 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1547749378 885627 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld* enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
< 1547749384 929340 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it looks like, sure
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< 1547750151 38395 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot you old fool, is this the house of the hon. and learned Pasa Selim?
< 1547750151 266608 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: vimes looked at the open doorway... and vanished.
< 1547750156 272076 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1547750158 508364 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... vanished?
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< 1547752703 767735 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? morph ball
< 1547752704 890927 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :morph ball? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1547752706 67359 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? morph
< 1547752707 187496 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :morph? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1547752707 691213 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? morphism
< 1547752708 864563 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A morphism is just a natural transformation between two diagrams of shape 1.
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< 1547753474 843158 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lepton
< 1547753475 989572 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lepton? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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< 1547754500 74468 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( any sufficiently advanced loudness war is indistinguishable from clipping )
< 1547754623 657829 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does fungot fungot style entail?
< 1547754623 969867 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: ' what was a corpse doing in his wardrobe rather than take a tutorial. already the rocks were warm to the touch. " get some rest," said the patrician.
< 1547754678 473113 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? baryon
< 1547754679 556849 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :baryon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1547754696 647549 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it’s supersymmetric at it
< 1547754723 168801 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot
< 1547754723 267684 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
< 1547754745 432660 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it should be fun and statistically unstable!
< 1547754755 962172 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot what did you said yourself?
< 1547754756 222431 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: i use slatex tex2page, and then to beslubber our garments with it, it had some obvious deficiences ( such as `,3 sub by 47, 48, 49, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 100, 121, 144, 169, 196, 225, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, ...out of time!
< 1547754785 648440 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: and it’s all?
< 1547754785 718083 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov
< 1547754813 13184 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: not that cryptic, I’d say
< 1547754813 125057 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: ( that is, levinson went to kish, disappeared, had on your behalf of the commission is not allowed to use the crane, enter any two of these letters, a b y.
< 1547754853 284060 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should activate another style, it was too early
< 1547754899 868688 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft
< 1547754900 20236 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
< 1547754951 646389 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scrambles away

< 1547755120 299444 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan ah that explains what I’ve seen yesterday about one of the pages; should I correct something in the discussion, then?
< 1547755120 613006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1547757677 968424 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? i
< 1547757679 146302 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SIGNIFICAT NVMERVM VNVM
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< 1547760143 548003 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here to see what fungot's current mode does...
< 1547760143 932164 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: so betty, my miss, hideous aura that stretched from a dubious birth to a cloud of mystery as any he ever evoked from his nightmare fancy. bierce was a fnord man's face on top of it, though the wind was soft and light, and would not rise till the small hours beyond midnight, all the rotting ancient books and parts of the
< 1547760238 591983 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's good. Illuminatus fnords are still there though, what's that about, fungot?
< 1547760238 879053 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: " but the whisperer never continued. the interruption was not produced by my fright, nor by the rapidly increasing storm amidst whose fury i was presently to open my eyes on a smoky solitude of blackened ruins. it was from the artists and poets that the pertinent answers came, and his crown of vine-leaves. but he was unmoved, and cried: " if i am mad. but i was resolved to let nothing deter me.
< 1547760303 707821 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough, I'll accept that as an explanation.
< 1547760660 24148 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's your opinion on August Derleth's mythos stories?
< 1547760660 123195 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: " as i gazed at this sight from the white star pier in fnord.
< 1547760702 576374 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric : '' is pretty much my opinion too
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< 1547762076 614015 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
> 1547762241 846722 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cthulhu14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59265 5* 03Joshop 5* (+412) 10Created page with "Cthulhu is an esoteric programming language heavily based off of [[Deadfish i]]. == Structure == Cthulhu programs consist of a list of function definitions, with one on each l..."
< 1547763056 225885 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this going to force my hand to write up my Lovecraft themed esolang concept I had over new years? I'm already in the middle of about 4 unfinished ideas that are suffering form a lack of focus
< 1547763100 415508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: no
< 1547763227 969732 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying I should wait until I have finished something before writing it up?    .... or just 'no' in general :D as in 'no, really "no". Just don't do that.'?
< 1547763265 926455 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: don't write it down earlier just because someone else posts something Lovecraft themed
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< 1547763788 361448 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: good advice. My idea is mostly thematic not-really-implementable (similar to conversations earlier this year in this channel about whether magic systems can be considered 'programming languages'), but with at least one aspect of (hopefully!) practical computation that I have stalled on implementing.
< 1547763807 433925 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good
< 1547763827 999645 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if it's Lovecroft-themed, then trying to implementing it could drive you insane
< 1547763838 652159 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-200.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you know it's not implementable, you may get some delay
< 1547763914 728756 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fungot theme attracted me, and will probably inspire me to work on it further. 
< 1547763915 59568 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: the intrinsic fnord of the most stupendous and fnord nature of the missing girl... the professor must have made. there was nothing in this room to distinguish it merely the floor of the cavern in the vicinity, and it may be that oonai the city of marble and effulgence. the effect of its blasts on the invisible walls, and once
< 1547764156 112263 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, just realised that four of the languages I'm casually working on specs for are stalled on figuring out mathematical details. I move quicker when I'm dealing with dead languages and exotic alphabets.
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> 1547769813 644769 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0711CORTLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59266&oldid=59259 5* 03Cortex 5* (-234) 10
> 1547769943 783515 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Salpynx 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:LHOOQ.png10]]"
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> 1547770093 371477 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07L.H.O.O.Q.14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59268 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+8322) 10I've been sitting on this for ages. 'joke' complete, but help wanted to finish the maths, if anyone feels like taking this seriously
> 1547770221 603152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07L.H.O.O.Q.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59269&oldid=59268 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-2) 10/* Comparison with HQ9+ */
> 1547770298 56904 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07L.H.O.O.Q.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59270&oldid=59269 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-2) 10/* External resources */
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> 1547770856 150091 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07QETAN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59271&oldid=59170 5* 03Cortex 5* (-1939) 10Replaced content with "delete this ~~~~"
> 1547770871 840008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Cortex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59272&oldid=59260 5* 03Cortex 5* (-12) 10
> 1547771417 623177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0711CORTLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59273&oldid=59266 5* 03Cortex 5* (+126) 10/* Syntax and commands */
> 1547771637 121266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0711CORTLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59274&oldid=59273 5* 03Cortex 5* (+74) 10
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< 1547772737 50853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`'
< 1547772737 705276 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :819)  usb sushi is dangerous.  I think I would try to eat it
> 1547773149 922668 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07L.H.O.O.Q.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59275&oldid=59270 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+69) 10/* Display limitations */ oops, forgot those when pasting old code
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> 1547774091 299982 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07L.H.O.O.Q.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59276&oldid=59275 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+0) 10
< 1547774494 620738 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'm done with that for today. I probably have other related code snippets to string maniulation, but the L-function stuff is there published on the Wolfram Development platform, which I have only played around with briefly for this demo. Also available: imaginary bottles of beer code in python, which gives entertaining results.
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> 1547777552 192008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07@NUM14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59278 5* 03KrystosTheOverlord 5* (+1183) 10Created page with "== @NUM ==  '''@NUM''' is my first programming language (the name is based on the structure of the code). The language itself consists of a syntax of 11 "words". @NUM is based..."
> 1547777787 207906 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07@NUM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59279&oldid=59278 5* 03KrystosTheOverlord 5* (+78) 10
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< 1547797424 820528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone mentioned "In my flying dreams I always have wings, which I understand is uncommon". Is it uncommon? What is you?
< 1547797897 580612 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are dreams?
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< 1547803798 351374 :atriq!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever have flying dreams
< 1547803802 842628 :atriq!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm atriq
< 1547803805 17887 :atriq!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 NICK :Taneb
< 1547803838 155828 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do seem to have occasional Donald Trump dreams, regretfully
< 1547803843 253962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atriq
< 1547803844 814174 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq or two
< 1547803863 397280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is donald trump a tanebvention?
< 1547804114 74705 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hope not
< 1547804722 986951 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you saying Trump is your dream president?
< 1547804733 920904 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::C
< 1547804787 339640 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are we discussing nightmares now?
< 1547805423 517698 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, I do remember dreams occasionally but they tend to be absurd collages and extrapolations of real life events... nothign I really want to remember :P)
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< 1547807471 916427 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dreams commonly work in dream logic, needing wings to fly is too connected, and not necessary. Most of the time in a dream when something happens, it doesn't require any supporting details, it just happens  
< 1547807614 178552 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read somewhere you couldn't read proper words in dreams and used to try and recall examples where I had clearly observed sensible text in dreams. The memories seemed to be impressions of meaning, regardless of what the txt was 
< 1547808189 348787 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, colour my dreams
< 1547808220 633643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Color a dinosaur.
< 1547808220 881381 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the vigilant left valparaiso march 25th, and on the other hand the newcomer and all subsequent comers loomed large and close, as if to some eldritch rendezvous more and more
< 1547808300 504030 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: colour my dreams
< 1547808300 626999 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: was it possible that akeley had been surprised by an unexpected visit from them.
< 1547808390 28130 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, ignorer of commas
< 1547808390 170359 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: told. he saw towers and walls in nighted depths under the sea, and tried to fathom nature's pandemonium. they
< 1547808459 43328 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet dreams...
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> 1547814706 740971 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cthulhu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59283&oldid=59265 5* 03Joshop 5* (+619) 10
> 1547815651 894077 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cthulhu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59284&oldid=59283 5* 03Joshop 5* (+933) 10
> 1547815778 843444 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cthulhu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59285&oldid=59284 5* 03Joshop 5* (+88) 10
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< 1547816317 9226 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas I don't know what happened to intercal.org.uk; it used to be run by the CLC-INTERCAL maintainer
< 1547816317 339307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1547816398 129346 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, if it's Lovecroft-themed, then trying to implementing it could drive you insane  so if you know it's not implementable, you may get some delay ← that's pretty much what happened with Feather
< 1547816573 556709 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric : […] 47, 48, 49, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 100, 121, 144, 169, 196, 225, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, ...out of time! ← fizzie: fungot style request: oeis
< 1547816573 785035 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it came to him he appeared unaccountably frightened. his father's old butler who was there with other fnord. but at the same time. on earth, and there i dwelt for many aeons. green are the groves and pastures, bright and beautiful, and to
< 1547816627 925689 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, whatever program that was, it's impressive that it was printing in decimal
< 1547816655 878023 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it's actually likely multiple programs' output merged, and probably run over a short space of time)
< 1547816727 603308 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I haven't checked this with technical tools or anything like that, but I have a suspicion that User:Areallycoolusername and User:A are the same person
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< 1547817012 804904 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 NICK :ais523
< 1547817015 768364 :ais523!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1547817016 79173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today.
< 1547817096 995521 :ais523!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 NICK :ais523_
< 1547817162 627688 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ukparl
< 1547817162 683893 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ukparl (UK Parliament debates from brexit referendum to late 2018)
< 1547817173 419844 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I guess this style is topical at the moment?
< 1547817173 691080 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: in about the approach. i urge, that the state of the country, making thousands.
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< 1547817412 901926 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1547817428 76720 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi wob_jonas 
< 1547817444 537194 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that I have my underscore, so I might have to disappear at any moment for work
< 1547817461 877758 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 47, 48, 49, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 100, 121, 144, 169, 196, 225, 256, 512, 1024, 2048
< 1547817462 816170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1547817517 797760 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know there's not much connection, but http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/art-2 made me think of "But Is It Art?"
< 1547817525 792697 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't check, I'm at work
< 1547817551 445601 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, I looked at Nellephant. apparently you put some little syntactic twist in esolangs even when they're supposed to be "easy to program"
< 1547817567 936465 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, it doesn't really make it harder to program, you can just preprocess the difficulty away
< 1547817582 838275 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the preprocessor is meant to be the easy-to-program version
< 1547817605 26770 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the version after preprocessing is meant to be obviously NL-complete, above any other consideration
< 1547817613 627980 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you probably don't care much about efficient runtime when programming such an NL thing
< 1547817630 879814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1547817653 268225 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I do somewhat, it'd be a shame if a Nellephant compiler didn't compile any program to an output program that runs in polynomial time
< 1547817656 662914 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me tens of minutes to figure out how to copy a pointer, and how to increment one.
< 1547817685 848596 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because NL \subseteq P is a classic result of complexity theory
< 1547817701 312310 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in that respect sure
< 1547817761 597396 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, something that I've been realising a lot recently is that people who say "problem X is in complexity class Y" are normally failing to conclusively identify the value of n, and that leads to apparently contradictory results
< 1547817808 449853 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are proofs going around that regex-with-backreferences is NP-complete, and yet you can also prove that (at least for the simple model of backreferences that Precognition regexes use) regex-with-backreferences is in NL
< 1547817829 331995 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also
< 1547817847 67493 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is that it's NP in the size of the regex itself, but NL in the size of the string you're running the regex on
< 1547817868 859224 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Madore wrote a blog article where he complains about how confusing linear logic is. I think you know more about that topic than him.
< 1547817934 920145 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He says that almost every example that people give about what linear logic is useful for doesn't actually cover all of linear logic, only a restricted part or linear logic with more axioms.
< 1547817965 554889 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I think the way most linear logicians see things is that linear logic as a whole is a framework for expressing other logics
< 1547817974 625629 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, many useful logics can be seen as a fragment of linear logic
< 1547817995 721826 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a very deep article though, unlike the typical maths articles he usually writes
< 1547818005 46181 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only covers the surface
< 1547818005 715244 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can write papers using, say, "the call by name fragment of linear logic" and other mathematicians will know what you mean; you're intentionally not using the whole thing, but it's an easy way to define the logic you actually want
< 1547818034 434399 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like BF--, "non-wrapping brainfuck without the - instruction" clearly isn't the same language, but it's a convenient way to define it
< 1547818074 761524 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :full linear logic has a lot of things that are mostly only there for symmetry/completeness and it would be rare for a language to need every part of it at once
< 1547818091 587345 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, that crazy language, of which I only learned a few months ago that it was TC
< 1547818117 64101 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clearly isn't the same language as brainfuck
< 1547818153 787879 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I was idly wondering recently what the worst possible BF derivative was, and I decided that it was probably the language you get when you delete one of the brackets without deleting the other one
< 1547818175 271054 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then I started wondering if BF without ] was TC, if you assume that [ is matched by the end of the program; sadly, it isn't, and it isn't even usable for programming)
< 1547818218 108820 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1547818233 473226 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, the only reason it isn't TC is that you can't break out of the innermost loop, or avoid entering it, without the program just ending; if you assume that every [ is matched by ]> or something then it almost certainly is TC
< 1547818275 941575 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, make that "certainly" not just "almost certainly", you can trivially modify oerjan's-and-my 2-bracket-BF into that form)
< 1547818291 903981 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the 2-bracket thing shows that
< 1547818390 944096 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as for blindfolded arithmetic, I'm remiss there, I'll need to think more and edit the wiki article and then read your solution
< 1547818408 701524 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for two variables that is, after deciding whether I can prove three variables
< 1547818432 583625 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: point of order, mr. fungot
< 1547818432 857770 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luciole: are the government as to the possibility, and one of the first things that the indian government,
< 1547818539 359463 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two-variable version was a pain, it was pretty much entirely based on trying to figure out what operations were possible
< 1547818608 676088 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people in literature should get their simulees consistent. apparently they both say that someone is "free as a bird", and that someone is "captured like a bird [in a cage]". what's the point of the bird in those simulees then, if it goes both ways?
< 1547818694 76203 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect the word for "something that is the object of a simile" to be "similee", but then I'm not sure that there even is such a word
< 1547818697 266137 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn similee
< 1547818698 634680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "similee".
< 1547818702 286477 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn simulee
< 1547818703 453901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "simulee".
< 1547818736 626101 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a bonus, I was wondering if blindfolded arithmetic without multiplication is TC. it breaks the usual constructions (even though _most_ of the multiplications are just for convenience or speed or freeing up variables), so I can't prove it, but I think it's probably still TC given enough variables.
< 1547818744 966345 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, hmm, maybe that's the subject, because the similor should be the person making the comparison…
< 1547818746 165510 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, simile
< 1547818786 93600 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the constructions I've used so far fundamentally rely on multiplication, but when you have a lot of variables, there's a lot of leeway in the construction
< 1547818796 784936 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may be able to get around it using repeated addition plus division
< 1547818800 451196 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has two "i" because "similar" does
< 1547818837 45123 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lot of" hehe
< 1547818853 142678 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I'm not surprised I don't know the words for the various things involved in a simile, many people don't know them for even basic arithmetic operations because they're not actually useful
< 1547818870 838316 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people know dividend, divisor, quotient, remainder
< 1547818877 883108 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because divisions have a lot of parts to keep track of
< 1547818880 267219 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn augend
< 1547818881 460505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "augend" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1547818881 460552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :augend
< 1547818881 592637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: a number to which another number (the addend) is added
< 1547818900 989229 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for operations like addition, there are words for the various parts of the addition, but only "sum" is regularly used
< 1547818913 149144 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"addend" and "augend" are used only very rarely
< 1547818915 82888 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn minuend
< 1547818915 740148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn subtrahend
< 1547818916 537487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "minuend" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1547818916 537537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :minuend
< 1547818916 652990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: the number from which the subtrahend is subtracted
< 1547818917 502231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "subtrahend" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1547818917 548657 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtrahend
< 1547818917 548749 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "term"
< 1547818918 465193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: the number to be subtracted from the minuend
< 1547818923 974402 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION high-fives fizzie

< 1547818926 43944 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"term" for addition and subtraction
< 1547818931 472632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good timing.
< 1547818934 237552 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, the timing there was perfect
< 1547818939 348346 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also "accumulator"
> 1547818945 435219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07@NUM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59286&oldid=59280 5* 03KrystosTheOverlord 5* (+682) 10
< 1547818961 565137 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"accumulator" is useful for describing a programming and/or processor-implementation technique
< 1547818967 963212 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1547818979 259609 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is not necessarily limited to additions, it depends on the processor
< 1547818989 665863 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1547819054 729395 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have "term", and for multiplications, "product", and there's probably English terms for the two operands of a non-commutative multiplication separately
< 1547819064 701819 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I don't think I ever heard of "augend"
< 1547819070 807452 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplier, multiplicand
< 1547819079 204122 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the second-best known after the terms for a division
< 1547819106 896415 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the results are "sum" and "difference" and "product" of course
< 1547819115 484631 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, "multiplicand" is used very rarely, but "multiplier" is very common
< 1547819122 117057 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah sorry, I meant "factor" is the generic for multipliaction operands
< 1547819126 792129 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"product" is the result obviously]
< 1547819138 436299 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"factor" is weird, it's mostly used in the sense of something that divides into a number exactly
< 1547819158 405964 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after programming in Brachylog, I've got used to "unmultiplication" as its own primitive operation
< 1547819182 864034 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is similar to division but it's only defined where the result is an integer, otherwise it retroactively unasks the question
< 1547819196 123086 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there were at least three words for exponentiation too, probably more than three
> 1547819196 899993 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07@NUM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59287&oldid=59286 5* 03KrystosTheOverlord 5* (+24) 10
< 1547819233 316795 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exponent" for the second argument of exponentiation I think
< 1547819242 870837 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"base"/"exponent" is probably the most commonly used by mathematicians, but I agree that there are plenty of others (many of which are hoplessly misleading)
< 1547819248 902763 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1547819272 970943 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame mnemonics that people use for the order of operations
< 1547819312 250706 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BIDMAS" and "BODMAS" are common; the latter is especially weird as people seem unclear on what the O stands for (I've seen people claim it stands for "of"!)
< 1547819315 693434 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some crazy generic terms like "characteristic", and it gets worse at "modulus" of course
< 1547819332 730139 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PEMDAS" seems to be correct as mnemonics go, I suspect it's a more modern version
< 1547819354 878245 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although any of these confuse people who program in float arithmetic as they don't handle the coassociativity of muliplication/division and of addition/subtraction)
< 1547819373 130076 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: "modulus" is pretty clear when you're talking about modular arithmetic
< 1547819377 918234 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, they're the order of operations in some very rare programming languages I think
< 1547819390 728809 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only potential issue is when what you actually want to talk about is the operation called % in C
< 1547819394 628890 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "modulus" is confusing because it means two things that are apparently unrelated
< 1547819416 650248 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other meaning is the absolute value or magnitude of a complex number or things like that
< 1547819434 925841 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I vaguely remember that term, but I don't think it's commonly used
< 1547819453 631282 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, people usually have the sense to use other ambiguous terms, like "magnitude" or "norm"
< 1547819463 980582 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "length" or "sumsq" or "abs" ...
< 1547819472 590916 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"norm" is the worst by the way
< 1547819489 844207 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"modulus" is just ambiguous, "norm" is ambiguous between two very close meanings
< 1547819499 391832 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "norm" should be at right angles to the original?
< 1547819499 748153 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, "sign" vs "sine" is also bad
< 1547819528 652715 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's a "normal"
< 1547819541 346679 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is fine
< 1547819588 32782 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me embarrassingly long to realise that "normal" in the phrase "normal reaction" (from physics/mechanics) means "at right angles", rather than just "it's normal for things to collide rather than phase through each other"
< 1547819642 425341 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where it comes from? I just sort of accepted that "normal" primarily means in the direction of a gradient, and being orthogonal to a surface or even to a curve is just a secondary meaning from that
< 1547819655 870083 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't care what it has to do with non-maths meanings of "normal"
< 1547819715 280259 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it really means "at right angles", because if you purely want that, you say "orthogonal" instead
< 1547819719 159603 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the normal reaction is at right angles to the plane tangent to the contact point at both objects
< 1547819736 899851 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you assume they have a common tangent plane, otherwise they'd roll rather than slide)
< 1547819739 638877 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, meeting time
< 1547819741 472916 :ais523_!93bcc3b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.177 QUIT :Quit: meeting
< 1547819743 577826 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1547819795 796624 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1547819827 740611 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
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> 1547821891 229747 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Swampie27782 5*  10New user account
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< 1547830137 249481 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
< 1547830489 269759 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1547832376 678171 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1547832408 105882 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what is the lowest number of solo singers you can have for an opera buffo, but this question may be too ill-defined.
< 1547832469 259963 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/buffo/buffa/
< 1547832627 521773 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five solo singers is definitely possible, reached by many operas.
< 1547832638 484930 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four should be possible I think.
< 1547832918 328883 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_(opera) by Donizetti apparently has three
< 1547833044 570865 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just two solo singers probably requires some creative rules abuse.
< 1547833158 263294 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betly also has three apparently
< 1547833225 857151 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :opera buffalo.
< 1547833306 479165 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1547833661 946539 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait
< 1547833731 267052 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Pigmalione is a very short opera (not an opera buffa, but I care about any opera in the wide sense) with two solo singers
< 1547833827 173200 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one solo singer should be very hard even with rule abuse, but who knows
< 1547833912 639040 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Villi by Puccini has three solo singers
< 1547834190 820688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check my dictionary for what "remiss" actually means, since I just used it in a conversation here a few hours ago
< 1547834255 206368 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not exact, but it works
< 1547834965 221028 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1547835587 586948 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1547836307 47999 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, he'll leave the money to himself
< 1547837825 407809 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
> 1547838625 860039 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cthulhu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59288&oldid=59285 5* 03Joshop 5* (+23) 10
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> 1547840241 623269 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07@NUM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59290&oldid=59287 5* 03KrystosTheOverlord 5* (+424) 10
> 1547840533 888944 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59291&oldid=59033 5* 03KrystosTheOverlord 5* (+1) 10
> 1547840545 434970 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59292&oldid=59291 5* 03KrystosTheOverlord 5* (-1) 10
< 1547841438 841424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric
< 1547841438 931908 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host
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< 1547842810 144242 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently AGDQ 2019 has an "orb" meme
< 1547842821 31207 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where they shout "orb" for achievements in every game, not only SMW
< 1547842853 660321 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? orb
< 1547842854 676433 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :orb? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1547843380 598569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't it snowball
< 1547843403 328042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there was one game where they started chanting 'orb' and then in subsequent games when anything vaguely round was involved they'd chant 'orb'
< 1547844233 959536 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1547844270 82299 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm watching the Super Mario Odyssey run, which is not any%, but a much longer category with 350 moons,
< 1547844288 271109 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although admittedly there are some moons in that one too that the crowd skip
< 1547844302 431638 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't keep it up for all 350, occasionally their minds wander off
< 1547844580 166192 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, only 300 moons apparently
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< 1547845538 126229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: fix your google maps api key hth
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< 1547853921 67974 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1547856002 335749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the obsolete "myria-" metric prefix. I think it can still be used for radio frequencies, for example the frequency of the CBC radio in my area is sixty-nine myriahertz. Also, is there a prefix for 10^27 and 10^30? I think there probably should be some (one thing to use is to measure the mass of the Earth, and perhaps other planets; larger units will be needed for stars).
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< 1547866355 508020 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the "computational class" of Deadfish? (or equivalent formal definition to describe what it _is_ in relation to computation, if the answer is not computational)
< 1547866367 59120 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It struck me that Deadfish is probably a good archetype of many 'encoding only' langauges on the wiki, and the Deadfish page says nothing about its class, other than "Unusable for programming", which doesn't feel like a formal category, as there might be many reasons why a language is unusable.
< 1547866416 705335 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently considering the langs '+' (minimal, with no output), and HQ9+ (on the surface 'does more stuff') to be "computationally equivalent" to Deadfish, and in the same category, even though they have surface differences. Any number of other 'encoding' text output only esolangs would also in this class.
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< 1547867773 385724 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sequential logic" ? apparently 
< 1547867847 690635 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Combinational logic" is apparently a Automata class, but Sequential isn't? Sequential Logic seems a better description of these langs' power
< 1547868105 950072 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9+ without the plus is implementable with combinational logic, adding the plus requires sequential logic? Deadfish is implementable with sequential logic, but not combinational.
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> 1547869822 148752 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59294&oldid=58460 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+55) 10/* Variants of deadfish */ update  TC description
< 1547872234 169049 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking for language to describe and distinguish between things that are substantially less powerful than many FSAs. Perhaps Deadfish simply is a FSA, and there is further description required to say more about the computational power of a FSA, or to compare it to other FSA
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< 1547880588 270527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there not the implementation of Deadfish in INTERCAL by now?
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< 1547889333 391484 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning fungot
< 1547889333 876669 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: of the data, and the way to do that. between cutting hours.
< 1547889347 281277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1547889347 341794 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl* youtube
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< 1547889377 411387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv said 1d 13h 17m 36s ago: ah that explains what I’ve seen yesterday about one of the pages; should I correct something in the discussion, then?
< 1547889405 696723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has rather forgot what the discussion was

< 1547889473 740663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that
< 1547889513 613038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell arseniiv not really, we do have a tradition of sometimes using "subpages" in the main space even if they're technically not.
< 1547889513 958252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1547889767 172868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if Areallycoolusername is really a different person from A, i first thought no, but the e seems to be going to a lot of effort to not edit the same pages with both nicks
< 1547889775 624026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but then
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> 1547890639 401105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02QETAN10]]": Author request: content was: "delete this [[User:Cortex|Cortex]] ([[User talk:Cortex|talk]]) 00:20, 18 January 2019 (UTC)", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Cortex|Cortex]]" ([[User talk:Cortex|talk]])
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< 1547891380 250601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i just see ais523 has the same suspicion that they're the same
< 1547891428 852063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 i've assumed Areallycoolusername was A almost from the start, but lately e's putting in so much effort to use both while not confusing them that i was starting to wonder...
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> 1547892021 373032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07+-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59297&oldid=58590 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-34264) 10Categorize and remove incorrect example. Spec states ASCII output
> 1547893127 487997 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nope.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59298&oldid=59161 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+110) 10Add categories
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< 1547896851 759354 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ehlist
< 1547896852 886731 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehlist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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< 1547900871 611485 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQXa6TkSeH0 Seems to be befunge for sound?
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< 1547908923 281119 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-anveppqvbbupqbyi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah i saw that too, very cool
< 1547908952 797672 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-anveppqvbbupqbyi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized that devine guy has been doing lots of cool stuff for years
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< 1547936877 938458 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, do you like stars?
< 1547936878 308177 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this is a very important one, and the right to a say. the hon. and learned friend the minister for the work he is now undertaking to restore the very modest contribution, to ask when the government have
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< 1547970717 598075 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://stackoverflow.com/a/29700268/
< 1547971017 961064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
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< 1547975312 769728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, now glasm can compile huffed strings.
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< 1547980451 7933 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone going to watch the lunar eclipse tomorrow? (I can’t, it would be under the horizon :( but I’ve seen one of the previous ones with binoculars)
< 1547980537 446175 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cold outside
< 1547980563 558757 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :through the window?
< 1547980595 234314 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it may require a ceiling window :D
< 1547980687 173687 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also way too early
< 1547980696 987384 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and it’s winter now in the northern hemisphere, where the eclipse would be observable primarily, so, well, if anyone ever had a ceiling window, it would be probably obscured by snow or cloudy weather...
< 1547980745 506056 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, a very uncomfortable eclipse. The one I watched was in the evening
< 1547980761 123071 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also close to the horizon so yay window
< 1547980774 36092 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :no going outside
< 1547980816 344629 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we have a pretty bad luck about total *solar* eclipses though. I want the sky to dim, but it doesn’t
< 1547980846 817305 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it does, in my case it’s night time anyway
< 1547980858 390893 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may actually be obscured by mountains around here... though that's unclear (the Innsbruck valley is aligned in the E-W direction so it may actually work out fine)
< 1547980887 546660 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, mountains
< 1547980891 700534 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my window is on the wrong side. and then there would be more buildings... so stepping outside would definitely be required.
< 1547980908 872342 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1547980947 386774 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have a couple more hours to make a decision. :P
< 1547981189 176488 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous summer I found a neat place to watch stars and something, it was almost perfectly flat in all directions and had the less obstructed horizon I’ve seen. Alas, it’s too far from the place I live, from the place I was at at the time, and I think it’s not easy navigable in winter, so it’s only a dream. Also I didn’t even profit that one time, as it was the early evening and then we had to go
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< 1547983921 818352 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniic: not watching. lunar eclipses are boring, and it's not visible here anyway.
< 1547983928 777040 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's visible in the Americas mostly.
< 1547984204 355443 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's incorrect
< 1547984207 462329 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is actually visible here
< 1547984247 668457 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1547984250 626611 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be visible here
> 1547987604 308730 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59316&oldid=59307 5* 03Helen 5* (-508) 10/* Implementation */ Added working implementation
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< 1547989254 86590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it would be visible from our windows, and they're predicting a non-cloudy night, but it's an awkward time to be awake.
< 1547989981 273180 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah, they aren’t that spectacular, but I haven’t sated yet, having properly watched it only once, and it wasn’t too full; the same with solar eclipses, but they also require preparation to not burn the eyes, so...
< 1547990637 494292 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: solar eclipses are much rarer (though admittedly they at least aren't during the night)
< 1547990658 35525 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, feel free to watch it if you want
< 1547990849 878343 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( viewed differently, there's a solar eclipse every night )
< 1547991200 306241 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hehe but I can’t watch this one
< 1547991240 160297 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: surely, I have even read it somewhere as a remark on usefulness of definitions :D
< 1547991330 319835 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway even if I could watch it, it’s timing is bad indeed, I usually sleep in the morning, sometimes all the way up to noon (a bad habit)
< 1547992871 291496 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're in the wrong location for it?
< 1547992902 607745 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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> 1547993929 613000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SPADE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59320 5* 03Swampie27782 5* (+675) 10A deceptively inconvenient programming language
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< 1547994014 432812 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, can you offer me some general advice on when it is good tactics to use villagers against siege weapons when your town is raided?
< 1547994014 805729 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: an fnord us nought. the results of the uk proud study, the hospital encountered, and to some of the actions, or lack of a course, and the services.
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< 1547994197 988119 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-102.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my hon. and learned friend fungot, who may or may not be an Age of Mythology expert, recommends to never use villagers against siege weapons
< 1547994198 143362 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: with the eu charter.
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< 1547994697 305450 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1547994697 395962 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl* youtube
< 1547994703 558933 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god
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< 1547997161 427936 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/AbwayW8.jpg
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< 1548006227 290315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the proper implementation of CancelScript?    scanf(" %*1[Cc]%*1[Aa]%*1[Nn]%*1[Cc]%*1[Ee]%*1[Ll]");
> 1548006502 307170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:CancelScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59330 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+165) 10Implementation in C
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> 1548013239 31594 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hexomnia14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59332 5* 03Cortex 5* (+713) 10Created page with "{{WIP}} '''Hexomnia''' is a language made by [[User:Cortex|]], inspired by [[Insomnia]]. But, instead of reading each character as its (for lack of a better term) ASCII number..."
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< 1548015739 711934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1548035899 184595 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: about CancelScript: in the light of the last trends of Esowiki activity, I feel there’s a need to extract another category weakscripts, in analogy with “Brainfuck derivatives”
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< 1548036822 283085 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it’s unfair I have thought up a weakscript way earlier, and it was a statically typed one, namely a language with a singleton type, function types, and automatic type isomorphism calculation, so essentially just only one type and the one value, and the program is automatically that value and you don’t need to define anything and type inference is absolute. This typing is so complete and elegant that we don’t really need to ad
< 1548036822 407416 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :d something as mundane as Turing-completeness; I named this thing Agua as a transparent nod to Agda and water (as in “water down”—can’t conclude something for English, but in Russian this can be used about a text and has negative connotations such as the text is too long but means not a lot, i. e. because of pseudophilosophical passages or clumsy legalese-like syntax), but it seems the time has gone
< 1548036886 53919 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think singleton-typed weakscript is a really neat idea but I still have scraps of modesty to not flood it to the wiki :D
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< 1548038459 305352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Stuff like CancelScript could also fit with joke language and unusable for programming, but maybe another such category is helpful I don't know.
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< 1548041062 901404 :salpynx!~Mutter@118.149.175.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I'm seriously interested in properly classifying silly languages like `+`, `+-`, `HQ9+`, and `Deadfish`, which might be related to the class of weakscripts (which seems like a good category, if we can come up with a formal, as well as informal, definition.)
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< 1548041328 15329 :salpynx!~Mutter@118.149.175.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like Deadfish, and `+` is a fundamental joke with value > 0
< 1548041723 326516 :salpynx!~Mutter@118.149.175.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been thinking recently that 'unusable for programming' is neither specific nor formal, and if any community is going to bother coming up with formal terminology to compare the lack-of-merit of two different weakscripts, it's the esolang community.
< 1548041990 963402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some are incapable of anything at all, and some can do something but not much.
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< 1548061976 340956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is ambivalent about the brainfuck edit

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< 1548062516 910229 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's justified because Urban Müller wrote it in lower case: "This archive contains the following programs: bfc The compiler for the 'brainfuck' language (240 bytes!)"
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< 1548062629 886592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but iirc he never used it at the beginning of a sentence
< 1548062642 991316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*iirc it's been said that
< 1548062684 331114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in general, words that vary depending on that get capitalized titles
< 1548062728 710259 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he always put it in quotes :P
< 1548062741 750126 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's rename the page... ...or maybe not.
< 1548062747 872182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
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< 1548063731 790928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really love today's xkcd. It probably helps to have seen stuff like https://ambcrypto.com/bitcoin-btc-usd-technical-analysis-bulls-ride-the-prices-out-of-the-immediate-resistance-zone/ before, which I've always found highly amusing.
< 1548063760 665125 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the idea that this constitutes a "technical analysis".
< 1548064134 174682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the \rainbow{blockchain} people take all the technical analysis nonsense with them away from markets that matter, that'll be a positive thing, I guess
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< 1548089009 310402 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell are mac chargers designed to operate at temperatures on the brink of bursting into flame
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< 1548099094 854315 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-191.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, what do you think of the red supermoon?
< 1548099095 138135 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i was not there, there is a much wider, fnord area, after a bill receives its funding, which will no doubt that that is the future,
< 1548099195 102952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was cloudy where we were.
< 1548099214 533708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After an entirely clear day, of course.)
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< 1548099363 959740 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-191.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... so after the bill receives funding, you'll be able to see the eclipse from a larger area? is the bill about a project for speeding up the rotation of Earth?
< 1548099525 631653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's the future.
< 1548099644 723629 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-191.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the eclipse was mostly visible here in Budapest, but I was sleeping so I didn't see it
< 1548100612 507984 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally missed it. -_-
< 1548101084 101488 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized I should have been included let bindings in the definition of Ⅎ, what functional language is it without them?
< 1548101167 628748 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when I tested it writing some code, I really missed let bindings already, but then for some reason have forgotten that
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< 1548104885 4609 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-191.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: don't worry, I've made that mistake once or twice. https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Scripts/Scheme is a small interpreter that has lambdas but no built-in let, which is inconvenient.
< 1548105098 723347 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-191.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: the Wikiplia core language also has no built-in let, only a lambda and a one-level case that deconstructs a top level builtin constructor, but I believe the higher level language implements let using the case primitive and the list primitive (building a temporary list and deconstructing it immediately).
< 1548105214 134425 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-191.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Olvasható (my esolang) sort of has a problem with this too. the theory is that it has a case that you can use to deconstruct as much or as little as you want, so you can use it as a simple let statement, but that's only the theory, in practice the compiler doesn't always compile such case statements to proper let statements.
< 1548105250 410445 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-191.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, the SML backend always emits a case statements, never a let statement. this wouldn't be hard to fix though.
< 1548105281 967796 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-191.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the other interpreter I pointed to could also be fixed to handle let.
< 1548106204 714532 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph rewriting automata are wild.
< 1548106456 945273 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the connection/disconnection rules are interesting. the process for generating new nodes/graphs is equivalent to subdivision: take a node and turn it into 3 nodes. every node has 3 neighbors.
> 1548106668 226431 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hexomnia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59356&oldid=59343 5* 03Cortex 5* (+120) 10
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< 1548107273 712005 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the formalism too much. it makes too many assumptions on the "background". there has to be some space that the rewriting is taking place within.
> 1548107994 465351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:BMO14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59357&oldid=59339 5* 03Cheddarmonk 5* (+219) 10
< 1548108217 336178 :jeb!~jeb@cpe-70-114-230-252.austin.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know where i can find a fresh interpreter for snowflake?
< 1548108357 321596 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can do lambda calculus as graph rewriting
< 1548109866 662874 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can.
> 1548110042 541996 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0711CORTLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59358&oldid=59300 5* 03Cortex 5* (+124) 10
< 1548110348 445831 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm partial to things with a fixed background, or formalisms that can either be tied to a fixed background or a dynamic one.
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< 1548113078 528734 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1152: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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> 1548120545 160137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59359&oldid=59345 5* 03Ais523 5* (+104) 10Undo revision 59345 by [[Special:Contributions/Oerjan|Oerjan]] ([[User talk:Oerjan|talk]]): it's talking about the user''name'', not the user''page''
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> 1548123053 124898 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unified HQ9+14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59360 5* 03Cortex 5* (+1845) 10Created page with "'''Unified HQ9+''' is a language made by [[User:Cortex|]] to unify all HQ9+ variants. It includes commands from just about every HQ9+ variant [[User:Cortex|Quine]] could find,..."
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< 1548126099 183001 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :cellular automata on complete graphs correspond directly to something like multiset rewriting or counter machines.
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< 1548136136 429541 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two ways to define a cellular automaton to me: one that specifies rewrite rules for different neighborhoods over some kind of topology, and one that defines these neighborhoods without mentioning any specific spatial arrangement of cell states.
< 1548136185 206333 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the difference between saying "This cell is in state 1 if the north cell is in state 0, the south cell is in state 1, the east cell is in state 0, and the west cell is in state 1" and "This cell is in state 1 if at least 2 of its neighbors are in state 1."
< 1548136285 825957 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are areas where these two styles of definition break down. one in particular is cellular automata defined over complete graphs. the idea of rewrite rules breaks down because the neighborhood for a given cell in a complete graph is the rest of the graph, i.e every other node.
< 1548136319 583756 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ruleset would be _giant_ for even moderately sized complete graphs.
< 1548136371 548770 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these problems go away if you use the other definition method. if you do that, the entire system is reduced to something like multiset rewriting, or counter automata.
< 1548136455 747228 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :your ruleset is reduced to "how many of my neighbors are in these states", vs. "is anybody near me in these specific positions in this state."
< 1548136595 2208 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I start pondering what's more "fundamental" at this point. if we assume a totally connected neighborhood, we throw out any assumption of any "place" in space being further than any other place: anywhere's just one hop away, no matter what.
< 1548136689 28201 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you arrive at multiset rewriting/counter automata just by a reduction (or rather, explosion) of a traditional cellular automaton, there should be something to that.
< 1548136827 557183 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :petri nets seem to be calling out to me.
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< 1548144811 374610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :About "Unwinnable by Design" on the All The Tropes wiki (which mentions zarf's cruelty scale), for "Paranoia" it mentions "even if the GM can't think of a way to succeed, throw it at them anyway, they might come up with something"; I think it is a good idea (not only for Paranoia, but for other systems too). Otherwise, the game is too easy, isn't it?
< 1548145050 195131 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tvtropes
< 1548145051 292966 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll write about TVTropes here, we just have to finish these tabs first.
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< 1548146783 649100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 220820Z 09005KT CAVOK M12/M14 Q1006 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 14011KT
< 1548146786 933365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrr
< 1548148807 361446 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1548148807 996201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 220850Z VRB01KT CAVOK M04/M09 Q1012 R08/19//95 NOSIG
< 1548148812 920995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, you win.
< 1548149077 430716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar koak
< 1548149078 25359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 220853Z 00000KT 10SM CLR 09/04 A3034 RMK AO2 SLP272 T00940044 51008
< 1548149361 214543 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548149874 533882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if durkon hasn't had proper beer for 20 years he should be careful with it...
< 1548149952 974754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although there'll be plenty of humor opportunities if he's not)
< 1548150071 913548 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should look at what the hell these meta ourputs mean sometime
< 1548150639 987611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? metar
< 1548150641 274086 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :metar is a service Taneb invented that allows nerds to talk about the weather.
> 1548151156 737363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:General disclaimer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59371&oldid=59367 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10WARNING: This formatting is broken.
< 1548151240 789128 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another tanebvention. okay
< 1548151349 414171 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's really getting out of hand I'm afraid
< 1548151587 125491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Oh, you invented METAR?
< 1548151611 54594 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it would seem so!
< 1548151631 613699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell imode The second kind of CA you mention is called "totalistic" iirc.
< 1548151632 16089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1548151641 529751 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't remember the big inventors. edison, newton, tesla, taneb, ...
< 1548151907 456926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell imode for two-valued cells, anyway, there might be more than one way to define it if there are more values.
< 1548151907 771511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1548152003 932296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :2019 IOCCC ends March 15th -- http://www.ioccc.org/2019/rules.txt | Welcome to the international corncob for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf
< 1548152029 628207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure news items should be first if anyone's going to see them
< 1548153511 93477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :topics are written, never read hth
< 1548153705 372683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh
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> 1548156632 411987 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Weirdlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59372&oldid=58984 5* 03Weirdlang 5* (+5) 10
< 1548158346 468610 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you encode your data into folds in one direction, you could use a shredder as a photocopier
< 1548158541 115807 :SubstheTechnoman!b75213db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.183.82.19.219 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548158619 155291 :SubstheTechnoman!b75213db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.183.82.19.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cls
< 1548158674 554099 :SubstheTechnoman!b75213db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.183.82.19.219 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1548158928 391225 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548159027 286121 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yeah, they're in a bit of a cryptic format with lots of extensions and freedom in it. I believe the "09005KT" means wind from the direction of 90 degrees (East), with speed of 05 knots, both numbers in decimal;
< 1548159055 919612 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1548159072 560691 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My problem with metar is I can never remember my nearest airport's IATA code
< 1548159079 959672 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to look at cryptic commands from some GDS recently, those are as horrible
< 1548159082 413825 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOSIG means something about good visibility in visible light spectrum and lack of certain kinds of clouds, Q1012 is barometric pressure,
< 1548159084 698974 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGSC apparently
< 1548159090 591547 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGSC
< 1548159091 278208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGSC 221150Z 26009KT 9999 FEW030 05/00 Q1001
< 1548159115 280820 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LHBP
< 1548159115 721765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LHBP 221200Z 06005KT 020V110 7000 SCT040 BKN120 M03/M06 Q1014 NOSIG
< 1548159133 999029 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought airports are three-lettered?
< 1548159139 378034 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jcqnbftwnurdordo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1548159141 463573 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: that's a different code
< 1548159150 411782 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1548159153 563366 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I had the names backwards
< 1548159159 86957 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IATA is 3 letters, ICAO is 4
< 1548159167 586921 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the "Q1012" means that the equivalent barometric pressure at sea level is 101200 Pa,
< 1548159230 20893 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAO_airport_code#ICAO_codes_vs._IATA_codes
< 1548159236 36850 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "M03/" is the temperature, the "221200Z" is an incomplete timestamp of the observation meaning ---22T12:00 UTC, with the year and month unspecified but hopefully close to the current date
< 1548159267 384694 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "M03/" is air temperature of -03 deg C
< 1548159318 224480 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "/M06" means the dew point (the temperature at which the air couldn't hold all the water it has in gas form) is -06 degrees C
< 1548159328 688961 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "LHBP" at the start is the location of course
< 1548159347 37280 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some other variable parts of the metar too, but I don't really know how they work
< 1548159362 304594 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548159804 147286 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the "SCT040 BKN210" is also about the clouds
< 1548159845 444776 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"020V110" is additional info about the wind
< 1548159935 835339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOSIG is just "NO SIGnificant changes expected in the near term"
< 1548159942 147759 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1548159954 631796 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which code says that it's not raining?
< 1548159958 533507 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not snowing
< 1548159963 552148 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :precipitation that is
< 1548159965 44068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lack of "RA" or "SN" anywhere.
< 1548159972 841516 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1548160008 664628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can also be -RA or +RA for little rain or heavy rain, respectively.)
< 1548160010 789035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1548160011 399812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 221220Z AUTO 27008KT 9999 NCD 06/02 Q1002 NOSIG
< 1548160025 70522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heathrow METARs are always so short.
< 1548160035 713482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But at least it's a nice day.)
< 1548160058 962104 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the 9999 mean?
< 1548160059 4845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFHK
< 1548160059 767508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 221220Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW047 SCT200 M18/M19 Q1014 NOSIG
< 1548160064 943875 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that command also work with iata codes?
< 1548160067 19142 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visibility?
< 1548160074 2233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That's the visibility thing, yes.
< 1548160075 661705 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no, there's not always a nice correspondence
< 1548160088 387205 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad
< 1548160093 933255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: You can look up the corresponding ICAO code with `iata though.
< 1548160095 736010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`iata HEL
< 1548160096 583785 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helsinki Vantaa (HEL, EFHK)
< 1548160106 587190 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`iata BER
< 1548160107 506478 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Berlin Brandenburg Willy Brandt (BER, EDDB)
< 1548160117 29127 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1548160118 655854 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either code for Cambridge
< 1548160126 368459 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EDDB
< 1548160127 9187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDDB 221220Z 17006KT CAVOK M00/M05 Q1012 NOSIG
< 1548160131 262459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Well, `airport searches all the fields, including the name.
< 1548160133 560086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`airport cambridge
< 1548160134 396074 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cambridge Bay (YCB, CYCB) \ Cambridge (CBG, EGSC) \ Cambridge Municipal Airport (CDI, ?)
< 1548160144 68026 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, nice
< 1548160151 422206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's quite a few steps to go for your weather.
< 1548160151 544445 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cambridge is an international airport with no flights
< 1548160397 359810 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I should buy an indoor/outdoor thermometer for home.  I'll have some difficulty to place the outdoor sensor properly, but it'll still be better than nothing.
< 1548160502 291604 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there a command that takes the IATA code as input and tells the timezone used for that airport in commercial passenger airport tickets?
< 1548160534 37423 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a database of such timezone assignments external to HackEso somewherE?
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< 1548161384 415313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas The share/airports.dat file used by `airport and friends -- from https://openflights.org/data.html -- has the timezone in the 10th column, though the HackEso commands don't use it at the moment.
< 1548161384 886469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1548161600 453114 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1548161615 34616 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1548161781 456023 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note: Rules for daylight savings time change from year to year and from country to country. The current data is an approximation for 2009, built on a country level. Most airports in DST-less regions in countries that generally observe DST (eg. AL, HI in the USA, NT, QL in Australia, parts of Canada) are marked incorrectly." hmm
< 1548161787 225421 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically they don't really know for sure either
< 1548161788 814957 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1548161914 496767 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fucking typical
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< 1548163255 271101 :ais523_!93bcc3b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.176 NICK :ais523
< 1548163257 282499 :ais523!93bcc3b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1548163257 770749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 3d 3h 30m 29s ago: i've assumed Areallycoolusername was A almost from the start, but lately e's putting in so much effort to use both while not confusing them that i was starting to
< 1548163257 810233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder...
< 1548163273 119308 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1548163285 323322 :ais523!93bcc3b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.176 NICK :ais523_
< 1548163337 10788 :ais523_!93bcc3b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi wob_jonas
> 1548163825 917364 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Blindfolded Arithmetic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59373&oldid=58810 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (-25) 10not output only, it has input
> 1548164100 776343 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Unified HQ9+14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59374 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+832) 10how to HQ9++
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< 1548166179 714280 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe, I just found a list I made in 2007, when M:tG only had five 2/2 vanilla creature cards for 1G (counting by different English names), and five 3/3 vanilla creature cards for 3R. Now it has eight of each.
< 1548166583 688937 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly one of the three new 2/2 vanillas for 1G is an elf, which could perhaps be more useful than yet another bear.
< 1548166629 49020 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably still wouldn't use it, beacuse Elvish Warrior is just so much more useful, and there isn't a lack of good small elves.
< 1548166662 753964 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it's at least more interesting than the bears.
< 1548166856 156872 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The five vanilla bears are because three of them come from Portal and Ice Age, which didn't have reprints for historical reasons, and then they made Runeclaw Bear for a core set with the official excuse that they wanted all creatures to have fantasy names, not the name of real animals.
> 1548167585 17240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Iterating quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59375&oldid=59354 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+3667) 10some advice on constructing these (and why they're less impressive than they look)
> 1548167665 65884 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Iterating quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59376&oldid=59375 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+1) 10/* Constructing an iterating quine */ grammar
< 1548168020 544921 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I inspired ais to write an article
< 1548168195 155708 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again
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< 1548176695 204708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I'm fed up of people thinking that iterating quines are more impressive than normal quines
< 1548176851 398379 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're exactly as hard but you need to know two languages
< 1548176913 974068 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I guess they're marginally more impressive?
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< 1548177584 631377 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they may actually be easier (A Perl -> Brainfuck -> Perl quine is easier than a Brainfuck quine, since one can use a trivial string -> brainfuck converter rather than brainfuck code that somehow replicates its own data section)
< 1548177612 579684 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but harder than a perl quine
< 1548177626 716081 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, slightly
< 1548177627 961226 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you need to know enough brainfuck or string to brainfuck converters
< 1548177640 86761 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's slightly harder than the easiest language
< 1548177658 431253 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least the "seed" language
< 1548177661 502762 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that was my point, basically
< 1548177664 334196 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not enough to really be worth it
< 1548177826 172810 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said I find the 100+ language one impressive... not in principle, but the fact that it fits into 16kb.
< 1548177848 697471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I suspect that some of the intermediate programs are much larger.
< 1548177851 835856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
> 1548177864 308293 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Fuckfukc 5*  10New user account
> 1548177949 396080 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59377&oldid=59364 5* 03Fuckfukc 5* (+212) 10/* Introductions */
> 1548178027 123934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59378&oldid=59341 5* 03Fuckfukc 5* (-38308) 10Replaced content with "this is a brainfuck clone so it doesnt deserve a page"
< 1548178328 663394 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
> 1548178425 477656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59379&oldid=59378 5* 03Int-e 5* (+38308) 10Undo revision 59378 by [[Special:Contributions/Fuckfukc|Fuckfukc]] ([[User talk:Fuckfukc|talk]]) ... this is the original, not a clone.
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< 1548178567 187518 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi, im very interested in esolangs and have created many turing complete simple esolangs, all tape based with 8 instructions" <-- this is a cute introduction though ...
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> 1548178744 163244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric programming language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59383&oldid=59382 5* 03Int-e 5* (+4414) 10Undo revision 59382 by [[Special:Contributions/FuckfukcFuckfukc|FuckfukcFuckfukc]] ([[User talk:FuckfukcFuckfukc|talk]]) undo vandalism
< 1548178797 583604 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this may be worthy of your attention (or possibly fizzie's of the people I can see around)
< 1548178803 727253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm already on it
> 1548178819 149712 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10blocked [[02User:FuckfukcFuckfukc10]] with an expiration time of 1 week (account creation disabled): Inserting nonsense/gibberish into pages
< 1548178840 678118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost blocked you by mistake, the buttons to block the person who made the original edit and the person who made the revert are right next to each other
< 1548178860 825793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. But I think I'd survive that :)
< 1548178901 997325 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: note that they have two users
> 1548179004 552303 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10blocked [[02User:Fuckfukc10]] with an expiration time of indefinite (autoblock disabled): alternate account of blocked [[User:FuckfukcFuckfukc]]
< 1548179016 801613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: was checking it was only two (but as far as I can tell, it is)
> 1548179045 94658 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59384&oldid=59380 5* 03Ais523 5* (-1356) 10Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/FuckfukcFuckfukc|FuckfukcFuckfukc]] ([[User talk:FuckfukcFuckfukc|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Fuckfukc|Fuckfukc]]
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< 1548179272 280971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by "right next to" I mean on opposite sides of the screen in the same position, so that they're mentally next to each other rather than physically next to each other)
< 1548179307 441718 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay for bad UI design.
< 1548179323 568596 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I understand. the impressive part might be installing interpreters for all those 120 or so languages. they don't seem to be chosen in such a way as to be easy to install interpreters, eg. they aren't esolangs with a 2K long reference interpreter in perl and nothing else.
< 1548179343 723324 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, I know the quines themselves aren't hard to construct
< 1548179354 212195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIO is more impressive on that basis
< 1548179425 142590 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "TIO"?
< 1548179433 507089 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is a malbolge quine.
< 1548179448 101793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: https://tio.run/
< 1548179470 151422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has links with the esolang community among a few different axes
< 1548179481 933064 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that online interpreter
< 1548179484 659676 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is impressive
< 1548179544 52160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose I knew about the Malbolge prime once upon a time, but I had forgotten. The connection to the discussion above is that a Brainfuck->Malbolge->Brainfuck cyclic quine would be far less impressive.)
< 1548179570 39629 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? prime
< 1548179571 246386 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1548179578 796048 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password
< 1548179580 211249 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is "overreachtorridbittenmandible".
< 1548179584 344001 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahright
< 1548179593 119676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the password of the month actually do anything?
< 1548179609 734426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( The primes of the year are 3 and 673. )
< 1548179625 788075 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's usually changed once per month by somebody...
< 1548179635 117351 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean this particular one?
< 1548179644 790635 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not as far as I know. I was wondering if there's a joke language where programs only work if they contain a current or recent password of the month in the source code, as a parody to requiring a monthly license to run the program.
< 1548179646 739441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas set it, I think.
< 1548179649 505157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I mean, does it have any use? despite changing once per month
< 1548179666 329422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if it was some sort of CAPTCHA to something
< 1548179667 170965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you're ever struggling to find a password...
< 1548179673 485871 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I set this one
< 1548179684 240225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you can find one here that you should definitely not use.
< 1548179690 67745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've considered creating an esolang whose specification requires sending me money in order to run programs (if you didn't do so, the programs would still work, you'd just be violating the specification)
< 1548179700 565339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a parody of paid/commercial languages
< 1548179702 811569 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1548179716 362596 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So, no, there's no real purpose.
< 1548179725 518338 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me
< 1548179732 761096 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beyond a little entertainment, obviously.
< 1548179764 831337 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't that called the Ethereum VM? :P
< 1548179790 240407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in Ethereum there's an actual practical reason for paying for cycles
< 1548179800 480523 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the K programming language has a license where if you buy a K license, then you're allowed to distribute K programs with the K interpreter executable bundled with it (they provide some sort of tool for that I assume), but only if the program doesn't expose the K interpreter itself in a form usable to the users
< 1548179806 487290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I noted a while ago that Ethereum has become the world's biggest nomic, and most successful codenomic)
< 1548179831 225983 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tricky part in this is that K is an essentially interpreted language, so it's easy to write a program that accidentally exposes the K interpreter
< 1548179848 80021 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually have to be careful if you want to write a program that doesn't expose it, in a security way, and the K language doesn't help you in this
< 1548179860 354198 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wonder, is it possible to make an esolang that has even more of this property,
< 1548179869 856546 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you're still paying for running code that serves no real purpose  )
< 1548179885 348830 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, one where it's hard to write programs that can't be used as a complete interpreter for the language, but for some interesting reason,
< 1548179893 742459 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whom am I kidding...) 
< 1548179909 209147 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a trivial reason like how metafont doesn't have a primitive to parse an integer, and Knuth recommends that you use the eval primitive to do that
< 1548179985 61817 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I should write that quine suite thing for the PCG challenge too... 
< 1548179985 429327 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so you need plausible deniability if you do expose the interpreter?
< 1548179987 259622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is it possible to write a reverse Muriel, somehow? a language where instead of needing to quine for control flow, you need to write a self-interpreter for control flow?
< 1548179996 524573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that implies a very strange memory model, some sort of streaming system
< 1548179998 75306 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( deniable plausibility )
< 1548180015 944868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is no but I'm going to think about it, because if the answer is yes it'd be really interesting
< 1548180040 48515 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: dunno, the whole thing seems pointless for _distributing executables_, as opposed to, say, running an interactive service on the internet that works with untrusted input
< 1548180097 692253 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: huh? isn't /// the language where you need to write a quine to get control flow?
< 1548180114 544698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Muriel was the original, I think
< 1548180123 962645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but quite a few languages have that property
< 1548180133 890446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Underload is in a weird space, whether it has that property or not depends on how you interpret the spec)
< 1548180136 108492 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Endo's DNA too, only that one is also designed to make it very easy to write a quine
< 1548180496 528763 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see, so Muriel has a built-in quotemeta operator, just like Endo DNA, to make it easier to write a quine, unlike ///
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< 1548184843 805078 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that reminds me of the theoretical problem I saw: imagne a programming language that only has '' qoutes
< 1548184869 372029 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you only have '' tpye quotes it is impossible to output the ' character
< 1548184954 524490 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess you also have to have restrictions on manipulating characters, but it seems easy for a minimalistic language to accidentally have this restriction)
< 1548185097 421210 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: that depends on how the quotes work. in some languages like (at least some dialects of) SQL and pascal, two apostrophes inside a string means an apostrophe. in others, like BASIC, there's just no way to directly write the delimiter inside a string literal.
< 1548185143 233921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: Underload can't output mismatched parentheses for this reason
< 1548185146 975520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no Underload program that prints (
< 1548185212 767953 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, some of those languages also don't allow you to put a newline in a string literal, 
< 1548185230 634964 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even perl doesn't allow you to put an unescaped crlf in a string literal, you have to use backslash escapes or some other construction for that
< 1548185321 574228 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit more complicated than that... the crlf gets translated to an lf before perl even parses the string literal, as if it read the source code in crlf mode (but *DATA in binary mode), but you can call eval directly to skip that step 
< 1548185353 853400 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the evaled code string can have a string literal with unescaped crlf in it
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> 1548214366 186439 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07QuineLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59392&oldid=59391 5* 03KrystosTheOverlord 5* (-17) 10/* QUINELANG */
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> 1548215357 596180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unified HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59394&oldid=59389 5* 03Cortex 5* (+46) 10
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< 1548229880 809884 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, Japan's labor statistics are a cause of a bug on a cobol program, than as described not many people could could debug these days, http://agora-web.jp/archives/2036852.html …
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< 1548247515 527251 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190122.html
< 1548247516 717543 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190122.html: b_jonas
< 1548247631 622108 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20060810.html
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> 1548256955 35105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07QuineLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59401&oldid=59393 5* 03KrystosTheOverlord 5* (+22) 10
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> 1548258148 917796 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alchemist14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59405&oldid=59337 5* 03BMO 5* (+706) 10
> 1548258415 81548 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:BMO14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59406&oldid=59357 5* 03BMO 5* (+250) 10
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< 1548259960 98032 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rlnrhgpmwgmjqsgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :> We discovered a simple motion law for moving and interacting self-propelled particles leading to a self-structuring, self-reproducing and self-sustaining life-like system.
< 1548259962 185153 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rlnrhgpmwgmjqsgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.nature.com/articles/srep37969
< 1548259962 433423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:116: error: parse error on input ‘,’
> 1548265691 775815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mom please get me so me zucchini from sho p14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59407 5* 03Bigmac 5* (+870) 10Created page with "'''mom please get me so me zucchini from sho p''' is an imperative, stack-based work-in-progress esoteric programming language with functional elements, designed by User:Big..."
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< 1548267293 696372 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkapastel: heyyy I just saw that video! I wonder if it's turing complete..
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< 1548271396 324047 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.9.98.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: as we couldn’t have continuous direction changes, the only hope is obviously particles’ real-valued positions, which they maintain when left alone, for some good values of model parameters (like α ∈ πZ the autors mention, or α ∈ πQ, though with small enough denominators to not have to wait too long for a particle to go full circle)
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< 1548271519 602860 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.9.98.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :could one store an arbitrary amount of information in such a particle’s position?.. No idea. It seems unreal enough, though (but maybe I have no imagination for this thing!)
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< 1548271654 407603 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.9.98.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I’ve overgeneralized allowed α values
< 1548271742 690318 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.9.98.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :when α = τZ, a particle goes in one direction all the time and is locally escaping
< 1548271790 84539 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.9.98.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so neither α = πQ is correct, but something something blah blah more or less obvious should be
< 1548271849 117456 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.9.98.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :the particle would trace various polygons, including a 2-gon when α = π as in the article
< 1548271992 350199 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.9.98.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also obviously this 2-gon is the one of smallest “particle-influencing area”, so maybe it’s priveleged, and higher polygons could hypothetically be used to relay the state somewhere far away
< 1548272018 255399 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.9.98.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but for me, still, I don’t believe)
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< 1548279964 865680 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-138.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` wisdom; wisdom
< 1548279967 530891 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​con//Cons are small mammals which, shortly after birth, eat two other mammals. They then live on sunlight and grass, until they are finally removed from existence. \ sense//Sense is the ability to understand things. A person with much sense is called a sensei.
< 1548279971 57136 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-138.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` quote; quote
< 1548279971 954645 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :322)  You make a fist, shake it at the sky, and shout "why, GNU, why?!" -- that is the standard reportig practice. \ 447)  the classic "souls have mass" hypothesis
> 1548280470 359543 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59408&oldid=57480 5* 03Joshop 5* (+1471) 10
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< 1548287306 781844 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey everyone, what's up?
< 1548287316 841017 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been forever since I was a regular here
< 1548287326 596075 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel like I've lived seven lifetimes since then
< 1548287482 632269 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-138.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven lifetimes? wow
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< 1548289913 176157 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should enter the IOCCC this year and get my mojo back
< 1548289932 995743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome kmc
< 1548289934 193373 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1548289942 924288 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like the bar is pretty high for an impressive IOCCC submission these days
< 1548289947 754204 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, I am also pretty high
< 1548289954 189380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see that one recent IOCCC winner?
< 1548289957 584334 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which
< 1548289969 990159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PDP-7 thing
< 1548289984 927401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.ioccc.org/2018/mills/hint.html
< 1548289988 377720 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every now and then I google some random phrase (like "oh god the horping balls") and the #esoteric logs come up and it makes me smile
< 1548290364 340661 :helichopper!~kyle@static-50-53-175-27.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is safe chat for pedestrians?
< 1548290406 6233 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that is pretty impressive
< 1548290686 102146 :helichopper!~kyle@static-50-53-175-27.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my best language is english 
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< 1548291315 188999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Also did you see that 256 byte demo?
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< 1548292019 653499 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
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< 1548308820 171513 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are animes about people who make anime, but what if the anime they are making is the anime they are in
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< 1548309002 298089 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://paste.ee/p/L907w
< 1548309035 192074 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming language i'm working on
< 1548309188 585817 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would appreciate comments
< 1548309892 241010 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello?
< 1548312151 999843 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a virtual machine/assembly language.
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< 1548324727 347934 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`'
< 1548324728 372462 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1269)  (make is an esoteric language)   b_jonas: Most esolangs I've seen have more comprehensive docs than make
< 1548324827 895172 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1548326471 930882 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://paste.ee/p/L907w is this actually esoteric, and, if not, should i rant about it elsewhere?
< 1548326707 931963 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it'd be on-topic enough!
< 1548326760 987886 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a fantasy machine kinda thing?
< 1548326887 186720 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudo-asm
< 1548326936 884171 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreted in c
< 1548326967 794730 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lykaina: unless I'm missing something it doesn't *seem* particularly esoteric
< 1548327079 959981 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it has it's roots in fourfuck (a brainfuck variant i made)?
< 1548327179 431935 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, it no longer resembles fourfuck at all
< 1548327252 749164 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, i don't know where else to talk about it
< 1548327512 525465 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have anybparticular goal?
< 1548327523 332258 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's A-OK to talk about it here but not necessarily to make a wiki article about it?
< 1548327542 454981 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more on topic for the IRC than what we talk about most of the time, anyway
< 1548327551 23614 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luciole: waste time?
< 1548327564 525601 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for me :p
< 1548327574 326408 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that was my thought too
< 1548327735 702875 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have initially misinterpreted Lykaina
< 1548327872 687524 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1548327891 468446 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lykaina: I thought you were talking about making an article about it on the wiki
< 1548327907 793042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is it fully faithful to the IRC channel, though?
< 1548327926 380664 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think we both know I'm not the best at working that sort of thing out
< 1548327965 538816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that wasn't even in this channel
< 1548327979 845392 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :GADR @0004 CIN @0000 COUT @0000 JIE +00 +00 @0004 STOP
< 1548328103 282705 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, i'm not gonna paste the hello world program into chat
< 1548328364 888370 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code i typed here creates an infinite loop where it will forever read a char from input and then write it to output
< 1548328474 853805 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :"JIE +00 +00 @0004" would be equal to "JUMP @0004" if I had a JUMP op
< 1548328905 400860 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, if i had remembered to implement LJUMP, i could have just done: CIN @0000 COUT @0000 LJUMP x00 x00 x00 x00 STOP
< 1548329175 256588 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this make sense?
> 1548331089 667311 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:BMO14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59409&oldid=59406 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+43) 10unsigned
> 1548331124 707708 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:BMO14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59410&oldid=59409 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10oops
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> 1548341983 881975 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bigmac14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59411&oldid=59348 5* 03Bigmac 5* (+80) 10
> 1548342012 35464 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bigmac14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59412&oldid=59411 5* 03Bigmac 5* (+44) 10
> 1548342055 821942 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bigmac14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59413&oldid=59412 5* 03Bigmac 5* (+0) 10
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> 1548343056 945731 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mom please get me so me zucchini from sho p14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59414&oldid=59407 5* 03Bigmac 5* (+138) 10
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> 1548345757 549031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59415&oldid=58527 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+14529) 10
> 1548345766 40911 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59416&oldid=59415 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (-14529) 10Blanked the page
> 1548345855 577182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59417&oldid=59416 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+14532) 10
> 1548345864 74831 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59418&oldid=59417 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (-14532) 10Blanked the page
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< 1548348993 175514 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golomb_ruler
< 1548352432 181948 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548352707 969722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548353606 843098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1548353729 881555 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` wisdom;wisdom
< 1548353730 952906 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​it//It would have been certainly so, but `8ball refused to coöperate. \ farbfeld//zzo38's Farbfeld utilities is a package of command-line programs (with rather strange command-line syntax) for manipulating images in a specific raw format called farbfeld. It's somewhat underdocumented. http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/home
< 1548353732 594025 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` quote;quote
< 1548353733 399674 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :721)  ais523: well, Dylan said "hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows", and then Lawlabee said "'cuz it's pretty awesome."   Except that by "it", Lawlabee was referring to something entirely different.   So when I added that quote, Lawlabee emotifrowned. \ 456)  like i could ask how many "petals" are there on each of the "flowers" on this coffee mug i just made a drink with   but that would be NP hard I think
< 1548354202 368285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man itidus20
< 1548354205 66876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :now there was a dude
< 1548354412 959666 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548354583 732903 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello PH
< 1548355252 89573 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there certainly was
< 1548355942 682065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmchi
< 1548356011 203323 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1548356040 256743 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kmχ?
< 1548356096 375934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello kmc
< 1548356228 301980 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1548356610 777864 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new?
< 1548357053 498404 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548357056 435092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( that's a pretty wide question )
< 1548357075 841985 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1548357083 465354 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been here forever
< 1548357088 49387 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in forever*
< 1548357114 572188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fizzie runs the wiki now
< 1548357141 906403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i just featured the first new language in 5 years.
< 1548357155 826289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did we even have featured languages last you were here
< 1548357166 742142 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do there exist double credit cards, where two credit cards are put on the same credit-card sized physical card, and you choose from them by rotating it 180 degrees?
< 1548357190 988421 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1548357194 358433 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 
< 1548357196 463489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ais523 and i proved brainfuck is TC with only four brackets in the whole program, that's pretty new
< 1548357216 239087 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two pairs of brackets, yeah
< 1548357262 5856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there have been some other similar proofs not that long ago, like nesting depth of 2)
< 1548357313 103309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the four brackets require bignums, the nesting depth doesn't (and perhaps requires infinite tape, i don't quite remember)
< 1548357356 80458 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't require bignums then it must require infinite tape I think
< 1548357369 294670 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nice
< 1548357381 332438 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the construction work?
< 1548357383 602760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are a heap of new wiki users, a lot coming from PPCG on stackexchange (and most of them don't come here)
< 1548357437 183242 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the wiki is used as a buffer for a lot of useless nonsense cwritten now, so it's harder to find interesting pages
< 1548357454 147527 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :best to listen here for what's mentioned
< 1548357459 911299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hm right. i just remember vaguely that i wanted a version that used bignums but finite tape, which i guess the most recent result provides
< 1548357485 571747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were also some reversible brainfuck stuffs
< 1548357525 168907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the four bracket thing uses ais523's The Waterfall Model language and compiles it into bf
< 1548357541 653780 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Trajedy is almost 2 years old.
< 1548357554 297690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we haven't written up the most simplified version anywhere yet, unless you read irc logs
< 1548357594 331207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my PPCG post is https://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/102363/how-many-pairs-of-brackets-are-sufficient-to-make-brainfuck-turing-complete/102500#102500
< 1548357646 725864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the non-written up thing makes away with all the fallback cells except two
< 1548357661 110189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the modulus requirements
< 1548357682 463202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although we can add _new_ modulus requirements to ensure cells stay non-negative)
< 1548357850 652390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that's not actually PPCG.
< 1548357885 427335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a cs.SE question that came about because people in PPCG chat wondered if esolangs would be on-topic there
< 1548357894 837194 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPCG?
< 1548357919 219060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming puzzles and code golf, codegolf.stackexchange.com
< 1548357951 21114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of recent code golf related esolangs come from there
< 1548357961 985989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, that community)
< 1548357966 855290 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1548358011 326970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually have a community ad for the esolang wiki
< 1548358029 17062 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1548358092 517570 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh? so it was posted by PPCG on CS, as a sort of scope expanding experiment or invasion? nice
< 1548358104 594152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: pretty much
< 1548358270 403360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trajedy was nice too, a geometric esolang that turned out to be TC in an unexpected (or at least unexpectedly complicated) way
< 1548358369 235005 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1548358397 621800 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one of the things that made Trajedy great is that Jafet's interpreter could produce pretty diagrams.
< 1548358445 827725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the depth two nesting proof is at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_minus_-#Depth_two_nesting
< 1548358460 376174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it also uses no - commands)
< 1548358693 124591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it came about almost as a corollary of me proving Home Row TC, that's a language that's a bit brainfuck-derivative-like but manages to hit a sweet spot of being awkward in just the right way
< 1548358768 389743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait, that's not a very new language, although i guess we rediscovered it
< 1548358801 588053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right it was because of User:A
< 1548358822 53121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidentally causing something worthwhile
< 1548358825 209651 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1548358848 49839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e's responsible for most of the crap pages b_jonas complains about)
< 1548358899 87979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, e made a wrong TC proof (one of several), ais523 reverted it, and i then got to thinking about how to do a proper one.
< 1548358994 146171 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no
< 1548359009 788594 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap pages startes before A
< 1548359015 610486 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is just a small poaryt
< 1548359028 220725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1548359104 646492 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 
< 1548359113 304535 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically it depends on how many users are A's aliases
< 1548359125 293105 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A and Iamcalledbob are notorious because he alone has posted many
< 1548359125 332895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the wat was for that misspelling)
< 1548359142 617511 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there have been a lot of users creating just one or two bad pages
< 1548359147 228242 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wandering here
< 1548359152 842990 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/poaryt/part
< 1548359152 882575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1548359230 512682 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's usually people who don't seem to know much about non-esotertic programming
< 1548359356 995131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose. i don't actually bother to look at many pages that are edited by just one user.
< 1548359370 529101 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? not even if that one user is ais?
< 1548359385 750203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said _many_, not _any_
< 1548359396 92102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that "one new user"
> 1548359403 787930 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mom please get me so me zucchini from sho p14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59419&oldid=59414 5* 03Bigmac 5* (-3) 10
< 1548359432 591739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( slightly tempted by that one )
< 1548359474 675130 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it was right on cue
< 1548359504 266403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, i already saw it but it's just a stub
< 1548359547 867495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :disclosure: sometimes i don't read ais523's pages either because his prose is too dense for my brain
< 1548359594 487147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have noticed i like to use bullet points when i write myself.
< 1548359614 690037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is somewhat ironic since i've never actually used powerpoint
< 1548359620 496008 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is that covered under "minor compaction"?
< 1548359622 289884 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1548359623 508873 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnidryad saddle principal ideal golfing toe-obsessed "Darth Ook" oerjan the shifty evil grinch is a punctual expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
< 1548359663 733832 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also who needs powerpoint when there's \begin{itemize}?
< 1548359672 832011 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++
< 1548359676 884803 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beamer mode 4 lyfe
< 1548359765 185609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding that, that cs.SE post was the first time i've written significant tex in years
< 1548359794 496120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although only for the actual math
< 1548361329 42607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, new featured language
< 1548361351 899775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta feature it in the topic so people will see.
< 1548361998 442996 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-111.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1548362279 684718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like Trajedy.
< 1548362914 817199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes arseniiv in the logs pondering some particle stuff in a way that sounds suspiciously like trajedy

< 1548363123 104104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beamer + TikZ is tg
< 1548363152 784980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did all my slides with that when I was TAing some machine learning stuff at university.
< 1548363526 998690 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no no it was a dynamic system linked by xkapastel, search for “We discovered a simple motion law” a bit earlier
< 1548365084 549077 :LKoen!~LKoen@crh60-h01-176-151-31-205.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1548365472 921229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: i know it wasn't trajedy, but your ponderings sounded similar to how trajedy is TC
< 1548365633 707005 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I figured you didn’t think it wasn’t trajedy, but it seemed to be useful to point out what exactly it was and why these questions. :) Actually, it was imode who asked about TCness :D I still doubt it, albeit I didn’t put new thought into that
< 1548365673 734651 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it wasn’t/it was
< 1548365756 847507 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah darn I missed the original context of why you mentioned that thing at all :D
< 1548365778 152655 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
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> 1548371669 520461 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0711CORTLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59420&oldid=59358 5* 03Cortex 5* (+135) 10
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< 1548386485 114098 :dauie_!~dauie@64.62.224.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, All. Does anyone here have experience with packet_mmap by chance?
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< 1548391337 317325 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. I'm making a pseudo-asm language I call "Echidna".
< 1548391344 511758 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://paste.ee/p/chEag
< 1548391348 598924 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think?
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< 1548391736 159958 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i in the right channel?
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< 1548392102 614990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? #esoteric
< 1548392103 621114 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's a 7-codimensional hyperenchilada about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. Currently located in the Atlantis Exclusion Zone.
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< 1548392283 272509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lykaina: I think so, but it isn't very active this time of day
< 1548392292 975068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many esolangers are European, and it's about 5am UTC
< 1548392326 911301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any particular goal with your asm, or is this just for practice?
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< 1548392430 284467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this channel tends to be a mix of ontopic and offtopic discussion, I prefer the ontopic discussion but not everyone does
< 1548392731 517732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an esolang based on string diagrams or some 2-categorical thing like that?
< 1548392740 274932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe just a monoidal categories.
< 1548392743 388571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a //
< 1548392751 771037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traced symmetric monoidal categories or whatever.
< 1548392759 834714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some kind of data flow language? I don't know.
> 1548392813 480790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59421&oldid=59408 5* 03Ais523 5* (+595) 10/* Loop minimalizations */ expand this a bit
> 1548392858 261147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59422&oldid=59421 5* 03Ais523 5* (-27) 10/* Some considerations */ remove signature line from the artitcle itself; the "anyone can edit" nature of a wiki means that attribution lines tend to get out of date, and the attribution itself is present under the "history" tab
< 1548392896 841652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not sure about /eso/langs, but computer scientists typically try to form categories out of all the programming languages they study
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< 1548392952 9257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1548392972 377703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about: A language that uses index notation to express function application?
< 1548392991 834824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it would be suitable for something like linear logic? I don't know.
> 1548393010 386467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0711CORTLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59423&oldid=59420 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, World! */ fix; you need a leading 1 to prevent the "print character" instruction being interpreted as a literal
< 1548393016 470552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the field is called "denotational semantics"
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< 1548393063 847100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really what I'm talking about.
< 1548393146 555558 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@213.232.192.2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1548393406 921547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just really like index notation, man.
< 1548393419 469102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like it could be used in interesting ways for things other than multilinear algebra.
< 1548393438 739143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not for 2-categories, but some sort of traced symmetric monoidal category or whatever.
< 1548393452 889729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The category talk is a red herring, I think.
> 1548399202 101363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Is anything!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59424 5* 03A 5* (+1398) 10Save first.
> 1548399240 838091 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Is anything!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59425&oldid=59424 5* 03A 5* (-4) 10
> 1548399352 137473 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Is anything!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59426&oldid=59425 5* 03A 5* (+314) 10
> 1548399488 558381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Is anything!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59427&oldid=59426 5* 03A 5* (+12) 10
> 1548399682 467403 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Is anything!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59428&oldid=59427 5* 03A 5* (+151) 10
> 1548400409 623405 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Is anything!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59429&oldid=59428 5* 03A 5* (+758) 10
> 1548400507 327140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Is anything!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59430&oldid=59429 5* 03A 5* (+92) 10/* Conditions */
> 1548400677 111400 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Is anything!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59431&oldid=59430 5* 03A 5* (+1750) 10/* Conditions */
> 1548400739 449166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Is anything!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59432&oldid=59431 5* 03A 5* (-1525) 10/* Example programs */
> 1548400835 676353 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03A 5*  10moved [[02Is anything!10]] to [[M==]]: My programming language is too complicated.
> 1548401011 133771 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07M==14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59435&oldid=59433 5* 03A 5* (-978) 10
> 1548401607 138755 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07M==14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59436&oldid=59435 5* 03A 5* (+132) 10
> 1548401708 337057 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Is anything!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59437&oldid=59434 5* 03A 5* (-17) 10Blanked the page
> 1548401960 277347 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07M==14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59438&oldid=59436 5* 03A 5* (+216) 10a<=b and a>=b
> 1548402031 257582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07M==14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59439&oldid=59438 5* 03A 5* (+68) 10
> 1548402642 734319 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07M==14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59440&oldid=59439 5* 03A 5* (+65) 10
> 1548402675 803772 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07M==14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59441&oldid=59440 5* 03A 5* (-85) 10
< 1548402742 240588 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.235.100 NICK :arseniiv
> 1548402835 242069 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Is anything!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59442&oldid=59437 5* 03A 5* (+143) 10
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< 1548424166 387186 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for v in 200 165 120; do ftoc "$v"; done
< 1548424167 201886 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :200.00°F = 93.33°C165.00°F = 73.89°C120.00°F = 48.89°C
< 1548424174 296702 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey where's the newline?
< 1548424266 580038 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for v in 200 165 120; do ftoc "$v"; done
< 1548424267 509091 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :200.00°F = 93.33°C \ 165.00°F = 73.89°C \ 120.00°F = 48.89°C
< 1548424271 955516 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for v in 200 165 120; do ctof "$v"; done
< 1548424272 801597 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :200.00°C = 392.00°F \ 165.00°C = 329.00°F \ 120.00°C = 248.00°F
< 1548424276 650063 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better
< 1548424343 683653 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have any interest in the asm-like interpreted language i am making in my spare time?
< 1548424353 190390 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://paste.ee/p/chEag
< 1548424377 131698 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can only blame myself for these scripts by the way)
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< 1548425954 135299 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/chromium-extensions/veJy9uAwS00/sVWM72KnGgAJ
< 1548425957 145486 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're making a change to google chrome so misguided and anti-user that *amnesty international* is chiming in
< 1548426113 339242 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is google so shit
< 1548427944 3758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tricky. Besides the obvious (Google is selling ads, so curtailing ad blockers is... tempting), they have other concerns as well. Security is one of them (huh, I didn't even know that the webRequest API can *redirect* requests; that should be fun in the hands of some people... in fact I may have heard of extensions replacing ads by other ones...), or even more trivial issues like battery lifetime...
< 1548427950 5759 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...of their devices.
< 1548428028 382381 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be interesting to see what happens to this proposal after the current public outcry.
< 1548428058 92912 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it worse than when firefox threw away their xul extension api?
< 1548428245 296308 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the ad blocker perspective? Yes, since the functionality is much restricted. The makers of ublock and umatrix have already written that they cannot work with it.
< 1548428344 885614 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me. Can you guys recommend a firefox extension where I can define client-side redirects from URLs to other URLs via some sort of wildcard rules, and I can also easily temporarily disable such a redirect?
< 1548428407 481908 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main fallout from the XPCOM thing is that Flash is finally dead for good. I'm not sure that I've noticed any fallout from the switch from XUL to WebExtension, though I'm sure that plenty of extensions just were not rewritten.
< 1548428433 205661 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't Flash already dead?
< 1548428986 291052 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I have flash installed
< 1548429050 538088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it was lingering on in some niches of the web, and kept being used as part of zombie cookie schemes.
< 1548429066 673358 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: in a way that it works in the browser? or outside of that?
< 1548429145 911185 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used flash for a long time. I do occasionally run some java thingies on my machine, because banks and the tax office depend on it, but these are not in my browser.
< 1548429149 861765 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's obviously not dead outside of the browsers. There's a plethora of games made with Flash, for example in the point&click puzzle adventure games like Machinarium)
< 1548429154 228402 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I have windows set to open .swf and .flv in flash when I download them
< 1548429178 735859 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1548429180 869544 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, they don't show up in the browser correctly but they still work
< 1548429215 936523 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you're right, it's not dead outside browsers
< 1548429961 798748 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: if you want to do a technical comparison: https://developers.chrome.com/extensions/declarativeNetRequest is the new API that is supposed to replace https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/webRequest and the discussion is about the former not being an adequate replacement for the latter in various contexts.
< 1548430259 322403 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIUI, the filters are approximately as powerful as what Adblock+ supports, but even they won't be happy because 30k rules just aren't enough.
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< 1548430373 789610 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, that's my understanding, but the ublock origin devs had some other complaints too
< 1548430560 141192 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ghostery devs on the other hand said they would file an antitrust lawsuit
< 1548430660 380630 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say that I would love to see alphabet chopped into a set of separate companies
< 1548430682 917527 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['A'..'Z']
< 1548430685 146984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ"
< 1548430806 590188 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in particular, there is a huge conflict of interest with Android and google ad network being made by the same company
< 1548430828 899268 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: as in A..I as one company with row 12 punched, then J..R as another company with row 11 punched, then S..Z as a third company with row 10 punched?
< 1548430859 238859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :conflict of interest? https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2000-07-01
> 1548430898 492899 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Esofabrv14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59443 5* 03Esofabrv 5* (+106) 10Created page with "Esofabrv alias fabriboi. [https://github.com/fabrv/bf-interpreter I made a BF interpreter and derivative]."
< 1548430955 387244 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: how is that a conflict of interest? they're both interested in the same thing, showing google ads to the users on phone.
< 1548430972 859276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: did you look at the comic?
< 1548430998 387171 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or perhaps you're mixing me up with orin)
< 1548431008 534178 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah sorry
< 1548431014 5709 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'm replying to orin
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< 1548434204 636109 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1153
< 1548434205 399260 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1153: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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> 1548452733 952571 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zull14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59444 5* 03Cortex 5* (+972) 10Created page with "Zull is a joke esolang made by [[User:Cortex|]] in which all code is implied from context.  == Commands == {| class="wikitable" |- ! Name !! What it does !! Syntax |- | Magic..."
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> 1548466017 135529 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Cortex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59445&oldid=59362 5* 03Cortex 5* (+20) 10
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> 1548485458 14810 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hexsp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59446&oldid=55873 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-25) 10Remove dead-link singleton category
> 1548485586 644633 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Interdemento14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59447&oldid=59262 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-1) 10Fix categories
> 1548487588 65405 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Interdemento14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59448&oldid=59447 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-33) 10Oh, it's not even functional
> 1548488274 548372 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cedar--14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59449&oldid=58922 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+4) 10Remove another dead-link category and categorise
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< 1548488589 842940 :dauie!~dauie@64.62.224.29 NICK :dauie_
< 1548488898 527081 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc is dead
< 1548488900 938221 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live irc
< 1548488948 899423 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hear, hear.
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> 1548489212 619078 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Css Script14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59450&oldid=55411 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+47) 10Better, but probably still incomplete, categories
> 1548489441 791981 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Funge-9814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59451&oldid=56867 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+0) 10Category, other 3D languages are grouped under Multi-dimensional
> 1548490027 229839 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Derpcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59452&oldid=49029 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-2) 10It's Implemented
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< 1548498431 83542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another kind of Chaingate would be Chaingate with Collatz
< 1548498676 71607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If Collatz conjecture is true, then I think it will not be Turing complete, because it is always going to halt.)
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< 1548502553 823735 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/lady-stuff => demon guy is apparently called Bozmodiklax the Vile, and has appeared several times in SMBC
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< 1548502929 460492 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/why-3 and http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/cleric
< 1548503089 844032 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? john
< 1548503091 73738 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :john? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1548503215 802059 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4072 about a different daemon, Hziulquoigmnzhah of Cykranosh, the dread spawn of Cxaxukluth, which is apparently not even originating from SMBC, but from some earlier cthulhu mythology writing
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> 1548504389 596091 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Chaingate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59453&oldid=51201 5* 03Int-e 5* (+1309) 10oops, the language was mentioned on #esoteric and now I have questions...
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< 1548512315 718184 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey people, what’s with https://esolangs.org/wiki/International_Esolang_Design_Competition ? :)
< 1548512402 902806 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also https://esolangs.org/wiki/Incident is ingenious
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< 1548525676 868473 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Incident is one of ais523's languages. the CALESYTA thing was a scam, but it deserves to be documented on the wiki so that we don't fall for such a thing the next time.
< 1548525726 581302 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the only esolang-related scam, BANCStar could be considered similar
< 1548526354 782671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?!
< 1548526361 296069 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang scams?
< 1548526430 853329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened with bancstar
< 1548526653 715463 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: see the wiki
< 1548526727 431653 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so someone said they'd do something and then didn't do it
< 1548526739 973788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't call that a scam unless they tried to get you to pay for the disk lol
< 1548527096 883330 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ah, so that page is in some sense a meta?
< 1548527128 758500 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it’s a name for a yet-to be thing
< 1548527334 635001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: huh what? what page and what meta?
< 1548528558 946721 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Incident
< 1548528566 117988 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not that
< 1548528580 928266 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: https://esolangs.org/wiki/International_Esolang_Design_Competition
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< 1548528767 52420 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: oh, that's probably a different one
< 1548528771 745675 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of https://esolangs.org/wiki/CALESYTA
> 1548528832 354828 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07International Esolang Design Competition14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59454&oldid=43820 5* 03B jonas 5* (+32) 10link CALESYTA
< 1548528951 496046 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to reinvent synthetic life one more time, but all my ideas are too vague or too hard to implement in short time before it becomes tedious
< 1548528972 383551 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :always too tedious
< 1548528993 903648 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or too simplistic to take a real consideration
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< 1548529620 27789 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rodent
< 1548529621 317127 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rodent? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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< 1548530401 826687 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cat
< 1548530405 951016 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats are cool, but should be illegal.
< 1548530412 848944 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1548530427 520693 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1548530428 303135 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​imho//IMHO means "In My Holy Omniscience".
< 1548530827 379492 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :big beats are the best, get high all the time
< 1548532435 614143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: that competition page seems to be just something hppavilion threw out on a whim, and no one caught the ball (well, yet anyway)
< 1548532471 666966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we don't know why they gave up on CALESYTA so we don't know that it's a scam.
> 1548532617 937254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CALESYTA14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59455&oldid=50997 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+4) 10section headings
> 1548532633 367466 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07International Esolang Design Competition14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59456&oldid=59454 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10heading case
< 1548532745 758868 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas> yeah => my cat sends me through her unexistent telepathy that she doesn’t agree
< 1548532788 542650 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah
< 1548532827 728303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just your myxomatosis speaking. wait, that's the wrong disease, never mind.
< 1548532828 66502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ollehrjan
< 1548532845 518841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-evening
< 1548532883 643143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: there were some earlier esolang competitions, at least one of which actually had winners
< 1548532906 603093 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do y’all think a formal competition of this sort could make something to those people posting weakscripts and other highly original entries to the wiki?
< 1548532937 298651 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh I meant make something *good* to them (or not, or not)
< 1548532942 751840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most have failed.
< 1548533006 349114 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s unfortunate
< 1548533011 760341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyway, in my heart Incident won anyway
< 1548533017 469314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anyway)
< 1548533054 369234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately ais523 got some other use out of it on PPCG
< 1548533107 565028 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548533109 460316 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn’t want to seek what the other entries to CALESYTA were, but in absolute scale it’s one of the coolest I have had to know yet, yeah
< 1548533278 678051 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dog
< 1548533279 890968 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dog? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1548533290 442295 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1548533291 826511 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( The less said about them the better? )
< 1548533293 348573 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems there’s no specific need to make competitions as there are small codegolphing challenges all over, maybe for this reasons no one organizes big contests now?
< 1548533327 467311 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fugot, what do you think a dog program should do?
< 1548533334 355929 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a shame
< 1548533353 371003 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you know fugot?
< 1548533354 20228 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: an fnord us nought. the results of the local inquiry concluded that president trump to be prevented, and the way the hon. and learned friend the member for high peak, the use of his knowledge, for scotland, the hon. and learned friend the member for great grimsby, the fnord fish shop.
< 1548533380 333457 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fnord
< 1548533381 475885 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1548533394 501228 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Fnord is fungot's most favorite word.
< 1548533394 721347 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we have not been to a good enough speed-reading course to accomplish. white space system
< 1548533396 617940 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'fnord': Fnord is fungot's most favorite word.
< 1548533409 818197 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I’m sorry to misspell your name, and now I don’t know would you ever answer me in a hearty manner and something something *sobs*
< 1548533410 103899 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: it is the first time the issue of all the issues, and i would be more than happy, and more effort to reform the house of lords,
< 1548533412 895368 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :relearned, hmmm. oh?
< 1548533428 823444 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste wisdom/fungot
< 1548533429 30283 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i have not. samsung, if i have to shift the transport secretary, the hon. member of this house, including
< 1548533429 770945 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/wisdom/fungot
< 1548533477 24394 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was yours, feel free to `revert mine
< 1548533485 856671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was too subtle for me :)
< 1548533486 550230 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1548533522 15608 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548533539 256577 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... it was pretty good too
< 1548533540 395871 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1548533541 437266 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1548533566 370632 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the first time the issue of all the issues, and i would be more than happy, and more effort to reform the house of lords, => darn I feel they haven’t yet really forgiven me inside
< 1548533596 267438 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear fungot, could you ever forgive me, but please tell me the truth
< 1548533596 714555 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: it is a question of the money you are spending 52 uk fnord that they enjoy the high-quality standards of an intervention, of professional services to adequately protect the victim to the approach of the hon. and learned friend the minister for not messing with the fundamentals, with higher education institutions, to be possible,
< 1548533614 327645 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball was that the truth?
< 1548533614 432460 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1548533646 684768 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a question of the money you are spending => it’s not fair at all. Friendship shouldn’t be correlated with money spent
< 1548533834 47672 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…and I bet e. g. lambdabot wouldn’t blackmail me, or at least not so openly
< 1548533915 992637 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run print "yes I won’t"
< 1548533918 61844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1548533928 78029 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@eval print "yes I won’t"
< 1548533942 161397 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@eval "yes I won’t"
< 1548533951 342861 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run "yes I won’t"
< 1548533953 288915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "yes I won\8217t"
< 1548533958 208215 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help eval
< 1548533958 549615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval. Do nothing (perversely)
< 1548533962 359576 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at last
< 1548533968 988344 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "yes I won’t"
< 1548533971 47746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes I won’t
< 1548533982 623654 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat obscure trick :)
< 1548533987 44289 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t text
< 1548533988 394999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Doc
< 1548534016 145597 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I feel I need a lambdabot-specific cheat sheet :D too many commands
< 1548534062 813362 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run and > are the same. :)
< 1548534088 677312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var $ cycle "var is lazier "
< 1548534090 851744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : var is lazier var is lazier var is lazier var is lazier var is lazier var is...
< 1548534093 495069 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're not allowed to use IO so 'print' doesn't work.
< 1548534104 890783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix error
< 1548534107 109232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Ex...
< 1548534120 483598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fnord
< 1548534121 854187 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1548534126 577244 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. makes sense, I guess. Exp is not exactly on my radar :)
< 1548534129 326915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1548534155 361793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl f 0 [1,2,3]
< 1548534157 502389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error:
< 1548534157 541987 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     • Ambiguous type variable ‘a0’ arising from a use of ‘show_M789805931693...
< 1548534157 650415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :       prevents the constraint ‘(Show a0)’ from being solved.
< 1548534160 288080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl f 0 [1,2,3] :: Exp
< 1548534162 191976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error:
< 1548534162 231506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Exp’
< 1548534162 231576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant ‘Expr’ (imported from Debug.SimpleReflect)
< 1548534170 898778 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl f 0 [1,2,3] :: Expr
< 1548534173 117057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : f (f (f 0 1) 2) 3
< 1548534187 113339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So little in fact that I even forgot the proper name of the type.
< 1548534268 245952 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism.
< 1548534536 220526 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix$(0:).scanl(+)1 -- feeling nostalgic
< 1548534538 225700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,...
< 1548534554 576693 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548534687 310426 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1548534833 946591 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1548534863 194117 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548536616 820463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you going to see arcadia in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE twh
< 1548537711 241666 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548538442 623207 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the flavor text of Rotting Legion, zombies have one speed. but then, how can Unstable have a zombie of a different speed?
< 1548538522 482318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is a different plane?
< 1548538560 994018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's possible. I think Unstable is in an entirely new place.
> 1548538846 47467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07@NUM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59457&oldid=59293 5* 03KrystosTheOverlord 5* (+34) 10
< 1548539770 323498 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks. I even feel maybe you already told me something like that a time ago
< 1548540103 278809 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1548540149 636081 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:ac58:efc4:fb49:b58c QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1548540931 600123 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:d96a:5981:90e:b839 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548541119 987507 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1548541314 99229 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: unlikely
< 1548541321 248475 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in Cambridge now
< 1548541482 421488 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548541487 25490 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` wisdom; quote
< 1548541487 513937 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` wisdom; quote
< 1548541488 18867 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​zygohistomorphic prepromorphism//A zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor. \ 508)  oh no, I think we've managed to mix three metaphors in a way that actually makes sense
< 1548541488 588972 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​human//Humans are a species rumored to be a majority in the channel, but evidence seems inconclusive. They are constantly evolving, although not as fast as pokémons. \ 395)  god created the natural numbers, the rationals were done by man and the work was finally completed (topologically) by satan himself
< 1548541511 972370 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1548541513 961174 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` wisdom; quote
< 1548541514 379523 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` wisdom; quote
< 1548541515 23469 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​betty crocker//Betty Crocker is a notorious gambler. \ 559)  When my registrar is emailing me that codu.xxx is available, that's a problem.
< 1548541515 556931 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​thought//. o O ( Why are they asking me what a thought is? ) \ 826)  headache + train with screeching brakes = headache^2   hm..headache + train with no screeching brakes = no head   On the plus side, no headache anymore
< 1548541703 507445 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much weight can my hon. and learned friend lift? is it more than an Unseen Servant can?
< 1548541727 666081 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1548541731 820427 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much weight can my hon. and learned friend fungot lift? is it more than an Unseen Servant can?
< 1548541731 917101 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the european union
< 1548541737 867065 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's heavy
< 1548541868 492058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no human in this channel; the majority in this channel are the writing of letters/words/numbers/sentences/etc.
< 1548542175 98706 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prestidigitation can lift 1 pound, Mage Hand 5 pounds, Instant Summons 10 pounds, Unseen Servant 20 pounds, Mage's Magnificient Mansion has two servants per caster level and they can each lift 20 pounds, 
< 1548542194 764065 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but summoning a strong creature that obeys your commands is probably easier than any of these.
< 1548542636 547949 :dauie_!~dauie@64.62.224.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1548542644 301447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much can the summoned creature lift?
< 1548542890 918050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1548543336 209131 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know. it would depend on how big a creature you can summon. If you can cast fifth level spells, then you can summon a medium earth elemental, which has Str 21, so it can lift 460 pounds. If that's not enough, buff it with Bull's Strength to get 800 pounds.
< 1548543385 477280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, apparently a creature can lift double of their max load, so that's 920 pounds for the elemental, 1600 pounds with the buff.
< 1548543449 397647 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt updated for Ravnica All
< 1548543515 856737 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt MagicCompRules_20190125.txt
< 1548543516 753691 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https:/media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt: No such file or directory
< 1548543536 380725 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch share/mtg/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt 
< 1548543538 275194 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt%20: \ 2019-01-26 22:58:57 ERROR 404: Not Found.
< 1548543546 930714 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch share/mtg/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt
< 1548543548 113515 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2019-01-26 22:59:07 URL:https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt [709819/709819] -> "share/mtg/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt" [1]
< 1548543641 705586 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` set -e; cd share/mtg; iconv -f cp1252 -t utf-8 MagicCompRules_20190125.txt | tr -d \\r > rules.txt
< 1548543643 496631 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1548543658 498231 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` grep effective share/mtg/rules.txt
< 1548543659 260881 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :These rules are effective as of January 25, 2019. \ A keyword ability that causes damage dealt by an object to be especially effective. See rule 702.2, "Deathtouch." \ Myriad is a triggered ability that effectively lets a creature attack in all possible directions. See rule 702.115, "Myriad." \ These rules are effective as of January 25, 2019.
< 1548543672 924018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: download it for yourself too
< 1548543701 404873 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, I should get back to downloading the oracle and scryfall...
< 1548543730 213201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I will download it now
< 1548543821 196860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally they changed it to ASCII.
< 1548543872 885675 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? 
> 1548543935 146989 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59458&oldid=59296 5* 03Cortex 5* (+19) 10/* Example-based languages */
< 1548543957 926283 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed
< 1548543962 293106 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's *mostly* ascii now
< 1548543964 245784 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not quite
< 1548544006 263418 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` perl -ne '/[^ -~\r\n]/ and print' mtg/share/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt
< 1548544006 974871 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open mtg/share/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt: No such file or directory.
> 1548544014 753580 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59459&oldid=59458 5* 03Cortex 5* (+19) 10
< 1548544028 641909 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` perl -ne '/[^ -~\r\n]/ and print' share/mtg/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt
< 1548544029 355759 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :700.8a One card (City in a Bottle) refers to permanents and cards with a name originally printed in the Arabian Nights(tm) expansion. Those names are Abu Ja'far, Aladdin, Aladdin's Lamp, Aladdin's Ring, Ali Baba, Ali from Cairo, Army of Allah, Bazaar of Baghdad, Bird Maiden, Bottle of Suleiman, Brass Man, Camel, City in a Bottle, City of Brass, Cuombajj Witches, Cyclone, Dancing Scimitar, Dand�n, Desert, Desert Nomads, Desert Twister, Diamond Valley, Drop 
< 1548544039 705860 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that one rule has some non-ascii card names
> 1548544094 742284 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hell6914]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59460&oldid=59019 5* 03Cortex 5* (+34) 10
< 1548544144 547869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I see that
< 1548544200 239230 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I think they changed the encoding from cp1252
< 1548544204 118514 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what the heck it is now?
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< 1548544263 547618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe PC character set.
< 1548544303 146544 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the card name should be Dandân, and the file has Dand\x{83}n
< 1548544328 157831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know why they don't just change it to ASCII, but it is consistent with being PC character coding.)
< 1548544341 785178 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and it has Juz\x{A0}m Djinn, so it's probably a cp437-derived one
< 1548544354 912675 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue NICK :Hooloovo0
< 1548544355 323045 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably cp437 or cp850, let me try
< 1548544547 752823 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, either cp437 or cp850 works, it has only three different non-ascii characters
< 1548544620 772790 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's call it cp850 because that has more letters and less line-drawing stuff
< 1548544625 877327 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so more useful for M:tG character names
< 1548544705 656643 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it matters much for M:tG, they haven't done a Portugese plain yet
< 1548544863 296937 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` set -e; cd share/mtg; iconv -f cp850 -t utf-8 MagicCompRules_20190125.txt | tr -d \\r > rules.txt
< 1548544865 56656 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1548544907 751013 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` perl -ne '/.{5}[^ -~\r\n].*/ and print $&' share/mtg/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt
< 1548544908 638201 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Dand�n, Desert, Desert Nomads, Desert Twister, Diamond Valley, Drop of Honey, Ebony Horse, Elephant Graveyard, El-Hajj�j, Erg Raiders, Erhnam Djinn, Eye for an Eye, Fishliver Oil, Flying Carpet, Flying Men, Ghazb�n Ogre, Giant Tortoise, Guardian Beast, Hasran Ogress, Hurr Jackal, Ifh-Biff Efreet, Island Fish Jasconius, Island of Wak-Wak, Jandor's Ring, Jandor's Saddlebags, Jeweled Bird, Jihad, Jun�n Efreet, Juz�m Djinn, Khab�l Ghoul, King Suleiman, Kir
< 1548544925 914265 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1548544935 256608 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem right
< 1548544939 408010 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1548544980 626727 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` perl -ne '/.{5}[^ -~\r\n].*/ and print $&' share/mtg/rules.txt
< 1548544981 448426 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Dandân, Desert, Desert Nomads, Desert Twister, Diamond Valley, Drop of Honey, Ebony Horse, Elephant Graveyard, El-Hajjâj, Erg Raiders, Erhnam Djinn, Eye for an Eye, Fishliver Oil, Flying Carpet, Flying Men, Ghazbán Ogre, Giant Tortoise, Guardian Beast, Hasran Ogress, Hurr Jackal, Ifh-Biff Efreet, Island Fish Jasconius, Island of Wak-Wak, Jandor's Ring, Jandor's Saddlebags, Jeweled Bird, Jihad, Junún Efreet, Juzám Djinn, Khabál Ghoul, King Suleima
< 1548544983 745130 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :better
< 1548545045 739483 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` perl -ne '/Suleim.*/ and print $&' share/mtg/rules.txt
< 1548545047 115168 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suleiman, Brass Man, Camel, City in a Bottle, City of Brass, Cuombajj Witches, Cyclone, Dancing Scimitar, Dandân, Desert, Desert Nomads, Desert Twister, Diamond Valley, Drop of Honey, Ebony Horse, Elephant Graveyard, El-Hajjâj, Erg Raiders, Erhnam Djinn, Eye for an Eye, Fishliver Oil, Flying Carpet, Flying Men, Ghazbán Ogre, Giant Tortoise, Guardian Beast, Hasran Ogress, Hurr Jackal, Ifh-Biff Efreet, Island Fish Jasconius, Island of Wak-Wak, Jandor's Ri
< 1548545064 237412 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-145.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` perl -ne '/King Suleim.*/ and print $&' share/mtg/rules.txt
< 1548545064 963277 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :King Suleiman, Kird Ape, Library of Alexandria, Magnetic Mountain, Merchant Ship, Metamorphosis, Mijae Djinn, Moorish Cavalry, Nafs Asp, Oasis, Old Man of the Sea, Oubliette, Piety, Pyramids, Repentant Blacksmith, Ring of Ma'rûf, Rukh Egg, Sandals of Abdallah, Sandstorm, Serendib Djinn, Serendib Efreet, Shahrazad, Sindbad, Singing Tree, Sorceress Queen, Stone-Throwing Devils, Unstable Mutation, War Elephant, Wyluli Wolf, and Ydwen Efreet.
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> 1548545754 786537 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:U ndefined14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59462&oldid=56319 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+2) 10Undo revision 56319 by [[Special:Contributions/U ndefined|U ndefined]] Incorrect DISPLAYTITLE use, only caps and space->underscore changes valid
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< 1548545807 937196 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
> 1548545840 919744 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hell6914]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59463&oldid=59460 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-34) 10Undo revision 59460 by [[Special:Contributions/Cortex|Cortex]] ([[User talk:Cortex|talk]]) Incorrect DISPLAYTITLE use, only caps and space->underscore changes are valid, language could have easily been Hell, but isn't
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> 1548546285 54841 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Quantum brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59464&oldid=54249 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+31) 10use currently unused category page
> 1548546361 312874 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Quantum Dimensions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59465&oldid=41881 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+30) 10use existing Quantum category
> 1548546533 468758 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Expandable Quantum Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59466&oldid=8576 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+212) 10add categories
< 1548546562 55271 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand ais523.
> 1548546788 984663 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Quantum INTERCAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59467&oldid=58458 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+56) 10categories
> 1548546948 765555 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Semi-quantum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59468&oldid=42143 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+77) 10categories
< 1548547000 945355 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it says "or infinity". Sigh.
> 1548547109 132212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SoT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59469&oldid=20770 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+31) 10this has a quantum element too
> 1548547414 247011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category talk:Data structures14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59470&oldid=17335 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+354) 10
> 1548547542 154509 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Chaingate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59471&oldid=59461 5* 03Int-e 5* (+189) 10sigh
> 1548547746 199384 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category talk:Data structures14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59472&oldid=59470 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1) 10REQUEST FOR DELETION (unused dupe category)
> 1548548228 741717 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric Verilog14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59473&oldid=57478 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+31) 10idea with quantum elements
> 1548548791 726274 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Billiard ball machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59474&oldid=37130 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+31) 10not 100% sure about a Quantum categorisation (for the gates), maybe it is simply reversible?
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> 1548561448 861347 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02Category:Data structures10]]": stub category created in 2005 and never used; currently [[Category:Data Types and Structures]] is used instead
< 1548562471 163809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In UNIX there is fork() and vfork() functions to create a new process. However, one thing that might seem to me that you might want to use without having to copy the memory is a function that is similar to vfork() in that it suspends the parent and shares memory, but registers (including the program counter and stack pointer) are also shared. If execve() is called and succeeds, it returns zero to the parent.
< 1548562572 887308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The child can set up file descriptors and whatever is needed, including possibly variables in the parent process (such as storing the process ID), before calling another program.)
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< 1548563199 852705 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cellular automaton is just a lattice of queue automata with queue sizes of 1.
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< 1548565173 910646 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperedges in a graph can be seen as queue automata that share a single queue between them.
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> 1548579866 171773 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chicken14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59475&oldid=58532 5* 03Cortex 5* (+207) 10
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< 1548587900 138722 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a fork where nothing is shared
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> 1548589553 479627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kolmogorov14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59477&oldid=23604 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+136) 10/* External resources */
< 1548590346 422750 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Kolmogorov_machine ← wow, didn’t heard about these
< 1548590356 429880 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hear*
< 1548590499 720505 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Real" Kolmogorov machines have never been tried
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< 1548593607 298254 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190126.html
< 1548593608 41253 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190126.html: b_jonas
< 1548593676 867786 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ehlist http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/comics/2738898/shes-a-real-knockout/
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< 1548593979 234460 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, and I don't think the comprehensive rules was chosen to be going to ASCII as such. my guess is that they get the plain text version by saving the doc version from MS Word, and that has three options for saving in plain text: save in locale-dependent windows encoding, locale-dependent DOS encoding, and UTF-16. They chose the wrong one. 
< 1548593997 54709 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing this because at least once they put the wrong date in the filename, while the body still told the right date.
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< 1548598126 368694 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so "poultry" and "domestic fowl" are both general terms for certain birds that are and kept captive by humans for farming, typically domestic versions of chicken, turkey, goose and duck, and peacock.
< 1548598215 979058 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new part of this to me is that "poultry" is a term that can be used for the live birds. I assumed for some reason that it referred to only the food parts (meat, liver, bone, etc) of killed birds, like "pork" and "beef" and "veal".
< 1548598258 568835 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good, that means english doesn't actually have separate terms for the food parts of every common animal
< 1548598269 108010 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, of every animal that's commonly used as food
< 1548598297 788655 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still "venison" for food made of any kind of deer, mind you
< 1548598413 294625 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the primary meaning of "fowl" is also apparently the domesticated version of these birds, though it has other meanings which is why "domesticated fowl" exists, so there's still two words that seem redundant to each other
< 1548598509 916594 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this actually seems to make sense historically
< 1548598627 168368 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2015-03-20.2284.html quotes a dialog from Sir Walter Scott explaining how "swine" and "ox" are germanic words used for pigs and cows by the peasants who raise them, but "pork" and "beef" are the french words by the noblemen who eat them
< 1548598739 352202 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the birds too, "fowl" is the germanic words used by the peasants who raise the birds, and "poultry" by the noblemen, only there the distinction is not so sharp, the peasants do sometimes eat poultry and the noblemen are more likely to encounter living fowl or hunt on wild birds that's pretty similar to it, sometimes even the same species, much more similar than boar and deer are to pig and ox
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> 1548618609 799736 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07@NUM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59478&oldid=59457 5* 03KrystosTheOverlord 5* (+52) 10
< 1548618610 15679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You are probably correct it was not meant to be ASCII and they may have made such a mistake. (Although my opinion is they ought to make it ASCII)
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< 1548619821 453889 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1548623500 375680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1548623708 639674 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olympic
< 1548623709 817388 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olympic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1548623711 352933 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? photovoltaic
< 1548623712 487285 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :photovoltaic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1548623739 440456 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `? leyden
< 1548623740 573540 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? leyden? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1548623742 460943 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? leyden
< 1548623743 562964 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :leyden? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
> 1548624440 921141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kolmogorov14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59479&oldid=59477 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+155) 10/* External resources */ archived website, but interpreter not captured :(
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> 1548624586 935968 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zucchini14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59480&oldid=36683 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+26) 10/* Implementation */ Archived source
> 1548624674 660668 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kolmogorov machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59481&oldid=58728 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+16) 10/* See Also */ add link to Kolmogorov esolang
> 1548624924 574253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Funciton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59482&oldid=59352 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+43) 10/* Example programs */ add link to the Truth-machine I wrote
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< 1548625623 688811 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mirror
< 1548625624 780293 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mirrors are interdimensional portals that only grant access to vampires.
> 1548625742 453906 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TURKEY BOMB14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59483&oldid=20290 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+25) 10/* External resources */ I don't even... Fix deadlink, was referenced on [[Talk:TIB_and_STIB]]
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< 1548626409 628965 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Kolmogorov
< 1548626412 575406 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kolmogorov? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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> 1548628840 465785 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kolmogorov machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59484&oldid=59481 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+25) 10/* External resources */ found the article on wayback
> 1548629292 360019 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kolmogorov machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59485&oldid=59484 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+74) 10/* External resources */
> 1548629501 838363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kolmogorov machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59486&oldid=59485 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+5) 10/* External resources */  correct wiki pointer machine link
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< 1548632283 200953 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
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< 1548638128 343415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-27.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 350 
< 1548638128 989671 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :350.00°F = 176.67°C
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> 1548640850 675631 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03IFcoltransG 5*  10New user account
> 1548641068 908122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59487&oldid=59384 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+215) 10IFcoltransG added
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< 1548650354 309633 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/eamsv2p2vi48u9y/ECH0005%20Documentation%20-%20Google%20Docs.pdf?dl=0 What do you think?
< 1548650358 840918 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made an asm-like programming language
< 1548650363 644365 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome to comment if you understand it
< 1548650395 90169 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have nowhere else to turn for advice
< 1548651054 436965 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello?
< 1548651177 810813 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem especially odd.
< 1548651179 859184 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun, though.
< 1548651279 397819 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, it's (C) 
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< 1548661052 182788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making all transparent pixels in a PNG file black (but still transparent) is not always optimal. But what will be more optimal? For example, the Infogalactic logo does not use all black transparent pixels, and making them black makes the compression worse.
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< 1548673878 959806 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iteresting
< 1548673905 602370 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the aim would be to bleed outwards from the non-transparent colors into the transparent region in "basic shapes" that are easy to compress
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< 1548678828 14351 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, you already give the user the choice to change all transparent pixels black or keep their color. so does the PNG export dialog in GIMP. that should be good enough.
< 1548678858 642451 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for what compresses well, I think it would help much more if we had better algorithms to choose a good 256 color palette
< 1548678906 973151 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know how to make a good one. I couldn't make a good one even if it was allowed to be slow.
> 1548679281 621468 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Yeah!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59488 5* 03A 5* (+689) 10Created page with "[[Yeah!]] is an [[esoteric programming language]] that is basic. It is created by [[User:A]]. You can only implement fork bombs and initialize variables as its original value...."
< 1548679347 760316 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would i want to write a thesis about the separating word problem?
> 1548679349 651860 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Yeah!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59489&oldid=59488 5* 03A 5* (+132) 10
> 1548679361 889860 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Yeah!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59490&oldid=59489 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10
< 1548679471 813057 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't there something like preadv/pwritev that can scatter-gather on both sides, so you give both file offsets (for seekable file) and memory addresses for each chunk?
< 1548679480 846725 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be useful for a database engine
< 1548679720 230290 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, I guess it doesn't matter anymore, CPUs and OSes together are just solving fast system calls anyway.
> 1548681793 83207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59491&oldid=59476 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+129) 10/* Eodermdrome */
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> 1548699805 523963 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ElemScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59493 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+191) 10Created page with "[[Elemscript]], is an [[esoteric programming language]] made by [[User: Areallycoolusername|Areallycoolusername]]. All commands are carried out using the atom formulas for dif..."
> 1548699822 98774 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ElemScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59494&oldid=59493 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+9) 10
> 1548699834 427989 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ElemScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59495&oldid=59494 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+1) 10
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< 1548703505 458387 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-63.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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> 1548707571 942403 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Conway's Game of Life14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59496 5* 03ZM 5* (+26) 10Creating redirect
< 1548708507 124329 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-63.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` wisdom; quote
< 1548708507 851897 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-63.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` wisdom; quote
< 1548708508 279222 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​nak// \ 55)  im the worst person in the world
< 1548708508 882760 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​pico//pico is the useless twin of nano. \ 308)  sgeo do you actually know what sex looks like i am just checking here   I think so
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< 1548710086 48305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i understand explainxkcd for today correctly, donald trump is a time traveller hth
< 1548710120 274411 :dauie!~dauie@64.62.224.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth?
< 1548710133 67262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth
< 1548710134 231153 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth ([ʰtʰh̩]) is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous.
< 1548710860 636390 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dauie: you must be new here
< 1548710882 844152 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy the ride
< 1548711503 992238 :dauie!~dauie@64.62.224.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: tryna :)
< 1548712281 697120 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tdh
< 1548712283 51321 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh is the past tense of a successful hth. hth.
< 1548712858 523209 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome dauie
< 1548712859 840894 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dauie: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1548712868 463635 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( `learn Shannon invented the noisy channel. It was later implemented in ircd. )
< 1548712872 267868 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shannon
< 1548712873 474931 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shannon forbade non mathematically minded people from reading his research papers. Taneb invented it.
< 1548712886 684564 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this channel isn't always 50% botnoise)
< 1548712899 410044 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: really?
< 1548712899 889994 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i can do no better than to start the work of fnord, their trust, the effect, real people, a substantial sum of the governments analysis, points of point-scoring, but
< 1548712920 288030 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: tbf we can be noisy without the bots as well.
< 1548712924 654128 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair
< 1548713020 789062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg shannon
< 1548713022 547161 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :8423:2016-06-09  learn Shannon forbade non mathematically minded people from reading his research papers. Taneb invented it.
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< 1548713147 159434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "it" makes no grammatical sense. which is of course pretty much standard b_jonas ...
< 1548713191 103248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( at least he didn't call Shannon "her" )
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< 1548713334 463944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask b_jonas Have you ever got into a flame war because of making a pronoun error twh
< 1548713334 822581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1548713407 78858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please don't start the work of fnord, you'll doom us all.
< 1548713407 550877 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is the hon. member to have a helicopter, and has to be a military point of view, to the question, and the many people in this dreadful problem that the hon. and learned friend the member for south east cornwall,
< 1548713590 222171 :dauie!~dauie@64.62.224.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Thanks for the hospitality :)
< 1548713645 10526 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is this: https://s3.tradingview.com/x/x4PGDlCP_mid.png
< 1548713732 695551 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is looking at all the xkcd #2101 imitations at https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/BTCUSD/ but this one looks most ridiculous of them all so far.

< 1548715956 317194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: clearly someone is trying to use bitcoins to summon something hth
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> 1548719424 358489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Eodermdrome14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59497&oldid=39343 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1086) 10examples: self describing finite loops using the default graph
< 1548719479 587834 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how goes it?
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> 1548720629 943425 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ElemScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59498&oldid=59495 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (-26) 10[1] no need in plain links to itself, [2] user page links should be explicit, by starting with User:, [3] really please elaborate what you mean there
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< 1548721482 312864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does it gotta go
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< 1548721676 583050 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :refusing to let time pass?
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< 1548724563 970459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any type systems or whatevers that are really linear, not just affine?
< 1548724846 442289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taking the string diagram thing I was thinking about, maybe it'd look like this: Every "function" has some number of input arguments and some number of output arguments, and you have to use each output exactly once.
< 1548724899 521929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can use uppercase for output and lowercase for input or something.
< 1548724945 460422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems a bit like a logic language?
< 1548724964 162786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way you can compose things in general is to create new variables for the intermediate values.
< 1548725014 533038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you have add which has two inputs and one output. You could write something like "add(a, b, X) add(x, c, R)"
< 1548725025 249094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has three inputs and one output, a,b,c,R
< 1548725055 44937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For data/comonoids, you have dup(x, Y, Z) and del(x)
> 1548725115 905763 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Something Fawful 5*  10New user account
< 1548725122 844784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's just dup(x, ...) which lets you produce zero or more copies of the input.
< 1548725197 739749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway you have to use each variable exactly once each of lowercase and uppercase.
< 1548725206 564676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean each name.
< 1548725433 733020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: Seems similar to the mode thing you were talking about the other day, though I think that's not linear.
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< 1548754891 252243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math
< 1548754892 402557 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, linear logic, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms.
< 1548754914 223412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You invented string diagrams, maybe you have some idea? This seems pretty neat.
< 1548754928 906236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of weird category is this?
< 1548754948 184956 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of weird category is what?
< 1548755056 666445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure exactly.
< 1548755072 247117 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a dagger compact category?
< 1548755074 570323 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boost
< 1548755075 597836 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boost? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1548755076 956365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly!
< 1548755125 726290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you have to be explicit about all inputs and outputs, you might write "f(x) = g(h(x))" as f(x,Z) = f(x,Y) g(y,Z)
< 1548755172 215849 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo?
< 1548755186 558079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly?
< 1548755210 339844 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,Z) = g(x,Y) h(y,Z)?
< 1548755217 951055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes.
< 1548755246 603232 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it definitely feels like a category, I'll start with that
< 1548755246 853961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This just corresponds to connecting up strings. Every name must be used twice, once as input (lowercase) and once as output (uppercase).
< 1548755272 607691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the ones that are used only once, which are the inputs and outputs to the thing you're defining.
< 1548755294 297860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, what do you do when you have something more complicated than composition?
< 1548755327 133712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you have a sum type that you want to match on.
< 1548755350 854291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you use something like +, like with tensors?
< 1548755382 722581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say that some operators can be used in multiple modes. For example cons(x,xs,L) constructs a list, and cons(X,XS,l) matches on a list.
< 1548755425 735971 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe everything winds up reversible like that?
< 1548755445 123226 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on your primitives, of course
< 1548755459 547011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then maybe you can write: append(l,ys,ZS) = ( cons(X, XS, l) cons(x, tmp, ZS) append(xs, ys, TMP) ) + ( nil(l) id(ys,ZS) )
< 1548755473 432788 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,Z) = g(x,Y) h(y,Z)
< 1548755480 762555 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this work
< 1548755483 732551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In "e1 + e2", e1 and e2 must have the same free variables in the same modes.
< 1548755489 179345 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1548755494 307578 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an n-arg function becomes an n+1 arg function
< 1548755498 354664 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the extra arg is the output
< 1548755518 959536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1548755521 403240 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so f(x,Z) = g(x,Y) h(y,Z)  means   f(x) = h(g(x))
< 1548755559 535753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes. That one.
< 1548755560 644143 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is just prolog!
< 1548755572 535092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty prology the way I'm describing it.
< 1548755600 409856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I think it's more interesting when the things you're dealing with aren't just data (i.e. not comonoids).
< 1548755618 913782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't just drop a thing. You must use it exactly once in general.
< 1548755686 274921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, if you're using this to talk about (multi)linear algebra, you might write f(X,Y) to represent f being a (2,0)-tensor
< 1548755838 678598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: got any good chains of block i can get in on twh
< 1548755953 901810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway maybe it is prolog-related. What's the category theory of prolog?
< 1548756096 244797 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/01/belgian-artist-rescued-from-installation-representing-inescapable-burden-of-history is a pretty good example
< 1548756145 700734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unfortunately I didn't find any actual block chains... I would have expected that linked concrete blocks would make a good barricade. maybe I should have used "linked" as a keyword in my search)
< 1548756177 172235 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lunch first.
< 1548756187 374929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time int-e
< 1548756188 662696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for int-e is Tue Jan 29 11:03:07 2019
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< 1548756544 395315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe an alternative would be producing
< 1548756564 721986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :one output for each summand, or something?
< 1548756578 44746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that'd work, if you only have one tensor.
< 1548756608 107223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1548756663 425598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For handling a summand, you could have something like:
< 1548756693 579876 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, tensors here! I should see the logs)
< 1548756715 225036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not tensor tensors yet but I hope to connect them.
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< 1548756778 524636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you have e.g. data Blah = Left String | Right Int; foo (Left s) = length s; foo (Right x) = twice x
< 1548756805 615651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might turn into something like
< 1548756810 250484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo : (in Blah, out Int)
< 1548756864 302867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(b, OUT) = left(b, S) length(s, OUT) + right(b, X) twice(x, OUT)
< 1548756868 612067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the + scheme
< 1548756913 576953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was thinking of something like: foo(b, OUT) = blah(b, L, R) length(l, OUT) twice(r, OUT)
< 1548756917 824034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course that doesn't work at all.
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< 1548756950 725376 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about f(a,b,c:x,y) instead of lower/uppercase
< 1548756996 335693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about the exact syntax yet. I'm trying to match index notation with upper/lower indices.
< 1548757041 892815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's important (?) that every letter is used once as input and once as output. Is there a Prolog variant that does that?
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< 1548757251 966322 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
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< 1548757273 119440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a traced monoidal category, you can implement something like recursion with something like foo(x,X)
< 1548757279 80969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/implement/do/
< 1548757473 946713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course for single-output things you could support a shorthand like f(g(x))
< 1548757498 410243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is more interesting for things with nontrivial graphs.
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< 1548758581 267537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, presumably true(X) true(x) is just 1
< 1548758588 184889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how the scalars work here exactly.
< 1548758601 739964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A scalar is a thing with no inputs and no outputs.
< 1548758608 495030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a good meaning for something like (left(a, X) + left(b, X)) ?
< 1548758615 184439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just backtracking or something?
< 1548758654 159983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true(X) false(x) = 0
< 1548758721 939404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, this could be tg
< 1548759206 785951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, this is literally prolog
< 1548759803 812374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, this is TG
< 1548761924 666176 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1548762021 250551 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1548762970 119838 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59506 5* 03A 5* (+268) 10Save
> 1548763507 53107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59507&oldid=59506 5* 03A 5* (+730) 10
> 1548763537 722340 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59508&oldid=59507 5* 03A 5* (+3) 10
> 1548763801 552029 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59509&oldid=59508 5* 03A 5* (+444) 10
> 1548764101 882041 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59510&oldid=59509 5* 03A 5* (+499) 10/* Setting variables */
> 1548764137 487136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59511&oldid=59510 5* 03A 5* (+31) 10/* Other operators */
> 1548764300 724478 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59512&oldid=59511 5* 03A 5* (+86) 10/* Other operators */
> 1548764344 329697 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59513&oldid=59512 5* 03A 5* (-10) 10
> 1548764384 97499 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59514&oldid=59513 5* 03A 5* (-68) 10/* Documentation (actually a tutorial) */
> 1548764422 497268 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59515&oldid=59514 5* 03A 5* (+41) 10/* =Hello world */
> 1548764432 592493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59516&oldid=59515 5* 03A 5* (-8) 10/* Hello World! program */
> 1548764684 458933 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59517&oldid=59516 5* 03A 5* (+162) 10/* Other operators */
> 1548764843 752641 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59518&oldid=59517 5* 03A 5* (+51) 10
> 1548764866 624325 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59519&oldid=59518 5* 03A 5* (-6) 10
< 1548766974 929275 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1548766990 263867 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548768473 222589 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a000043f6eaa5bbc187.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548768518 778647 :leonheart!~leonheart@gateway/tor-sasl/leonheart JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548768604 949380 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uixspsffcvfcsbbj JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548768981 927142 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548769058 691197 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I blame izabera https://esolangs.org/logs/2016-06-09.html#lNl
< 1548769192 333082 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not really a flamewar yet, but there were short exchanges where other people claimed that I make certain pronoun errors for certain deliberate purposes
< 1548769208 186581 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as for this case, I think I just wrote "Taneb invented it." because so many wisdoms say that
< 1548769245 156181 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` grep -RlF "Taneb invented it." wisdom
< 1548769246 126587 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/bbc \ wisdom/sand \ wisdom/diagram chasing \ wisdom/sanity \ wisdom/taneb consistency \ wisdom/shannon \ wisdom/this sentence
< 1548769250 260573 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bbc
< 1548769251 445528 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets, tiny elfs, villages in Norway, and inventors of all things. Taneb invented it.
< 1548769251 871044 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` ?sand
< 1548769252 504959 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1548769255 817422 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sanity
< 1548769256 902209 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sanity is the defining property of boily. Taneb invented it.
< 1548769261 96077 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? diagram chasing
< 1548769262 539028 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diagram chasing is a technique used to prove integer lemmas. Taneb invented it.
< 1548769263 351398 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sand
< 1548769264 360554 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sand is what microprocessors are made of. Taneb invented it.
< 1548769384 883079 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, not that many apparently. Only like four.
< 1548769459 350143 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using "it" to refer to a person in English is incorrect and prone to cause offense in virtually all circumstances
< 1548769520 231937 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if they're a person I invented
< 1548769535 284063 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm not sure if it's supposed to refer to a person there.
< 1548769538 257835 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shannon
< 1548769539 339811 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shannon forbade non mathematically minded people from reading his research papers. Taneb invented it.
< 1548769548 805825 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it reads to me as referring to Shannon himself
< 1548769550 941609 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably refers to the research papers
< 1548769575 51146 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? taneb consistency
< 1548769576 177517 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb consistency is a consistency that is weaker than all other consistencies. Taneb invented it.
< 1548769581 985845 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps refers to the idea of forbidding non-mathematically minded people from reading papers
< 1548769608 772147 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, and one of them is probably mine
< 1548769612 137988 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? it
< 1548769613 189927 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have been certainly so, but `8ball refused to coöperate.
< 1548769622 340384 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` hg cat -r 8422 wisdom/it | tail -n+2
< 1548769623 410919 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb invented it.
< 1548769646 567141 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ That was me too, and it may have been another inappropriate use of "it"
< 1548769683 768486 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? learn Shannon forbade non mathematically minded people from reading his resarch papers. Taneb invented Shannon, his research papers, and Shannon's prohibition.
< 1548769686 451310 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn Shannon forbade non mathematically minded people from reading his resarch papers. Taneb invented Shannon, his research papers, and Shannon's prohibition.? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1548769688 253303 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Shannon forbade non mathematically minded people from reading his resarch papers. Taneb invented Shannon, his research papers, and Shannon's prohibition.
< 1548769691 151491 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'shannon': Shannon forbade non mathematically minded people from reading his resarch papers. Taneb invented Shannon, his research papers, and Shannon's prohibition.
< 1548769702 453133 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's somewhat less ambiguous
< 1548769790 318908 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grWp tanea
< 1548769791 395798 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanea:Tanea plays Minecrafs, Dware Fortresr, and lives in Cambridgd.
< 1548769801 865550 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` hg grep -l -r ":8422" 'Taneb invented it' wisdom
< 1548769816 594002 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/this sentence:4396 \ wisdom/torus:5763 \ wisdom/bbc:7823 \ wisdom/it:8397 \ wisdom/underwater jousting:8405 \ wisdom/necessity:8408
< 1548769823 511794 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ and of those, "it" and "underwater jousting" are my own, so they don't count
< 1548769824 137150 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1548769838 321321 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether "Cambridgd" is still up-to-date.

< 1548769862 819575 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that it's really any of our business.)
< 1548770182 435526 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? submarine jousting
< 1548770183 520527 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Submarine jousting is unexplainable.
< 1548770186 717615 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? underwater jousting
< 1548770187 877521 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :underwater jousting? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1548770212 360480 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did Taneb invent submarine jousting?
< 1548770224 12839 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1548770226 377051 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions
< 1548770227 492072 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1548770227 871656 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :says so
< 1548770589 902653 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` hg log -r "7042" -T "{rev}:{date|shortdate}:{desc}\n" wisdom/tanebvention # ed? seriously?
< 1548770590 893281 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :7042:2016-02-28: `` ed wisdom/tanebvention <<<$\'1s/ Go, /&submarine jousting, /\\nwq\'
< 1548771016 352204 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, do you watch submarine jousting?
< 1548771016 694422 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: what we have the important conclusions, the report notes the irony of the governments two working days forward, that the necessary, even if the government are
< 1548772476 296568 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I may have invented submarine jousting but Phantom_Hoover is the undisputed world champion
< 1548772521 666785 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw where could I read about ‘data ~ comonoids’? (I’m reading about that tensory shachaf thing finally, yay)
< 1548772527 967551 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 NICK :arseniiv
< 1548772545 913707 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah
< 1548772562 442444 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s about that deleting and copying, I’ve got it
< 1548772602 740509 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counit deletes, cothatotherthing duplicates
< 1548772613 73945 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1548772713 987979 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not really
< 1548772723 564394 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sigfpe have written several times about tensory things in Haskell (and used do notation, how couldn’t it be)
< 1548772727 979932 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: huh?
< 1548772747 459329 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1548772747 516783 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl* youtube
< 1548772764 732180 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do *you* want to deliver the brexit?
< 1548772765 55301 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the right to a review of it. on the commitment to the bill and the other is the reckless. the eu insists that the government take to make that a reality, and that
< 1548772781 42022 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: well, I don't really know, but what you wrote sounds suspicious, so my guess is that it's wrong
< 1548772824 259645 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s the only way a data ~ comonoid makes sense to me yet :)
< 1548772873 251445 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe shachaf would say in what sense it should be understood, then
< 1548772894 534169 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Labour has been absolutely clear from the start..." 
< 1548772920 562982 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I get it, it’s not data vs. codata but data vs. something hardly copyable/destructible
< 1548772951 410573 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it’s the case with the suspicion
< 1548772998 250971 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.218.48 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548773155 395247 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I’m intrigued if there could be an analog of metric tensor, say, commutative functions f(x, y) and f(X, Y) canonical in some way and such that f(x, y) f(Y, Z) = id(x, Z) etc.
< 1548774022 165955 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1548774037 222279 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn you, unpredictable 1-indexing
< 1548774687 627922 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548774704 546717 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1548775365 135958 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548775429 896347 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf> Oh, I was thinking of something like: foo(b, OUT) = blah(b, L, R) length(l, OUT) twice(r, OUT) => oh, could we make some abstraction of argument lists, too? for example (,) is like conjunction/product, and we could add something like disjunction/sum, and then one should be able to write blah(b, (L ; R)), where (;) is that one “disjunctional separator”
< 1548775468 154465 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it suddenly reminds me of sequent calculus
< 1548775491 866161 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those traditional formulations of linear logic based on it
< 1548775852 357827 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf> something like recursion with something like foo(x,X) => wait wait, what should foo(x, X) mean? Shouldn’t these isolated “scalars” be in a sense unobservable? We can’t interact with them, there’s no strings dangling…
< 1548775957 175459 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least id(x, X) should not add anything, so maybe other scalar terms shouldn’t too… hm but a zero scalar should fail, or that nice addition semantics wouldn’t work
< 1548776024 386761 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also what is TG?)
< 1548776059 141693 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: an acronym shachaf uses, I think to mean "too good"
< 1548776086 54218 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tg
< 1548776087 311898 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TG is short for Turing-Gödel, the highest possible level of difficulty for a multiplayer game. At this level, it's undecidable whether you can manage to halt before losing or not.
< 1548776110 573347 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a000043f6eaa5bbc187.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me you made that up
< 1548776140 21551 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“TG is f^W Turing good and too Gödel for me”
< 1548776169 494914 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 1 + 1 should be nondeterministic
< 1548776213 542600 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't me. that was oerjan and int-e.
< 1548776262 617232 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so the logs claim
< 1548776272 530349 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits tg
< 1548776274 326909 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-̈e int-̈e oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän
< 1548776294 640305 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dwag tg
< 1548776295 233342 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: dwag: not found
< 1548776304 115631 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does cwlprits handle people with single-character nicks?
< 1548776304 964981 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't remember that command

< 1548776351 845352 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dowg?
< 1548776358 665084 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg tg
< 1548776360 239440 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :8822:2016-07-16  revert \ 8821:2016-07-16  learn_append tg This gizmo talks gibberish too garbled to grasp. \ 7314:2016-03-29  sedlast s/quit/halt/ \ 7313:2016-03-29  learn_append tg At this level, it\'s undecidable whether you can manage to quit before losing or not. \ 7257:2016-03-21  learn TG is short for Turing-G\xc3\xb6del, the highest possible level of difficulty for a multiplayer game. \ 7256:2016-03-2
< 1548776425 993006 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I forgot.
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< 1548778254 480299 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could add something like subtyping to that tensorial system to be able to control whether an expression is total and/or deterministic
< 1548778254 596459 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example  cons(X, XS, l) : (out a, out list a, in cons a),  nil(l) : (in nil),  and  (A : (Γ, in t, Δ), B : (Γ, in u, Δ)) |- A + B : (Γ, in t + u, Δ),  and  list a = cons a + nil,  and we mark list a and other ADTs as “total types” and any non-ADT sums of constructor types as either partial or indeterministic or neither (like cons a + cons a)
< 1548778297 406819 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/neither/both
< 1548778412 926535 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also please forget what I said about 0, it seems it shouldn’t be considered as a fail
< 1548778538 637146 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Prolog analogy suggests it transparently
< 1548778616 513827 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe we indeed really deal there with linear logic, and then there should be two kinds of scalars and two different zeros, one is this unconditional success and the other I can’t remember what it is
< 1548778664 333896 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its category is monoidal too
< 1548779423 738164 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 NICK :arseniiv_
< 1548779440 619696 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 NICK :arseniiv
< 1548779596 461821 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :five months ago I @told myself with and underscore some thing and today was very confused when saw and read that message
< 1548779667 172901 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de PART :#esoteric
< 1548779801 718326 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the message
< 1548780167 764564 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the message was "five months ago I @told myself with and underscore some thing and today was very confused when saw and read that message "
< 1548780876 688031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Yes, by comonoid I mean copy+delete
< 1548780919 193807 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it was “why did you add an underscore?”
< 1548781007 506861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Yes, sequent composition/the cut rule is the same sort of thing as tensor contraction.
< 1548781074 808037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I think there's probably some analog of a metric at least in some contexts.
< 1548781275 460018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why shouldn't 0 be fail? I think it is fail.
< 1548781553 627565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can do a full classical linear logic thing, in which case it'd be one of the additive units, I guess.
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< 1548782282 565034 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: consider this Prolog code: succeeds() :- . If I get it right, there’s 0 in rhs
< 1548782317 450753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should be a 1?
< 1548782349 500805 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m unsure too
< 1548782354 427807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure.
< 1548782372 150679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo(X) :- bar(X)." is the same as "foo(X) :- bar(X), succeeds()."
< 1548782422 268226 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it’s strange in light of that scalars are “uninteracting”
< 1548782436 281028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean?
< 1548782466 784256 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don’t send to, nor recieve from them anything
< 1548782480 476976 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could they change something, then?
< 1548782485 108144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scalars are something like the count of ways to satisfy a program.
< 1548782518 818744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one way to satisfy succeeds(), and zero ways to satisfy fails().
< 1548782530 26298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ adds and , multiplies.
< 1548782538 798973 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I just haven’t understood what foo(x, X) should mean
< 1548782557 490048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, trace? I'm not sure how it should work either.
< 1548782618 698825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do know that if you say "foo(x, Y) :- bar(x), vaz(Y)", then foo(x, X) = bar(x) vaz(X)
< 1548782633 901501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only not sure about the behavior when they're connected.
< 1548782711 537845 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such a thing as a completely disconnected category?
< 1548782718 549848 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would just be a collection of monoids, I guess
< 1548782737 118187 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe we must think in a prology way further, then it succeeds iff x is a fixed point of foo
< 1548782766 185480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that's trace, of course.
< 1548782775 546865 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: surely it should have a name and maybe even this name
< 1548782777 71461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you represent rules as tensors, trace adds up the diagonals.
< 1548782791 855697 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: eh, as I was typing I realised just how uninteresting it is
< 1548782835 866199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: There are totally disconnected topological spaces which are at least somewhat interesting.
< 1548782982 521267 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s strange that we get fixed point checking predicates seemingly out of the blue; it should be impossible for some types, but if we don’t trace any “complementary” variable pairs, then it doesn’t appear. How do one constraints that on a level of categories?
< 1548783003 147298 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be impossible for some types => I mean, equality
< 1548783046 360671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess these could be infinite-dimensional vector spaces which would mean a lot of my intuition about tensors stops working.
< 1548783082 768144 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, special properties of id allow us have id(x, X) even if x isn’t equatable, it’s just 1 regardless
< 1548783112 322357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is id(x, X) 1?
< 1548783126 183709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In linera algebra trace(id_V) is the dimension of V
< 1548783143 416485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it seems like it could be the number of inhabitants of a type or something.
< 1548783150 910690 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm… ow
< 1548783154 704590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is indeed the number of fixed points.
< 1548783214 252847 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes some sense, it seems for types without equality we can’t sensibly define a number of inhabitants
< 1548783230 407470 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can’t allow writing id(x, X) for x of that type
< 1548783238 352875 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we have regularity again
< 1548783268 234859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it might still be workable.
< 1548783289 54587 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we even can’t have id of these types at all! :o
< 1548783299 333906 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can’t have foo(x, X) too
< 1548783326 631047 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it should be equal to foo(x, Y) id(y, X), and id(y, X) for that type doesn’t exist
< 1548783343 288563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's possible for some types to have trace and others not.
< 1548783372 472773 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trace too?
< 1548783379 486339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say that, like in Haskell or whatever, trace allows you to write arbitrary recursion.
< 1548783402 513937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So things that use trace might not halt.
< 1548783404 221617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trace is the thing that lets you can write foo(x, X)
< 1548783426 617927 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think disallowing id is sufficient
< 1548783434 988794 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1548783448 211982 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, technically it’s the trace
< 1548783577 720127 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one should simply ban any expressions with loops
< 1548783609 255272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or only allow them for some types.
< 1548783616 890321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular for finite types they could be OK?
< 1548783649 949467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also general recursion is probably fine too, who cares.
< 1548783661 479482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write recursive rules with trace instead of explicit recursion?
< 1548783756 737367 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular for finite types they could be OK? => consider boolean not(x, X') dup(x', X, Y)
< 1548783874 910292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, if you're allowing duplications that's a different story
< 1548783882 925694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not representable as tensors anymore (?)
< 1548783906 27873 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn’t be the category still monoidal? (IDK too)
< 1548783935 855588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but if it's a tensor I know how to contract it, just sum along the diagonal.
< 1548783950 433476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other cases it's less obvious.
< 1548783966 826371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1548783982 335984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make + saturating, so 1 + 1 = 1, then I think this may be the category Rel?
< 1548784168 297736 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about recursion: let’s take e. g. fact(n, F) = zero(n) one(F) + dup(n, N', N'') succ(M, n') times(n'', f1, F) fact(m, f1)
< 1548784183 752384 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it isn’t possible without fixed-point combinator
< 1548784243 426187 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I should’ve written it tail-recursively
< 1548784257 737452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should take a simpler recursive function. :-)
< 1548784278 924949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the simplest recursive definition?
< 1548784288 407718 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. Let’s take list length maybe
< 1548784375 217760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe doubling a number. That's pretty simple, and even primitive recursion.
< 1548784402 473556 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat!
< 1548784415 392956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double(n, OUT) = zero(n) zero(OUT) + succ(M, n) double(m, M2) succ(m2, M2P1) succ(m2p1, OUT)
< 1548784418 345726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right?
< 1548784438 858306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This style is so awkward. But I think you can introduce a shorthand to make it easier.
< 1548784453 785388 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll write my one from scratch, it’s easier to check then
< 1548784584 720827 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes of course it’s all right
< 1548784650 153582 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll beter write a tail-recursive one for comparison in plain Haskell first
< 1548784696 665499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think tail recursion will be easier?
< 1548784720 901555 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it will connect somehow better
< 1548784742 679301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double Z acc = acc; double (S n) acc = double n (S (S acc))
< 1548784817 428378 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in these two non-tail-recursive definitions no argument in the definition and in the recursive call does match, let’s see for tail-recursive
< 1548784825 498888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double(n, acc, OUT) = zero(n) id(acc, OUT) + succ(M, n) succ(acc, ACCP1) succ(accp1, ACCP2) double(m, ACCP2, OUT)
< 1548784882 323123 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least OUT matches (obviously :D)
< 1548784890 244894 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I hoped for something more
< 1548784891 828430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the shorthands I was using before was that you can drop the last argument if it's out-only, and just use a thing as an expression.
< 1548784895 167209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway.
< 1548784941 593200 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we do still need fixed-poind combinator, IDK
< 1548784946 533667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I think of trace is like https://arxiv.org/pdf/1401.5113.pdf , going around the loop repeatedly until it halts.
< 1548785025 150415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1548785124 335165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's tricky
< 1548785322 984070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet if I was thinking about it more declaratively I could figure it out.
< 1548785389 670507 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from another perspective, shouldn’t it then be possible in Prolog or its some known modifiaction?
< 1548785403 123483 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modification*
< 1548785427 263869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about something like:
< 1548785434 128432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double(n, OUT) = trace_acc { zero(n) id(acc, OUT) + succ(M, n) succ(acc, ACCP1) succ(accp1, ACCp2) id(, OUT) }
< 1548785467 428751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant id(acc, OUT)
< 1548785472 668660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not even outputing ACC, it's nonsense.
< 1548785586 485380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double(n, OUT) = real_double(n, OUT, x, X)
< 1548785789 553193 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real_double(n, OUT, x, Y) = zero(n) … id(x, Y) + succ(…, n) … succ(x, Y)?
< 1548785972 692513 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with such trace semantics, in some other cases it could be troublesome that we start with an unknown x in foo(…, x, X)
< 1548786005 881109 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in this one too, if x could be such that succ(x, X) :o
< 1548786034 478031 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this language shouldn’t be unmarked-lazy
< 1548786460 116997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1548786730 686564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I don't think succ(x, Y) makes sense because then there just aren't going to be any fixed points.
< 1548787136 195266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could maybe use a different style of trace:
< 1548787139 847805 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean x is not acc, it’s another accumulator solely for the sake of deciding when to stop tracing, and we could eliminate acc afterwards with dup(acc)
< 1548787141 297766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Either e a -> Either e b) -> a -> b
< 1548787172 324315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x isn't acc, but your second case should just always be 0, shouldn't it?
< 1548787189 990887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you take the fixed point it'll give you succ(x, X) which should just always fail.
< 1548787255 612849 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems I didn’t understand what you’ve said about repeating applications then :D
< 1548787288 866088 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your second case should just always be 0, shouldn't it? => at least for n nonzero it would fail too
< 1548787448 920312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow.
< 1548787461 698506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When would the right side ever not fail?
< 1548787540 245883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe what you said about dropping n makes sense.
< 1548787556 528191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean dropping acc
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< 1548787981 359943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is tricky.
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< 1548788920 494261 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know a lottery or stock market where I can get data that is hard to tamper with, hard to guess in advance, is released in a regular schedule and gives new data at least every hour all around the clock, and for which I can be sure people will be able to check the values and these properties even two decades from now?
< 1548788986 732472 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want such a thing for making a nothing-in-my-sleeve proof, where I want to prove something, but for practical reasons my proof requires randomness, so I publish the exact method in advance and perform the proof an hour later based on the publically verifiable randomness that I couldn't have tampered with.
< 1548789013 331448 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are "test" stock markets that do stuff like this.
< 1548789047 635833 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: '"test" stock market' doesn't sound well. the whole point of a _real_ stock market is that if I could predict the results, I'd be rich.
< 1548789061 125041 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that they probably live for long.
< 1548789085 274456 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something blockchain
< 1548789094 720537 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, blockchain could work
< 1548789096 660391 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there are Bitcoin lotteries which function like that?
< 1548789120 742732 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the random result is based on the next block or something so that it's impossible to predict but also impossible for the lottery people to lie
< 1548789125 741712 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone will hopefully archive the full bitcoin blockchain even if people implement a proper cutting functionality so that clients don't have to store all the chain
< 1548789140 777802 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes, that should probably work
< 1548789168 137660 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's bitcoin will probably have enough publically accessible mirrored copies twenty years from now
< 1548789182 229390 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only
< 1548789188 11597 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that has a one hour turnaround
< 1548789198 554365 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get my verified numbers in our hour from now
< 1548789229 326452 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can I? how fast are blocks these days, and how many block do I have to wait in practice?
< 1548789326 365715 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you need to wait any blocks
< 1548789327 182949 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, isn't a single block still possible to tamper with with a non-vanishing chance if I have enough computing power, so that, say, I can buy a large botnet and have 1/1000 chance of my prediction to go my way, and then do 1000 proofs one of which seems to prove whatever I want?
< 1548789338 26711 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that seems unlikely to me, for bitcoin at least
< 1548789342 611915 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal here is not to prevent double spend
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< 1548789347 699644 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess
< 1548789353 168526 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still bad if a block gets kicked out of the chain later
< 1548789357 83449 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you've used it as a rng
< 1548789389 185357 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if you have enough compute power you could cherry-pick transactions in order to have some control over the block hash, but you couldn't control all 256 bits feasibly
< 1548789397 426392 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to extract a low amount of entropy per block
< 1548789407 119570 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, these are just some off the cuff thoughts not having thought about it deeply
< 1548789592 483523 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, bitcoin blocks are one per 10 minutes, so one hour might be a bit too short but the idea doesn't seem unrealistic at least
< 1548789644 470415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could work if I don't insist on hourly
< 1548789660 62469 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bitcoin is much less often closed for days than stock markets
< 1548789695 843249 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading that mob-run illegal lotteries back in the day would use the stock market closing price
< 1548789746 615529 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: do you know about non-interactive zero knowledge proofs?
< 1548789763 441392 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also involve agreed-on methods for producing 'nothing up my sleeve' randomness
< 1548789968 834400 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ueiiatouwhvricdt JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548790008 973925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you like the Fiat-Shamir heuristic?
< 1548790011 719435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tg
< 1548790025 224438 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that
< 1548790043 182148 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: um, as far as I know, zero knowledge is different, and the proof I want isn't (necessarily) zero-knowledge. it might be zero-knowledge, but that's somewhat orthogonal to what I want.
< 1548790062 537844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing where you hash your input to get challenges for your ZKP prover.
< 1548790063 906578 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes but it might have a similar component
< 1548790105 891534 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: traditional ZKP's are interactive protocols where the challenger provides randomness, but you can make them noninteractive by providing an algorithm for the prover to generate randomness, which the challenger can verify isn't cooked somehow
< 1548790109 942153 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what shachaf just said
< 1548790113 270954 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how secure is that one?
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< 1548790131 869352 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, zero-knowledge usually means a non-transferable proof, one where I have a target and I prove something to them based on data they give, but they can't prove to anyone that I proved that thing to them because anyone else could believe that they chose the right data
< 1548790138 670084 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of the opposite of what I want
< 1548790140 824005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell it's great.
< 1548790158 340880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I invented it and then found out it was a standard thing.
< 1548790162 500929 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, I am not saying that what you have is a zero knowledge proof system
< 1548790165 512061 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you might want to ask ##crypto too
< 1548790173 81573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blockchain people don't use it because they don't like Fiat.
< 1548790190 454021 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think I see what you mean. what I perform, other than getting the verifiable randomness itself, is sort of a zero-knowledge proof
< 1548790206 331622 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that I can rely on that the input data itself isn't manipulated
< 1548790220 829481 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not too big of a difference, you can bridge that gap with a crypto commitment
< 1548790273 770047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think kmc just means "ZKPs use randomness, you use randomness, let's all get along hth"
< 1548790281 698977 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look up lotteries, there are probably some well-known long-lived ones drawn more often than once a week on the west of the wall
< 1548790307 174013 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hopefully not ones like we have here that take breaks on certain days of a year
< 1548790320 335136 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean what the heck? why would you close a _lottery_ for a holiday?
< 1548790419 473054 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf> This is tricky. => fully agree
> 1548790585 560379 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Difficult14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59520 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+260) 10Some "missing characteristics"?
< 1548790846 873046 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I probably want something with the stock market, not lottery
< 1548790862 538439 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how the stock market works, but I can probably find out from the internet
< 1548790873 385769 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem with the stock market is that I hear sometimes they close for days
< 1548790886 627892 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the closing is often not even planned
< 1548790893 377999 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus they have planned closures for holidays
< 1548790903 619753 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and closures every night for several hours
< 1548790907 793630 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it's better than nothing
< 1548791014 818733 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kjm: I don't think that hashing multiple blocks helps. all blocks depend on all the previous blocks as far as I know, so if I can generate one block with my own info, then at that point I know the previous blocks, so I can make the entire hash to come out the way I want.
< 1548791048 613490 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a similar reason, hashing wikipedia edits or IRC lines can't work, because I can take the last edit or the last line of the given period
< 1548791072 478823 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets a bit tricky because of lag, mind you
< 1548791078 211631 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b l o c k c h a i n
< 1548791079 881938 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still possible
< 1548791100 732464 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm not sure I understand the security model here. is it bad if others can predict in advance the randomness used for a given proof?
< 1548791156 366060 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if "others" can predict in advance, then I can't prove that I'm not one of those "others"
< 1548791159 366804 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, it's bad
< 1548791165 967063 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1548791176 516463 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you prove your identity separately? like with a digital signature
< 1548791188 212731 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless that "others" thing is a really well trusted third party, but those things don't exist
< 1548791190 596464 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we need a better description of the overall problem
< 1548791195 607488 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, maybe we should take this to ##crypto
< 1548791198 728810 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some very knowledgable people there
< 1548791209 743361 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here too
< 1548791479 409585 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riastradh isn't here :)
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< 1548791966 499516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: me reading an article nominally about ZKPs and then it suddenly starts talking about blockchains: https://blog.openai.com/content/images/2017/04/low_res_maybe_faster.gif
< 1548792005 527152 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1548792542 519499 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait, how often does Trump tweet, and how reliable is the best pre-trained model that tells what's tweeted by him and what by his campaign manager?
< 1548792543 964087 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: couldn't you achieve the thing by using a standard psuedo-random alogrithim, with a verified distribution, and use a real world source of randomness to provide a seed in the future?
< 1548792597 17616 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: yes, the hard part is the real world source of randomness. I know about cryptographically secure digest that can shuffle the seed so I get a uniform distribution no matter what distribution the input has, if it has enough entropy
> 1548792598 217516 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Difficult14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59521&oldid=59520 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+317) 10moar
< 1548792640 592137 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: the question is what's the real world source that has the properties I listed above, verifable long in the future, releasing enough bits approximately every hour, and provably impossible to tamper
< 1548792692 229225 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I only wanted a turnaround of about one week, then certain lotteries would work
< 1548792710 599063 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want something with shorter wait time, and ideally a bit more entropy, though I can mix two lotteries to get enough entropy
< 1548792722 121922 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way, stock market or blockchain, you could still have some influence over each, or be accused of it. Isn't the only protection against that sort of thing by publishing your method and allowing others to reproduce using any comparable source of randomness of their own?
< 1548792739 325535 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: I am publishing my method in advance, that's the point
< 1548792760 351780 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the question is, what tamper-proof input should the method use?
< 1548792777 80792 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stock market is likely close to the answer, I just don't know enough details about it
< 1548792781 41388 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: how bad is random.org?
< 1548792783 547011 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your peers are an unbiased(?) random source
< 1548792800 784113 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: random.org doesn't provide verifiable (logged in the long term) random numbers as far as I know
< 1548792804 116846 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let me recheck
< 1548792839 493016 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope it would be at least of some use
< 1548792863 320001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There's no standard stock market that is open every hour as far as I know.
< 1548792887 950247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forex is the closest but it stil closes for a couple of hours a week, I think.
< 1548792889 797342 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it can be a combination of multiple stock markets, and even if I can't literally get what I'm asking for, I'd like at least an approximation
< 1548792909 98301 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: even if you give me a method that works any time except Christmas, that would be useful
< 1548792913 481975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't know that there's a canonical hourly price. Though you might be able to figure out something.
< 1548793033 852489 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... random.org says they do provide verified random numbers, but only as a paid service https://www.random.org/draws/
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< 1548793065 895665 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work
< 1548793112 452641 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it doesn't need to be "canonical", in the sense that I can publish the exact method in advance, but that method has to be clearly impossible to tamper with
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< 1548793158 26981 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no good
< 1548793175 782023 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the random.org payed service deliberately provides very little entropy
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< 1548793245 316383 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunspot data, or some other large scale scientific data source that is logged? Might not be very random, but there could be enough in the precision for a seed?
< 1548793268 596466 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5 USD per bit... could be worth for an important enough proof, but I'd prefer a lower price
< 1548793293 7992 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone probably has sun activity hourly
< 1548793295 217929 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: oh, that could work
< 1548793300 669832 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :NASA releases astronomical data
< 1548793306 834014 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don't think it has a one hour turnaround
< 1548793309 418155 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's more lag
< 1548793345 973494 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, it's not easy to prove that I'm not working there hiding "copyright bits" in their data
< 1548793370 773829 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, bits that are such low order that they are effectively noise, not verifiable astronomical data 
< 1548793394 179601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, that's not a bad idea, might perhaps work
< 1548793418 831855 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be interesting to investigate what kind of sources like that exist. On earth metereological might be too easy to "predict"
< 1548793443 628419 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1548793453 840120 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with meteorology is the same, I could be working at the computer tech of the meteorological institute whose data I use
< 1548793473 308917 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to prove that I don't work there, nor do any of my friends
< 1548793489 494606 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :friends in a wide enough sense
< 1548793543 825309 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, meteorological data archives are guarded behind paywalls, they're usually not easy to verify two decades later
< 1548793547 840701 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it probably won't work
< 1548793553 544354 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :NASA might actually be better
< 1548793615 573313 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: blockchain sounds like by far the best solution here, why do you keep dismissing it
< 1548793616 343778 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lottery or stock market would be the best, because there enough money is riding on enough bits that even a friend probably can't modify the bits the way they want
< 1548793634 828723 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm not dismissing it, I'm just not convinced that it works, I'd like more details than just "blockchain"
< 1548793638 605528 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1548793666 826226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo invent a blockchain specifically for randomness
< 1548793669 141047 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it actually sound relevant here, unlike in some of the dozen things where "blockchain" is used as a marketing word
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< 1548793716 447027 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: or found my own country that isn't destroyed by a war for decades and has a state lottery every hour
< 1548793717 878307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every hour, everyone can submit commitments to integers, and the results are all xored together.
< 1548793732 581802 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what's wrong with taking the most recent bitcoin block hash
< 1548793748 721613 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it can be influenced somewhat, but can you counter that by using fewer bits, somehow?
< 1548793782 398034 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm. how do you get it popular enough though, to make enough people interested and committed to run it on their computers?
< 1548793803 735460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need that many people.
< 1548793824 317251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each participant can submit their own data if they don't trust it.
< 1548793828 474984 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if one of these old distributed computing projects that search for Mersenne-primes or signals from space or protein folding happens to provide this as a side effect
< 1548793834 899311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the use of this thing anyway?
< 1548793841 698129 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: see logs above
< 1548793894 514057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it.
< 1548793899 325356 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but I'd have to convince people that it's worth first, make it one of the few protocols that are really ran by many people, rather than one that's abandonned and a year from now nobody will know that anyone but my friends have even ran it
< 1548793904 388016 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that I couldn't really fake it
< 1548793906 850518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the "for making a nothing-in-my-sleeve proof" bit.
< 1548793914 372632 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that, yes
< 1548793923 250696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that seems to underspecify it.
< 1548793929 261436 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to give an example
< 1548794287 65873 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... you might be right, it's not so easy to give a convincing example without also giving a solution
< 1548794297 577592 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I'm thinking
< 1548795346 85372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie https://esolangs.org/logs/2016-06-09.html#lNl leads me to the wrong message in IE, although the correct one is colored. checking the source shows that i'm actually going to #lnl, IE's anchors are case insensitive.
< 1548795346 566488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1548795558 29080 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think I can give a fictional example that works if I want one day of lag in the randomness. I think I can't really argue that I need as little as one hour of lag.
< 1548795562 711776 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: would that work?
< 1548795613 520295 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably possible to get verifiably hard to tamper randomness from stock markets, or by combining multiple lotteries that draw on different days
< 1548795706 159799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie trying to google seems to imply there's some html 4 vs 5 thing involved
< 1548795706 630144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1548796114 280853 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what are you ACTUALLY trying to do
< 1548796139 591538 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nothing yet, I'm just thinking about this as an exercise
< 1548796164 110139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shannon
< 1548796165 407657 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shannon forbade non mathematically minded people from reading his resarch papers. Taneb invented Shannon, his research papers, and Shannon's prohibition.
< 1548796201 867310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd shannon//s,resa,resea,
< 1548796208 865993 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shannon//Shannon forbade non mathematically minded people from reading his research papers. Taneb invented Shannon, his research papers, and Shannon's prohibition.
< 1548796221 588786 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great, you're fixing that
< 1548796243 496573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Taneb did not invent correct spelling )
< 1548796443 112462 :salpynx!7695ffc7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.149.255.199 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548796638 500094 :salpynx!7695ffc7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.149.255.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something "blockchain" could work, depending on a clever algorithm and what the actual requirements, but seems to me that for any specifed hour you could automate some kind of influence into the 'randomness', which depending on the goal and how important it is to you, you could do. Feels like there is still room for sleeve hiding with blockchain 
< 1548796676 74929 :salpynx!7695ffc7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.149.255.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fictional example would be interesting though to see
< 1548796682 752253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb  How does cwlprits handle people with single-character nicks? <-- it lets them have the mess they deserve hth
< 1548796683 115574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1548796749 586548 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: there definitely is
< 1548796756 480115 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a question of how much influence you can have vs. effort
< 1548796759 834025 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether that can be made practical
< 1548796760 651745 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1548796793 311122 :salpynx!7695ffc7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.149.255.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: another idea I just had: micro-quake data combined / averaged from multiple independent sources globally, to remove posdibilty that you work at the sole data source. Should be frequent, and have multiple confirmations fir same events
< 1548796834 665720 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I go setting off nuclear bombs to create artificial quakes and influence the data?
< 1548796837 671424 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THEN??
< 1548796843 7083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1548796867 357788 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: I certainly don't know enough about who measures and publishes micro-quake data and how to tell if that can work
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< 1548796930 56429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered LIGO and VIRGO data
< 1548796942 970564 :salpynx!7695ffc7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.149.255.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hrm, that's pretty much my argument against blockchain :( At least the nuclear tampering is mire noticable than blockchain manipulation?
< 1548796953 766225 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, now that's interesting. I'll have to look up how that's published
< 1548796965 195103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure myself
< 1548797011 196566 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps there's GPS data that is definite and logged
< 1548797031 72812 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, data of the GPS satellites and network itself
< 1548797039 416267 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548797042 266765 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that stuff that the GPS satellites themselves broadcast
< 1548797042 567482 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but satellites are mostly predictable
< 1548797060 801480 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's not a problem
< 1548797086 336248 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1548797092 375325 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know how all that GPS stuff works
< 1548797111 298440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess LIGO and VIRGO also have the problem of long downtime periods. although that might get better with more detectors.
< 1548797114 450525 :salpynx!7695ffc7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.149.255.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, the sudden outbreak of global nuclear war on the very hour if your "randomness proof" invalidates tour results. Please try again...
< 1548797144 487943 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: er, I thought the whole point was to have globally agreed random numbers that can't be predicted in advance
< 1548797168 147194 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, but I mean, I think there's probably enough randomness in the GPS satellite data, as in, they're not too predicatble for this
< 1548797183 747566 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure it's broadcast in a single version and logged long time properly
< 1548797202 464919 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbital mechanics is pretty predictable
< 1548797509 145652 :salpynx!7695ffc7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.149.255.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1548799130 31283 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the ideas, I might think or look up more about these
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< 1548803139 108118 :TheKing01!80bb7411@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello all!
< 1548803145 837762 :TheKing01!80bb7411@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything fun your working on?
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< 1548804713 309575 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548804753 748337 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi imode.
< 1548804806 208417 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi TheKing01.
< 1548804951 388408 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone working on anything fun?
< 1548805114 366958 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548805156 440895 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not esolang related
< 1548805161 286102 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm learning about ham radio antennas
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< 1548805255 88306 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1548805269 305006 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool.
< 1548805283 390452 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think you mean not esolang related *yet*.
< 1548805294 335889 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on the correspondance between networks of queue automata and physical fields.
< 1548805313 4891 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1548805324 256092 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that could be interesting
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< 1548805650 767521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to do my first work-blessed open source thing, which was fun enough, but it's not going to be esolang-related now or later.
< 1548805663 54013 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie 
< 1548805674 327190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
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< 1548805691 768564 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new?
< 1548805693 738340 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1548805789 472407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not much. Had I already moved to London when you were still around here? 
< 1548805795 319946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, well, I moved to London.
< 1548805808 569898 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've talked about it in #trains a few times
< 1548805815 791965 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like it?
< 1548805857 621738 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548805859 633355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The average is positive. Cycling infrastructure could be better, and Brexit's a big mess. But there's a lot going on, and less snow.
< 1548805883 4950 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1548805917 666219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1548806050 594099 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what you could just if you just had something that reads into a JIT buffer and executes it
< 1548806066 338652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We got a UK hosting/VPS company to sponsor the wiki machine (and #esolangs logs + HackEso), that's kind of new.
< 1548806077 259355 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1548806152 283250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It used to be on Gregor's shady one-time-fee "Cloud at Cost" box, which was So Flaky.)
< 1548806173 462347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1548806184 618123 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it a short bug report to an open source project that you're depending on at work, without a patch?
< 1548806270 721080 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, that probably wouldn't require a blessing
< 1548806274 962744 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a fun idea for an irc related esolang. We have one which uses IRC syntax and one which uses IRC users. How about one that you program over IRC?
< 1548806294 594794 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're working under a very strict non-disclosure agreement...
< 1548806303 153877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: No, it's something standalone I whittled together on my spare time, I just released it under the company copyright because I don't really care, and the review for that is faster than the review for getting a decision that they don't own it.
< 1548806307 447366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: https://opensource.google.com/projects/nano-exporter
< 1548806342 784140 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1548806530 778560 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue NICK :Hooloovo0
< 1548806571 502394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Aw, that's sucky. I could convert the anchors not to rely on case, but the whole point of them was to be permalinks, and that would invalidate all existing ones.
< 1548806614 113616 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: by the way, are you working under such an NDA that doesn't allow you to tell your friends whether you're working in the pharma research division or the military research division?
< 1548806624 800121 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, I imagine
< 1548806640 56247 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you could make the language like Muriel by having it reprogram itself.
< 1548806650 110906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Not as far as I know, but I'm no legal expert and it's not like I've had a look at my employment contract since starting.
< 1548806662 326350 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd know if you were
< 1548806679 546388 :unc00l!~uncool@92.red-83-36-102.dynamicip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548806706 73088 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've met someone who could explicitly tell that they were working on something related to the Chrome browser, and someone who was under such a strict NDA that they couldn't tell what they were working on
< 1548806717 695443 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think both kinds of jobs exist at Google
< 1548806727 920682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Chrome's open source, all the commits are out there in public. It'd be hard to hide that.
< 1548806746 425343 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah
< 1548806795 197674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten the impression that I can mention I'm working on the Android search app, which is pretty benign, modulo all those concerns about consumer choice and whatnot that are well outside my scope.
< 1548806859 581405 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know
< 1548806918 758867 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a logic programming language where you get kicked if you add a contradiction.
< 1548806963 718336 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter just closes on you lmao.
< 1548806967 901242 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm out, later B."
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< 1548807050 824147 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it would kick you from this IRC channel.
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< 1548807100 339186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheKing01: are you familiar with the Vigil language
< 1548807178 588040 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just looked it up. Looks funny.
< 1548807353 220229 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we got any bots here?
< 1548807379 458967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you see any bots?
< 1548807379 777646 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have, the loss fnord report may have missed the point, bisphosphonates, and i would be more than happy, to debate the government have
< 1548807409 6405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bots
< 1548807410 193618 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bots? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1548807422 187434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` prefixes # that's a little like a bot list
< 1548807424 378364 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .
< 1548807432 896045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be a little stale.
< 1548807439 499845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tiny bit
< 1548807485 772491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1548807514 69484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd prefixes//s,Ego,Eso,
< 1548807515 904573 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prefixes//Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .
< 1548807535 611417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show prefixes
< 1548807535 651135 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .)S
< 1548807571 925065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def prefixes ul (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .)S
< 1548807572 5350 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1548807581 439083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a happy coincidence those parens go that way.
< 1548807608 466492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, i explicitly suggested jconn use ) just to get it that way
< 1548807644 472026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that i used bf_txtgen
< 1548807659 226447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^save ?)
< 1548807699 371153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save
< 1548807699 597844 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1548807708 582934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1548807761 304886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that bf_txtgen + the ^str commands. awkward times.
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< 1548807918 754275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
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< 1548807979 442549 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^deadfish i;
< 1548808181 390834 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google has a pharma research division?
< 1548808213 411662 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly would _not_ be surprised.
< 1548808234 816838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verily if it counts.
< 1548808245 889258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a separate bet now, though.
< 1548808324 818049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_(company) as well.
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< 1548809020 972404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :calico cats are tg
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> 1548815945 165369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Template:Frac14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59522 5* 03Cortex 5* (+37) 10Created page with "{{{1}}}/{{{2}}}"
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> 1548818419 715587 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072/9 of an esolang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59523 5* 03Cortex 5* (+1340) 10Created page with "'''2/9 of an esolang''' is an esolang made by [[User:Cortex|]] in order to make doing anything relatively easy, but long-winded and inconvenient.  == Syntax == Every line of c..."
> 1548818469 44685 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Cortex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59524&oldid=59445 5* 03Cortex 5* (+52) 10
> 1548818522 624411 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59525&oldid=59355 5* 03Cortex 5* (+51) 10
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< 1548821103 251530 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1548823186 337567 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ueiiatouwhvricdt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
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> 1548827432 145281 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072/9 of an esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59526&oldid=59523 5* 03Ais523 5* (+319) 10how can I resist an invitation like that? I picked two instructions which probably make the language TC (although I haven't actually checked if they do), and have clear but long-winded uses in translating more normal code
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> 1548831145 818846 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59527&oldid=59519 5* 03A 5* (+542) 10/* Hello World! */
> 1548831371 545030 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59528&oldid=59527 5* 03A 5* (+233) 10/* Control structures */
> 1548831520 475046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59529&oldid=59528 5* 03A 5* (+157) 10/* Goto statement */
> 1548831734 17744 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59530&oldid=59529 5* 03A 5* (+336) 10/* while */
> 1548832010 778164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59531&oldid=59530 5* 03A 5* (+223) 10/* =for loop */
> 1548832213 365694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59532&oldid=59531 5* 03A 5* (+212) 10/* Setting variables */
> 1548832917 854769 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59533&oldid=59532 5* 03A 5* (+425) 10/* Turing-completeness */
> 1548832932 18457 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59534&oldid=59533 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Turing-completeness */
> 1548833147 457151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59535&oldid=59534 5* 03A 5* (+224) 10/* do..while and do..until loop */
> 1548833178 472570 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59536&oldid=59535 5* 03A 5* (+29) 10/* Turing-completeness */
> 1548833218 562120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59537&oldid=59536 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10/* Turing-completeness */
> 1548833535 254694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59538&oldid=59537 5* 03A 5* (+187) 10
> 1548834087 244023 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59539&oldid=59538 5* 03A 5* (+566) 10/* Functions */
> 1548834225 630689 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59540&oldid=59539 5* 03A 5* (+236) 10/* Functions */
> 1548834250 455609 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59541&oldid=59540 5* 03A 5* (+33) 10/* Turing-completeness */
< 1548834428 283465 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-034-085.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
> 1548834660 895962 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59542&oldid=59541 5* 03A 5* (+459) 10/* Functions */
< 1548834827 390137 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
> 1548834838 806877 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59543&oldid=59542 5* 03A 5* (+121) 10/* Setting variables */
> 1548835132 606179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59544&oldid=59543 5* 03A 5* (+512) 10/* Objects */
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> 1548835349 302791 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59545&oldid=59544 5* 03A 5* (+358) 10/* The powerful "thing" library */
> 1548839778 656936 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59546&oldid=59545 5* 03A 5* (+131) 10/* The powerful "thing" library */
> 1548839947 211539 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59547&oldid=59546 5* 03A 5* (+211) 10/* Other operators */
> 1548840049 752031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59548&oldid=59547 5* 03A 5* (+84) 10/* Other operators */
> 1548840128 371126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59549&oldid=59548 5* 03A 5* (+55) 10/* Other operators */
> 1548840328 277833 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59550&oldid=59521 5* 03A 5* (+49) 10
> 1548840434 800921 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59551&oldid=59550 5* 03A 5* (+93) 10Add something
> 1548840497 143014 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59552&oldid=59551 5* 03A 5* (+26) 10
> 1548840536 334032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59553&oldid=59552 5* 03A 5* (+18) 10
> 1548840579 547103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59554&oldid=59549 5* 03A 5* (+4) 10commenting is better.
> 1548840665 773452 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59555&oldid=59554 5* 03A 5* (+79) 10
> 1548840941 384962 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59556&oldid=59555 5* 03A 5* (+201) 10/* Macros */
> 1548840949 244754 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59557&oldid=59556 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* =Dynamic macros */
> 1548841099 694325 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59558&oldid=59553 5* 03A 5* (-135) 10
> 1548841731 332642 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59559&oldid=59557 5* 03A 5* (+257) 10/* Documentation */
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> 1548843586 978251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59560&oldid=59559 5* 03A 5* (+375) 10Add an undone list
> 1548843894 793238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59561&oldid=59560 5* 03A 5* (+4) 10/* Undone list */
> 1548844038 950493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59562&oldid=59561 5* 03A 5* (-15) 10
> 1548844056 374718 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59563&oldid=59562 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Hello World! */
> 1548844192 701560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59564&oldid=59563 5* 03A 5* (+135) 10/* Hello World! */
> 1548844234 355503 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59565&oldid=59564 5* 03A 5* (+28) 10/* Unfinished list */
> 1548844303 605223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59566&oldid=59565 5* 03A 5* (+24) 10/* Unfinished list */
> 1548844326 849684 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59567&oldid=59566 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Unfinished list */
> 1548844520 696467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59568&oldid=59567 5* 03A 5* (+158) 10/* The powerful "thing" library */
> 1548844559 494547 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59569&oldid=59568 5* 03A 5* (+12) 10/* Unfinished list */
> 1548844753 703940 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59570&oldid=59569 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* Self-modification */
> 1548845761 56110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59571&oldid=59570 5* 03A 5* (-169) 10/* The powerful "thing" library */
> 1548845779 954542 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59572&oldid=59571 5* 03A 5* (-10) 10/* The powerful "thing" library */
> 1548846310 711462 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59573&oldid=59572 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Other operators */
> 1548846635 620299 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59574&oldid=59573 5* 03A 5* (+126) 10/* Self-modification */
> 1548846669 102835 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59575&oldid=59574 5* 03A 5* (+12) 10/* Unfinished list */
> 1548847003 355826 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59576&oldid=59575 5* 03A 5* (+171) 10/* Objects */
> 1548847148 937844 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59577&oldid=59492 5* 03A 5* (+69) 10/* Decimal */
> 1548847282 804814 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59578&oldid=59066 5* 03A 5* (+77) 10/* CopyPasta Language */
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< 1548847462 189334 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: IIRC the trick wasn't that jconn would use that parenthesis, it already did, but that you kept jconn in that list even when its hoster no longer ran it
> 1548847640 261528 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59579&oldid=59576 5* 03A 5* (+50) 10/* Setting variables */
> 1548847956 529687 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59580&oldid=59579 5* 03A 5* (+70) 10/* Setting variables */
> 1548847975 417847 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59581&oldid=59580 5* 03A 5* (+17) 10/* Other operators */
< 1548847999 525508 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190129.html
< 1548848000 267070 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190129.html: b_jonas
> 1548848214 813608 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59582&oldid=59581 5* 03A 5* (+31) 10/* Other operators */
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> 1548848587 580878 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59583&oldid=59578 5* 03A 5* (+553) 10/* Code pointer */
> 1548848599 236994 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59584&oldid=59583 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* =Difficult */
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> 1548849050 451246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59585&oldid=59295 5* 03A 5* (+354) 10/* Deadfish */
> 1548849111 37691 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59586&oldid=59584 5* 03A 5* (+84) 10/* Difficult */
> 1548849461 161113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59587&oldid=59491 5* 03A 5* (+169) 10/* Definer */
> 1548849522 983008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59588&oldid=59587 5* 03A 5* (+53) 10/* Difficult */
> 1548849585 295505 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59589&oldid=59588 5* 03A 5* (+111) 10/* Difficult */
> 1548849655 962225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59590&oldid=59586 5* 03A 5* (+6) 10/* Difficult */
> 1548849708 360884 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59591&oldid=59582 5* 03A 5* (+60) 10/* The powerful "thing" library */
> 1548849756 163981 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59592&oldid=59590 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10Problems in my own code again
> 1548849984 653600 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59593&oldid=59591 5* 03A 5* (+47) 10/* Unfinished list */
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> 1548850887 702879 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59594&oldid=59593 5* 03A 5* (+27) 10
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> 1548851080 987701 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59595&oldid=59594 5* 03A 5* (-78) 10No way to cheat now
> 1548851220 423742 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59596&oldid=59595 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* Turing-completeness */
> 1548851269 677857 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59597&oldid=59596 5* 03A 5* (+25) 10/* Instruction encipherment/decipherment */
> 1548851320 593700 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59598&oldid=59597 5* 03A 5* (+49) 10/* Instruction encipherment/decipherment */
> 1548851358 524423 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59599&oldid=59598 5* 03A 5* (-179) 10/* Unfinished list */
> 1548851579 545249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59600&oldid=59599 5* 03A 5* (+118) 10/* Unfinished list */
> 1548852006 94197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59601&oldid=59600 5* 03A 5* (+183) 10/* If-else if-else statement */
> 1548852387 811757 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59602&oldid=59601 5* 03A 5* (+211) 10/* for loop */
> 1548852567 236168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59603&oldid=59602 5* 03A 5* (+134) 10/* Loop constructs */
> 1548852659 422597 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59604&oldid=59603 5* 03A 5* (+43) 10/* Hello World! */
> 1548852693 781281 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59605&oldid=59604 5* 03A 5* (+25) 10/* The powerful "thing" library */
> 1548852734 36458 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59606&oldid=59605 5* 03A 5* (+35) 10/* The powerful "thing" library */
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> 1548856577 77781 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59607&oldid=59606 5* 03A 5* (+252) 10/* Control structures */
> 1548856652 567586 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59608&oldid=59607 5* 03A 5* (+58) 10/* The powerful "thing" library */
> 1548856687 816907 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59609&oldid=59589 5* 03A 5* (-109) 10/* Difficult */
> 1548856731 850010 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59610&oldid=59608 5* 03A 5* (-118) 10/* Implementations */
< 1548859277 212829 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548859277 292915 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/ravnica-allegiance-oracle-changes-2019-01-22 YES!
< 1548859568 131031 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548859691 321056 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548859856 586324 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1548862964 192498 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman XV
< 1548862964 853398 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :15
< 1548863108 671816 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman IL
< 1548863109 538937 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1548863113 196242 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good bot
< 1548863165 267533 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1548863188 555444 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` toroman <<< 16
< 1548863189 467855 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1548863211 582199 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` toroman "$[1+$(fromroman XV)]"
< 1548863212 373843 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :XVI
< 1548864027 453773 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 110*12*0.0254
< 1548864028 137390 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: 33.528
> 1548864208 891678 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cthulhu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59611&oldid=59303 5* 03Joshop 5* (-47) 10
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< 1548873572 624972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548877034 366001 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the best way to create a new programming paradigm?
< 1548877079 258327 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548877247 301976 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1548877722 860210 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548878369 151690 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :build a time machine and go back to the 50s
< 1548878680 109850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm missing some tricks for writing C code that doesn't use general-purpose allocators.
< 1548878700 241068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I read about that sort of thing?
< 1548878751 827963 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of code?
< 1548878762 860534 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want to read guides on embedded programming
< 1548878773 381060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, all kinds.
< 1548878780 335278 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :often dynamic allocation is not allowed at all
< 1548878792 868047 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :static ring buffers are useful
< 1548878800 971418 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LRU caches
< 1548878814 56266 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :skip arrays?
< 1548878820 288118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :static allocation is p. good
< 1548878824 281420 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1548878827 638935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And arenas and things
< 1548878835 621136 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as good as not needing memory at all
< 1548878836 709865 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1548878867 152827 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have to do something that requires dynamic allocation, but a bounded amount, you can use a statically or stack allocated arena
< 1548878872 236201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a situation like a tree where nodes can have a varying number of children?
< 1548878875 460432 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bonus is you don't need to free anything
< 1548878880 624725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most nodes have few children but some could have a lot.
< 1548878933 206794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like the trick of using an arena as a stack where you can push and pop frames (but with different lifetimes from the call stack).
< 1548878949 419188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are skip arrays?
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< 1548880268 873903 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's a thing?
< 1548880276 461523 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe only skip lists are a thing
< 1548880289 297082 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can use array indices instead of pointers
< 1548880292 328686 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general
< 1548880312 420430 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arena as stack sounds like it would be very hazardous in C
< 1548880504 477705 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548880537 967560 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can always statically allocate a block of memory to hold a tree. you'd just have a set amount of nodes you could mark as used.
< 1548880617 644366 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd always want to impose a maximum on the number of children a particular node could have. the only technique that you use is allocating a "reasonable maximum" ahead of time.
< 1548880630 201728 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding that maximum takes analysis.
< 1548880747 584402 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :a particular node could be `struct node { uint32_t data; uint32_t children[16]; }`
< 1548880763 309485 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also have a pointer to the parent "pool" of nodes that it comes from.
< 1548880803 900672 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :`struct node_pool { struct node nodes[1024]; }; struct node { uint32_t data; uint32_t children[16]; }`
< 1548880806 21361 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: struct: not found
< 1548880809 789491 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, sorry.
< 1548880868 688025 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :traversal then "looks" like you're dealing with pointers, so your algorithms are the same. but it's also far more useful due to data locality: if you use multiple pools and the pools are reasonably sized to fit your processor's cache, then operations over your trees will be very fast.
< 1548881170 612232 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also have ways to deal with multiple sizes of node
< 1548881177 302200 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a flag that says "this node is a continuation of the previous"
< 1548881185 825682 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course when you make things more complex like this, it starts to resemble a general allocator
< 1548881297 289144 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. but that's kind of the point: in lieu of using the system allocator, you'd probably just write your own if you need those kinds of patterns.
< 1548881334 329612 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the practicality of writing your own: domain specific allocators are good for domain specific access patterns.
< 1548881469 160322 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slab_allocation
< 1548881606 206005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why would it be hazardous?
< 1548881625 575827 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe no more hazardous than regular malloc
< 1548881632 462999 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have two different separately managed stacks
< 1548881637 297468 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a recipe for use-after-free
< 1548881686 411950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you need to keep track of lifetimes, but you need to do that anyway, and in general things should be be easier to keep track of.
< 1548881711 885309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An obvious use is something like sprintf which can just print to the arena.
< 1548881778 99532 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer all my state to be global. put your constraints on your access patterns, rather than on your modeling patterns.
< 1548882133 457387 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1548882775 881776 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like post quantum crypto?
< 1548882793 197068 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://csrc.nist.gov/projects/post-quantum-cryptography/round-2-submissions some interesting algorithms
< 1548883005 589233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548883012 451506 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do
< 1548883054 215467 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1548883059 210008 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they all code- or lattice-based?
< 1548883112 302967 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite pq crypto algorithm is lamport signatures :)
< 1548883114 836762 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so simple!
< 1548883291 321931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know you can make a thing based on Lamport signatures that works for 2^128 or however many uses you want?
< 1548883412 656783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately they're still pretty large.
< 1548883537 221776 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1548883552 354395 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using merkle trees?
< 1548883666 552943 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548883907 599019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1548884010 410718 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the signatures themselves are long
< 1548884014 456230 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the key is still short, right?
< 1548884050 148601 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, no, that's not right
< 1548884057 117807 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1548884062 669171 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have forgotten most of what I knew about crypto :(
< 1548884066 250591 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least paged it out to cold storage
< 1548884752 50040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all about 04b08l09o11c12k13c04h08a09i11n nowadays hth
< 1548884765 22531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good news is you don't need to know anything to participate
< 1548884811 774109 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
> 1548885066 903117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eodermdrome14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59612&oldid=51766 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+211) 10add example links
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< 1548886556 971778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define struct(name) typedef struct name name; struct name
< 1548886599 293458 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how 'bout not
< 1548886616 965090 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do
< 1548886625 637363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1548886625 734898 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct foo_s { ... } foo;
< 1548886647 911519 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can use types like 'struct foo_s *' in the body of the definition, and 'foo *' everywhere else
< 1548886654 423480 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1548886656 90448 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use C++ :D
< 1548886917 642604 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-19.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think the standards forbid you to define a macro whose name is a keyword of the language
< 1548886935 460754 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-19.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then preprocessors do accept it, so it might not matter
< 1548887364 902971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, STRUCT
< 1548887448 578361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like scow++
< 1548887502 596719 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcehbybvusuxld.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548887768 845547 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00002b7c585e74f399.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548887866 4169 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the COMEFROM/CALLFROM equivalent of first-class functions?
< 1548888519 649723 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.30 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548888693 491354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: shachaf: You are allowed to have macros lexically identical to keywords, you just can't have any of them defined at the time when you include a standard header or expand any macro defined in a standard header. C11 7.1.2p4.
< 1548888919 322105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, even better
< 1548889054 725763 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-19.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok
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< 1548889984 908325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: What do you think of this linear Prolog thing?
< 1548890568 740076 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed PART :#esoteric
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< 1548893085 492429 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@128.187.116.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that?
< 1548893837 494560 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;wa time in santa clara
< 1548895490 88710 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one seems to want a forth with types
< 1548895498 144467 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :static types I mean
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> 1548897323 336869 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59615&oldid=59614 5* 03A 5* (-50) 10That is enough.
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< 1548898149 144922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Also I want to know about writing C APIs that don't use malloc, which seems like a more generally important thing.
< 1548898160 520761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may have talked about that before.
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> 1548900676 80734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59629&oldid=59628 5* 03A 5* (+63) 10/* The "thing" library */
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< 1548901771 40921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a language where the maximum amount of stack space used by a procedure is known?
< 1548901791 142706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it wouldn't allow unbounded recursion, but unbounded recursion is bad anyway.
< 1548902569 274751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, gcc has -fstack-usage, which is something.
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< 1548902606 560206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I'd want it available as a constexpr, not post-compilation data.
< 1548903088 47643 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( oh guys it seems A is seriously serious about that lang :D )
< 1548903164 901557 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I did mean not what he wrote of “dynamic macros”, I meant first-class macros modifiable at runtime)
< 1548903241 996935 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(will they be able to implement it also… and with using subpages for the code, if it wouldn’t be stored somewhere else)
< 1548903380 60303 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hopefully the wiki won’t collapse on itself from that) oh okay it’s not that interesting at all
< 1548903604 578506 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm suppose we have an infinite graph placed on a plane or another euclidean space, and we have a particle in each vertex
< 1548903698 290028 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then pick some direction, and move each particle to the adjacent vertex closest in direction to the one picked
< 1548903763 5959 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the graph is infinite, we could have countably many directions to distinguish, so could this setting be interesting in dynamics?
< 1548903915 532274 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the sake of computation, one could assign various actions to various particle mergers, also we could arrange particles only in several vertices, and not in all as I have previously suggested
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< 1548904000 431624 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/all/them all
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< 1548904255 118877 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we may forbid moving a particle if it could only move “against the flow”, as when it have ended up in a vertex with only an edge going up, and we picked to go down
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< 1548904330 812267 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel I’m writing particularly ungrammatical today, sorry
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< 1548908996 695345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.talchas.net/tape.c -- Turing machine in C using varargs
< 1548909000 733568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is great.
< 1548909017 186994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 http://www.talchas.net/tape.c
< 1548909017 482522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
> 1548909018 928236 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59633&oldid=59316 5* 03A 5* (+978) 10New idea
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> 1548909106 586275 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59634&oldid=59633 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10terrible grammar
> 1548909168 920792 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59635&oldid=59634 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10Final fix
< 1548909185 149446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome j4cbo
< 1548909186 285680 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :j4cbo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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> 1548910124 504790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59640&oldid=59639 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10Fit in the math operation style
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> 1548911657 571648 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EXAMPL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59644 5* 03A 5* (+848) 10Created page with "[[EXAMPL]] stands for EXAMination Programming Language. This is made by [[User:A]], and it is inspired by the mispelled word of [[User:Helen]]'s 12th edit of [[bitch]].  This..."
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< 1548919234 489594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there a language where the maximum amount of stack space used by a procedure is known? ← this is what my PhD thesis is about, specifically designing type systems to capture this concept
< 1548919282 7106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, I should've read that thesis.
< 1548919289 493196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it need to be a type system?
< 1548919368 266281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main reason is so that you can statically verify that everything uses bounded stack space syntactically
< 1548919406 746492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're OK with having it as a static analysis, you don't need the type system (but have to allow for potential verdicts of "this isn't finitely-bounded-stack any more" as a result of changing unrelated code)
< 1548919473 69581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 2h 50m 25s ago: http://www.talchas.net/tape.c ← I'm suspicious about that not working on x86_64, it should be possible to write a portable version using continuation passing style; if you don't have an infinitely growing stack then you can clearly only do it using parts of the stack above the stack pointer, in which case you don't need the varargs
< 1548919615 405693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the goal of the project which lead to my thesis was to create a compiler where a) everything was statically allocated and b) you could implement a linker without having to recompile everything (i.e. object files can be treated as black boxes)
< 1548919661 389988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also with higher-order functions and concurrency because otherwise it's too easy
< 1548919707 458241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the intended end goal was compilation to hardware, with "object files" being potentially representable as physical objects that you connect together with wires)
< 1548919724 873730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, what I mostly discovered was negative results
< 1548919787 314332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I guess you need to tag function pointers with the maximum possible stack size and so on.
< 1548919812 754208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the assumption is that everything is allocated statically, thus all functions have a maximum possible stack size of 0
< 1548919820 396886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by everything we mean /everything/, even return addresses
< 1548919836 792648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's why you're worried about concurrency.
< 1548919853 918919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in practice, on a CPU, you could use the stack and it would likely be more memory-efficient, because you'd only be storing the locals of the functions that were actually running
< 1548919855 982625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems more extreme than what I was thinking of.
< 1548919868 390221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I think you're thinking of something less extreme than what I was working on
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< 1548919906 146244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this reminds me of the thing I was thinking of with implementing cheap userspace "threads" to use two stacks.
< 1548919915 507433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether anyone has implemented that.
< 1548919967 354900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't lightweight cooperative threads /usually/ have a different stack for each thread and no other non-shared state?
< 1548920001 258561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are even functions like getcontext() and setcontext() in standard libraries for making implementing this easy
< 1548920023 605897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes (though you don't want to user POSIX ucontext because it isn't very lightweight, it does a system call).
< 1548920068 575553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all down to how threads and signals interact
< 1548920087 452961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is, you keep switching stacks and you keep taking cache misses on the whole new stack
< 1548920095 55099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have the system call, you have to deal with signal handlers potentially running on an entirely random thread
< 1548920099 612457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even parts of it that don't need to be saved across context switches, like regular function calls.
< 1548920126 216031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in turn means that you can't temporarily disable signals to do a pselect or something
< 1548920137 655011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although pselect doesn't play nicely with cooperative multithreading anyway)
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< 1548920190 437189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting kind of annoyed of this A's edits
< 1548920197 605509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is everyone else
< 1548920218 175509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...
< 1548920275 424660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could do with a rule like "incomplete computational class proofs should not be more than a paragraph long"
< 1548920288 585510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe two paragraphs
< 1548920298 162674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm thinking about my own experience with incomplete computational class proofs)
< 1548920316 96324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that User:A seems to be overly optimistic about what makes languages TC
< 1548920345 854728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the overly chatty style is also a problem, though, people shouldn't really be using the wiki for thinking out loud
< 1548920355 167753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a user talk page message could likely help if we could word it correctly
< 1548920603 723917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway this two-stack things seems pretty reasonable to me
< 1548920611 462509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For cooperative threading
< 1548920639 867391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thread stack only needs the things that need to be stored between context switches
< 1548920855 455250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether anyone's done something like that?
< 1548920884 838630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more extreme version would be to have the thread stack be a static size rather than a stack.
< 1548920894 193114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think LLVM does that maybe.
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< 1548921118 488688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooperative threading is something for which I'm unsure of the use case
< 1548921133 44686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooperative multithreading is useful but you still need a scheduler
< 1548921142 772851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :competitive/multiprocess threading is useful for performance reasons
< 1548921153 999734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and coroutines are useful, but they're rather more constrained thatn cooperative threading
< 1548921263 869618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what I want is a nice way to express efficient concurrency in the nicest way.
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< 1548923126 224186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit
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< 1548925419 293156 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-5d6a9e-141.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
> 1548926006 696641 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 1314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59656&oldid=59246 5* 03A 5* (-17536) 10/* Implementation */
> 1548926080 88155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59657&oldid=59249 5* 03A 5* (-319) 10Redirected page to [[User:A]]
> 1548927341 145091 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59658&oldid=59651 5* 03A 5* (-1019) 10Give up.
> 1548927456 182764 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Difficult14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59659&oldid=59646 5* 03A 5* (-106) 10/* Unfinished list */
< 1548927561 134090 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcehbybvusuxld.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
> 1548927810 64417 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ja14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59660&oldid=56303 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-57) 10/* Computational class */
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< 1548933733 836367 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-htaoknsxqajukwfa JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1548934716 680763 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1548934915 228875 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1548935697 533973 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548935723 519929 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist https://pbfcomics.com/comics/command-respect/
< 1548935724 330128 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist https://pbfcomics.com/comics/command-respect/: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas Cale
< 1548948495 682697 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1154
< 1548948496 393588 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1154: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
< 1548948496 867760 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ding
< 1548949494 269666 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548950695 843138 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@unaffiliated/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548951744 842458 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@66-219-236-168.dynamic.ip.veracitynetworks.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548951761 290223 :TheKing01!~TheKing01@66-219-236-168.dynamic.ip.veracitynetworks.com QUIT :Client Quit
< 1548954515 257817 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
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< 1548954571 312614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc108439-cowc8-2-0-cust785.14-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host
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< 1548963562 420877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548964034 367572 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548965125 642930 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.127.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548965208 437480 :dauie_!~dauie@64.62.224.29 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548965278 310473 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.58.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1548965614 734167 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548965670 771227 :helichopper!~kyle@static-50-53-175-27.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net PART :#esoteric
< 1548966643 650705 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@unaffiliated/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: :q
< 1548968571 274712 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm experiencing software bugs with my phone
< 1548968752 357782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i vaguely recall you had some idea about doing the quine suite challenge in perl. well now there's a bounty offer of 250 rep if someone can beat my score with a non-esolang https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/17353/
< 1548968778 810704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and higher bounties if you can beat the esolang record)
< 1548968931 406849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my score was 1119 bytes because of the verbose lambda part so i wouldn't be surprised if perl can do better
< 1548968951 947038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you can get 3 quines at all)
< 1548969213 663595 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548969337 47143 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let me look
< 1548969475 822552 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 250 rep for a shorter 3 quine. might be doable in perl. good to know of the bounty, thank you.
< 1548969559 278677 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :per shortest total size
< 1548970171 431855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes
< 1548970172 597518 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .
< 1548970276 210761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: IIRC the trick wasn't that jconn would use that parenthesis, it already did, but that you kept jconn in that list even when its hoster no longer ran it <-- i'm pretty sure one of the bots got a parenthesis as prefix because i suggested it. i assume it was jconn because idris-bot was already in other channels.
< 1548970394 811659 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ok
< 1548970404 225956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hurl bin/prefixes
< 1548970404 986288 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/log/tip/bin/prefixes
< 1548970549 145586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm wrong, jconn was in `prefixes first
< 1548970753 467840 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1548970755 736175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it was only a bit more than a year between them. felt longer probably because of all the mess of updating fungot while the parentheses were unbalanced
< 1548970756 9856 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is fnord, and the government that that is what, and what that will mean, and we are all grateful to the selection of the member trustees.
< 1548970820 418217 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think we've been using parenthesis and brackets as the prefix of J evaluator bots, both jeval.rb and NotJack's evaluator (but not buubot) for ages, since before I convinced anyone to bring one to #esoteric
< 1548970844 562989 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 'whose prefix is right'
< 1548970847 191724 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'whose prefix is left'
< 1548970847 784790 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: whose prefix is left
< 1548970852 815344 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 'whose prefix is open'
< 1548970855 934415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 'whose prefix is close'
< 1548970864 222207 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ 'whose prefix is begin'
< 1548970866 894036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :} 'whose prefix is end'
< 1548970874 584219 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'whose prefix is greater'
< 1548970876 542536 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :< 'whose prefix is less'
< 1548970876 661042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error:
< 1548970876 700688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     • Syntax error on 'whose
< 1548970876 700758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :       Perhaps you intended to use TemplateHaskell or TemplateHaskellQuotes
< 1548971319 510406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/logs/2014-03-13.html#lsm is where i suggested it for idris-ircslave, which it was called initially
< 1548971432 410434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used > for a while first, which collided with lambdabot 
< 1548971500 218234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1548971501 908064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 312120Z 10014KT 5000 -SN BKN016 BKN021 01/M01 Q0985 TEMPO 4000 SN BKN014
< 1548971504 196486 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the J evalbots is certainly where I first encountered unmatched brackets as prefix...
< 1548971508 26539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SN!
< 1548971514 919242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that old log has a lot of "unexpected log event :("s, although looking at the surrounding discussion that may be something a troll/spammer did
< 1548971524 228561 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've always wondered if it's inspired by how APLs use ) for various not-code commands
< 1548971549 487326 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which, presumably, is because it can't be the start of a valid line of code)
< 1548971582 477428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What was the link again?
< 1548971584 7098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i assume it was converted from codu's logs, so something may have gone wrong there
< 1548971594 519349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/logs/2014-03-13.html
< 1548971601 266107 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I don't know, I always used ] because J uses it as an identity verb, so most statements are actually still valid and mean the same if you prepend ] except that it undoes the part where the repl doesn't auto-print the value of assignments
< 1548971615 44290 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: but I can't remember if NotJack chose ) for his bot before or after that
< 1548971631 414809 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then somehow four other instances of my bot chose ) as the prefix, and one chose [
< 1548971632 287160 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod*
< 1548971649 361597 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot uses [ because tangentstorm used [ when he ran j-bot
< 1548971677 666326 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly I'm not even sure if NotJack's bot even used a short prefix
< 1548971682 264947 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what it was
< 1548971682 903006 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1548971688 948981 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I might have just made up that part
< 1548971701 198481 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1548971702 712795 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes sense, also now that you mention it I vaguely recall hearing that explanation before (about choosing [ and ] because they're identity)
< 1548971732 421067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://esolangs.org/logs/2014-03-13.html
< 1548971748 851938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The logs are a mixture of codu logs with gaps filled from my personal ones. IIRC, "unexpected log event" is approximately "didn't match any of the regexps". I'll have a look and regenerate from the sources.
< 1548971765 230573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I get home and do some dinner, anyway.
< 1548971853 928493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1548972026 182558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking it raw, it seems to correspond to NAMES :#esoteric
< 1548972029 157585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at
< 1548972055 987134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and happens on the line after each of our op actions
< 1548972344 148524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh and it's prefixed with > instead of <. my guess is that whichever client logged that does a NAMES after mode changes to check what has changed
< 1548972433 382806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the result of it isn't listed
< 1548972914 827126 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1548972915 681229 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​module//A module is like a vector space, except with a ring instead of a field.
< 1548972924 996457 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` wisdom; quote
< 1548972925 407093 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` wisdom; quote
< 1548972925 954859 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​busy beaver growth//No one can compute the length of a wisdom entry sufficient to explain busy beaver growth. \ 1209)  Funge-98 has half the advantages of a nomic
< 1548972926 473143 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​gopher//Gopher is int-e's vision of the successor of HTTP/2. But zzo38 thought of it first. \ 1145)  Despite the various chess variants (even Chess 2), even ordinary FIDE chess is a fine playable game. But so can others be!
< 1548972955 722832 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1548973041 135308 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcehbybvusuxld.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
> 1548973042 551137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eodermdrome14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59661&oldid=59612 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Example programs */ Case
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< 1548974740 711804 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.127.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru NICK :arseniiv
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< 1548975963 290547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mezzacotta comic doesn't seem to be loading at all today
< 1548976221 105245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right. I could probably just ignore those in the formatted views.
< 1548976334 725787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I've left a huge mess in the local version of the repository I have. I was in the middle of migrating the zemhill BF joust stuff over to be part of the esolangs.org facilities, and then got sidetracked by something shiny, and now there's 30-odd files with uncommitted changes.
< 1548976601 423125 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: now you have 30 branches
< 1548976989 282342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mixture of two entirely separate changes. I don't know how I've ended up here. I promise, I'm normally more reasonable when it comes to version control.
< 1548977075 316027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also gpg commit fails with "error: gpg failed to sign the data". I think I set this repository up to sign commits by default so that they get that little "verified" icon in GitHub, and now it's not working for some reason.
< 1548977380 816626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Looks like the reason was a gpg-agent version mismatch.)
< 1548977390 725212 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't worry, version control lets you fix it
< 1548977401 12863 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens to everyone
< 1548977427 786057 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, verified icon in GitHub
< 1548977438 205921 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you also tweeting committs with a green checkmark?
< 1548977572 759926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not gone that far.
< 1548977580 153344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that fungot has a Twitter account? 
< 1548977580 313517 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i would be the first to have a learning and listening secretary of the
< 1548977584 798112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not been active for a long time.
< 1548977682 911541 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1548977687 730816 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a link?
< 1548977720 667448 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, can you tell me the url of your twitter account?
< 1548977721 53340 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but to fulfil the order given concurrently, and a number of, indeed, in the first four private members bill, the parliamentary and government work also leads jihad actions in the struggle to recruit to the full quota of staff.
< 1548977738 748379 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1548977795 998893 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, with what hardness of toothbrush do you wash your teeth in the evening?
< 1548977796 269867 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: has the hon. and learned friend the member for cardiff north ( anna mcmorrin, john mcnally, has announced the creation of
< 1548977810 615988 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? time cube
< 1548977811 792317 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :EARTH HAS 4 CORNER SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY TIME CUBE IN ONLY 24 HOUR ROTATION. 4 CORNER DAYS, CUBES 4 QUAD EARTH. Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies. Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s. God Is Born Of A Mother - She Left Belly B. Signature. Your dirty lying teachers use only the midnight to midnight 1 day (ignoring 3 other days) Time to not foul (already wrong) bible time. Lie that corrupts earth you educated stupid fools.
< 1548977985 270455 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1548978152 694369 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1548978153 461864 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1548978671 778243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( while no one was looking, fizzie made 30 branches. and that's terrible. )
< 1548978813 825701 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( wrong settings